I don't particularly gravitate to this particular sound, but I prefer *all* of your tribute versions to the original! Amazing work.

The argument for vintage cymbals is that we've grown up listening to music and they are on the recordings.. The classic records are masterpieces for good reason which is why they get revisited. So when you hear a vintage cymbal or even a Ludwig supraphonic it hits you in the gut and there is just an intangible feeling. It can be instant when you find a good old cymbal. It's a familiarity thing. What's familiar can obviously change but we aren't there yet. This why vintage cymbals or similar still reign supreme

Incredible job on the tributes. The consistency between the first few especially is super impressive! I’m in the camp of liking the sound, but maybe only if I had other colors to choose from too. You are really honing your craft, dude. Loving your new Prism series too!

Amazing work. Badass for sure.

Great stuff, Tim. As always.

Some really beautiful pieces of artwork you have created

Sounds really good.

20's were my favorites too. Nice work, Tim!

These all sound great

The 21” sounds the most pleasing to my ears. Nice touch! I’ll be on the lookout for your cymbals at the drum shops in my area. Cheers

Such an amazing project! I appreciate you sharing this stuff with us, and so interesting to learn what makes that old K sound like it does. I would more likely use one of the 20s you made for a gig, the had a little more sparkle and life. The K seems like a real “blend” kind of cymbal, your 20s had blend but also some “cut” for a band mix. The flat top bit and hum, overtones reminds me of a 20 Dream Vintage Bliss I have, where you also have to be careful where you hit it, some areas sound wonderful and some add so much hum you lose all definition and drown out 1/2 the band. Again, amazing video series, better than a Netflix drama series. Thank you!

Interesting project, Timothy. I liked the 20" 1757g, and the 20" 1776g. However, I also liked that the 21" had a 'ceiling' in regards to sustain, to me stick definition, and tones being washed away by the rides sustain is a real downer. Again, really good work, and thanks for sharing.

Weirdly enough, I still like the original the best. I love a lot of the ones you made, especially the fact that the bells don’t activate as much of the rest of cymbal as you said. Great video, your excitement and passion for this project came through very clearly and that’s really fun to watch!

Those hums and barks in the context of music and other musicians can be what’s needed to make complex music work. So in a pop world nobody’s riding with any conviction or pushing the band with dynamics etc. You often want one consistent tone. But I’d say you nailed it! I wouldn’t return to take that or even it out more. I at least believe that is what differentiates you.

The 1776 20 is my favorite "smaller" cymbal, the 21 is screaming Billy Martin to me. Thats my favorite of the bunch. Killer job Tim!!

I like the tim metz intro lick😅😅

Not even part of the conversation in this video, but; The Prism series is sooo nice.

I think I'm in the same boat as you that I typically don't love old Ks (with exceptions). I actually think Tim's is a pretty good one, but I dig yours quite a bit, especially the first one. I think it captures the essence of Tim's but cleans it up a bit.

Intro fill!!

To my ears, you got the closest with the 1608g one. Although I still slightly prefer the original. Great video, very informative!

21" 1995g best for me, rides beautifully and crash-wooshes just right❤

As far as Vintage cymbals, i do not like old Ks. In general. Im sure there are some id like, butnim general i dont dog old Ks. However, i do love Old As and Old Paistes. Tim, you are an absolute artist with cymbals! I can not wait to hear your heavier cymbals you jabe coming out!!! O sure hope Tim Metz loves these and appreciates your craft!!! Id love to hear him play and go off woth that 21! Like i said, its super similar to some rides ive heard on some MM&W albums that Billy Martin plays.

Those sounded killer with the rivets!!! Loved the sounds of all of them.... As far as the 19.5" you didn't like, what if you reversed the edge, and made it similar to a swish knocker kind of cymbal? I mean what do you do with your "rejects" (which still sound better than a lot of others I've heard) You said it's thinner, so... Thanks for posting these!

great work ! l like the original and yours ! l like a tiny bit of clangyness, just a touch.... reminds me of the old records and Tony... Seems the thing hardest to capture or recreate to my ears and eyes are the old K bells.

Great series Tim, I spent so long and so much money chasing that old K magic like a junkie. I fetishized that elusive tone and was disappointed every single time FedEx showed up with one. I’d think I’d finally hear what I was looking for on a reverb listening only to have it show up and be the cymbal equivalent of a 72 pinto with 2 bad cylinders. In the end a lot of the old Ks sound like dog shit. I wound up getting a set of Nicky’s cymbals (sorry Tim, it’s before I discovered you) and have been exceptionally happy. Sure I get the bug once in a while, But it’s mostly a closed issue and I don’t feel like a crackhead. Additionally I like mixing bright and dark cymbals, I feel it really expands your palette and options. You’re asking the tough questions Tim, thanks for doing Gods work. (Yes God plays drums…..obviously)

I love how explosive and trashy the crash sound is. beautiful cymbals

The 1757 sounds great

The origibnal one has a quiet shadow to it's sound that the others just dont have... it plays under its self.

Tim. Every cymbal you made sounds better than the old k. I have some 2007 14 K con hi hats that are too heavy and chunky i think i’m going to send to ya. Hopefully you can make them more suited for my taste.

i like that 22”,the what i call icy stick sound followed by the dark wash is my fav charcteristics of some old k’s that i played. all these old k tributes or copies always have these dark wash,trash but they miss this icy stick sound. i wonder why.

The old K sounds a lot like the now discontinued Jack DeJohnette Signature Encore ride by Sabian. This isn’t a bad cymbal, it’s just very specific.😊

I like the tributes (particularly the 21 & 22) better than the original ¯\_(ツ)_/¯....warmer sound to my ears.

It's funny I actually think you were least favorite was my very favorite 😂

But why sizzles in - EVERYTHING... Geez... Enough already lol

21" seemed the most logical. But these are all too thin for survival. Nyc or on the road. Not sure what is happening in other cities. Thin hammered cymbals are great for broken time, modern pretty jazz gigs. But for a straight ahead drummer that is playing in many different rooms with different size groups the thin beautiful sounding cymbals don't cut it. Need to sacrifice some beauty for an all around-er. This is why you still see old k 22"s or A's, some 20", paiste 602"s, and for better or worse modern zildjian. I'm talking as main rides in nyc for working drummers. You don't see agops, or even Spizzichino. You see the new cymbal smith cymbals with modern guys that don't play a lot of straight ahead. I'm biased but would love to see a larger percentage of useful main rides that people like Louis Hayes, Billy Higgins, Ben Riley, Jimmy Cobb, Mel Lewis would play. They didn't play thin cymbals but had no trouble controlling a cymbal in a small room. Main reason is stick sound as a function. It's like it's a couple decibels higher or separate on a good old K. Old stamp k's can suffer from being too mellow fit back this claim. I gen mean later k's starting with intermediate stamp. There's obv more to this, but that's all now.

20" 1757g for me any ole day. Man, your ears must get fatigued. maybe not though. My old 19.5" K has a 6mm keyhole. Doesn't look like Tim's does. Correct?