I was about to say the same thing. Lol

Yeah, while *everyone* knows, it's a Klein-Bottle containing the Hollow World on the inside :D

People just like to cling to stupidity because, well now I don’t know.

-he set sail the last day jewish people had to get out of spain, maybe the earth is a milano cookie, lol

Ok enough with these jokes ok, we all know the earth is a hexagon

This has also been what I have been able to find.

DrZaius75 and same dude who wrote ichabod crane

Yup

No one with a brain ever claimed Columbus 'wanted to prove the world was round.' Everyone already knew that, Skippy. He wanted to prove you could reach the East by going West. Duh.

Only a little detail of one inaccuracy that make me fun. In the 19:07 of this video appears a cathedral. That cathedral is the cathedral of my town Segovia (Spain) wich was not finished until 1577!!! Colombus death was in 1506!!!

Nailed it. Great writer, sure, but absolutely no regard for history at all.

Dang. Someone beat me to it

@@TheNeonParadox yeah imo though I dont think its writers at fault but the people that present it to the public as real history without making it clear its historical fiction

Doubt

Most history is based on mails People sent, assuming they werent writing horseshit

eso es y además no estaba buscando descubrir America que no se nos olvide nunca

@@maicaalarcon6336 Por supuesto que no. Cuando uno duscubre tierra nueva, raramente es porque lo estaba buscando.

@@kevinwilde3814 jajaja

there is also some evidence that the vikings stayed in north america for quite a while he cannot even take credit for staying there

So no credit for the native Americans

Christopher Columbus's everything was wrong

I agree!

@@consumebeef5900 lol

Ever see Enemy at the Gates? Another travesty against history and accents, haha. Usually, in movies, with all "foreign" characters it's somehow ok to just let them use British accents. All the Russian characters have this, and (if I remember correctly) Scottish or Irish accents are also acceptable, for some reason. Then the main German character, Rommel...was played by Ed Harris sporting his very, very, American accent. Like, he didn't even TRY!

Oh, the accent is laughable. I couldn't take this movie seriously. The guy sounded like Snugglepuss.

+Ionlymadethistoleavecoments France here, a little more accuracy here as if Colombus is still presented as believing it, against the most of the era people (most of them by simple ignorance, or to ensure the church power), we are teached about Magellan proving the fact, not Colombus, and even if I can't remember the name, we even learn about the real guy who discovered the continent, and the idea that Colombus thought all his life or almost having founded east of Asia. His name is the one which came for "America" name, btw.

+Maxime Minimoi Cha-Jdr unfortunately, for how much of an asshole Columbus was, that is never mentioned in schools. it is utterly ridiculous that a SCHOOL portrays this man as a revolutionary thinker and a hero (as opposed to an idiot who didn't believe the math and got lost, and also committed atrocities) what did you mean another person who discovered the new world? are you talking about the Vikings?

"Amerigo Vespucci, working for Portugal in voyages from 1497 to 1513, established that Columbus had reached a new set of continents." Amerigo. you see the relation with America? :p But my bad, Colombus knew at his death because he died in 1506. He even travelled to the continent like in his 3th travel, he wasn't just the first to do so (if you consider the islands as not really part of the continent).

+Maxime Minimoi Cha-Jdr Amerigo did not find a thing. He falsified reports claiming he had and that's why it's called America, Because he flat out lied to claim credit and money. +Matthew Chenault 1. He was not the first European to set foot on America (either of them). 2. He was never even near North America. See Above.

Citrakite you will need to add some proof to your affirmation, to counter all historians and cultural affirmations I've hearded until now (which, them, have proved their point at the time), because in my lectures he have not discovered America, but he have discovered the continent and that it was one, and not an asian archipelago. Without falsifing things.. And yeah I know about vikings, but I don't count them because THEY NEVER CAME BACK. It is for me an evident obligation that to be counted as one, a discovery must be known, talked about, shown and so on, and to be there must be a comeback. And if you're playing the smart one and saying he didn't discover it because there was native, the natives came from Asia. So it's still the first european. But I'll just wait what you have to do, I'm intrigued.

And abother fun fact. Queen Izabela I , even tho she was the one who funded his expeditionwhen she found out about the atrocities, she was disgusted by it and tried to free the natives, but her husband always vetoed them.

And the Spanish king, Emperor Charles V, did not die before he could approve the proposition but actually approved it after a famous debate in Madrid. Slavery was outlawed in the Spanish colonies. However, the law was never fully implemented and circumvented all the time.

To abolish Indian slavery. He didn't care about black slaves, those weren't nearly considered humans at that point

@@TheGreektwelve While it is true that Bartolomeo lobbied on behalf of the Indians (and not of the Africans that already were enslaved), it is not true that blacks weren't considered human. That was a (post) EnlightenmentTM justification.

@@str.77 sorry, might have miscalculated there, my bad. But yeah, Spanish laws and intellectuals wanted to protect the Indians, but the blacks was another matter. Also, while this laws of protection were created, abiding the law thousands of miles all the way to America in places where communication was scarce, was difficult. And human greed sometimes prevailed

Not the first, but a servant of the first.

