What a great 👍 response. It’s super

Just sold my sx900 and got G2 as well

@@entatainmeentee3620 congratulations.

Brilliant comment mate, im gonna get one now knickers to the price.

Thanks Andy

is not enough to upgrade at all. it is still the same basically

Thanks

Congratulations Hubert

You and me both!!

Yep, we all get that, the theory is simple, but the practice may suit different people differently. It’s a simple firmware change to have it toggle between latch and actual value, then it’s a case of each unto their own.

@@X22GJP now that would be brilliant. I guess they could make it happen in a update.

It's not the point the slider shoud be active all the time like on Genos 2 I just upgrated to G2 and these sliders are so annoying.

I’m so pleased 😀

I don't see how you can assess the quality of sound that a PA5X V Genos 2 produces listening to Leigh play through your speakers at home. I wanted to know how the Tyros 5 compared to my PSR S900Pro, the only way was to go to a store and sit down and play the T5. I have to say I thought the 9000Pro was good...until I played the T5. The leap from T5 to Genos 1 was even better. I played a friends PA4X and didn't like it. I bought the Genos and was delighted with the difference. The G2 is chalk & cheese away from even the G1. I have played gigs since 2013 with the T5 then the G1. Health reasons say I am unable to play gigs anymore, but now just for home use the jump to the G2 will come in the next few weeks. Go to a store, they will be more than helpful IF you are really looking to buy, that's what they are there for.

@@davidperry2306 Thank you for replaying, I agree with your opinion. I like lots of things in Genos line, and I am more into it. however, I still wish for it to improve in two major things. The smooth "seamless" sound transition that the Pa5X have and the guitar strumming mode of the Korg Pa line. Thanks again for stepping by.

pa5x has better organs, electric pianos, and electric guitars, BY FAR! the build quality is as solid as a rock too. the g2 has superior mixing on all rhythyms. the 5x lacks the hold button on the lower registration. pa5x needs to add that

Merry Christmas

I bet you notice a major change from Tyros 4

I think the tyros5 is the same as g2 instrument sounds that is@@LeighWilbraham

The Wersi was sold and when I ordered a new one it never arrived from Wersi. They are a **** company that works like no other. If they think you’re going to highlight issues or show problems they don’t want you owning one. Absolute shower of ***** never thought I’d come across such an unprofessional company.

No they are still in genos 2

I had Pa4x and liked about 60% of it. The issue that Korg has is the way it works. The interface is clumsy and over complicated. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love Korg to up their game and give the genos a run for its money but it simply doesn’t - well not at this moment in time.

And god forbid if you ever have to move with that PA4X. I joke but I always found Yamaha’s bed rather flimsy. Yes, not having a true weighted bed saves a ton of weight and cost but that’s my first pet peeve with Yamaha arrangers. I learned just now about the lack of seamless sound switching issue very much present in Genos 2 which their synthesizers in the Montage family doesn’t have. Oh well!

@@LeighWilbrahamI finally did it (thanks to your reviews) and ordered a Yamaha Genos2. Luckily I was able to find an open box model for $700 less than retail price on a reputable website (fingers crossed it turns out to be legit) so I was able to squeeze in the Genos speakers and the Genos iconic stand. I am looking forward to receiving the bundle in a week! 🎉

Thats great news - congrats @@pinaklonkar

Maybe Yamaha will, in the next update, switch from 'Catch' to the option to either Catch or Jump, and will give the user the option of how they want it done.

Yea, I do get where Leigh and others come from .. it requires a bit to get used to do that extra movement to "catch" the programmed level with the fader first and then adjust the level

@@GaryMCurran Ya that would exactly be a great way .. to let the user choose what function they like best.

Hahahaahha

I’ve done nothing to the upper sounds. Exactly as before.

Ok but can you answer my Questions please?@@LeighWilbraham

Thanks for watching!

Epic strings you can get them Here. soundpacks.myshopify.com/products/epic-strings-for-yamaha-s-series-tyros-and-genos

Many Thanks.@@LeighWilbraham

Hope so.

