History of the Drumset - Part 12, 1952

History of the Drumset - Part 12, 1952 - Double Bass

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10 жыл бұрын

While it may seem like double bass is a new evolution in the 21st century, it can actually be traced back to Louie Bellson. Double Bass made its first big splash all the way back in the early '50s when Louie joined Duke Ellington's orchestra!
In this 15-part series, Vic Firth and Daniel Glass will be looking at 100 years of drumming evolution. Learn about the key events and advancements that shaped the drumset we know and love today!
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@brianchisnell1548 3 жыл бұрын

Buddy said, "Who needs 2 bass drums, when you play like a bitch with one". I had the pleasure of Seeing Louie, Buddy and Roy live and they were unbelievable. Great series!

@richardharrold9736 2 жыл бұрын

Buddy was a total arsehole. Great drummer, but not a nice guy by any means...

@johnmoore8812 9 жыл бұрын

I love how happy he looks while playing. Music man.

@bombasticbushkin4985 6 жыл бұрын

He was really emulating the joy with which Louie Bellson played. Louie, one of the finest drummers ever. Daniel is a great pro too.

@christiandaelemans 4 жыл бұрын

a lot of drummers are happy while playing, but as a lot of drummers will tell you, our crippling drum face (weird faces people make while drumming) normally will override any visible joy you might see.

@woodenhoe 4 жыл бұрын

Musicman?

@kapalin846 5 жыл бұрын

Hell yes. Ginger Baker took it to the next level, using two different sizes and tunings. His double bass are motifs are strong and still unique today.

@kapalin846 4 жыл бұрын

Casey Anderson Music Fuck off, I bet you haven’t listened to even a quarter of his discography. Also that joke is lame and contrived.

@SkaMasta097 5 жыл бұрын

Today I learned that double kick drumming originated with jazz/swing and not hard rock/heavy metal. The more you know... P.S. I’ve known for years that double kick is used in jazz and metal, but I thought metal invented it and jazz followed when it’s the other way around. I’m not sure about 5 string basses or 7 string guitars, though like double kick, they’re used in metal and jazz.

@JonnyJayJonson 4 жыл бұрын

I think 5 string bass originated in orchestral music... Obviously they were acoustic double basses.

@lesserbrother9373 4 жыл бұрын

There are 7 string jazz guitarists and it started in the 30's. Look up George Van Eps and Bucky Pizzarelli.

@keithmjali761 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of heavy metal and punk rock's tropes come mainly from blues, jazz, classical and folk.

@HIGHTOP203 2 жыл бұрын

10 strings are commonly used in classical, but not in metal tunings

@Glurbschnurb 3 жыл бұрын

Super tasty playing and great video. I didn't know Duke Ellington was so heavy. One of the things I love most about drumming is how it constantly expands my musical horizon, unlike any other instrument.

@superfuzzymomma 5 жыл бұрын

Had no idea the quads went back to Bellson…..This series is EXCELLENT, AWESOME, in fact. Thanks Glass!

@DanielGlassDrums 4 жыл бұрын

You are sincerely welcome.

@robinghoshmusic 10 жыл бұрын

Presenter is fantastic. I've learned so much from this series! Thanks for posting!

@wisnuops Жыл бұрын

The happiest expression in the series. I can tell why Louis Bellson is his favourite player.

@ralphonofrio1518 10 ай бұрын

I love this series...I had the pleasure of seeing Daniel do a clinic at the Connecticut drum show some tears ago.

@matheusmotta1132 2 жыл бұрын

You can tell how much he loves drumming

@admiralstiffplank Жыл бұрын

I love the sound of the snare rolls on top of the ostinato bass drum! So jazzy yet so metal. It fools you into thinking the hands and feet are playing the same notes.

@megatronstrike 10 жыл бұрын

usualy i skip drum solo, but damn, i loved this one! big props to you!! :)

@williambradfordbaldwin4386 6 жыл бұрын

Nice job Vic very smooth! I was fortunate enough to meet Louis Bellson at a drum workshop at Clearwater High School Florida in the 70's cool stuff, since I put two bass drums together at an early age, and feel naked without them. Also got to meet the great Buddy Rich back then too!

