Can you buzz them with a shockwave.

Pretty silly that the British didn’t think to use their f-35s in the actual Battle of Britain

I could imagine the confusion of the Luftwaffe when their planes just started exploding for no apparent reason.

115 bombers......my, how things changed a couple of years down the road. Later in the war there was a half-joke going around among Germans that went "If you see silver planes in the sky, they're American. If you see green planes in the sky, they're British. And if you see no planes in the sky, they're German" Great video and scenario. Thanks.

I would be very interested in a Battle of Britain simulation but with RAF 1950s fighters, in other words, the aircraft which were developed from lessons learnt during WWII. How would RAF of the 1950s do against the Lufwaffe of the 1940s. Sounds interesting?

The F-15EX would seem to be the better aircraft for this scenario. It can carry up to 20 AAMRAMS. This would allow more targets to be engaged at once, and you could hopefully avoid getting close enough to where the Germans could engage you.

Some of them were destined to get through. The good news is that Hermann Göring still has to explain why he thought it was a good idea to waste all those bombers on a target that could be repaired in less than a day.

Tactical failure, but a strategic success. During WWII, the maximum loss rate per mission for bombers was 5%. And that was the absolute maximum. Anything above that would force the suspension of your bombing campaign. Also, that airfield would probably be operational again in a day or two.

Realistically you've made several German squadrons combat ineffective and caused a significant amount of casualties. The damage to Manston isn't that bad. Craters can be filled, the grass runway section is untouched and almost all the buildings intact. That base is still operational and most damage can be patched up within 24 hours, if that long. If it wasn't for the loss of the F-35's (and lets be honest, real pilots in proper F-35's (not the mod F-15 avionics) would have been far more effective) this would have been a great success. These kind of losses in a single day would have been a punch in the gut for the Luftwaffe and set back the German operational tempo by a lot.

2 key points to consider, 1 imagine being a survivor going back saying they flew near us and loads of planes blew up near them. That would be devistation to morale and mean they might not strike again. 2. Also seeing a plane with no conventional prop engines and flames coming out the rear passing by at 500knots or past the speed of sound would be a massive WTF moment in the ealy 1940's... Try flying high above the fighters and down from behind the closure speed would be lower

F35 is such a weird choice. No point to go for a stealth plane against an enemy with barely functional radar to begin. At this point using a more modern plane is actually downgrading it for the role at hand. It's specifically made to be effective against modern high value targets rather than masses of low tech.

This could be more workable if the F-35's were able to RTB and reload after volleying off their first payload. They could also use their superior speed to attack the bomber stream from above and to the sides. In order to avoid friendly-fire incidents, a caracole-style attack could be conducted. As they circle, only the leading F-35 fires so there's never any chance of a missile locking onto a friendly.

I wonder how they would cope in real life if you did a close flyby at maximum speed - would the shock waves coming off the F35s be strong enough to severly damage or crash the Ju88s.

I think it would have been interesting to use A-10 warthogs

Capt. They are inside each other. Missed opportunities on a good or very bad joke towards the British navy. Love these alternate history, modern vs WWII period warbirds episodes.

I do hope to see DCS have 1950s and 1960s Interceptors at some point, it'd be really interesting to see a coordinated intercept with a bunch of F-102's, even something like F-89s and F-93s with a ton of aerial rockets. I also wonder how well a squadron of F-15s or F-14s would do in this situation

3:38 - ‘fighters going after the same target” isn’t a problem with the F35 because of sensor fusion and teaming. All of those missiles are BVR ordinance, so should be launched immediately upon take off. Frankly a single AWD with evolved sea sparrows (say an evolved Airleigh Burke Destroyer with an 80 VLS tube Mk41 Aegis guided quad packed missile system) would do the job in one missile volley (with a second volley to mop up).