Can anyone explain to me HOW you can knock the sliders when playing the keys. Unless you have involuntary movement syndrome I don’t see how anyone can throw their hand out and move all of the faders. It’s a fix to a problem that didn’t exist.

I’ve seen and used motorised faders and never 👎 want to see them ever again. Not for me.

Had the same idea about the start/stop and chordloop buttons, but in a few days those mistakes where gone. you'll get used to it.

I agree about the motorized faders -- I'm not sure why Yamaha didn't put them in a machine of this caliber and price. One of my old mixers is a Yamaha with motorized faders and they haven't needed servicing in 25 years. It would solve all the problems with different levels between styles, and the only reason Yamaha has gone for the annoying "slide up and back down to adjust" approach is as a poor man's workaround for NOT having motorized faders.

@@runestone1337 they fail and are noisy and ultimately will stop working. Not a good thing for a portable keyboard. Stick to mixing desks.

@@LeighWilbraham My Mackie control surface uses Japanese ALPS faders. They operate faster than the blink of an eye and are basically silent. That said, I'm sure Yamaha considered all options during the design phase and decided against the idea.

Genos 1 are selling for around £2200 in the UK

As someone who has both I find it hard to play my Genos 1 now as the new voices in 2 make a significant difference. In fact reading your comments I’d recommend you go and play a Genos 2. Watching reviews (even mine) don’t do the instrument full justice. Also not wanting to sound rude it concerns me when people say they can’t hear the difference…. I’m not diminishing your view here but it is a vastly superior instrument - albeit not that it looks it from the design. Listen with your ears.👂

I accept what you are saying, maybe I was a bit clumsy with some remarks. Yes, I can appreciate a difference but it's like saying I can appreciate the differences in voices with the Pa5X - indeed that k/b has arguably better sounds - and the Genos. Let me put it another way. When I have "tuned" my Genos the resulting sounds are mindblowing. At what point does one reach satisfaction? or is it a case of endlessly chasing perfection after perfection? There is a line on the playing field and we know that anything below that line is unacceptable for our enjoyment but anything above it is acceptable so no need to never be satisfied. I call this; "listening with my ears", otherwise I might as well decide never to be satisfied as each iteration is sure to be better., although I suspect what you mean is don't listen to all the negative comments. All I'm saying is that because the Genos 2 is an improvement it doesn't mean the Genos suddenly becomes sub-standard. I feel that for what we get in a Genos 2 it isn't worth the cost. Had it had the SX900 keys that would have been a different matter. @@LeighWilbraham

@@iErasmus47 I think we must agree to completely disagree.

I am not disagreeing with you. I respect that you are someone fully engaged in spending a lot of time playing and examining keyboards. Your ear is far more developed than most of us who get great pleasure from your videos. If I played to the extent you do I'm sure I would be as demanding of my instrument as you are and therefore any upgrade would be a noticeable advancement in quality I'm a casual player so have different expectations. If I was gigging it would be a different matter. Just as a point of personal interest would you prefer the length of keys on a SX900? @@LeighWilbraham

Sorry but no

The ability to turn on and off is better

Why not.

No it won’t.

@@LeighWilbraham then I have to buy one. Was in music store 2 days ago. I am still thinking if the update (2000 bucks) worths the cash.

No no led issues

Hmmm... It came on later. Reason? I didn't catch what you did?

I’ve found that after touch on Yamaha boards (I’ve owned a T4 and have a G1) is very minimal and doesn’t react nearly as well as on Korg boards. I did have a PA800 which had great styles and excellent, expressive after touch but the acoustic pianos always sounded muffled compared to T4 and G1. Yamaha after touch always runs into vibrato if notes are held which is unauthentic to the voice most of the time.

No. You can buy new voices from www.soundpacks.co.uk

You would have to make a lot of changes to the "New" styles as they are made to make use of more and better sound versions .. like the FM of he Genos 2. Not saying it isn't possible, but it will require someone to do each style by hand. You can be sure Yamaha wil rather sell you a Genos 2 than spending time and money in making an export function to make G2 styles compatible with a discontinued G1. That aint ever happening. Join some of the communities that will keep covering the older models .. like PSR Tutorials if your not interested in upgrading. There are a bunch of dedicated users that have used Yamaha keyboards for years and many have great knowledge of how the different models work and some do manual conversions of styles from like all the way back to the P9000 over all the Tyros Line and up to the G2. But backward conversions will always have some kind of Limitations due to sound and functionality changes in newer models.

