That's ok. We all knew they never owned an actual Hinderer, when theyd make that claim.

Hah! Almost just bought one. Went to DLT and they just posted the Gen 6 with wharncliffe blade. Was adding to my cart when I realized it was the 3 inch version.

Jay Ingle Glad to hear it. Yes, I think I flicked it open a couple times here in the video, but in case I didn’t... they work perfectly.

I picked up a 24 not too long ago and I completely agree bro they are unbelievable

Adam Hastings that’s what you say when you badly designed a flipper and it doesn’t work.

John 47 yep sorry

John 47 lol

"Yes sire, what may i get for you?" "I need a none curvy blade knife" "A...non curvy bladed knife sire?" "Yes! Have you SEEN how many wax sealed parchments i have to open?" "I shall do my best sire, i will inform the 'smith at once."

I hate Wharncliffe blades. Zero belly... and I like the blade to have gone curvature.

Awesome idea Thanks bro

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Chris Allison You might be right, I’m just used to everything being Torx that I just grabbed my torx driver. It fit and worked lol

No. They have been torx since at least gen 4. They may have used something else before then, but all the gen 4/5 models ive owned have been torx.

Interesting. I have a 3 and 3.5" XM-18 and an XM-24 Skinny purchased around 2016-2017. The big ones use 5/64 hex while the little guy is 1/16. Could've been a running change at their shop.

Chris Allison oh wow. I didnt know that. Hm. Maybe you're on to something

The XM’s are hex head, not Torx. The Screws used in the Eklipse, MP1, Halftrack, and Jurasic are T6. And the Sheepsfoot blade used in the XM uses Eklipse hardware so those are T6 also. But Chris is right in the XM screw sizes.

i recently got a 2018 socom elite manual, LOVE IT LOVE IT, But most reviewers always LOVE both the socom and the hinder

I have never owned a hinderer,have thought about it. I absolutely love my socom. Also love my Spartan blades Pallas.

gosmitch Bearings flip the best but can junk up and if the steel gets corroded they can seize up. PB is the most durable physically but needs lubricant so they are more likely to collect junk. Teflon/nylon isn’t as hard as PB but doesn’t need lubricant and is a little smoother.

People complain about bearings on ti but it is not an issue. The liner is titanium as well. Lockbar overtravel is so unnecessary. Triad lock is stronger than any frame lock. But hinderer makes a solid lock. No worries.

IASKWHY yeah the do go out of there way. It simply doesn’t happen. I have never heard of that being an issue nobody has. No pictures no nothing. You couldn’t make it fail if you tried, you will just have to trust me on that. Or look around. If there has ever been an issue someone would post about it.

IASKWHY I’ll go one step further, a steel insert on the lockface is not necessary. In normal use, if the geometry is right it is good for several lifetimes even in hard use. The steel insert became popular because nutnfancy battoned a Dpx knife through a log and the lockface failed. He was shit hot in the community so everyone new believed that was the way to go. But really the lock is less secure with an insert. That’s why hinderer never switched. It’s a peice of mind thing. Which is important when it comes to gear. But I think as you get more and more knives you will come to the same conclusion.

IASKWHY ok. I’m good man. I don’t have anything to prove to you. I understand physics and chemistry metallurgy and most importantly knives. The side load is very small. 10 pounds? If your prying. It doesn’t happen man. Not in a quality knife. I really should know better than to get into discussions like this. 😂. Read the book Bob Terzula wrote on knives if you don’t believe me. Go on now, you got your homework.

IASKWHY and dude a little bit of humility goes a long way. I tried to help you out, give you a little different point of view but you just had to be “that guy” the reason knowledgeable people don’t engage in things like this.

FloorGuys01 can’t be done because you need the two pockets milled in for the space the bearings require. It’s a new knife purchase.

Max Archer You’ll be pleasantly surprised even with the washers installed, it had a snappy action now.

It's not an XM, but my half track flips pretty smoothly now it's broken in, they don't flip as bad as everyone says.

The Half Track seems to flip a lot better than older XMs in general, I tried both models side by side in a store a while back and that was the case with multiple Half Tracks and multiple XMs.

@@max_archer ah fair enough. I've only briefly handled a few current XMs.

I'll tell you why, Rick did that because when the blade is open and you're really digging into something it gives your index finger a place to stay in.... it catches so your hand doesn't slide forward get sliced up

My ZT 0393 is a Hinderer design and has an action as good as the one in the video. ZT makes a better Hinderer than Hinderer, for only $200. 😂

Robert Losekamp The 0393 is really good, I’ve owned two (base model and a sprint version), but it’s not even close to the same level of fit and finish of these new XM-18s. This is coming from a guy who loves ZT to death, has owned almost every model of ZT at one point or another, including 2 versions of the 0392. The current gen of XMs are worth every penny.

