"You see all twenty of these Dutch carbines? But wait, there's MORE!" At this point, Othais began laughing maniacally.

Me: I need to go to bed. C&R: You need to watch a presentation on Dutch rifles

They say if you leave a Dutch 1895 alone long enough it'll mutate into another variation. If it's not taken by the Marechausse, of course.

When bedtime is calling, C&Rsenal is calling louder.

Welcome to the all Dutch channel.

4:23 a slight correction is in order. The words here only Cover Royal Dutch East-Indian. The full acronym is KNIL, or Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger (19th century spelling would see a greater abundance of c's, s' and sch's). Also, say what you will about the Marechaussee, but at least they don't eat all the crayons they come across.

Given the shortcomings of the long pattern for the KNIL purposes I started wondering why they didn't just issue all carbines from the get go. Then I realized it was the only way to assure that other units could be issued weapons and not have them nicked by the Marechaussee.

Man navigating all these variations from JUST the KNIL is insane...let alone the rest...i can only imagine organizing, researching, and keeping motivation enough to make this episode let alone getting good takes and reading the script/storyboard correctly

Dutch armory: Which one of our two dozen types of carbine would you like? Marechaussee: Yes.

"we got a carbine for that" t-shirt? Again, another great episode. Thanks for doing what you do.

"We've got a carbine for that." Possible Dutch t-shirt design?

“The 400 millimeter zero was way too long”

Once again, the history of the gun is really the pretext for a complex geopolitical narrative, and I love it. Keep up the awesome work guys! This is the stuff I need to keep me going during the madness that is 2020.

Dutch seem to like the Pokemon model of "every model needs fifteen variation," and they needed to collect them all.

Dutch Armorer: "There you go, soldier. Here is your rifle, and here is the accessory catalogue."

I had never heard of the conflict mentioned at 6:45 . It turns out to the island is spelled Lombok, and the defeat of the Dutch is mentioned in passing in this wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_intervention_in_Lombok_and_Karangasem Othais makes greater play of it than the article does, and rightly so. It was a significant defeat for a European power, and was achieved with Winchesters. Surely that makes it interesting enough for many readers? Karl needs to be told.

My dad used the lee enfield jungle karabijn and a bren in indonesia,he was there in 1947.

The sword you mentioned is called "Klewang". It's a machete type side-arm and it's still part of the ceremonial uniform of the Marechaussee, the "regiment van Heutsz" and navy officer trainees, the so-called "adelborsten".

I'm glad I work nights. Before, I used to have to get up at 4.

this is probably the greatest online library of firearms. keep up the good work!

Great, great work guys, as usual. Also love the grey strands of wisdom in Mays hair! Keep up the awesome work you all do!!!!!!!!!!

I watched these videos when they first aired, and now that I recently purchased an Indonesian .303 conversion I can't wait for the future episodes on the conversion variants (although I know it will probably be years before it happens). Y'all are the best, keep up the good work!

Very interesting part of history. Thank you for your time and humor that you bring to military history

Love how you two work with and explain late 19th and 20th century bolt rifles. God bless you both,🙏🇨🇦

The idea of a Dutch 1895 carbine sent overseas and rechambered to .303 British really appeals to me for some reason. Though I agree that it sounds like it'd pack a punch on the shooter's end.

Glad you guys got around to the dutch. If you have any need or interest, I have a Beaumont Vitalli and a KNIL 1891 revolver in shooting condition if you wanted to cover them at some point.

I know very little about old Dutch rifles and even less about the KNIL. As a Dutchie I'm loving these past couple of episodes. I'm also very impressed with Othais' Dutch pronunciation even though as already stated the K isn't silent. Good job Othais!

I'm having Bergman flashbacks.

Another perfect video to watch while reloading.

The "K" in KNIL was pronounced. I had several relatives that served in the KNIL. All of them have since passed. My maternal grandfather was in the regular Dutch army, and sent (from Holland) to the East Indies (NOI) to fight in the Aceh wars.

Thanks! Another great episode.

I love the exhaustive detail, a labor of obvious love itself. I have just one question: Can SOMEBODY tell me what that lovely cello riff is at the beginning and end of all episodes? Who's the composer? What's the piece? Other than that, I have a crush on Mae and grieve for her shoulder. Thanks! Jeff C.

Splendid video, again ! Thanks a lot !

is really very interesting, the Hembrug of the KNIL I have one myself, and now I know for sure which unit this model used over time

Ironically how the guys who were basically in non-stoping action had to steal guns from troops who were mostly just chilling around

Randomly wakes up at 4 am well i guess I watch the new c&resenal video because I love their work

Comes home from a crappy day at work dealing with general public...(sees new C&Rsenal)maybe things aren't so bad😊

I think a few of those straight-bolt Cavalry Carbines went to the Sultanate of Yogyakarta where it was used by its Bregada (Royal Guard) during the colonial era, from the reign of Sultan Hamengkubuwana VII all the way to Sultan Hamengkubuwana IX . There are pictures of them in the Sultanate's official website showing the royal guards with straight-bolt M1895 carbines. After the independence, under the reign of Sultan Hamengkubuwana IX and present-day Hamengkubuwana X, the M1895 was decommissioned and the royal guards now use SMLEs and BM59s obtained from the Indonesian Armed Forces due to the fact that ammunitions for those type of weapons are still plentiful and the weapons are often used in parades and events where they volley-fired it.

