This is a faIrly common trend for most FPS/PvP games, specifally in the OCE region where the player base is already quite small. Once the casual players leave the scene these games tend to become alot more tedious to maintain a competivie skill level and returning players simply cant be bothered.

Personally, my biggest Problem with this game is, as you said, the dead proximity chat. The proximity chat was the thing that made BattleBit unique. Now it's just a FPS game.

The sweats that play this game pushed for high movement speed and defended the busted air strafing, the very same mechanics that pushed most players away as it contradicts the initial vision of the game and the product most of us expected to receive. There was a promise of a milsim mode I doubt we will ever see. Most of the people that got the game wanted a battlefield like game with some light milsim mechanics but instead ended up with a game that feels closer to call of duty.

game was amazing for the first couple of months, then the casuals left and all that remained were people who liked the game but werent spectacular at it and sweats that played like their gf was watching and told them they couldnt engage in coitus unless they dropped 150+ kills per game. in an already tiny OCE population this basically shrunk the player base to 2-3 servers, then down to 1. kinda unplayable now for me :(

I think we need to re-normalize the hilarious semi roleplay that went on in almost every game, it might be that first good step to re-welcoming new players. I know it is not for everyone but that is what brought me into the game in the first place and helped me get over the initial battlefield gameplay learning curve.

I still love and use the proximity chat. Nothing better than begging for mercy (or more) when a group of enemy players drag you into a bush and takes turn T-bagging you...

Even as a good player.... man I just want to relax and have fun, not be exhausted after ONE game, I hop back on after a few updates, and I cant even get out of spawn without 3 squads of MLG want to bee's shooting me in the back... and I then spend the whole game trying to remove the rats from are spawn because the other 80 people on my team just.. don't care that they cant leave spawn I guess?

the problem is that the gameplay at high levels is just not appealing to most people. its too fast and chaotic with people running around that you cant shoot on top of all the snipers shootingg you from a mile away. it sounds like the devs are at least trying to make the game more grounded in the future

I played a ton on official release. Pretty much every free hour I had I sunk into the game. But in the process of trying to prestige (prior to exp buff), I burnt myself out and took a break. After a couple of months, I tried playing again. The game felt less chaotic and more methodical. I guess the game was figured out per map basis. I just didn't have as much fun playing. This is coming from a person who enjoyed PS2 when all 3 factions converge on a single zone and the battle becomes a cluster-f@#$.

I've always been a pretty low KDR character getting like maybe a .9 or 1.1 KDR on average. Like good mid-tier PTFO style of player who only occasionally fucks off to do silly non-ptfo things. But every time I come back holy crap I feel like I'm just spawn die repeat and going like 0-20 on matches and its just an awful experience that can be tricky to push past if you're not mentally prepared to suck like you're new after a break, or if you don't re-improve quick enough.

whats the point of large player combined arms maps and proximity if the """core players"" (impossible to please losers who will keep playing regardless) only care about twitch shooting and waddling their head back and forth. this game shouldve never had a high skill ceiling, it shouldve leaned into its strengths as an easy to run mil sim

Its such a natural progression for a game though. You start the game as a newbie, and then you learn. And then you get better. But the fact that the "movement tech" is such a factor of BBR, certainly help. Its such an easy low-skill factor of the game, but those who don't abuse it still suffer to those who do. Even if movement were tuned down, good movement in any game, be it a milsim with snail-pace movement, or a game like BF, the both having less speed and crazy mid-air turns than BBR, good movement still trumps bad movement. Change the movement to where it can't be abused by mid-skilled players and above, and everyone will have a better time. Trust me. What differentiates a high-skill BBR player from a low-skilled ones the most (different to other games), how they're fucking speed-demons on adderall and moves like they're having seizures.

Game is crazy sweaty. Loved coming into a game and just RPing in this game. Cant do that with lack of VOIP, lack of skill, and smgs seeming to be king. Being dedicated support sucks. People rarely revive now, so people rarely are around to get some ammo. If you arent getting high kd you are just ruining the game for your team. Only being a slow, easy to kill target makes me useless to my team and the effort to win the game.