Love this idea, way fun! Here's one for you, and in the realm of reality- what if the soviets had been prepared on June 22, 1941? In other words, could you simulate the massive Luftwaffe preemptive strike that day except have the soviets armed and ready with all ground and air assets involved? Would it be worth it even? Wouldn't the germans just be destroyed? Anyway, great content mates!

Those F35s could destroy the entire Luftwaffe on the ground, flying over Germany with impunity.

great video again missed this channel. let the binge begin. ill share as much as possible on social media

This would have worked, but it lacked Kortana :-)!

10:39 "why cant i find any baddies on my radar?" i felt that..

I can picture Goering getting upset when he's asked for a squadron of F35's.

Same battle but Kuznetsov with SU-33s armed with R-27ETs. Could also try USN with hornets, they can carry a lot of missiles and more gun ammo. Finally for fun, frogfoots with full gunpod load out 😁

I have to say that one of the things that is never modeled, I don't know how it could be, is moral. If you think the Germans would not be affected by these superweapons slaughtering them you are wrong.

Ok so I’ve been thinking about this a lot and what I think we could do to put the ball in your favor more is to add 2 fleets in the channel. One close to the west so they can engage targets as they cross. The other fleet should be within striking distance to the east. Both fleets should be Royal Navy to stay within that facet. So with the additional fleets you will stay within the original parameters aircraft wise. The Eastern fleet can be used to launch player assets. In this case also increase the number of player assets to 10-15 with 2 respawns only. The Western fleet has one full deck of AI and no internal aircraft. Then spawn the rest of the F-35B’s in their original location.

(5:58) That star transition is pretty snazzy. I don't remember this Mario 64 level though. (12:00) The cockpit voice is very polite and family friendly. Love these "Final Countdown" type vids! The biggest problem always seems to be the AI in DCS, they really need to do some overhauls. Even when you set behavior limits, the AI seems to just ignore it anyway, or kill themselves on take off lol.

Foregone conclusion to the end result, but super fun to see! Thanks GR. :)

1) Forget a carrier. Use an airfield. 2) Ripple fire immediately and turn around for reloading. Do this like a merry go round. It's all about volume of fire. No time for nonsense.

I feel like the jets would zoom in so fast that WW2 era gunners wouldn't even know what's happening or what they was fighting lol

Great to watch! make a similar video but with the luftwaffe tornados stopping de allied bombers!

Fantastic video! I love watching these hypothetical videos. You could try this one again except with all human pilots in the F-35s.

Recreating the battle that would have occurred in the movie The Final Countdown would be cool

I love time travel lol Cool vid concept watching now👍

Can't the F-35B fire it's missiles like 30km away? So you could take out about 80 planes even before they know what hit them. And then you could drop on them from like 30000 feet. And they wouldn't even know what hit them.

This was brilliant. It would be good to give this another go with a few more actual beautiful hyoomans in jets. How about the ability to return to the QE to rearm?

As a valued member of the community. I say this looks fun. Good thinking like a ture production manager.

I wonder what would have had the greater effect on German morale: Absolutely none of their aircraft returning, or too many survivors coming back with the same story of unbeatable British superplanes.

The GAU-12 on the F35 has a magazine capacity of about 180, compared to the 400 or so 20mm rounds an F22 can carry.

I think the key takeaway is NOT that one squadron of F35's can take down 50% of the German Strike package... BUT RATHER that several untrained computer jockeys achieved a 50% kill ratio. If fully trained F35 pilots were to take on the same task the results would have been significantly different. Likely 100%.

I love these. It’s like a tv show final countdown

Pretty cool how you guys used the ramp to take off.

I asked a guy I knew who was a Ministry of Defense stratergist, how long the might of the Vermacht would last against our non-nuclear missiles of all types and one squadron of Tornados and he reckoned they'd be on their knees within an hour, half a day at most as we'd cripple communications, electricity, gas, water, military installations and runways just with cruise missiles alone!