Which brand do you prefer now? Please don‘t say Korg🤔

​​​​@@fotografie-frankpaetzold Da ich beim Yamaha Genos 2 sehr viele Styles neu abmischen musste, hab ich verstanden, dass ich dass selbe noch besser auf dem Korg Pa5x machen kann. Der Pa5x ist für Leute wie mich, aber nicht jeder wird mit diesem professionellen Arranger umgehen können. Viele wollen anmachen und spielen, dann ist das Yamaha Genos 2 aufgrund seiner leichten Bedienung und dem helleren Klang besser geeingnet. Weniger ist dann in diesen Sinne mehr! Da viele Leute Melodien im klassischen Sinne nicht richtig Phrasieren können, ist da auch die Klaviatur egal. Ich benötige aber eine gewichtete Klaviatur, die Smooth Sound Transition und vieles mehr, was nur der Korg Pa5x kann. Ich könnte aber ähnliche Ergebnisse auf dem Yamaha Genos 2 erzielen, müsste aber zusätzliche Sounds in den Samplespeicher Laden. Einen druckvollen Klang wie beim Korg Pa5x würde ich im Großen und Ganzen nicht hinkriegen. Wenn Sie also Rentner sind und schöne Zeit am Keyboard verbringen möchten ohne viel zu tun und dabei sich vom wunderschönen Sound, der das Herz höher schlagen lässt berieseln lassen wollen, dann kaufen Sie sich auf jeden Fall das Genos 2 und vernünftige Boxen (mindesten Yamaha HS8), die auch den Höhen der Instrumente, dem Bass der neuen akustischen Drums und dem neuen Reverb gerecht werden. PS: Der korg Pa5x klingt dem Genos 2 ebenbürtig, ohne dass man da was nachbessern müsste. Es hängt davon ab, wo und wie man die Arranger-Keyboards einsetzt. Welche Stilrichtungen man besonders damit spielen will. Der Korg Pa5x kann traditionelle Musik sehr gut, auch Oldies, RocknRoll, Schlager, Klassik, Jazz, es hat so einen Vintage Charakter. Yamaha dagegen kann EDM, Film Musik, aber auch mittlerweile traditionelle Musik sehr authentisch. Es hat mehr Mainstream Sachen drin, einen helleren und daher moderner wirkenden Sound. Es gibt eigentlich nichts, was das Yamaha nicht kann. Aber es ist in den Einstellungen und in der Verabeitung limitierter als das Korg Pa5x. Das muss man ehrlich sagen. Am Korg Pa5x kann ich die Sounds auch so ähnlich hell hinkriegen. Ja ich könnte sogar Sounds vom Yamaha Genos 2 absamplen und im Korg Pa5x nutzen. Daher ist alles relativ. Für meine Bedürfnisse ist das Genos 2 zurzeit nicht geeignet. Das heißt nicht, dass andere Spieler damit nicht glücklich werden. Das Gegenteil wird wohl der Fall sein. Das Ketron Event lasse ich aus dem Spiel, da es kein rein Midi-Basiertes Arranger-Keyboard ist. Es ist eine Welt für sich und müsste eventuell zusätzlich dazu gekauft werden. Es ist schwierig für mich dort die Audiospuren exakt abzumischen, da man einzelne Parameter nicht beeinflussen kann. Ist logisch.

