Are we the first and only podcast making episodes fully IN VISION PRO!? 😱

Sam’s persona is so much better 😂😂 0:00 - Sam’s hurting eyes 0:40 - Welcome Quinn 1:15 - Frozen Quinn 2:06 - Sam’s new skin 5:10 - Vision Pro straps 23:40 - Light seal 26:00 - Quest pro vs quest 3 vs Vision Pro 30:30 - Quinn’s experiment 34:30 - Sponsor - LinkedIn 36:14 - pixel peeping & displays 43:30 - no media Sam 47:25 - Gaming on Vision Pro 56:40 - Sponsor - TrustandWill 58:25 - VisionOS polishness continued 1:06:30 - Vision Pro on the Plane 1:13:00 - Control Center 1:17:40 - Hand tracking 1:24:20 - Vision Pro apps 1:26:05 - Quick Look 1:31:00 - Improvements for VisionOS 1:33:00 - Sponsor - DeleteMe 1:35:28 - Why not much AR 1:46:00 - VisionOS wishlist 1:53:00 - lowering AVP uses 1:57:10 - Where does Vision Pro sit? 2:00:37 - Folding iPhone 2:02:48 - Does Vision Pro win? 2:03:45 - Wrapping up

I love that Jon just stood in his hallway for 2 hours

Quinn’s persona should pursue ventriloquism 😂

Jon thinking the audio last week was terrible and Sam thinking it was fine (like 99% of the audience) was the most Genius Bar moment. Perfectly tracks with established GB lore 😂

Stop making me go to sleep at 2 AM, goddamn it.

Another banger of an episode! There’s so much interesting info about the intricacies of the Vision Pro being conveyed/discussed that it keeps you 100% engaged.

need this morale booster after watching kermit get his 3rd 😔

This is one of the most enjoyable video ... I can't believe I actually watched / listened to the whole 2 hrs. And guess what, I have an old iPhone 6 that I power up ocassionally just to charge it, a Macbook Air that I also power up once in a while just to charge it, and no AVP. I love how all you guys have differing views about the AVP and actually share what you like ... and what you really don't like about it in your real life usage, which I can sort of resonate with, as a Pico 4 VR headset user even if they are quite different in market/price range. Love this video! :)

just wanted to give a PSA to fellow AVP users. buy a bobvr strap and attach it it to the solo strap using a 3D printed adapter and remove the light seal. I can use for hours now and the fov doubled. I was about to return it because I couldn’t last more than 20 min before getting uncomfortable

I bought a $20 Spigen quest pro top strap. I took the plastic clips that would normally clip to the band of the quest pro and got small Velcro loops . To attach it to the Apple vision pros arms right in the center of the speaker. And it works so well with the knitted band

Protect Quinn at all cost, he is Genius

Great discussion! Love your comments regarding path through on Quest & Vision Pro

I'm all for later podcasts theough VisionPro. Ive actually listened to the podcast while traveling then rewatched for thw video.

I really love the cooling in the AVP. Every other headset gets uncomfortable hot within 30 minutes, even if I'm not moving around.

I am liking the apple vision pro FaceTime podcast and learning something new about its capabilities in each podcast 😀 IMO I just don’t see the iPhone going away if it’s the Apple vision pro or other devices go over your eyes. It’s like saying eyeglasses went away once contacts and eye vision correction surgery was available. Cell phones were widely and relatively quickly adopted because it replaced home phones that you could take with you (and replaced beepers). I feel the best case of AR/VR goggles would replace TVs. Families in the future could probably have one main tv and then everyone individually has an Apple vision pro or air.

Currently using my AVP using a converted BoboVR M2. Night and day difference. I could wear it all day. 3rd party straps will make this device great.

@Jern I just opened a TED talk while listening to Genius Bar and I could’ve sworn you were giving the talk! The talk was called Why people believe weird things by Michael Shermer. I swear he sounds and speaks exactly like you, just maybe like 20 years older

Love the podcasts in vision pro.