This is the kind of in-depth coolness I love

Thank you for the excellent and informative content

I live close to where a KNIL army base was located during WW2 in Australia, after their defeat in the East Indies. It is interesting to see what equipment they may have had. Unfortunately it had a sad story about the base, when the Dutch Europeans KNIL soldiers imprisoned the native Indonesian KNIL troops within their own camp. This was due to concerns to possible sympathies with the new Indonesia independence movement at the end of the war. Several soldiers were killed during riots while local Australians hated the treatment of the 'Allied' troops who had become friends during their time there.

The Dutch East Indies Army is definitely some of the most underrated aspects of WW2 those people fought to the end against Japanese occupation without any help from the Allies.

Guys...i never had so much history on Dutch rifles/mannlicher...as a Dutchman a learned a lot..thanks for 3 episode of Dutch logic in armed warfare

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.

Me: Ah, I haven't had a drink in a week. C&Rsenal: Puts out video that I can watch tomorrow. Me: OK SURE, I'LL HAVE A FEW BEERS AND WATCH THIS VIDEO RIGHT THIS MOMENT.

Thanks, keep up the great work.

I would really like to see a video about the berdan. I think y'all are doing great work and thank you for reading and considering this,If you do.

The K, in KNIL isn't silent. I'll see myself out...

At 6:12...400 mm zero? I’m sure it was a slip. Great content as always & keep up the fantastic work. I’ve been a Patreon for a while and am glad to help out. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Good stuff! Thanks you guys.

Wow, this posted early. Usually its after midnight in my Mountain Time zone before the newest episode appears.

I comment not because I have anything to say about this particular presentation (although I DO think it a bit of a tease to do multi-part series on the weapons of non-combatant nations before the promised IMPORTANT 1911 episode(s?)), but because C&Rsenal's content is some of the best historical AND firearms video content in the world, it deserves to be more widely engaged with, and Othais (Gun Goliath, perhaps? Gun John the Baptist doesn't roll off the tongue so well, and Gun Paul seems too much like Paul Harrell) assures us that commenting will help achieve that end. That is all; we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

Bravo, once again, super interesting and well done! Lol “nil-set” @ 27.08! On that note, would the K be silent in the army acronym? …Observing also that the Indonesian guns worked in a damp environment…even when compared to the continental service rifles that served in the home country that’s half below sea level!

Bas en Mathieu bedankt voor jullie bijdrage...erg interessante video:)

In World War II, Dutch, British, US AND Australian troops fought against the Japanese invasion. (Australians fought in Ambon, Timor and Java / Sumatra.)

Awesome!

You should make a Dutch carbine shirt. With the caption we got a carbine for that. I would pre-order that.

It's funny how the number of carbines seems to be a perfect reflection of the Dutch decision making process, also called the poldermodel. This process ideally involves going over an issue long enough that all parties involved are satisfied with the end result. In practice however it leaves all parties equally unsatisfied.

Excellent. Geoff Who is glad he's a shooter not a collector...but some of those carbines...

6:41 - 8:30 Got serious deja vu here; I've been researching the Lombok Expedition off-and-on the past year or two lol. It's a seriously interesting conflict. The locals still upkeep General van Ham's grave and it's sort of a Dutch tourist attraction there, even. For anyone interested in that conflict specifically, With the Dutch in the East by Capt. W. Cool and translated by E. J. Taylor is the best resource I've been able to find in English. The full thing's available on the internet archive. Also, 35:50 that's actually really cool to see a photo of a Japanese soldier with a KNIL rifle!

I like en bloc clips. They’re neat and quick to load.