Not even close to the first

Unfortunately he also suggested that they use African slaves rather than the native people in the Americas and Carribbean. He later regretted that suggestion.

@@emmetpbyrne although TBH, african slaves were common throught the entirety of human history

Why did you convert his name into english then just not try writing his surname

trey kearns 🤣🤣🤣

Damn! I didn't realize this got so many likes. I'm rather excited about that! thank you to everybody, I want to thank my middle school teachers for believing in me, I want to thank my parents, especially my dad for having good sperm that made me, got to thank God and Bruce Springsteen. Could not have done it without Bruce Springsteen... Lol

Lol

Not if you live in Britain 😕

My school district doesn’t give us a day of school.

Segovia is beautiful. I love Spain.

@@TheKos2Kos are you just ranting for the sake of ranting? Your comment has zero cohesion and rambles all over.

@@TheKos2Kos shut

@@c.j.1089 what did he say?

@@c.j.1089 Mate, do you suffer from limited intelligence?

That’s fascinating

Oh please Christopher Columbus is not Pol Pot.

"Bro Wtf Chill" would be an understatement. More of "You monster, what in the name of all that is holy made you think that THAT was justified?" Even the Ancient Romans and Greeks will be shocked by his actions.

Columbus didn't commit atrocities against the natives. He punished his own men who attempted to do that. Many of the things Columbus gets blamed for come from Las casas "Destruction of the Indies" where Las Casas was writing about governors past 1506 when he arrived, yet for some reason all those things are pinned on Columbus.

@@space4166 There were definitely massacres and crimes committed, almost all of those were by Bobadilla and Nicolas De'Ovando, which Las Casas explains in his "History of the Indies". Columbus was gone as governor by 1500 yet he gets blamed for the next 40 years.

@@j.mtherandomguy8701 LOL!!! Hardly. Read more Roman history.

+Zenith Wills In all fairness, to imdb, thats out of ten. so not all that good.

John Long Yeah but it's above average. And this movie is horrible!!! It's well made but it's a disgrace to historical movies.

John Long You're right it's not all that good. But alright is generous for this.

Zenith Wills true but I bet twilight has a better ranking...

John Long Would you believe the highest a Twilight movie got on IMDb was a 5.5? I mean that's good, but also bad.

Sounds like a good plan to me

In the style of Come and See.

The whole of human history is violent and bloody. The indigenous people were brutal themselves. Hv u seen what the Mayans and Aztecs did to the people they counqured.

vaya de terror, como no

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It also because he Galileo refused to give definite proof for heliocentrism which the Catholic Church demanded that he give, but heliocentrism couldn’t be definitely proven until the 19th century.

That and he insulted the Pope right in the middle of the Reformation, when those sorts of things were a matter of life and death. He still got to do research and publish works after his trial.

Or the part where he complains about people thinking the earth is flat. While smacking a ball-shaped map of the world.

"I come in peace, don't mind my blade at your throat, this is for realsies" -Famous Last Words

He meant we come with a peace.

Demitrium He was holding a gun because they were hunting.

Don't forget slavery, and mass execution

To be fair the only thing I liked about the movie where the boats and the scenery.

My fifth grade teacher showed us a documentary about what really happened with his voyages, including the other voyages he made. I was quite surprised to say the least. I remember asking my dad who was a history major if it was all true and he confirmed it (There was a lot of times growing up where a teacher would say something about an event in history that just didn't sound right to me and I would often double check with my dad since I knew he wouldn't sugar coat/ lie to me about it)

Something similar happened in my school, and that was in 1990s Brazil. Fortunately therr too the mytha behind the European voyages and colonization started seeing much better scrutiny and criticism after the 500 years celebration (which in that country were concentrated in 2000, as 1500 was officially the year the sailors reached and started colonizing in the southern hemisphere)

I really wish the US would grow up and embrace our history like you guys.

@@GarrettP130 to be fair Puerto Rico is a US Territory

@@1heKing And i love it like that.

Las Casas' "Destruction of the Indies" is about what happened in the Indies from 1506 to 1544, his time there. Columbus wasn't governor of the Indies after 1500, and one of the principle complaints against him by his sailors was that he WOULDN'T let them do whatever they wanted to the natives. Las Casas even writes that once Bobadilla took over, he let the men have zero restraints against the natives.

@@jameshojnowski8455 I’ll do you one even better: “Truly, I would not dare blame the admiral’s[Columbus] intentions, for I know him well and I know his intentions were good” Bartolomé De Las Casas, History of the Indies, Book 1, Chapter 93 He felt his men were to blame for any atrocities, and indeed it’s been reported that Columbus punished them for mistreating the natives more than he ever consented to any mistreatment. In fact, him reprimanding and even executing them for their abuse is exactly why he was removed from his office as Governor, one of the few things the movie gets correct.

His journals are largely why we know the true level of brutality

Still it seemed like he downplayed the Spanish Inquisition... it was a terrifying institution in its cruelty and pervasiveness. Many people were tortured, many burned at the stake. In the name of religious purity. France was bad enough but it seemed like Spain took it to a whole new level.