You guys NEVER disappoint! Keep it going!

Another great episode. Loved the banter and the open expressing of all the "As if!!"'s to each other...propper gaming-esque friendly trash talk type vibes. good times. I enjoy these Vision Pro FT call episodes. I think you should go back and forth for those who hate it. I love them as it gives us time to be in the VisionOS and watch the way communicating is working ATM and how awesome those personas are the more we see them The eyes are such an important part of communicating in person and with a good scan they got that nailed really good, the rest of it will come in time! But like i said in the last episode, integration with our other devices will be huge, and with more swift and quick gestures like waving inwards while looking at an Apple Watch will bring up the set of Watch assigned widgest into view, and waving-out closes them all. Or quick specific eye gestures to bring it up so you dont even need to move your hand, like a quick back and forth and back again motion with ones eyes at two dots on the watch brings up the widgets etc....so many possibilities!

For me, AR is combining the real world with computer generated visuals. "The real world" as in "seen with your own eyes", not through a camera. So when you turn it off, you can still see.

1:14:45 What if you could map different finger taps (like middle finger/thumb or ring finger/thumb) to control different things in Vision Pro?! Like 5 built-in re-mappable action buttons!

As a developer who has heavily invested in a home office setup, I highly recommend the Apple Vision Pro. Before acquiring the Apple Vision Pro, my setup included a 55" Odyssey Ark for coding (previously, I used two 45" Ultra Wide Monitors), a standing desk, a theater chair, and a 65" OLED Sony for entertainment. I must say, I absolutely love using the Apple Vision Pro! The visuals are clear and crisp. Nothing compares to watching the movie "Dune" while immersed in the White Sands environment on a giant screen (I'm talking 12-18ft wide!), coding on a 120" screen, and lounging in a theater chair. It's truly an experience like no other. Another great perk is the portability it offers. I've been able to take work outside and be productive in my backyard, enjoying fresh air and a change of scenery, all while setting up activities for my kids. The ability to work comfortably outdoors has been a game-changer. If price isn't a concern, I strongly recommend getting the Apple Vision Pro. It's an investment that enhances not just work, but overall lifestyle.

So about the light seal issue, when I did the demo at apple, the light seal that the face scan recommended was awful, after I told them they gave me a form to fill out which resulted in a totally different fit, that fit felt really good. So to all of those who are looking to buy I would suggest to go try the seals in person and find on that feels the best for you.

Finally... Snazzy says what I've been assuming but no one else has said. I knew there was just no way you can have a "4K virtual Mac monitor" inside screens that themselves are only 4K. It never made sense, but no one else has said the virtual screen thing wasn't as good as looking at a real monitor.

“They shrinked your eyes?” 😂

you can use Siri to turn on travel mode even if UI is flying away haha

Just purchased that bobovr adapter for Vision Pro off Etsy.

I think it’s because when people do video recording with the pastor, it just looks so well, but they don’t realize it doesn’t look like that in the headset. We all learned this from quest three came out, and we were all kind of disappointed that I didn’t look as good as all the videos.

TOSS SNACK IN MOUTH W/ Apple Vision Pro On! 🧡💙

You can buy a second solo knit band and use a 3D printed part to connect them and use it as a headstrap and you can use the dail to tighten it

Jon can't see the pixels because he's using the thick cushion, so his eyes are further from the pixels, the other two are using the thin cushion, so they can see the pixels because their eyes are closer.

Imagine waking up to this podcast 🥰

I can see my keyboard that's sitting right in front of me right now on my quest 3, no problem. I can read the text on all my paperwork. Not perfect yet. Quest is always updating.

Try doing the index finger disappearing illusion. Touch the tips of both index fingers right in front of your face, and it looks like the tips are cut off and replaced with the opposite hand. Does that still work with vision pro? My guess is probably not.