@drumsjt 7 жыл бұрын

Nice video and great tribute to Louie however this wasn't Louie"s idea.Ray McKinley was the first guy playing them in Glenn Miller's band I know because Louie and Ray tooth shared this story with me. Cheers

@BCSchmerker 9 жыл бұрын

Nowadays, Gibraltar/Kaman manufactures hi-hat towers optimized for double-bass-drum installations, and several drum manufacturers market clamps to attach the Gibraltar legless 'hat to a kick-drum batter hoop.

@stikmansmith 9 жыл бұрын

Thank You , Daniel...This series is Wonderful

@DanielGlassDrums 9 жыл бұрын

Jody Smith Thanks! These videos are just the tip of the iceberg. If you're interested in a 3-hr DVD that gets into drum set evolution in a much, much deeper way, check out the DVD"The Century Project." You can view the trailer and order here: danielglass.com/merchandise/

@CusterFlux 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks VF ... extremely helpful series, and Dan does do a great job.

@pagecampbelljr4562 Жыл бұрын

This is great info that I can relate to

@Esperluet 6 жыл бұрын

2:41 Beginning of an incredible show. Merci, monsieur.

@charlesdominic8542 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel. Really insightful stuff that really helps. I also liked your video on history of drum set.

@d1karina 10 жыл бұрын

you're an AWESOME drummer and presenter. Bravo !!

@dibach70 7 жыл бұрын

These videos are great fun and I dig that snare drum sound!

@einsteinalexander7187 3 ай бұрын

You are a fantastic drummer

@maluorno 5 жыл бұрын

that solo sounds like Eric Carr of Kiss circa 1987

@sadiethebaglady 9 жыл бұрын

Nicely done!

@unvergebeneid 3 жыл бұрын

4:53 that look of pure joy is priceless =)

@BluesBrogio 7 ай бұрын

So, Louis Bellson did the Jonh Bonham thing before Bonham! Cool

@markscountlessbarks 10 жыл бұрын

Daniel Glass!! This has been such an enjoyable series!! PS Lefties completely RULE!!

@DanielGlassDrums 10 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more Marks countless Barks!

@angelirizarry2666 8 жыл бұрын

thank you Louis, thanks tou you we have so much good music and great, creative beats in bands like cannibal corpse and gojira, a tru hero

@DanielGlassDrums 8 жыл бұрын

+Angel Irizarry Great - thank YOU for making the connection between a jazz player like Louie and the great metal players of today. We are all CONNECTED!

@Davysprocket213 4 жыл бұрын

The double-bass demo reminds me of Steve Smith's drum solo in "Captured," the 1981 live album by Journey, at the end of the song, "La Do Da." I wonder if Smith was inspired to incorporate Bellson's style of double-bass playing in his solo.

@thepillarsofcreation9170 Жыл бұрын

I love these series of videos! This one would've been a lot better if the demonstration had been with two bass drums rather than a double kick pedal though.

@Petergriffinbigchillin 2 жыл бұрын

So sick

@lucay16 8 ай бұрын

Blasting in the 50's

@jarrahdrum 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you :-)

@grantallardyce5282 6 жыл бұрын

There is a picture of Ed Shaughnessy in the video with 2 bass drums dated 1949...I'm a little confused. Is the point you are making that Louie Bellson was the drummer that brought double bass drums to the fore?

@andreahardee2331 9 жыл бұрын

So, this is where it all started. Drummers like Neil Peart were obviously influenced by Louis Bellson.

@ramon_Huft 5 жыл бұрын

Damn he got those double bass tight af, What the hell

@joeg816 6 жыл бұрын

Good video and solo. Turn up the mic on those bass drums!

@nedspain9294 4 күн бұрын

Sweet

@alencore 9 жыл бұрын

Love that booming big band sound really sounded big just the way it should...so what band or who or what album is that?

@DanielGlassDrums 9 жыл бұрын

alencore Thanks! If you're referring to the opening music, it's a song from Daniel's DVD "The Century Project." It's a 3-hr DVD that gets into drum set evolution in a much, much deeper way than these clips. You can view the trailer and order here: danielglass.com/merchandise/

@brianmcguire5175 Жыл бұрын

Hee left handed correct!? Just making sure my eyes are fooling me. Awesome playing

@alancobain2151 10 жыл бұрын

MR BELLSON TOOK THE TWO BASS DRUMS TO ANOTHER LEVEL BUT HE WAS NOT THE FIRST TO PLAY THEM FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR. GLASS.