@@lynnmartz8739 False

@@lynnmartz8739 The different german inquisitions were far worse.

@@lynnmartz8739 In the 356 years the Spanish Inquisition existed, a grand total of 3,000 people were executed (including the Americas). He correctly downplayed it as it is often brought up as some form of genocide.

Thing about the Spanish Inquisition is that it was more a political reign of terror than a religious one. If there's one thing that we learned about the history of France and Spain it's that when politicians can use the church to do their bidding disastrous things happen.

@@chrishall2594 You're conflating Christians and Protestants lol

Whether the bible said that crap or no, that doesn't make any difference. The atrocities done in the name of that idiotic book are still felt today.

The bible just states we should stone our children to death for cursing at their parents even once. Or that wearing mixed fabric is a capital sin you should die for. Or eating shellfish being a deathsentence, etc. etc. etc.

@@sdsd2e2321 Without it we wouldn't have had the need for the Renaissance, we'd have had the greek philosophers remain, the written records that was burned by christians in Alexandria (the great library), etc. etc. I mean the greeks knew the world was round before the theory was stated a good 1000 years later by some other guy. There's a reason it's called the dark middle ages because of the technological and social regression in the name of religion. Like say, witch burnings and the whole 'suffer not the witch to live'... well the actual translation should be 'suffer not the evil magic user to live'. Aka. people using magic to harm others. not just using 'magic'. We have the british translation for that.

@@kinagrill I believe you're thinking about the laws given to ancient Israel, a theonomy that existed nearly 3,500 years ago, in a very different world than ours. There are many misconceptions about the Law and how to reconcile it with the Gospel. For a better understanding of their relationship, I recommend Sinclair Ferguson's book The Whole Christ.

The virgin Columbus lover ^

Actually there were reports of pieces of wood washing up on beaches on the island of Madeira which was the most western point known at the time. This fueled speculations that there may be land further westward.

​@@wfettichWasn't the Azores the westernmost point known at the time? In fact, I think, about 800km more than Madeira. And Columbus lived and married there.

That did not stop the Portuguese to go east under Africa

And he was dump and bad at math and I kid you he thought the world was shaped like a pear and way smaller (I not sure about the pear thing though if your asking but I hear it from a reliable source)

@@JoDoSa That came later in 1497

@@generalhorse493 yes. But at the time Columbus approach both the Portuguese and Spanish monarchy with his idea. The Portuguese refuse, based on their strategy already in movement of crossing under Africa to reach India. The Spanish, after the Otomans control of the spice trade, decided to enter the race with a different approach, since, unlike the Portuguese, they had no previous experience

@@OrangeButterCream1 yey I thought that to but I thought it would be funny to put it when i heard it on tv and that's why I not sure do to it could be but unlikely

the duellists is pretty good

One of my favourite movies of all time.))) It avoids historical persons and presents personal conflict in a historical setting, so it's a different kinf of animal. But it's so beautiful, just... uh... magnificent movie, amazing camera work. The Duelists, Alien, Blade Runner - Ridley's Trinity.

REALLY good only was Blade Runner - if we are honest:)

I don't know who the heck are "we", but I said what I meant in MY honesty.

Eau Rouge You are right, I change to "I"

He saw what Columbus did? He may not have been governor but the practices he put in place were certainly still there by 1502. Your point is a silly one and goes after De las Casas for no reason

@@ciaranodonoghue7933 His point was Las Casas never personally met Columbus. Also, Columbus' policy of ecomienda was was a forced decision due to the rebellion of his men, he constantly wrote letters to the King and Queen of Spain asking for help to get the situation under control.

@@ciaranodonoghue7933 De Las Casas himself was known to exaggerate details, saying that Hispaniola had a population of 2 million pre-discovery, and was reduced to 500. In addition, he flip-flopped on Columbus in his writings, variously describing his work as being good. He also suggested that black Africans be used as slaves as an alternative to enslaving native Americans. He was not the completely perfect, righteous man that this comment section has made him out to be, nor was Columbus the demon they try to say he was. Both men were products of their time and did good and bad things, and should be remembered for their great actions that took a lot of bravery, rather than the small missteps that we can easily demonize from the comfort of our modern perspective, 500 years removed from the events. De Las Casas held views that were typical of his day, and also made great strides to alleviate suffering of natives at the hands of dastardly men, drawn to the New World because they could not get away with abuse in the old. De Las Casas should be remembered for that. Columbus was no scientist, and certainly had a mixed tenure as Governor. He however did not commit the insane atrocities ascribed to him by modern people, and he was the one that decided to brave the waves of the Atlantic on a voyage to the Caribbean that no other person had done. Even the Vikings, who had stops at Iceland and Greenland, gave up trying to settle in modern Newfoundland. Columbus was the one that bridged the new and old worlds. He is the reason that 1.02 billion people are where they are, and is responsible for one of the greatest and most influential nations on earth springing up. He should be remembered as a hero for what he did, not as a villain for what those who came after him brought, and those actions certainly shouldn’t be conflated.

​@@jameshojnowski8455*cough* bullshit *cough*

Nice!

well, i guess the point was to have a european (with european acent) would you preffered an italian accent?