I love you guys but this episode is giving like y’all the type to send back your Ben n Jerry’s because it’s not Häagen-Dazs kinda vibe 😂😂

Jon looks like he’s about to turn into hulk from the neck down 😂

Mass market headsets are so tricky since everyone's head shape is different. I have a pretty rectangular head, so the dual loop works really well for me. But I can imagine if your head is a bit rounder then it would just be sliding, like Quinn said. There really needs to be a lot of options for it to work. Hopefully someone will make a halo strap soon.

AR glasses-Thats what we need!

I'm not sure what brings on the Quest 3 hate from Sam. I just bought a Quest 3 a few days ago and I'm in love with it. Granted, I'm sure there are aspects of the AVP that would be much better quality, obviously. But as they mentioned in this podcast, there are not enough things available yet, for me at least, to merit spending the ~4K on AVP when it's basically doing the same things as the Quest 3 ... and, in fact, gaming on the Quest 3 is WAY better than AVP currently. I absolutely look forward to owning an AVP SOMEday ... since I'm totally a fan of the ecosystem. But I am not at ALL disappointed with my Quest 3. I had a ton of homework for college last night so I didn't go to an actual Super Bowl party ... but instead, I went into Bigscreen and joined like 14 other people in a room to watch the Super Bowl on this MASSIVE screen, and I was also able to open up a remote desktop window inside this room and do my homework while watching the game and interacting with the other people. It was incredible. And today I'm working in an environment with 4 different monitors on the side of a mountain to do my job, since i work from home. I'm loving this thing ...

Oh my God he has the palm tree on his desk. That was my favorite phone people don’t realize that phone was so good. It created the card views that we have today. Were you throw your apps away and did it like 10 years before anybody else. I always heard that the original developer of the software from iPhone created that

I’m scheduled for a demo on Wednesday!

Man, I love Quinn so much. Wish we could also have a Vision Pro episode with Sarah or Dave2D…

56:25 in regards to the Vision Pro not having any controllers. I’m reminded when the iPhone first came out and how Apple refused follow the Android trend of having a touchscreen but also including a keyboard. Eventually Android phones ditched the keyboard in favor of embracing a full touchscreen experience. I feel like the same will be true here. Sure right now it may seem limited but as the technology improves, hand gestures will become the standard.

Another idea for making the AVP lighter. Use a fishing rod and reel and just reel it in a little. Genius! 😎

There are so many shills and apple apologists , just giving apple a pass, no matter how disappointing, this headset is. too many excuses and not enough accountability. with the exception of genius bar and few others. I really appreciate the honesty, in this episode.

One other thing that's interesting about the passthrough is that if the OS crashes and reboots, the passthrough will keep working. So there's a firmware-based redundancy there.

I’ll be looking for the iPad mini in 2024. Hopefully they can improve the camera also

It’s funny that the eye tracking works so well you can see them reading the add word by word 😮

So there was no limited edition vision pro launch day special shopping bags that were rumored?

Interesting, honestly I didn't notice the audio was any different from last week, and even after you mentioned it, I still don't feel much difference.

If I had one, I’d wanna do some Frankensteining and merge the top strap of the dual loop and the solo.

Only thing missing from these AVP pods is the outro. Gotta get on that gents

Why is Jon standing in the middle of a hallway the whole pod? It makes me anxious!

Yea all future episodes should be in VisionOS imo!!

we need a newer version of google glass not an enclosed vr headset for mass adoption

Vision Pro (and the Quest etc.) should implement Swype style instead of the painfully slow eye-tracking typing or the virtual finger touch typing. Accuracy in the virtual space would be much easier and you'd be able to type MUCH faster. It's so obvious that I assume that it's not implemented for licensing / legal reasons, not because it can't be done.

I would love to see a solo loop with an extra upper head support, like mixing both straps confort and support

Vision OS is like sting in front of iOS or Mac OS. It’s nice, but the apps make it what you love with an os that makes it all easy to use. The vision experiences are what’s going to make this, not the OS.