So how I view it is its less about the skilled players and sweats and more about the boring gameplay loops. Even with multiple game modes more people just play it as a team death match. Its just die, respawn, rush into an awful play, and repeat. Some people like that some don't. There also doesn't feel like there is a real skill ceiling in the first place because you don't really get punished or rewarded for playing well or awfully, so a lot of people play a bit get bored and leave.

It's not that it happens to all games. It happens to the games that want to be a competitive sweat mess. The devs allow me to air strafe and to drop shot and i don't want to, but there always a sweaty squad of pros wanna be spawn camping and flanking. DONT allow me to kill 10 people solo every time im flanking. If you stop in this game you're dead, if you do anything other than kill you're wasting your time, so don't heal your team, don't give them ammo, don't push objectives, don't repair vehicles. Just kill.

I took a break from the game for a while, and everything had changed. The game would be great if there was a ranked version, which I would say would make it so much better

Maybe this is an unpopular take but I think they need to nerf movement in some way even as someone with over 300 hours in the game I still get taken aback at how fast some of the "sweaty" players can move so I can't imagine how bad it feels for even newer players. My suggestion is either A: add either some in air inertia for jumping (I do really like being able to change direction while jumping but even for me it is very difficult to track as it is almost impossible to predict their movement) option B: add an increasing delay to jumping on repeat (to try and reduce the number of people just spamming jump at every moment) or option C: a slight decrease to player movement speed with lighter armours (and I do me very slight). Even as a somewhat long time player I often can only play a handful of matches before I get annoyed or bored from playing against "sweaty" players and I think something along these lines could at least help. Imo option A is probably too far it's a bit of a nuclear option, option B is more reasonable and I don't think it have a massive affect but would definitely help, and option C: is maybe a bit too far and I could see alot of people having a problem with it.

It's always had a high skill ceiling. I think some casual Team Deathmatch or gun-game modes would help. But this game needs to attract way more players again.

Nerf Air Strafing and the ridiculous fast movement without helmet and light equipment... Ready

hopefully the new update will be big enough to bring back enough players that everyone can have fun playing again

I really agree with you dude. I so wish this game kept the initial slower, cautious, tactical route it originally aimed for. And power to you man, your movement in these clips would enrage me lol. I can't even lean while moving

I miss the proximity chat fun. Only thing I hear now is enemies calling me a stick bundle since they can't say the actual word without a ban. I miss jumping into a squad and chatting it up

Long comment, sorry not sorry. I have played BB for a long time. It is the only multiplayer game played consistently in my house. I have a 1.31 K/D ratio and am very glad for it. I have ALWAYS PUNCHED UP bc my favorite servers are hardcore servers that actual top 100 players main. They come on and compete with devs, staff and stupidly high K/D players & clans on these servers and I get MERKED. However my skills have massively grown bc of playing on these difficult servers, and my skills across all fps games have massively jumped up. Yes it can be difficult for newer players to casually jump into but not if they have a guide. I enjoy these difficult server bc the playerbase on them is actually very engaged and friendly if you aren't a POG (piece of garbage) in comms.

It's why so many casual gamers love CoD. The playerbase resets every year and it can be casual again for a while. Every multiplayer game ever will lose it's casual players, some sooner rather than later, and it will just leave the most hardcore players going against each other.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the notion that it's bad to balance the game in any way that hurts sweaty players in order to bring back the casuals. If there is some crazy wonky tech that requires dozens of hours to perfect AND it goes against the spirit of the gaming experience, then it has to go. Example: Dolphin diving in COD is okay because it's not that hard to do, the game doesn't take itself very seriously (look no further than the weird skins for proof), and the tech isn't hard to counter against with practice. However, putting a Q-E leaning spam on a macro DOES need to go, because it's not something everyone can do with the default controls, and it's against the spirit of the game. (Unless Battlebit has some D&D displacer beast lore that I don't know about.) But most importantly, Battlebit devs can die on their hill with its hardcore players pleased and catered to, or they can attempt to breathe new life into its dwindling game by making it more accessible.