@@hensongustav9381 Danke für die ausführliche Erklärung. Ja, man kann beim Korg definitiv viel mehr in die Tiefe gehen. Eine 88er gewichtete Tastatur ist für einen Pianisten sicher auch von Vorteil. Ich bin durchaus kein Anfänger am Keyboard und habe kürzlich meine Genos 1 verkauft. Nun spiele ich mit dem Gedanken, wieder ein Keyboard anzuschaffen. Deshalb habe ich alle aktuellen Workstations verglichen. Allerdings nicht mit HS8, sondern mit professionellen Neumann-Monitoren. Du magst recht haben, dass man aus dem PA5X mehr rausholen kann. Dazu ist aber viel Aufwand nötig, wie du richtig sagst. Die Werksounds klingen für meinen Geschmack allerdings wenig druckvoll - dezent ausgedrückt. Den Sound eines Ketron Event wird man am Korg definitiv auch mit viel Bearbeitung nicht erzielen können. Knackpunkt beim Ketron ist leider die Software. Nunja, ist ohnehin viel Geschmacksache. War ja nur neugierig, weil du erwähntest, dass du dich für eine andere Marke entschieden hast, ohne sie zu nennen. Wollte auch nicht wirklich eine Fachdiskussion beginnen. Viel Spaß weiterhin😉

@@hensongustav9381 zum Ketron muss ich dir recht geben. Ebenso, was du zu den verschiedenen Einsatzzwecken sagst. Da ich es absolut nicht eilig habe , werde ich mir noch ein bisschen Zeit lassen. Korg fällt allerdings für mich schon raus. Für mich klingen die Werksounds einfach nicht gut - eben, mein Geschmack.

@@fotografie-frankpaetzold Die Werksounds sollen auch das Ohr nicht ermüden, nach längerem Spielen. Das ist für mich wichtig, aber trotzdem genug Klangsubstanz haben, um daran zu arbeiten. Ich hatte das Audya und habe mir alle Drumspuren aus dem Audya gesamplet. Die kann ich beim Korg in Player 2 synchron abspielen. Und voila, schon hat man einen Ketron Event 🙂 Bei mir lief das Audya relativ stabil. Für Heimanwender überhaupt kein problem. Ketron spielt in einer anderen Liga, ich will sogar, dass mein Instrument noch irgendwie nach Keyboard klingt, aber auch schon einer Band ziemlich nah kommt. Trotzdem Keyboard ist Keyboard, soll es auch bleiben.

One MAJOR factor between 5X and Genos2 is - interface. Try adding more reverb whilst playing or changing Eq whilst playing - car crash. The interface is all over the place. Tiny drop down menus - a Keybed that has razor sharp edges to the keys - the list goes on and on. Genos is a musicians instrument A 5x is a programmers wet dream. Very different instruments. Try loading samples into a 5x - try making a style on 5x… as I said the list goes on and on. No audio multipad, only 4 registrations per song entry.

@@LeighWilbraham you are right on. if you want to deep dive into the unit pa5x becomes very tedious. I bought the genos 6 years ago and then returned it, it wasn't what I was expecting at all. I am keeping the G2 and the pa5x88, both units need improving. they need more input from musicians rather than a college graduate

I don't think the designer of the Korg was ever a musician. If he was he would be bald with tearing his hair out each time he turned it on. @@Steven-zg5bq

After waiting 6 years for this. No.

Cause that would create too many after sales support nightmares.

Interesting point of view.

@@LeighWilbraham Thanks Leigh and for your great videos! I'm not saying the G2 is a waste of money but there are some key things people were hoping for that were neglected. It's a perfect fit for Yamaha's target market though. Thanks...

Im intrigued what were people hoping for? @@acreguy3156

@@LeighWilbraham Hi Leigh, Seamless sound switching was big on the list. Other companies have had it for years. Why not Yamaha? Other wish list items include better DAW integration, more new styles and less re-purposed styles from the PSR days, a simpler Style Creator, more robust buttons that are less prone to breaking at the hinge point, a tiltable screen, a drum part dedicated mixer, and a better finish on the case. These are but a few wish list items.

@@acreguy3156 I wish for none of those things - I have more forward thinking ideas 💡 but each person has their own want list. No point wishing for things of the past.

I wouldn’t buy the small speakers but instead get a pair of Yamaha HS8

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you can get the G2 for 4000 us dollar not 7000 and what did your car cost? or what do you pay for your children ? the price can not be the problem