I’m so sorry it’s so confusing for me how you can use this 😮😢❤😊I would be so lost trying to use this or trying to use it 😢

You guys are lucky. I had to cancel my order coz I won't be able to use it outside the US. Needs a US based apple account :(

It's funny, I'm usually very attracted to new technology, but this headset? Nope. I've known VR since the launch of the Oculus Rift, I was blown away, but it just has fundermental issues -> It's just not a device you want to wear for long. It feels so isolating and after taking the device off every single time (no matter how good the experience was) came the feeling of "yeah, finally back". I have these fundamental problems less or not at all with a classic TV.

Sam's new Persona looks like Isaac from Canoopsy. 😂

Let’s go!!! My 49ers lost by the way 😢

Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!! 👑🇯🇲🔥💥🌟⭐💯💎

Anytime Quinn is on a show I’ll be watching multiple times

At the end of the day this vision pro will be seeing so many Naked people at their homes 😂😂

spotlight has keyboard command-space too

so are you allowed to close your eyes during take off?

I doubt Vision Pro will ever go the glasses route. I think they will keep the fully immersive aspect with light sealing headsets that just get smaller and more form fitting over time. Edit: control centre should be a quick access window like what some quest apps do with a control panel/wheel that pops up when you look at your palm. Edit 2: Pinch as a hand gesture is very restrictive thinking in the future. Full palm/finger tracking in the future would be great, as it would allow us to realistically pick up objects and manipulate them in other ways. One day hopefully windows will be fully physicalized and we can throw em around like frisbees haha Edit 3: wow Snazzy mentioned everything I said in end lol. Still physical independent UI elements would still be insane (imagine we could pull an app out of the app drawer and place it somewhere like a fully physical shortcut button).

Alright, someone needs to pay Shamir Jackson…

25:58 💯 quest pro looks it from a physical hardware perspective but the technology wasn’t good enough yet

the workaround for all of the OS issues is Siri

Out on Sunday

So in other words this 1st gen Apple Vision Pro is a public beta (cash to blow) & developer device to further the tech & apps for future generations of the hardware as it gets smaller lighter more useful & cheaper for true mass market adoption, waiting to see where this tech combined with ai goes in next few years, 👍👍 on video podcast (Quinn honest knowledgeable & great guest for y’all)

1:00:42 THANK YOU

hmmm when u walk around the facetime window it's not showing the head from different angles ....it's showing it in the recording as 2d window...or did I imagine that ......oh Quinn mentioned it...it's because he is using a beta

most of us prolly just listening away, esp due to length. go ahead and do as much in Vision OS as you want. i barely check the video, it;s audio while I work for me, and I am sure many others

41:30 this blurry light leaking is called God Rays and it happens with every VR headset, and always will as long as we are using physical lenses.

@snazzy is maybe my favorite guest. Dude is pretty cool.

on a flight I once played on my phone ....The Boys season 2 ep 1 xD ....I made it super small and not visible to other people for that 1st scene xD

1:04 I don't know how Vision OS would translate to an actual clear glasses form factor. The sheer amount of compute and computer vision and sensors that are required to make Vision OS work the way it does. Tracking your hands and eyes, optimising windows to fit in with your environment, making all those cool drop shadows and the tracking, are maybe only possible in a form factor that can have all the sensors you need to do that. There just maybe isn't the room on a pair of glasses to fit 9 cameras and 6 microphones and the eye tracking even if say you moved the compute to the battery puck. At least not currently. However maybe when you were doing a facetime you could have a camera on the puck and set it on the desk in front of you. Or just use your phone's camera.

Make it where you can move around without having to worry about it cutting you off somehow like the other headsets maybe 😊❤love the podcast too ❤😊

Regarding the strap, Apple should just make it into a motorcycle helmet.