voip is dead in eu servers as well

my issue isn't with high skill players. my issue is with things like lean spamming making it effectively impossible to shoot someones head while they are lean spamming. the time to kill in battlebit is too short to hone in on the tempo that people tilt. i don't hate the idea of people being able to lean but the upsides to spamming it vastly outweigh the downsides. it should be an action taking before peaking out of cover not one that is being done mid gunfight. everyone loves how fast paced battlebit can be. i don't like dropshotting or turning around in a split second while prone. ive caught people out in the open within 25-30m and had them lay down and turn around and kill me. these aren't things that the top 0.1% players that are taking advantage of these movement mechanics. it's more like 10-20% of the players in my lobbies. i do think that the servers i play on are closer quarters meat grinder maps and gamemodes. someone playing large scale battles won't run into this issue as much. i do have a bit of animosity towards clans of prestige 10 players. i don't want to go up against people who are taking the game that seriously. as long as they don't team stack i don't mind there being better players on the enemy team as long as there are equal players on my team.

I've tried to play this game with my friends, but they quickly gave up because it wasn't fun for them to just get demolish on repeat and honestly i understand. Just a bit sad because i really enjoy this game and want to play it more (but with my friends)

I think the game needs to make it a little more appealing for the tactical shooter players. the game play is to quick even if you want to play a more relaxed role like a marksman. i think player movement should be every so slightly slower and there should be stamina like a stamina bar or something. but i dont want movement to be limited to much because its a big part of the game and the smg users and close range players rely on movement to get kills and stay alive. But i think there can be happy medium between tactical shooter and fast paced COD like shooter. i think the new update that is making medium range more viable will help with this.

The lack of content and updates is what drove me away and the fact that the devs are putting their efforts into gun skins and camos when we dont even have a kill screen to show off these crazy camos! The kill screen needs to be updated to show the enemy's weapon model with all their attachments and skins!

my advice is run engineer, light backpack, no chest rig, suicide vest, rpg with scope and smoke grenades.

Every time I get on BBR I get mopped but it's still very fun to play and that gap will only get larger as I play less due to the weather getting better and by the time November comes back around I expect to be at the bottom of the leader board

Today, yes. During launch and early access days, it felt like there was a good blend of "sweats", good players, and novice players. That makes it enjoyable. Now that has slimmed with very few novice players.