+Vilja Arató Well, he was Italian. A little effort goes a long way.

he was actually catalan

no he was born in Genoa which is in Italy well actually it was an independent state but he is Italian people think he's Spanish because he was an explorer and map maker for the Spanish government.

or dickbutt...wait, what?

Our chief weapon is surprise. surprise and fear. fear and surprise. Our two weapons are fear and surprise

...and ruthless efficiency. Our 3 weapons are Fear and surprize and ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope.

I can't say it, you'll have to say it. What? You'll have to say the bit about our chief weapons are. I couldn't do that. ( leave room)

Cardinal, bring... THE SOFT CUSHIONS!

it's literally in my workout playlist hehe

Spain did not have colonies. Spain had provinces, with the same rights as in Europe. May be you can wonder why most of indigen population fought by the side of the King of Spain during your independent wars. It was really disgraceful when the criollos took over and exited the Spanish. From that moment on, all the rights of indians, protected by the King of Spain dissapeared.

​@@user-lx1jz2po3mBut we should not excuse or downplay the atrocities that indeed happened under the spanish empire

"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN JUAN!!"

Christopher Lütz You were my brother, Columbus!

“You swore to destroy the natives, not join them!”

Agcortez Cortez says the guy calling himself Cortez xD

“Juan” was an extremely common name then , as today, and was the first name of nearly 25% of the sailors on Columbus’ voyage. That’s a three-to-Juan ratio.

Albert Mendez Interesting!

OH MY GOD YES, TOTALLY...I even went and looked for Carl Sagan´s video to tag so that who ever comes around with the theory that the earth is flat, which by the way I have just fairly recently come across a few individuals that believe so, instead of arguing, I'll just send them the link LOL

A Moye what

Erastosthenes didn't figure out the Earth is round - that was already known (and proved) long before him. What he did was add another argument and calculate the earth's circumference. To claim otherwise is a typical Sagan.

Not only Americans. Even in Europe we where taught the same things. At least when I was in school, thirty Years ago. But I am grateful for the work of scholar's, scientists and history buffs who are discovering the history of the world.

@@old_man_dekyNot just the West, the entire world. The education will naturally be biased towards your region of the world.

America isn't the good guy ya know.

@@aramdeara1 Then who is the good guy? The parts of the world that teach kids that earthquakes, tsunamis, and pandemics are caused by homosexuality and women's suffrage?

Ya, like the true natives people's were white with red hair that were killed off by the "native americans" that crossed the land bridge from Eurasia. Also the clovis people were the first true explorers that came from France 5k years before the eurasian.

The entire soundtrack is great. Stands on its own even without the film. Highly recommended.

Best of the entire movie imo.

@@OneofInfinity. wasted talent.

I love his work. His score for Alexander(another crappy film) is epic.

@A Moye Dude he says that he just likes the music not the movie, which was why he said "Tho", what's wrong with you?

I agree!

Absolutely.

Ikr

I saw this film in middle school. Years later, some video used the music and I couldn't remember where I knew it from. More then a decade later, I found out it was this scoreby Vangelis by accident.

Yup, along with great production and picture it's pretty impressive with the music score. Otherwise the film is completely inaccurate as it was demonstrated. That's just terrible...

Such a waste of great production. If it was accurate It could of been a great movie rather than propaganda.

Except it probably wasn’t, because a lot of those accounts of mistreatment are conflated from later Spaniards that had nothing to do with Columbus. Bartolomé De Las Casas himself wasn’t actually part of Columbus’ journey like this guy said he was, and was known to exaggerate his claims. Many of his accounts of later settlers got mixed up as being accounts of Columbus when they weren’t contemporary with his tenure as Governor. These accounts are firmly rooted in anti-Catholic rhetoric first popularized by the KKK, and are perpetuated by historical revisionist hippies like your teacher, who simply hate everything about western society, and want to try to crumble the image of its heroes. This is exactly what that is. It’s really funny that History Buffs mentions the Anti-Catholic, Pro-Protestant lies behind the modern perception of the Galileo affair and Spanish Inquisition, yet doesn’t do enough research to see that the same kind of anti-Catholic, Anti-Italian hatemongering are behind the modern perception of Columbus. Columbus certainly wasn’t a perfect man, but for his time, and for all history, he did a great and tremendous deed. He brought the New and Old Worlds together. De Las Casas, for his part, also did great things on behalf of the native populations, but was also a product of his time. He suggested using Africans as slaves as an alternative to Native Americans.

Actually it would be quite easy for atrocities to occur without Columbus' consent. Half the time he was in the Americas he was sailing around leaving others in charge. Then when he would come back he would have to deal with Spanish crimes vs natives and vice versa. His punishment of both parties endeared him to neither.

+Fat Dog At this point with the way books and movies have portrayed the medieval world, everyone always expects the spanish inquisition.

+Lord Cottington even tought the spanish inquisition burned like 14 people in its existance.

+Lord Cottington Interestingly, the Spanish Inquisition under Cardinal Ximenes de Cisneros legally gave thirty days' public notice before conducting any investigation.