This would make for a really good sifi movie. The Queen Elizabeth Aircraft carrier some how time travels back in time to the BATTLE FOR BRITAIN 🇬🇧

There's one sitting on the bottom of the Med somewhere, grab that and we're on our way to a squadron.

I've done a number of cross-tech scenarios mostly relying on AI, and yeah, AI for modern jets is always rubbish against 40's tech. It never sticks to its advantages. You can get around that some by setting it to RTB once it's expended its missiles. You really need human pilots to let the modern jets be the monsters they can be against 40s tech. Here's a scenario: Thanks to whatever BS fictional reason modern units are operating in a 40s battlespace, supply is very limited, and for the most part you can only use aircraft that can operate from unpaved airfields or the occasional paved road. Let them act as night fighters (even if you film it in daylight to have decent video), mainly to take enemy fighters out of the mix. How would a number of A-10s and Harriers with gun pods fare against a 40s bomber formation? (One that isn't trying to replicate Greatest Day numbers, to keep it manageable. I'll also suggest putting the bomber crews at lowest quality, since they're not supposed to be used to shooting at jets.) It was cross-tech stuff (your jets vs warbirds over the lake) that put me onto GR and DCS in the first place, so thanks for that.

This is quite an interesting fictional scenario. I honestly enjoyed it.

I really like these "time travel" what if's. Now granted I am not up on the BoB, But I would think that the shock of seeing bombers in your group just explode out of no where would put anyone off guard. Not to mention the sonic boom perhaps. And also would not the F35's have still had help from RAF? It's my opinion that they could have helped in stopping The battle of Britain.

That would have been absolutely mind blowing, probably like the Allied forces seeing a ME262A for the first time. It always amazes me that we went from Lancaster Bomber to Vulcan jet bomber in ten years. Not had a decent PC for over a decade actually more 2004 build was my last but that DCS looks amazing that you can set up WWII raid.

My buddy flew F4s in Vietnam. Early in the war, the planes didn't have cannons and they relied on first-generation (i.e., primitive) heat-seeking missiles. The problem is that the missiles would often chase the sun instead of the Mig's tailpipe. After running out of missiles, you had no choice but to ditch your spare fuel tanks, get into the clouds or low, and book it back to base. They added cannons later in the conflict.

"It wasn't me" On the right of the screen, red kill notification for F35B Simba :D

Lmao 🤣 every video Cap: “I don’t understand, how have we done so badly!”

Happy New year Grim Reapers

Nice! Love these historical mismatches! Those huge numbers are murder on the server though =-)

I loved the 19:03 moment. Not a Nazi, but such a good payback after the mayhem you created! :D

Amazing! Please try to do the same thing but with SAMS or S300 installed and see if they can deal with them

At what range could radar detect the incoming raid and would there be a chance to RTB and re-arm considering the speed of the lightning vs the speed on the enemy? I also agree with another comment regarding the likelihood the Lightning would be too fast for the gunner to track.

A nifty concept. I would like to see this scenario run again with F15s, F16s, and EuroFighters. Realistically, you should be flying much higher and engaging from as far away as possible, one at a time so you're all able to get 6 AMRAAM kills each. Then engage with Fox2s as you close the distance. Irl if that were the scenario the bombers would break and fly home as soon as they started dropping before they even cleared the coastline. But all around well done. Like I said I'd like to see the same battle run again with different aircraft.

I really liked this battle. Hope you revisit this later. Well Done, Boys!

I wonder how the EMB 314 Super Tucano would have done in the Battle of Britain. It has similar speed to WWII Warbirds but has modern electronics and weapons. I don't know if DCS has modeled this plane or not.

How about RAF F4 Phantoms? Air Defence loadout - 4 Sidewinder, 4 Skyflash and a Vulcan gun pod. Yeah baby!

Those Ju88's are beautifully rendered.

Cool scenario guys. I do think you would do much better if you had a full squadron of humans though. In all of these you do, the AI just does their own thing. Maybe set it up as a competition run behind the scenes for people to qualify for a campaign with the reapers. Could be a good way to find some new guys for you.