I have 110 hours in the beta, and 530 hours in the Early Access. I'm a player who spent the time learning what was good, what was not, how to abuse movement, quickly move through the battlefield, and put in the effort to learn this. Because of this, I am one of the players that remained up until late December when content became stagnant, and the game was about as sweaty as a Valorant ranked match. This is the fate of any game in OCE. Battlefield 4 was spectacular when 2042 was announced, and when it launched, flopped, and killed all hype, the only players left were myself with 3.1k hours, and my friends who had similar amounts. As much as I hate matchmaking and the hidden MMR system, these get implemented in games to prevent this from happening. Dedicated servers just prevent the entry barrier into the game from being easy, since you get dropped into a match with someone like me who leans with every peek and ruins your day(I didn't learn this for Battlebit. I played Rainbow 6: Siege for 2 years and my highest rank was Emerald 5 and no higher. Rise up my Monty mains). It becomes second nature to play like this because you practice it to the point it becomes a habit, since the results always yield benefits. When Oki went on his rant about movement and wanted to implement probably the worst movement into the game, using Battlefield 1 as an example, I was prepared to quit. His reasoning was strictly of the belief that people abusing this ruined it for new players, rather than finding an alternative. I presented a proper suggestion regarding movement being controlled by server owners through cvars like Counter Strike does (bhop top), but was shot down by the very loud crowd of "you're only good because of your movement". I supported the lean nerfs, I'm vocal about dropshotting being a worse situation then in Call of Duty, I was all for changes to movement but in a much more sensible manner. But to sit here and watch a game that I supported, a game that I love, and a game that is amazing for the type of player that I am, get tossed aside for nerfs to better the experience for new players just doesn't sit right with me. The sniper nerf rubbed me the wrong way, too. I'm not a sniper main, but I'm definitely a player who loves to snipe. Counter sniping is so incredibly easy now that snipers who regularly move around from building to building, between cliffs, and on foot, have an incredibly higher rate of counter sniping success. As long as you move correctly with your team, or to safe areas, you can drop 60-70 kill games with only a handful of deaths. The sniper lines make spotting enemy snipers at different angles a breeze, and the scope glint changes make hiding from your enemies incredibly hard. These nerfs are just not it. I want to bring in my friends and do stupid things with them, but the environment to do so is simply not possible. With the skill ceiling being so high in OCE now, you're just going to be pushed into a game with the same 5-10 people running amok, or teams stacking due to the lack of auto-balance and steamrolling into a spawntrap. I watched the ABG server empty within a good 10 minutes because of this. The ABG members and regulars were laughing at first, but after 80 people left, the majority of my team that was being spawntrapped, they started blaming other servers, but then realised that the map was the cause and their actions were to blame. It's so incredibly sad to see, but this is the state of the game in OCE right now. My hope for this game has dwindled, and I now login to play maybe once every 2 weeks, and just get depressed at the state of it. 5 months without an update, and the only thing we're getting is 2 new maps, 1 game mode update, and sounds. It took 3 months to find that out to begin with.

I tend to hold the same opinion you do Camikaze for BBR, but a lot of the people dropping 300+ kills in lobbies are cheating. They upload their own gameplay and the amount of instant head snaps is crazy suspicious. Tends to come from the clan CatEat

so i've been playing this game since BETA test and one of the thing that make this game so fun is the VoIP. and i havent play in a long time, few days ago i jumped in battlebit and wondering why everybody is so quite

I still play regularly. Probably 3-15 hours each week. Until recently I used to be in the top 5 in every much, but after a one week break I sit in the top 20. Might be that the weekly objectives at the start of the week messed with the rankings a bit. Atleast I got my 2-3K/D Prestige 3 - level 60

I warned the devs of this 2 years ago :)

Turning 35 next month, i feel like this is every game right now, last 3-5 years at least. Gaming is gone so big, that every game will attract the min/maxers and figure everything out in no time. Tried to get back into Apex, but everyone is so tryhard compared to a few years ago. A ranking system could be a solution, but that brings it own pile of problems

I think some small changes could help like you cant respawn within 100m of your last death. Sometimes i die bandaging to the same guy i just killed 5 seconds ago

Make it so when jumping you are locked in the momentum. Easy sweat fix for those individuals. For long ranged combat make moving around detrimental to accuracy.

I've said this before, but the dead voip is a direct consequence of their forcing you to acknowledge that they'll ban you for using it every time you launch the game. Why walk on eggshells and still risk getting banned arbitrarily when i can just call my friends ____'s in discord?

arcade mechanics, weapon and class imbalances favoring SMGs, realism ttk mixed with realistic bandaging/healing, VoIP bans i get sniped by vector at range after landing a headshot but it doesnt cater to sweats? lmaoooo

I play in the NA region, I almost exclusively play on 256 player servers.. on average there's only 2 or 3 full 256p servers.. And lately my KDR is going up, I'm not seeing the 'sweat' as much, there's certainly individuals that show up that fill this archetype but I recently came back after several months of hiatus, and my KDR is going up.. slowly, but it is.. before I went on a hiatus though, there was a very categorically 'the whole sweat' which was 'Cateat'

Can’t speak about other regions but I find that American servers are pretty playable and has a good mix of good bad and ugly players 😂

For me it was the sniper nerfs. I haven't come back now but overall I find the sniping playstyle relaxing and when it began to get kneecapped I struggled to keep up with the more direct confrontation the community has come to.