Yep. And people actually blasphemed so they'd have to call in the Inquisition, rather than relying on crappy local courts.

Anyone who can reason at least as well as a small child: Yes, quite certain about that.

Scandinavians probably didn't know where the fuck they were and they sailed back making the trip to america totally irrelevant

@@extrarradioghetto Noooo not really. it means it was us scandinavians that discovered america first, same with the canary islands and such.... otherwise there wouldn't have been blue-eyed and blondhaired folk there when it was 'discovered' later.

@@extrarradioghetto: They sailed back because there was nothing there worth their time. The northern parts of North America where they landed is pretty much identical in climate, plantlife and fauna to Scandinavia. Norsemen were on the lookout for places with arrable farmlands, not endless pine and spruce forests where you can't grow crops, which they already had plenty of at home.

@@kinagrill Calm down dude, there weren't any blue/blond people found in the Americas. Vikings arrived, made note of the continent and abandonned it, and why wouldn't they, so long from how, it's a resource dump and not worth the bother.

Not quite an omission. The Crown and Spanish court 'were' horrified. His activities shocked even the sensibilities of a class of people guilty of their own terrible behaviour toward their fellow man. It was just the fact that the gold and wealth flowing back to Spain from the new world won out over any kind of moral outrage.

@@Blisterdude123 - Exactly, those are the monsters to which I was referring. Those who play-act at moral outrage while stuffing their pockets with the profits of it's cause. This world seems to always have plenty of those kinds of monsters. edit/add: Oh and yeah, I still think it is an omission as I consider that part, the part left out, to be the part that was truly world shaping.

The actions that Columbus was accused of was brutalizing his Spanish sailors, not the natives. The Spanish sailors were pissy Columbus attempted to force them to live by vows of chastity, and punished them for kidnapping natives. When Bobadilla arrived, he only took testimony from the sailors and none from Columbus.

They were really more upset that they'd agreed to give him 10% of all wealth found in the New World. Which, even so early into their time over there was *A LOT*. Putting him in prison made it easier to get out of sticking to that agreement.

​@@sam21462A monster who does things is a worse monster than those who pretend he didn't, no matter what slant you're trying to put on it.

What the fuck.

@@johanngaiusisinwingazuluah2116 - you must be a 'history buff'.

Amen

This exactly to show what our ancestors did and how we can learn and evolve from it And also by the opposite extreme of that statement we must understand that every one and race has done horrible things and that history isn't black and white (though Twitter can should especially learn this)

@@ImmaLittlePip if we hide what Hitler did people will forget and a new Hitler will rise unchallenged again If we know the signs of how Hitler rise we can resist and delay long enough for his plans to not work

That is correct. 300 thousand is the right number.

Yeah 3 million and 300 thousand is a big difference considering their was barely 1.5 million in the Aztec empire.

@@maximumeffort7096 what your source

@@maximumeffort7096 numbers death is death

revisionists always inflate population figures to support their argument that Columbus was a monster

Haha oh god

Nice catch. I totally missed that.

Because it isn't. Dude is making shit up. I have the blu ray and you cant make out which landmasses they are.

You should see the Directors Cut of Kingdom of heaven. Much better.

Yeah, when he's directing a fictional film he's an amazing director, *for the most part*, but when he's tackling history he just doesn't want to accept that real life isn't as fun as fiction

Ridley Scott should definetly should stick to futuristic settings like Blade Runner or Alien. Cause he's trash at historical settings.

B. A gladiator

@@yunleung2631 Gladiator is an amazing movie but it's unrealistic af.

Horns of the Buffalo tactic was simple but effective nonetheless, why change what works? It only didn't work against volley shot and artillery.

While true, the Zulu did have a warrior culture, and they were fighting a far more advanced enemy, the makeshift armor they had could help protect against a sword if they were lucky, but they would not protect against a bayonet, not a musketball, and certainly not the artillery, the bigger question would have been why not armor when the Zulu were facing primarily spear and club enemy tribes for the past howeverlong the Zulu existed as they were

Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30) They believed that the if the sun and the stars revolved around the earth than it must be the center of the universe. This had to be the case since the bible said, the earth cannot be moved. That's why Gallileo said that famous quote, "E pur si muove," And yet it moves

History Buffs Oh yes I see your point, but I can only come to the conclusion that they just misinterpreted it, it's not the first time its happen. People still do it today and in the not too distant past. For instance, a lot of Christians used to believe that the curse of Cain and Canaan referred to black people because they were slaves at the time and had darker skin, even though that wasn't the meaning behind the scriptures that they used to try to justify slavery. Now going back to the geocentric belief, based on how they were using the scripture at the time its kind of a stretch to the meaning, since it doesn't explicitly say that the earth is in the center of the universe. It just says that its immovable. That could refer to the earth never risking falling out of orbit from the sun, or drifting off into space. Remember the people during the time of the Chronicle period, not just Israel, studied astrology and the stars, so they had a knowledge of the constellations and heavens. So they could figure out that the earth wasn't at the center of the universe. That's the conclusion I can come to after reading it, and analyzing the people during the period.