Maybe a human squadron.

The Germans had some advanced prototype aircraft and some early missile tech, try that with the best warplanes and missile tech the Luftwaffe could have had in 1946 maybe?. Interesting experience , the more advanced and early prototype German warplanes had the same problems targeting the slower Allied bombers at the time.

Nice Eagle cockpit on the F-35😂

Just found out about this game/series and WOW is all i can say. How cool

A nifty concept. I would like to see this scenario run again with F15s, F16s, and EuroFighters. Realistically, you should be flying much higher and engaging from as far away as possible, one at a time so you're all able to get 6 AMRAAM hits each. Then engage with Fox2s as you close the distance. Irl if that were the scenario the Junkers would break and fly home as soon as they started dropping before they even cleared the coastline. But all around well done. Like I said I'd like to see the same battle run again with different aircraft.

Wouldn't a squadron of Hawk fighters be just as effective, with a centerline cannon pod? How many Hawks could you buy for the price of an F35? Then again, it wasn't that long after that radar controlled AA guns and shells with proximity fuses became available, what difference could they have made in 1940?

14:25 okay shaggy lol It wasnt me lmao

Kinda makes you wonder if a10’s could take on a task like this. Closer range to the base but the a10 being able to use their gau. I dont know, some kind of slower moving plane with lots of machine guns.

#GrimReapers Here is an idea for you, although I doubt that the missile in question is in the game. Battle of Britain (as above video) vs a F104 Starfighter with it's nuclear AA missiles...

I suspect that Skyhawks with gun pods would fair better. Use one gun pod at a time leaving the internal guns for last.

A nifty concept. I would like to see this scenario run again with F15s, F16s, and EuroFighters. Realistically, you should be flying much higher and engaging from as far away as possible, one at a time so you're all able to get 6 AMRAAM hits each. Then engage with Fox2s as you close the distance. Irl if that were the scenario the bombers would break and fly home as soon as they started dropping before they even cleared the coastline. But all around well done. Like I said I'd like to see the same battle run again with different aircraft.

Now I'm curious about about Operation Pedestal but with F-35 as the carrier element

I'd be interested to see how less high tech would fare. Harriers, for example, with their manoeuvrability, wouldn't suffer the same difficulties tangling with fighter escorts, but still be able to deal with the bombers.

So a single jet couldn't land, re supply and then go out again? I think it could tbh...... of course if the objective is to stop it from happening fair enough.

Thanks to computer simulations we can find out how a small group of modern fighter jets will do against a massive array of WW2 fighters. Only in a good simulation can such wild battles take place, without anyone getting hurt. To me it's the stuff of Sci-Fi. To whom it may concern, my 3 favorite science fiction art books are : - Wonderworks by Michael Whelan - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson - Icon by Frank Frazetta

You should use the AIR-2 Genie nuclear missile, I bet one of those would take out the whole formation of bombers!

LMFAO - “ JUNK ERS “ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ITS YUN KERS 🤣🤣🤣🤣

"I can't tell what I'm shooting at" Proceeds to fire every missle. "OH no simba is hit"

suggestions: all lightnings piloted by actual people. Attack the bombers from the side while all of you are side by side. (Fly north of the blob and then turn into them going south. Unload on all of the front bombers first and then zig zag back and forth from the sides lining up two or three at a time to hit with a burst. Maybe rearm and reload cycles and supersonic speeds for all lightnings during attacks? Also, if you've got that carrier for those jets, you've got missiles to defend the carrier. Put the carrier on the other side of the isthmus and fire those missiles. (Every time I hear the words navy grumbles, I say to my self, gravey numbles. Then I say mumbles. Just read another commenter regarding sonic booms and it got me thinking. You could literally explode the glass in the cockpits of those bombers in real life by flying through the formation head on at mach 1 point something. That would probably down several of the bombers outright or at least cause them to drop the bombs over the sea which is just as good. And, what modern aircraft carries the most air to air. Would that be Tom Cats?