@@vanderie8482 Mine's perfect. Maybe I got lucky 😃 I have no doubt that the newer XMs are fantastic. They damn well better be for the price he's asking for them lol. I do love that wharnie though.

*edit* i see now you said 0393. Ya, its a great flipper.

Like Jim says in the video, it's getting the detent tuned just right that makes the largest difference for flipping action. Hinderer has had the detent dialed in consistently for a couple generations now. My Gen 4 Hinderer's both have great detents and thus great flipping actions, not unlike the flipping action on Teflon at 22:50 in the video (he says Nylon washers but they're actually Teflon).

NewAgeofAwesome Beta male knife psychos. Well said.

Looks to be an FN 509 Tactical.

@@robgoose8126 it is. The "ears" around the rear sight is a dead giveaway.

Maybe for a snowflake

Compression lock for sure.

I mean realistically the only time a lock is going to fail you is if you’re doing something silly like batoning with it. If that’s your goal (or you’re making a bug-out bag or something like that), then sure a tri-ad lock might be for you, but a fixed blade would do it better anyways. I’ve used my frame locks to pry with before in a pinch and never had an issue.

I get your point, but Hinderer claims their knives are for "hard use" which is an ambiguous term. What does hard use really mean? I was speaking in more technical terms. Frame locks can technically fail a lot more easily than other lock mechanisms such as the Tri-Ad lock, Compression lock and Lock backs. If Hinderer is going to claim his knives are designed for hard use, why is he then using a weaker locking mechanism type for his knives.

Thomas Connolly I would have to do some research to verify but I do believe the XM pre-dates the Triad Lock, Axis Lock and I know for sure the Compression lock. The knife was specifically designed for fast one handed opening and closing for duty use, so a lockback would not have been practical. Rick also made fixes blades back then, which gave him the initial popularity amongst those in the field, so I’m sure people were looking for a folder while they already had a fixed blade. No one is standing on their folder prying open car doors, so the knife is plenty strong for its intended use.

Thomas Connolly I’ve heard this theorized a lot of times throughout the years. Hinderer however has the best framelock geometry in the world as he sets each one by hand himself. So: My buddy flipped his truck the other day and had it towed to the house. Now this is an older model Ford Ranger... we were standing around the truck admiring his amazing driving skills to be able to flip a truck dead sober in the middle of the day and emerge with not so much as a scratch - when I start feeling my rite pocket and lo and behold I’m carrying my xm spanto 3.5 in fullTi / ti hardware and it’s just screaming at me “go on Chief, stab me through the fucking hood I dare you”. “As hard as you can Please Chief pleeeeease”. Well who am I to deny my XM a bit of fun? - so pulling it from my pocket and with a mighty THWACK i open her fully locked ... and before any one could voice their opposition and try and talk sense into me I yell “FORE”!!! Raise her above my head with two hands and bring her down as hard as I possibly could dead center into the hood!! BOOOOMSCRAWLl!! Wow that was satisfying I chuckle as my buddy’s look at me with a mixture of horror and glee in their eyes for lo and behold my spanto is finger guard deep through the hood and upon retraction not a friggin mark on the blade!! I raise her into the air blade first like I just pulled Excalibur from the goddamn stone!! Far off in the distance we heard angels singing and playing the praises of this magical blade. Boom again Again , again, ---now the door, boom, again again again until I cut the fuckinghandle rite out of the metal door ... nary a chip nor a mark is left on my precious Hinderer spanto but the car looks like it’s been attacked by wolverine! Believe me or not I give not a shit ; but the Hinderer XM18 is one of the most devestating knives ever invented by a human. I will ALWAYS sing it’s praise and never ever sell any of my 5 in my collection as it puts most other pretenders to the throne to SHAME!! Cheers Jim 🍻 ---Have a good one Gentlemen and don’t forget to put your XM in your pocket on the daily.. she’ll cut you out of any tight situation that could possibly arise!!

it flips better. I have four ZTs and this 6 gen hinderer flips better.

If you want a plastic bag to carry your overpriced bare bones hinderer home...it'll cost you $15 probably.

care to elaborate ?

Ryan DeBelak They refuse to do anything different as far as style is concerned... Jurassic, Half Track, Full Track, Maximus...... really??