Religious people misinterpreting their holy scriptures? No way!!! LOL XD. In all seriousness when Gallileo invented the telescope, he actually had proof that contradicted what those religious nutjobs believed. That was why he was a threat. Because it contradicted the Church's authority. If they were wrong about this, what else could they be wrong about...

History Buffs I still see your point, but I've separated the church from the Scriptures a long ago, since the church has always became corrupted at some point or another, and try to use the bible to justify its wayward actions. But I can understand how the Roman Catholic church could misinterpret the scriptures that they preached, because originally it didn't belong to them so there was a lot about it that they didn't understand. The Roman empire adopted it and taught from it only what appeal to them and they somewhat comprehended.

+History Buffs Any real person separates the church from the actual religion,Everyone i have talked to does this,The church makes their own rules and regulations,Really,We don't think we are the only ones in the universe,That would just make us looks like ignorant fools. I'm christian and i believe that there are a lot more intelligent races than us,It would only make sense.

+anyyoingorange link pls

Hawke35 no link really but on twitter tila tequila (pornstar) and B.O.B. (failing rapper) ranted about the earth being flat

+anyyoingorange Oh wow. I didn't even know that BoB had these views. Damn, and I used to like his music. :/

+Andrew Rendon he made a song about it too. It's even pretty catchy in spite of the stupid lyrics.

+anyyoingorange you could actually mark both as failing rappers xD Tila Tequila made rap music at one point :p

The Imperial Combine ahjng ading adurgern

ethan hatcher I see what you did there lol

The Imperial Combine *FINLAND*

bob bread He was from Greenland But ok...

The guys just as bad

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+David Fisher From the samples I heard, I can already tell it far surpasses the actual film.

+David Fisher One of my favourite albums

+David Fisher Yeah is it to bad that the awesome soundtrack have to be dragged down by the movie. Always a bit sad when you see a good soundtrack be attached to a mediocre or poor movie.

+Cythil the soundtrack of this movie makes me want to write a screenplay. A screenplay based off of a really odd idea, but still.

Here's a question for you though; what good is there to be found and subsequently depicted?

History buffs thought the Divine comedy was canon

Didn't he also deny the doctrine of transubstantiation?

Fuck the Bible, fuck the Quran, fuck the gita, all of its shit

@@doyoulikedags3534 Jesus loves you let that hate out your heart

@Santiago Suárez It was actually pretty good. It's been a while since I've been in school though.

Yo my nigga, you have leftovers? I'd like a smoke too.

Cringe

@@ulrichsrebellionroom don't knock it till you try it bro.

Actually its potato shaped :D.

LOL!!!

Ibirdball wrong the conquistadores brought the diseases not columbus.. regardless of that F#%& columbus and F#%$ columbus day !!!!!

@@chapinENnyc They all did.

Europeans had contacts with animals such as horses, chickens, cows, sheep, pigs and so on for centuries. They became immune to many diseases that way. Sadly, the native were not immune and they pay the hard price.

I mean you're right, it was a mix of it all, but it doesn't really make their brutality less abhorrent It's just the problem with religious zealots mixed with ethnocentrism. While there may be some peaceful people here and there, the ones in power and the main flock were always brutal, vicious, self righteous pieces of shit. It's mainly just the puritans and other bible thumpers that started the aggrandizement of Columbus, the pilgrims, and all the other ruthless crusaders, if they did the EXACT same actions but were pagan, they would be demonized and the atrocities called out, but for worshipping the same zombie god they get a free pass, propaganda & historical editing. The flat Earth bullshit is just a whole separate frustrating issue hahaha, it's such a common misconception, humanity has known it to be a globe for 2 millennia, but somehow this sticks around I mean at least the zealots opposing the heliocentric theory eventually gave up, but they still do it today by disputing other facts like evolution, it's just a shitty thing to have people put myths before fact and evidence

Not really small it changes a lot

Way better than the current one

Song name?

@@fedeneder8622 Palladio by Escala

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@@Pablo123456x Fixed

Oh, he was terrible!

Oh come on...how convenient to assassinate the character of a historical figure and forget that however imperfect those "evil" Euro-males (the progressive narrative and strategy to demean western civilization)were, without them the New World would have gone without colonization and development of the New World. The natives would have gouged out a few hundred thousand more hearts from the neighboring tribes that they had victimized (as terribly as they were "victimized" by European conquerors)and little developments such as your PC and IPhone (maybe even youif you are American) may have never materialized. Two thumbs up to his fair treatment of the Protestant propaganda related to the Inquisition. Zeitgeist people...Zeitgeist.

Jokes right? Please oh dear whatever-being-made-me tell me you're joking!

man..... the americans are descendants of europe......... science still would have had flourish and you would still have your iphone and your pc .............. just that developments would have taken place in another country such as england................. and probably american people would be born in europe

do u seriously believe this shit? please as if the indians were fucking Angels ffs

@Brian Smaller but that's impossible

actually it was pretty easy to anticipate as they gave you a 30 days notice beforehand.

I guess you didn't expect to learn that it was Protestant propaganda against Spain.

