so.. why did 4th gen fighters go in first and not the stealth fighters?

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@@dexlab7539 Yep, they are all fun. And even if it causes me to pull my hair out, it's the best whenever something goes wrong.

Yeah, if the PLA is getting their 60 PLAN fighters then the US should get 600+ USN & USMC Super Hornets & F-35s.

You don't need them.

china doesn't have a global military empire so it doesn't need an airforce that large.

@@hughmungus2760 If by that you mean China isn't a global superpower, then yes, you are correct.

Its definitely not. The J8's and JH7's were omitted and China's navy isn't aircraft focused like ours is so you can't really compare naval assets.

@@92HazelMocha I feel like he gave a pretty good rationale for omitting the J-8s and J-7s. They are basically modified MiG-21s. They do, technically, make up the numbers shortfall, but in a fight like this they wouldn't be able to do much. The Chinese mostly use them as trainers and expendable recon aircraft.

​​​@@djzoodudeThey are *not* modified Mig21's. They're very very different aircraft, we're even getting a proper J8 module for DCS and the cockpit looks closer to an F16 than a Mig. And since they recently upgraded their J8 and JH7 inventory to be compatible with the SD10, they're far from trainer aircraft. Granted they'll eventually toss them in favor of J16's and J20's, but it would be like discounting Vipers just because we also have F35's.

if you weren't attack sure, but in a real war when your airfield is getting bomb would it really be wise?

@@lagrangewei No one is sneaking up on a US air base and getting bombed without warning. But the poster is correct, the US, NATO, and pretty much every AF in the world (I believe) operates on the basis of multiples of either 2 or 4 jets. It's always an even number unless there's a last minutes reason (or in the case of actual combat...losses) that force an odd number of jets in a flight. Basically, DCS just isn't programmed to use the real-world advantages the US has. The most stealthy jets, top-quality electronic warfare, amazing training quality, more flight hours than virtually every other country, more hours on realistic simulators, top-quality sesnors/datalink/satellite/radar using the F-35 as a flying computer/router. Not all forces are created equal, except in DCS.

@@jamison884 yep, and it doesn't't take into account tactics and doctrines. We would send in small groups of stealth planes first, knock out their airborne warning, then a large flight of planes firing multiple types of missiles from various ranges to mess up their formations, then a sneak attack flight of stealth aircraft right after that as the enemy reformed, then a last flight to achieve air superiority. With that last flight would come flights of HARM equipped planes and fighter bombers to go after air defenses and airfields, to get anything left on the ground, knock out there defenses and ability to respond. After that, focus would be on maintaining air superiority. No one does that better than us, thought the command and control aircraft we keep up. One of the sneakiest tactics we use is to volley off a flight of medium/long range missiles on passive mode. CC can vector the missiles in, enemy gets nothing on their warning sets. Last minute, they put the missile flight into active mode: the Chinese headsets would go ballistic with missile warning/missle lock, and the missiles would be at point blank range at this point (I serve AF '92-'98, saw things like this in action, pretty impressive)

in the real world they would have target discrimination as well instead of firing 10 missiles at the same dead guy.

China would do the same. But with tactics. They have stealth aircraft but not as much as US so they wouldn’t go head to head with all of their aircrafts

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@@grimreapers pang.

Yup, and the balloon kill was worth the trillions spent on them 😂

Yup, and a fair fight may even be the US Navy and USMC vs. the Chinese AF (without the USAF altogether). USN and USMC have roughly ~1,200 fighter capable aircraft, from F-35B/C, F-18C & E/F/G, AV-8. Once they have all of their F-35s delivered, they should have a combined 700+, granted that's awhile from now.

@@cj64343 You would be surprised but yea I designed them spray Agent Orange on cocaine fields and blow up drug labs. Drug lords have Anti Aircraft systems it was designed to doge missiles. We did do dissimilar combat training because they also have fighter jets mostly Su-27. This plane is slow but is more maneuverable than any thing but a DR1 do NOT try and dogfight it. Its hard to Boom and zoom it too it can jink like nothing else in the world. The armor is CRAZY! way more than it needs. To date we have never lost a pilot.