If you want SBMM , play games that have that. Back in the day if you sucked , you played till you learned how to properly play, And that experience was part of the gameplay itself. Like saying - I want to play chess but I don't want to spent time learning how to. (one of the reasons why pay to play , gatcha games are popular for mindrot) Everyone whit higher lvl's have too much skill? Run A Private modded Server that allows only low lvl players in...

Ich habe das nach einer Pause auch so erlebt, aber Battlebit gibt einen so viele Möglichkeiten spaß zu haben, wenn ich merke das ich im Cluster**** nicht mithalten kann dann gehe ich auf die Äußeren Punkte. Oder ich fange an zu Snipern, oder ich schnappe mir einen M7 Humvee oder oder oder. Und dann kommt der Rest auch wieder von alleine.

Rly playing on a server whit 200 ms ping? The biggest skill ceiling is - Proper mouse sensitivity setup , so if you move your mouse at least you move it in the general direction of the object you want to aim for , sadly 70% seem to ignore that.

What gun do u use? Also what’s a great gun for a medic?

i stopped playing because when I'm SL nobody wants to play as a squad and capture the points in conquest and nobody talks in the game

I don’t like that they removed bleeding

Every game becomes sweaty if you give players enough time to master what it offers. It's just a natural part of any activity in life. Whether or not it's worth putting the time in to catch up is entirely up to the player.

I also think the low poly style means you can see everyone way too easily. Don’t get me wrong I like the style, but maybe they could look into adding a bit more detailing to make some of the maps feel less like empty shells, and give people a better chance when it comes to concealment.

Planetside 2 is way better than Battlebit for new players because PS2 has way more support classes that actually are useful in battles/fights. New players can also join skilled outfits and learn the game whilst feeling welcomed. In its glory days Battlebit was casual but the pace felt more like the older Battlefield games, now it feels like a more arcade version of Call of Duty. Over time/updates its made medics more useless and nerfed snipers whilst giving sweatlords more pace and stupid mechanics to exploit. One aspect you missed is that players are forced to adapt to these sweats - so zooming around the map and fast twitching schizoids becomes the 'meta' and if you somewhat want to compete and not get wrecked you have to adopt that playstyle. Regarding the fun chat/banter VoIP - if there is no use for support classes there is less reason to communicate and because of the arcade sweatfest pace players have less time to use VoIP/talk. You reap what you sow, this is why Planetside 2 is still going after 12 years whilst Battlebit has become cringe after 1 year.

One solution to this would be constantly rolling out new features to make players come back. Unfortunately dev team is small and they dont wanna spend much money.

This has always been a complaint for battle field like games the people with more time have the map and meta knowledge so they can clean house it has always been a grind at first the nice thing is most of these games have decent starter guns and you at least have a chance

This isn't the main issue with the game. The main issue with this game is the lack of players because the game has significantly dropped into low thousands. It has not done a good job at maintaining the player numbers because lack of content updates and other games competing for the playerbase. This results in a player base that is extremely good and sweaty bc these are the games most dedicated players and it doesn't help that every update they have ever done did not drive play numbers up. They need to add microtransactions so they can pay for more staff. Im sorry, but it has to be done.

Since we just had another steam sale the uptick in mostlx russian hackers on EU servers is way more off putting to me than having to fight great players.. its so many. Adter these sales you WILL find multiple bans on the Steam profiles of the players that kill you in suspicious ways...like nearky always and yes I go and spectate them.

all im hearing is there will always be competition when i play the game

Was contemplating getting the game after seeing some old hilarious vids, but after looking into it i'm probably just gonna pass based on the dead voice chat and the lack non run and gun impactful support roles

A good solution would be focusing less on the weapons and working around the classes

Quadratic aim assist? Like when you aim near them it counts as a hit but modifies damage based on precision? Adjusted through trial and error over time. Squash the skill ceiling/gap. I would like to see a shooter try that as a social experiment. Kind of rough because people tend to play these games with the goal of nearing the skill ceiling. For the rush of being greater than. I guess it's the usual skilled minority vs casual majority problem that's plagued all pvp games since forever. Who do you cater your game towards? Usually where the money is at so it doesn't shutdown.