Columbus was a hero

man of his time stop crying

Not defending Columbus but why are you so upset? He is by no means an exceptional figure. Lots of Spanish and other European colonial leaders did terrible things to the natives

If we had to remember historical people's crimes every day, we'd had no rest. I get the point of having history present so mistakes aren't repeated, but don't you think your take is a bit TOO personal? Are you even a native american descendant? Even if you were... this happened 500 years ago. It's time to grow up.

I'm thankful for Columbus. If it wasn't for him, my whole lineage would have been much poorer and doing backbreaking labor in some backwards european craphole. Same with most of my friends. I appreciate Columbus.

Very glad you have joined the community!

+History Buffs Could you consider to do a video about Gerald Butlers Attila? We saw it in university here in germany to have an near christmas amusement in the seminar about television and history^^

I may do so one day, but that movie is so awful! From what I remember they have bloody trebuchets during Roman times! That really pissed me off lol

+History Buffs Are you planning a review of "Alexander" ?

History Buffs Oh yeah and they called the City he besieged already Orleans I think :D

I saw a documentary about him, which said he was a Catalan...

Not the best claim, but he did spent a lot of time in Barcelona, so we catalans are quite attached to the guy.

Miquel Vico bisca Barca! somes Catalan..

Didnt he have any influence at Genoa?

Actually the vast majority of scholars believe him to be from the Republic of Genoa. He himself claimed to have been born and raised there, the reason fro this being disputed is that the most referenced document is a letter regarding a claim on an inheritance, meaning he could have lied just to get some money, but it is the theory that better fits and the most accepted in the scholarly community. His own son Fernando also claimed that Christopher was Italian, and there's the fact the the guy, while he was alive, sent large sums of money to the bank of Saint George (one of the largest in Genoa) through direct contact with the ambassador of the republic, which would make sense if you consider a citizen trying to get money home through his government's representant in foreign territory. The Genoese themselves claimed him to be a fellow citizen at the Spanish court and nobody contested such claims, so they are accepted as true. And then there's Bartolome de las Casas who in his writings describes "a distinguished man from the genoese nation". There are numerous claims defining him as Catalan, Portuguese, Catalan-Jewish, Greek and even Polish or Norwegian (although I had never heard the Galicia theory before) but all of these were heavily biased with very little and mostly circumstancial evidence and have been repeatdely discredited, many times even by nationals from these very countries themselves.

Maybe actually study the sources rather than the brainwashing propaganda that you have received. Everything you have heard is based on 3 debunked or out of context sources.

Uhhh...why? That's what happened. You can't handwave historical facts you don't like.

Hahahahahaha 😁

"It's Disgusting!"

Lol. Jerard depradu (excuse my spelling) was an it guy for awhile in the 90s

Eeee

He’s even worse than lord farquad

AJW well it's all relative really it's hard to judge the past with the morals of today

genaricname69 Yet he was trialled and sentenced in his own time

Yeah, in Columbus' own time plenty of people thought what he was doing was horribly wrong. Despite his achievements, despite his allies, despite his incredible wealth, enough people still hated his cruelty and dishonesty to bring him down.

@@Nick-mh8uv he was evil by the morals of his day

So why was the district of Columbia and the country named after him before that was published?

Ben Schuster Columbia isn’t a state, it’s a district and it was named that because Columbus was used (very briefly) during the revolution as an patriotic figure (but this was before anyone thought he discovered the world was round). And he country Columbia is because Columbus is a Spanish explorer.

@@jahsiahbowie1120 so he was still reasonably well known before

Ugghhh, the worst part is that a lot of Italian-Americans still protect Columbus when Italy has soooo many other wonderful people to celebrate. Galileo, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Vivaldi, Rossini, and so many more. Instead they choose one of the worst Italians to come out of history. Thank you Washington Irving!

@@Luboman411 Lmao " the worst ", you can celebrate those that you mentioned and Colombus too, despite all this hate for shitty political reasons the works of Colombus should not be burried and " cancel cultured " like you'd love, ya statue taking down mogul

Vangelis.

@A Moye Wait this looks familiar...

@@christiank1251 what does this have to do with privilege, let alone skin colour?

@@Tzar1 Beats me. I wrote that in reply to an earlier entry by a certain "A Moye", which obviously has been deleted in the meantime. Impossible to reconstruct, so I deleted my own post too. Thanks for caring.

It won’t help. They’ll simply brush it off as “what did the ancients know”

"how the ANCIENT Greeks proved it was curved mathematically" they did not, it is said that some greek mathematician found out that 2 sticks in different places cast different shadows at same time. and now guess what , it does NOT prove that the earth is round. see if some ppl wouldnt just take everything for granted what they get told, they would figure out for themselves that this 2 shadows can be easily been cast on a flat earth by a very close sun, exactly what flat earth theory states. all of astronomy works perfect on a flat earth and its proven for millenias. the greeks never believed in a round earth, neither did the mayans, neither did egyptians . even centuries after herastothenes the greeks believed in the prolemaic geocentric world, because everything work just perfect on a flat earth. u can easily go east or west to reach america on a flat earth and u can cast 2 different shadows on a flat earth at ame time by the same sun. see in science something is only proven when there is no other explanation possible and thats not the case. the real reason why moonlandings was faked (uh sry to burst ur bubble ) was to "prove" once and for all that the earth is a sphere. u see the "apollo mission" was the mission to convince and prove to the ppl that the sun is the center , thats why they named the mission after the greek sun god APOLLO .