Jim Skelton suppose I should reword that a bit. They are boring. Unexciting/inspired. The argument could be made that they are function following form, but even if that's the case here, you still have boring 20cv steel. I appreciate the blade design and enjoy the stepped thumb stud details, but with a DLC coated blade and dark Ti back slab... they could have ran black hardware and made it more interesting. As a whole the knife is exactly that.... a knife. But when you are in the $400+ price range, you step into the ring with alot of other manufacturers with far superior design and QC (though you addressed the primary qc concern in the video, and it seems to have been rectified). You get what I'm saying right?

Ryan DeBelak I get where you’re coming from, but Ricks designs really are for function. If you go back 15 years you’ll see that Rick made some VERY artsy knives, quite amazing actually. But he designed the XM series to be used by emergency responders with only function for duty in mind. From there he has offered many finish options and accessories to doll them up a bit once he realized that the general public was buying them faster than he could make them. So he tried to cater to everyone.

Terribly Tactical Good for you. Since it was my money, I chose to buy it without asking for any internet expert’s opinions.

Jim Skelton never claimed to be an expert but being in the industry I've seen problems with em already. You dont have to be pretentious man lol.

Terribly Tactical I’m just replying in kind man. That’s like looking at someone’s newborn and saying “shit, you got an ugly ass baby”. I’ve only had one short range session with mine, 500 rounds, but it ran flawlessly. And no one else I know or any reviews I’ve seen have had any failures. I’m not too worried about it. FN is known to be quality and have excellent customer service. If it somehow fails, I know it’ll be taken care of.

Jim Skelton Nice choice! I've had the non-tac for quite a while now and have thousands of rounds through mine. No issues at all and I often reach for mine over my several Sigs and CZs. Just fits my grip like a glove and tears up the targets

Janus B. Your feelings betray you and make you look foolish. Especially since I post so often on social media (including range days where I’m shooting this and many others) that making such a statement is simply foolish.

@@JimSkeltonKnives I love it! You just used a Darth Vader line on me! Well done!

It's a hard use knife. What the hell do you need with a "sophisticated package?" I own a Hinderer and the box is just fine. I'd rather have the company spend money on the knife and save on the packaging. But I don't know, maybe I'm just not "sophisticated" enough.

Yes but you paid a huge amount of money for an exclusive luxury product and the maker did not bother putting an ounce of effort or thought into the packaging that you paid a huge premium for - the box is cheaper than what you would get with a made in china 5$ knife

Stan Wilson Three are two schools of though. Some people are of tee thought that he could do some fancy $30 pelican case and die cut foam and etched metal COA card, etc, for another $45 worth of materials, and Jack up the price $50. Or just cheap packaging, which is just going to be thrown out, and not pay that extra $50. Either way, you're not going to get it for free, so YOU will pay for it.

Andrew Delashaw I'm sorry but I think this maker puts his products in 10 cent carton boxes to increase his bottom line profit margin --- a premium exclusive luxury item should always come in a worthwhile box - at least to make you feel like you're getting a premium product that you paid a lot of money for and waited months or years for

@@stanwilson7040 Agreed, when you are shelling out for a knife in this range, does a few bucks really matter? The presentation upgrade is almost as overdue as the actual flipper. Hell charge extra, they already have a business model of nickel and diming and $100's you to death for screws, pivots, scales, lanyards, over travel stops, liners, modular backspacer, etc. Lol. Let me add that it is about f'in time to fix the flipper. Only thing left is finally admitting and fixing the old ones. I really don't even care about the cost, I will even pay to fix the design/production flaws of the past! (which I have offered and been denied) I can already hear the "technique" guys queueing up there excuses, but for the love of god. Thank you, it is about damn time. Awesome knife that is a great edc finally lost the asterisk next to its name. Happy belated good job to the crew!

I think as much as anything it's just a way for Hinderer to save face while still giving people the bearing XM-18 they've always wanted.

I think you just don't like Hinderer knives, no changes can change that unless they stop making Hinderer knives.

BigThumpr1 I don’t understand the spite here. Rick has released 3 completely new models in the last year and another the year prior. Why not take their most famous and classic design and upgrade it? There’s no downside. You may not like the XM series, but there is a whole community of fans of the model, and now they get an upgrade to a model they love. Nothing else really needed to be changed.

Jim Skelton there’s no spite. If you do the same designs over and over and over and over, it gets stagnant and boring. Then you do collab with ZT, and guess what, it’s more of the exact same thing, all over again just made by someone else, the market gets flooded with tired designs. Would love for him to get out of his comfort zone, try new things and fresh designs. Again, no spite, just calling it how it’s seen from me and others who are like, meh another XM for the umteenth bagillionth time.

it's the internet they can think past their of trolling hate. I may agree they aren't the best flipper but i can share an opinion in a more respectful way then some of these trolls . personnel the Curtiss F3 i prefer, but it cost more *shrug