Maybe they are not modelled. It is a mod aircraft after all.

In the previous run, the F-35s AIs all RTB'd before engaging. I think the tanks were added just to make the scenario work. I don't remember a similar problem with the J-20.

I dont think J20s running out of fuel was the problem. they carried too few missiles. Although in coming years its likely J20s will get an upgrade to increase their capacity to 8

@@hughmungus2760 hmm yea j20s dont carry alot, i think the f35 only carried 4 but they updated it to carry 6 (i forgot if it was the f35 or f22)

The j20 is not a fighter but an interceptor, characterized by high speed and range, so there is no fuel shortage

I think DCS also is limited in how many CPU's it would utilize.

I've run missions with over 3600 ground vehicles and it only functions at 1/4 speed or slower, and ground units use an order of magnitude less cpu to run.

yea, makes no sense sending in after the 4th gens

I am sure this way made a much better video. The Raptors would punch a hole through, the 35s would be circling spawn, and by the time the 40% of 15/16s spawned, they would need to carry bombs.

@@ncjoker420 Your comment made me laugh very hard. Yeah that would probably be the outcome.

That’s not how it works😂

Nothing deleted, it's on GR2 channel.

@@grimreapers ohhh ok

However..... still looks like D3's are underperforming, seems like they have a drop lock problem, and especially in comparison :( which I certainly don't believe would be the case!

29:46 lol you already answered your question Cap the U.S. fired more missiles and are losing more Planes at the same time... answer is simple, it's the missiles... PL-15's are over performing while D3's are dropping locks like crazy, the evidence speaks for itself right there in that moment your mentioning😅

Anarchy, no, the most advanced planes would go in 1st. Then the 4th generation jets, loaded up as missile trucks, would come in behind the stealthy jets. Look at how the U.S. fought Desert Storm against Iraq - we sent in the F-117s and Wild Weasels first to make a safer path for our less sophisticated aircraft.

@@pike100 Yeah but that was a real conflict with actual tactics, this involves essentially no tactics...

Count, same thing would be true for the people's champ, Simba. 😊

@@pike100 Simba is masterful at notching missiles no doubt

Me too. Deja vu? Mandela effect?

This is improved version with everything working.

B52's at least not for another 20 to 30 years. They're still suitable for their job so no reason to get rid of them. Also they don't cost that much to maintain given their payload capacity so we get a lot of bang for the buck. The A10 on the other hand might go away. I remember before the JSF project matured, one of the goals was for it to eventually replace the A10, but they also said that about the F16 and that didn't happen either. Tbh the A10 is overrated and the prevalence of PGM's have made a platform like the F15E plainly superior for CAS. I wouldn't be surprised to see the A10 go in the next decade, but I don't have any real evidence to support that.

Yeah. I mean, it's just for fun, but no way would they just send the F-16s in first one at a time as they took off.

I've been wondering the same. Wouldn't mind seeing the Stealths sent in first and then the 4th gens duke it out.

@@jestermarcus Yes. the issue is their server just can't handle a fight this big so they need planes to die to keep the framerate stable.

can DCS even support 3 way battles?

PL15 has always over-achieved in DCS. We've never found why, I've looked into this many times.

DCS only really supports two coalitions sadly.

@@grimreapers or maybe PL15 is better than aim 120

That was the actual reason for the Chinese success. The pl15 runs on propaganda in DCS. The 120d3 should be buffed to match if the 15 can't be nerfed.

Cap doesn't need any vocal training; he already does a great job. 👍

I loved Murray, possible the world's best commentator?

@@grimreapers It was 100% his pure deep-seated love and enthusiasm for the sport that made him the commentator he was - you could tell how much he loved watching the racing, loved the cars, knew the teams, knew the drivers - everything. F1 was never the same after he retired. I get the same impression of you with military aviation - you're doing what you love doing, and it shows.