@@horror11 "2 shadows can be easily been cast on a flat earth by a very close sun, exactly what flat earth theory states." The Earth is at the perfect distance from the Sun it is now to be habitable in the first place. If the Sun was "very close" we'd all be dead, or at the VERY, *VERY* least we'd all have severe skin cancer. Unless you believe the Sun isn't just, you know, a tad bit hot? But you wouldn't be that stupid.... right?

@@joshuapatrick682 so do they think the sun flat? And every celestial body?

@@horror11 Sorry to burst your bubble, but we don't "prove" anything in science. So, you say "flat earth theory" explains all of astronomy? OK.. give us specifics, not generalities. How big is the sun? How far away is it from the earth? Is it a burning globe or a spotlight? Describe the orbit of the sun. Explain lunar and solar eclipses. Explain the seasons, and why they differ in the UK and Australia. What is the moon? How big is it and how far away? Is there a wall of ice around the earth? How big is it?

I have had a few requests for that and added it to the list, I'm just working my way down

Awesome.

+History Buffs Yeah, Alamo's a good one. I'd also recommend touching on some of the big American Civil War pieces, like Glory(1989), Gettysburg(1993) and Gods and Generals(2001); Classic, Classic, and Decent movie, respectively. There are a lot more, and I've actually touched on a couple in other comment sections, but those are my big three.

+The Learned Soldier Agree on the first two, but I thought Gods and Generals was awful. It seemed like it was more interested in celebrating the mythology around Stonewall Jackson than anything else.

I tend to agree--hence why I said "Classic, Classic and Decent Movie". It wasn't terrible--not like this movie, or Kingdom of Heaven, or Arn, or a dozen other movies that make absolutely no effort to be historical or even good movies, but I wouldn't say awful--it's just disappointing to see a director who nailed a similar idea in Gettysburg do so comparatively poorly in Gods and Generals. I honestly think part of the problem was that he didn't have enough genuinely good actors(Stephen Lang and Jeff Daniels and that's more-or-less it, and the Actors for Hancock, Ames and Lee whose names I can't actually recall were fairly good but by no means stellar), so he ended up focusing on the characters he had the quality actors for. People that were as important if not more so, like Pickett and Longstreet and Armistead--people who got their moment in the spotlight in Gettysburg because they had the decent actors to play them. However, I may be biased toward the film because I'm both a re-enactor, a massive fan of the period, and saw it first as the Director's Cut, which includes some scenes that add to the finished product--more training that hooks into deleted scenes at Fredericksburg and gives the 20th Maine a stronger feeling of being new soldiers who got very lucky, the Battle of Antietam(which was fully shot and filmed but was cut from the final movie because it was too long), which touches on some good themes, more scenes giving Jackson character and not just myth, a few more scenes with Hancock and Ames, and so on. So when I saw the movie it was good, not just decent or even bad, but it still didn't measure up to Gettysburg by any means. Do with that as you will.

I agree with you but why even bother to make a historical movie that can be debunked in seconds. I guess there had to be an agenda to portrait this monster as a good person.

No not really

+Facefish yes, yes really!

+Facefish Feel free to explain your reasoning.

+Facefish Uhhhh... What? What video are you watching because I don't think it's this one

Robert Cardwell oh shit sorry i miss read the text he wrote, i thought he wrote inaccurate. of course his show i historicly accurate.

I didn't know either until seeyng this video. And still remember how shocked, horrofied and absolutely disgusted I was after hearing about what he did. He should've been the villain. Not Moxica.

God damn Vangelis! His soundtrack in Blade Runner was amazing too. But then pretty much every aspect of that movie is amazing. Every shot is like a work of art.

That was a very good movie with deep philosophical questions as well as raising ethical dilemmas. It's said that the last scene with Rutger Hauer when his character is dying was totally improvised and the director decided to keep it in for the final cut.

I've noticed that's a trend with awful historical movies. Pearl Harbor is another example of this phenomenon.

hear hear !

phoeniximperator yes soundtrack was awesome.. however movie of lies

Yeah, but Carl Sagan was talking about how they proved it.

The Egyptians actually noticed it first; the Greeks were the first to use mathematics and geometry to prove it.

@@troodon1096 I think it would be impossible to know exactly who saw what first, though.

Bartolome de las casas had a good heart and was a hero fighting for the rights of the natives. He was however used by the protestant English abd Dutch as a way to promote the Black legend and be shown a more moral than spain when in reality were just as bad

Columbus didn't enslave all the natives nor did he slaughter them en masse in rebellions. His first major battle against the Caribs was after a Chief named Caonabo attacked him first. His major rebellion on the island of Hispaniola was from Spaniards, not natives.

you're tearing me apart America!

According to a shitty FRENCH actor playing a possibly Genoese man.

No problem marco, dey natives

I did not enslave all those people! I did not

Nothing has ever been more accurate

You'r not alone.