Total WW2 production of fighters and bombers on both sides wildly exceeds production of air-air missiles. About 15,000 JU-88s were produced, over 30,000 109s.

Holds the explosion of a warhead 120))) But dies after a couple of hits from a cannon. Well tuned the strength of the aircraft ...

This was hypothesised in the 90s by the raf, and they used harriers or tornadoes. In kne week of intense sorties similar to what the few flew they would stop the luftwaffe in a manner to which the stukas were stopped and pulled out

In a real-life attack, the Fighters would never attack from the rear, where the defensive guns were, but would use deflection shooting from the flanks at a speed the bomber gunners couldn't track properly. Attacking bombers from the rear is the worst way to do it.

Target deconfliction is a real problem real world too. I'm surprised the F-35 didn't have a way to manage it via a data link.

How about something that could have happened? Like: - De Havilland Vampire + Gloster Meteor vs. Ju-88 - De Havilland Vampire + Gloster Metor vs. Horton Ho-229 - Hawker Hunter vs. Horton Ho-229

I would use STT and shoot from 10+ miles. I don’t know if it is modeled, but give my missile the best possible look at the target.

love your videos. 22 kg warhead against a he 111? would they not get disintegrated?

Very cool idea

Perhaps you should try hitting them in the rear so you possibly have better tracking time and start them further back thanks to your advanced radar???

Strafing them from above on a fast fly by would be the quickest way to take them out

Only if you also transported the infrastructure needed to support them. External power could not be applied, as the trolley-accs used back then do not have the voltage, nor the correct connector. To keep the battery charged, you'd have to run the APU almost all the time the aircraft was on the ground. (Which also brings fuel/oil problems - see below). Any engine fault that requires engine (or component) replacement would be problematic. Any FCU/oil pump/fuel or oil filter problems would ground the aircraft. With a central European contract for engine servicing, engine bays on active RAF stations have limited ability to carry out module replacements - anything more requires shipping to the deep strip contractor. Some of the avionics boxes in the plane also cannot be deep-stripped in the UK, due to the contract signed with the USA. Some can only be replaced, box for box, and any deeper repair carried out in the USA once the box has been shipped back there. I am unsure if (like the Tornado) the engines can be run on AVGAS as well as AVTUR/AVTAG. If not, then as (at the time of the Battle of Britain) there were no operational jet fighters, the F-35s would manage one or two sorties before running out of fuel. There would possibly be problems with oil to top up the engine as well, with the Tornado using a synthetic oil (OX36? Been a while!). If the F-35 uses a similar synthetic oil, there would be difficulty in supplying it. Focusing only on the air-to-air ability of the plane gives a somewhat false outcome.

It did highlight one thing though some people spend way too much time worrying about 1v1 air superiority A very eye-opening episode into the border-security problem and the tactical superiority issue...it just doesn't matter how advanced your technology is if it can't do the job required of it or you're going to use it to try to do something that it can't do, that in fact is a waste of the technology and its support resources to try to do with it.

A worthy battle gentlemen. I am curious about the VTOL capabilities, and wonder if a hover/loiter approach exploiting the vector thrusters would be useful for the missile phase. It may prove more useful than having to blast though the "blob" and then melee.

A flight of B-1Rs would be a good contender for this scenario

Hey Cap, sorry to bring this up, but you did actually shoot Simba down. Your kill feed showed @14.39 that it was your sidewinder that destroyed Simba's aircraft. In saying that though, I do think your "zoom and boom" tactics were far better than just blindly firing missiles into the mass of aircraft. Great series, and I look forward to more!

Great vid, however the K variant of the BF109 was still a few years away…try Es and Fs…

In fairness, in real life suffering 50% casualties in one raid would have given the Luftwaffe serious kanalkrankheit.