7:29 it also doesnt help that the game doesnt have a cohesive tutorial either. All the intermediate mechanics like fast reloading and leaning are only explained in the practice range. Not only that, im pretty sure there is NO explanation on how equiping armor or building works (let alone Support's insta-build passive). Hell, i only learned you can switch classes after my 3rd or 4th match 😂

I stick around 1.5 kd with a positive win rate. I have been playing since release day, i have around 350 hours in the game. I really dont mind the sweats, ive been playing these kinds of games a long time. The problem i have is when they are jerks. Dont discourage other peoples fun. Dont tell people to shut up, turn off prox chat. Its lame. Im more afraid that this big map battlefield style game is dying.

Game is self cannibalizing - Game was advertised as a better battlefield But is played like arcade movement shooter - There's little reason to interact with the war sim mechanics in the game, Winning means little, people care more for the KDA than the objectives Why drop ammo, heal, make cover, help a teammate, etc. when its better to just hold space and respawn? - Making a slower game mode with movement nerfed will just split the community more , Sweats would mainly play against sweats, making the game feel worse since they wont have fodder - No reason to come back in the game - Game is pretty solved by the people that stayed, While new players don't even know which direction to be looking since they don't know the map

There are people in every game who want to be better at it. Its just normal nature of men. We want to be better, we want to be the best, we are competetive. And this is problem for every game without Ranked matchmaking. If they get to make a ranked mode for battlebit im all for it and i think it could solve the problem. I just cant imagine how to make a competetive mode for game like battlebit.

the problem with this game is movement is to fast, its a a deathmatch/arena shooter masked has a milsim game. its all about KD ratio and not about objectives, seriously just look at your video, player movement feels and looks like you are driving a car at high speed.

I wonder what will happen if you do the opposite and buff low skill gaming a bit to make it easier for them to win fights.

In Europe the community servers are sweaty but the official servers are usually chill. At least that's what i see. I play almost exclusively 127v127

majority of people and the devs made it a run and gun shooter... well you get a run and gun shooter. edit: a wild idea why not have PVE?

I havent watched the video yet, but if i dont sweat in the game, it becomes very punishing and boring,i keep dying and its just not fun, i also play Dirty Bomb which i am sweat in, the game is dead, but some players still play, and 80% of them are sweats

Littlebird minigun sweats are the bane of this game Inb4 "just play on infantry only maps" no, I want to enjoy vehicles too

I just hate ranked and rn, 8/10 this games feels like playing ranked

Sweats are not high skill players. Sweat is a person who exploits the game's mechanics and systems beyond the limit and competes in a casual game as if their life depends on it, effectively ruining the game for everyone and destroying potential new players. There is a big difference.

it just all those player that never stopped playing like battlefield games back in the day you either played enough to match the player skill curve or you got left behind those people who truly found their battlefield in battlebit never left an the more casual players who play couple hours ever other night or so just cant keep up the player base has gone down but the average skill of that player base is a lot higher cos they are the people who still play EDIT wrote this before finishing video turns out Cami get to this exact point in the first five minutes of video

how about suggesting dev to create specific newbie server, where there is a limit to how much kill you can do per minute or maybe like 30 sec / kill limit. to make sure that high skill player doesnt invade the newb server. and give the newb a chance to learn slowly

yeah, only the sweats remain. they really need to limit snipers in all game modes at this point. some maps are literally impossible to run and gun because half of all players are sniper / DMR.

I tried it again recently and the gamechat is nothing like it was. It's so quiet, game already feels dead :/

I mean, create two categories of servers : One where only peoples with a certain level (determined through KDR, time played and so on...) and another where new or returning players can go. Forced separation is the only for a category of peoples to not ruin everyone's time.