No, I’ve had the same problem with eating snacks and eating cereal and I grabbed a spoon. He thinks I’m pinching sometimes.

Encanto 3D and Mad Max Fury Road 3D were incredible

if this thing can run ryujinx switch emulator which has a macos version then it will be fantastic for playing switch games.

This episode thankfully answered a question I've wanted answered about focal length. Based on comments in this episode I believe Apple messed up with focal length. If Apple haven't used an infinite focal length and instead opted for a short focal length like most VR headsets this is a massive mistake. The comments about eye strain indicate to me that Apple made the wrong choice. Not only will an infinite focal length never cause eye strain but it will also improve the vision for any person who has an eye sight problem related to eye strain which is most people with eye sight issues. And here's a real life example. Diabetes causes sight problems, diabetes is common on Pitcairn island but people on Pitcairn island typically have superior eye sight because they spend most days looking out to sea for passing ships. If you spend most of your time indoors and looking at close up objects you are much more likely to develop sight problems and need glasses but if you spend most of your time outside looking to objects in the distance your eyes are always relaxed and your vision at every distance improves. There have been papers written discussing focal length in VR and it's a contentious subject but it's this fundamental truth that is being missed by most. VR has the ability to help improve vision and instead a common design choice is causing vision impairment. And that idea of VR having the ability to improve or hurt eye sight is not debatable, there are specific VR devices that have been designed to improve vision and they work. Of course the providers of those will argue their design or apps are the key but based on my experience it's actually focal length, the original PSVR despite having pretty terrible visual quality improved my eye sight to the point where I no longer needed my glasses when I used it every day. When I switched from it to better looking VR headset my eye sight rapidly degraded.

“Apple announces new Infinity Loop to help with head support!”

BigScreen Beyond strap looks nearly identical to the original Oculus Rift CV1 strap!

I’m with Jon, I feel more connected and less isolated

I’m just a little salty because you promised a podcast in the Meta Quest 3 months ago and that never happened but you do your podcast in Vision Pro, not once, but twice.

Jon the Vpro basically has guardian .....it's just like Q3 stationary guardian and it's just not a visible circle on the floor ....when u step in some direction while immersed u r out of the circle

a clicker ring will solve the missclicking ...hololens 1 had a clicker tiny remote but it didn't have good hand tracking....while hololens 2 did

The schpeel at 1:40:00 is inaccurate. Varifocal lenses won't do anything except make the whole areas of the screen, if not the whole screen, in or out of focus. To move the technology forward, the device would have to know whether you're wanting to look in the foreground or background by sensing what your iris wants to focus on, by actually measuring the shape of your eye's biological lens, and maybe the size of the ciliary muscle. (Think those machines at the doctors that you look into and it can tell your prescription.). THEN, it would have to use this info, in real time no less, to somehow modulate a special laminated screen+lens that has the ability to make the light simultaneously converge or diverge for each pixel, or group of pixels, BASED on what is "supposed" to be blurry to your eye at any given moment, and what is "supposed" to be sharp, for example, holding up your fingers spaced apart and looking at mountains through them, seeing blurry finger, sharp background, blurry finger, sharp background. The problem is nearly unsolvable, especially if you're wanting less than 700g on your face. The part about making your eyes point in or out is already solved, though, as basic 3D techniques. Actually, now that I think about it, you could probably solve the image generation part above to trick your eye's level of satisfaction of "this thing should be in focus, but it's not" and vice versa, by just making objects blurry in software. However, there's probably some lower-level neurons that would still be unsatisfied that certain rods and cones were or weren't 'lit up' as expected with light rays that are physically hitting different parts of the eye because they are out of focus. Once the brain turns it into an image, however, I suspect that technique would at least lessen some base mental strain.

I think more VR immersion gaming will come eventually

Keep doing podcast in vision pro! 2:03:53

Does Jon's Persona wear a Batman suit? 😂

What if Apple made it slightly uncomfortable to force the user to take breaks?