@alancobain2151 10 жыл бұрын

RAY MCINLY WAS THE FIRST DRUMMER TO EXPERIMENT WITH TWO BASS DRUMS, YEARS AHEAT OF MR.BELLSON, CHECK YOUR FACTS.

@alexhjhuh 7 жыл бұрын

his voice sounds like Mike Mangini lol

@shiningarmor2838 7 жыл бұрын

Bellson's kit looks sort of like Mangini's as well

@jacobblair2044 4 жыл бұрын

If he has more of a new yorker accent, he’d sound exactly like mike mangini

@fernandomartincom 2 жыл бұрын

Don Lombardi's voice is similar too

@dancingwithnobody Жыл бұрын

Gheeeeezz!! man like

@arame29 6 жыл бұрын

When did double kick come along?

@RandomGuy12562 10 жыл бұрын

why is the video unlisted? Why would I "think twice before sharing" this amazing video??

@VicFirthCompany 10 жыл бұрын

We have all of the videos available to watch at your leisure, though we only officially release one episode a week. This one will be public next Monday. Feel free to share if you would like!

@RandomGuy12562 10 жыл бұрын

Will do for sure! you guys have done an awesome job! thank you for this!

@robertozod 10 жыл бұрын

What kit is he playing? It sounds/looks like a Gretsch Catalina club

@billyjleva 10 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure its a DW classic series

@Cythiamam 5 ай бұрын

Where is part I?

@bizzjoe 6 жыл бұрын

I have a friend with a 26 bass drum kit..

@spercoco 7 жыл бұрын

This series seems to stop at part 15 with the Beatles. I'm wondering what the reason for that is since that was over 50 years ago.

@christopherpederson1021 5 жыл бұрын

Pretty much a downward slope from then on

@Mu51kM4n 10 жыл бұрын

Are these videos mirrored or does he really play a left-handed kit with reverse traditional grip?

@GeorgeBennett92 10 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he's a genuine lefty. All the pictures he shows of right-handed drummers are the 'right' way round.

@DanielGlassDrums 10 жыл бұрын

George Bennett Correct, I am a "genuine" lefty :-)

@Mu51kM4n 10 жыл бұрын

Daniel Glass Cool. I've never seen anyone use the left-handed traditional grip. I didn't think that was correct, thus my confusion. I apologize for my ignorance. Thanks for setting me straight. Btw, I love these videos!

@roybeckerman9253 5 жыл бұрын

Notice he doesn’t use any muffling...thank God.

@adamcraneguilford6236 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Billy Cobham was influenced by Louis Belson this could be off of Spectrum

@d.stiefel869 3 жыл бұрын

Something about your traditional grip looks weird. Almost like it's a little stiff....luckily you're able to get it all out, but definitely different.

@muhammadandreasmuriaperwir8944 3 жыл бұрын

Jazz + metal = Jamezz

@amandamcnicholas931 5 жыл бұрын

HEY! PACHUCO

@97warlock Жыл бұрын

Im trying to find out ............... What ROCK song was the first to use Double bass drums in it??????? Deep purple? I mean double bass as part of the song niot just triplets or fills. like....... a noticable double bass drum bbeat

@lei9483 5 жыл бұрын

not quite my tempo

@drkronenbongsoddities4969 9 ай бұрын

Belson? even though rich did it in 1949?

@fasteddie4107 Жыл бұрын

Louie Bellson happened to be married to one of the greatest singers ever……Pearl Bailey.

@dani_elu 6 жыл бұрын

Better than the rev

@mikeychamp6453 9 ай бұрын

kiryu suit...

@TheWitchOvAgnesi 10 жыл бұрын

Are you naturally a lefty or did you learn to play left-handed for this tribute? LOL

@NelsonMontana1234 5 жыл бұрын

Louie used it as a gimmick for soles. It didn't really have a place in the music. And what he did with them was pretty elemental. Ginger Baker took it to the next level incorporating it within the songs as well as solos. Keith Moon? I can't think of a single example of him using it. I suspect it was just for show. Lots of other drummers jumped on the bandwagon -- Cobham, Alex Van Halen, Carmine Appice -- each making a new statement, but it wasn't until Dave Lombardo came along and where it was taken to another level -- playing the kicks as fast as most people's hands. That, in turn led to drummers using 16th on the bass drums as a part of the rhythm. Personally, I find double bass to almost always be too cluttering.