I honestly feel like it's in a pretty good state for beginners, just set up my friend with little fps experience and they've been loving it. Having so many players on each team makes them feel like they're not throwing if they don't preform the best but still gives them enough room to grow.

I always liked playing angles and moving at a moderate pace but this game seems to reward people who do the zoomer speed running movement. I have tried to replicate that style but overall it didnt feel fun.

once they changed the movement the game started getting worse

The lack of vehicles and how bad they are made me quit the game back when it launched. I have no idea if it has improved or not because everyone plays only one gamemode (inf conquest).

lets not forget that this problem leads to more cheaters as ppl with small pp's cant handle being worse so they download cheats. getting killed by an aimboter has become so mewhat the norm and yesterday i got killed by 1 shooting an ak 15 at like 1300 rpm lmao. all games are having this issue, where ppl that wanna actually get good put time in and then get called 'sweats' and then casuals that cant handle losing download cheats. 2024 is a bad time for the fps genre. edit: ppl also like to blame the state of games on devs but if they didnt have to poor so many resources into anti cheat and managing player reports maybe they could actually work on their game instead of just 'saving' it all the time. players are a massive part of the issue unfortunately.

AUG and F2000 are the best guns in the game, heavy barrels with a slip, I laser snipers at insane range.

All game eventually get sweaty. Its just how it goes.

6:49 I don't feelt sorry for this type of person in any walk of life, let alone gaming. If you choose to stop putting time and effort into a competitive activity you don't get to turn around and blame the opposition or the activity itself weeks/months/years later when you attempt to pick it up again and find the skill gap has only grown bigger. I've found a lot of the people who understand and accept this fact have experience in other competitve activities outside of gaming like sport (though even then I've had retarded football team mates who don't train throughout the week and then turn up on match day and start crying about the refereeing or the opposition when we're inevitably losing at half time). Gamers need to get out more and understand that this is not a problem specific to the game they are crying about this month or the developers or other players. It's a problem with them. You get out of competitive activities what you put in, and most of these people don't put any time or effort into these games or the skills they depend on. They just jump from game to game crying about how everything is catered to the "sweats" and blaming everything under the sun except for themselves. If you don't have the time or the energy to put into a competitive game, fine, but you need to that you are never going to improve at the rate required to feel like you're closing the skill gap and be content with where you are today.

Every games are full of tryhards nowadays isnt only this game sadly.

im just on the way to join eatcat clan so i like the grinde to a 11 kd

what about planetside 2

Battlebit was more fun during the playtests, im just waiting for the next update fr

I feel like this is just the case of "players staying in the game and getting good" more than anything else really. The issue is also greatly exaggerated and this is from my experience mostly an issue on community servers rather than official ones. I rarely if ever encounter people from the Cateat clan or anyone who plays like them on official servers of any kind really. And honestly majority of the people from that clan are not even as good as some say and only a select few drop over 200-300 kills, and that is on a good day for them. I rarely encounter anyone dropping that much on officials. Also given how the entire clan is being looked at by everyone at this rate bad actors would have been caught by now if there were any in the first place. While some of BBRs mechanics should be looked at to slow the game pace a bit, you can't put all the blame the ones that are just plain better at the game than you are.

Titanfall 2 is an identical comparison. I’m a top-percentile player and I see new players who are frustrated with how “sweaty” the game is. You can even see it in the recent steam reviews. I understand where player’s frustrations are coming from. But those good players have been playing for a long time and have developed their skills. “Git gud” is what I think of. But really it’s “stay strong. Keep playing and learning. You’ll get better.”

Yea the sweatiness is why I left. Likely will never come back

i dont have any dead voip games? might just be an oce thing

Too sweaty? Most players are trash! Never had a squad working with me.

snoozn dropped 407 😭😭😭

Yes. Not fun anymore. Also it's missing servers in SA. Even went back into BF4...

Not for me anyway, I am run and gunning and sniping easy enough and im pretty casual these days