@NelsonMontana1234 5 жыл бұрын

@@musopaul5407 I mentioned Cobham, but honestly, he wasn't doing anything that a lot of guys wouldn't be able to do if they had two bass drums. Lombardo was the first to utilize the double bass as a specific technique -- doing things that no one at the time could match and taking the process to another level. There are guys today who can play double kick faster than a lot of people can play with their hands! Bellson and Cobham never did anything close to that.

@NelsonMontana1234 5 жыл бұрын

@@musopaul5407 That may be true. I guess I'm thinking of 16ths (and 16th note triplets) at super fast tempos. For some reason I don't think of Cobham as a guy who featured the double bass. He could have used just one and it would have been fine. (Which I believe he used until Birds of Fire) Guys like Lombardo defined their style by the doubles kicks.

@kapalin846 5 жыл бұрын

Nelson Montana Ginger was the man...he deserves more credit than one gets. When the hi hat dropped out, he actually lead with his left foot on the larger bass 22” drum. He properly made use of two different bass drum sizes.

@MrDRUM4LIFE92 10 жыл бұрын

Why does he have the Tom's sounding jazz and vintage and then the bass drum modern and dull?

@hoganbentle3582 8 жыл бұрын

Thats pretty much how they sounded back then in bigband and swing.

@primeporkycut 4 жыл бұрын

@@hoganbentle3582 Not true. They were tuned wide open with a small amount of damping from one or two felt strips.

@rdskn4eva 7 жыл бұрын

Death metal hahaha

@alancobain2151 10 жыл бұрын

I hate to have to correct you mr. glass, but you are totally totally wrong about who pioneered the two bass drum concept, let's give credit where credit is due, and please do some homework. ray mckinnley, with jimmy Dorsey played with two bass drums in the 40's, years before mr. bellson started playing them, try studying your drumming history a little more closely please.

@DanielGlassDrums 10 жыл бұрын

alan cobain Ray McKinley was certainly playing double bass in the 1940s, but Louie was doing so by then as well. And it was Louie's breakout recording of "Skin Deep" that really brought the artform to the masses in a big way. If you can recommend any tracks that feature Ray McKinley playing double bass in the 1940s, I'd love to hear them.

@alancobain2151 10 жыл бұрын

Daniel, unfortunately I am not aware of any videos of mr. mckinley's playing with 2 bass drums in the 1940's but I am not aware of any of Louis's work in the 40's either so I would have to give ray the edge, now I am not denying that Louis took the 2 bass drums to totally new heights, and I have seen Louis many times when he appeared with the jazz at the philharmonic concerts and had drum battles with buddy rich, great stuff.

@SAHBfan 8 жыл бұрын

+alan cobain Louis Bellson made his drawings of a double bass drum kit - drawings that he still has - in the 1930s whilst he was at school, that is the point. Drawings of a kit he later went on to have built and then played live as his regular set-up. That is why he gets the credit for being the pioneer. Allegedly Ray McKinley used a second bass drum in the studio in the 1940s for a couple of recordings as he was struggling on a couple of the songs to play the bass drum part fast enough. Who knows who did that first? Any drummer since the pedal was invented in 1908 could have pulled two bass drums together for an experiment or for a laugh and we wouldn't know about it. Difficult to believe no one did. There is a Sonor catalogue from the First World War era which you can find online which features a double bass drum pedal, too - so the double pedal concept predates the Louie's double bass drum kit by several decades.

@Cythiamam 5 ай бұрын

the first double bass player was black

@TheIntelligentView 6 жыл бұрын

Yah and double bass is NOT double pedal. Double means TWO... so when you say DOUBLE BASS, this means TWO BASS DRUMS, *NOT* two stupid pedals!! The double pedal was a DUMB invention!! It feeds the lazy ass kids today who don't want to spend money on a 2nd bass drum and don't want to carry it. Man... I sure am glad I didn't grow up in THIS era!!

@benjaminheitman6948 6 жыл бұрын

TheIntelligentView ...im not sure why it matters if someone uses double bass or double pedal, it doesn't matter as long as they sound good