Just rewatched all "Mauser-Schlegelmilch-Mannlicher-Schönauer" Episodes from the Gewehr 88 to the Mannlicher-Schönauer! Boy you did a great research! A few things: The 88 was really refined by Mannlicher (or someone else at Steyr)! Just the smooth bolt face not having to snag the extractor over the cartridge rim to prevent double feeding is a very important evolution! This also gives controlled round feeding as the extractor catches the round as it comes up from the magazine. Especially with the non-turning bolt face it makes these rifles at least as reliable as the Mauser 98 and its variations/predecessors. These actions are much smoother than the 88 is. So I think Mannlicher (or someone else at Steyr) did a very great job on this rude and troublesome 88, it´s not just a Mannlicher magazine added. Because of this I think it´s legitimate to call the Romanian 1892/1893 and the Dutch 1895 and its derivates Mannlicher rifles! As well as the Mannlicher-Schönauer, its final evolution! You mentioned the confusion about M1895 Mannlichers in one of these episodes (Austrian M1895 8x50 vs Dutch M1895 6,5x53 R). I would call them the Mannlicher TURNING-BOLT (bolt-)action rifles to distinguish them from the Mannlicher straight-pull rifles. Mannlicher designed the Carcano magazine. The Carcano clearly emerged from the 88, so IMO it also belongs to this family of rifles. A question I was always wondering: Did the 6,5x53 R and finally the 6,5x54 M.S. evolve directly from the 6,5x52 Carcano? I know the bullet/bore diameter differs slightly with the Austrian cartridges having .264 inch and the Carcano slightly more (.268 or something, I don´t remember). But the cases look so similar! Did Mannlicher / Steyr "steal" the cartridge form the Italians? Mannlicher.Schönauers were famous hunting rifles in Europe, India and in Africa. As is described by Karamoja Bell or Earnest Hemingway for example. In this iteration they were manufactured until 1972 in Austria. Fun fact: Some catalogs of huntig suppliers from the 1900´s show the Mannlicher-Schönauer sporting carbine for about five times the price of a sporterized surplus 88 carbine (and about double the price of a sporting Mauser M98). A less known fact is that the 1892/1893/(Dutch)1895 actions were customized as hunting rifles by famous british gunmakers like Rigby, Purdey or Holland&Holland. They are very rare and high priced today. Othias and Mae: Would you like to make some off the line subseries of famous sporting rifles derived from WWI era bolt actions? I´m sure I wouldn´t be the only one to appreciate such a project! I can join in a M1908 Mannlicher-Schönauer chambered in 8x56 M.S. and a M1910 Mannlicher-Schönauer chambered in 9,5x57 M.S. But you would have to come to Europe to film it for the show ; )

My grandfather served with the KNIL, later field police. I dont know excactly how long but several generations of my family was born in the Dutch East Indies. My grandfather and his family was not interred because he was a police Inspector and he was supossed to catch thieves.

This was easily the best rifle series yet.

You forgot the "L" in "KNIL" which stands for "Leger" or "Army" in English. Also the "K" is not silent.

I have to correct you on the pronounciation. KNIL is pronounced with the "K". I know it might be ridiculous for English speakers. But hey, it is the Dutch we are talking about, here.

This! ...is what I needed. It answered many questions and opened a whole new can of worms.

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"She took a six o'clock hold." So what did you guys do until then?

Great thanks! I hope that you will find Berdan N2!

Can you please do an episode on Dutch sling variations? not sure your brief explanation of the material is enough.

This is making the Lee-Metford/Enfield patterns look simple.

Othais 2021Colt 1911 and other 2020 Shoots are going to Set you Back long way ,so get an head for those Rainy days. Great Film on these Dutch/Indonesia Weapons Hope to see 0.303" Carbine shot one day, Get Mae and Shoulder Brace. Me and Big Mouth, End Credits will tell you more

Uhm, sorry to correct you @C&Rsenal, however the K in KNIL isn't silent! So it's like Canuck (for Canadian), however then K^NIL (as a single word). Oh and it's not Genie, it's Ge-nie (two syllabals)... Hope you don't mind, enjoyed the video(s) very much :-)

The Netherlands military equipment selection & developmentv process makes that of the US & UK look sensible. All they needed was a long gun and a shorter gun JOB DONE

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Goodness gracious. I don’t even want to think about how Crozier would have reacted to the mess that is Dutch rifles had he been in charge after all this mess had happened

Now thats a painfull Dutch periode... the KNIL... but this is just another great rifle in another a great C&R ♥️

14:30 I wonder if the L cut is to make it easier to rout out the shape. Instead of being a blind cut you have an entry point to make the cuts. But that’s modern wood working thinking, I’m not aware of how wood working was done in 1896.

Sure wish I had known all this when I used to go to Springfield Sporters back when they had racks & racks of the things.

Me: I need to go to bed C&R: I guess you’ve been wondering where I’ve been

I think a 400mm zero involves using the point of the bayonet to feel for targets.

Love you guys

Much amused and entertained by this part three episode on the specifically archipelagic multiplicity of derivatives branching off from the already bushy Dutch 1895 family tree. Hearing the acronym for the Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger - KNIl, pronounced as ‘NIL,’ set this somewhat regionally over-specialized now-retired linguist to musing on the validity of that obviously anglicized pronunciation. Not having any recent formal training (none more recent than 1970) in western or northern Germanic languages, I plugged ‘Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger - KNIl’ into Google Translate to see what pronunciations would be suggested at the cutting-edge of automated translation. The Dutch, Afrikaans, German, Icelandic and Norwegian pronunciations all treated ‘KN’ as a consonant cluster with no inserted vowel; Danish and Swedish inserted an ’0-AW’ diphthong between the K and the N’. The English offering dodged the question by reading out the acronym KNIL letter-by-letter : “K-N-I-L’” So, if one is so inclined, there is a case for the preservation of the ‘KN’ consonant cluster. If one is more inclined to follow the easier path of late-stage Anglicization, the latin sounding ‘NIL’ offers the bonus of describing the post WWII fate of the Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger.

What is the name of the Mae shooting segment song this time? How do you guys always find these old songs?

Love your videos. especially about the dutch manlicher family which I am making in scale. One thing however. the K in KNIl is a hard K, so it should be pronounced as such. keep u the good work, you've got another subscriber.

Being a former Marine, I appreciate the US Marine analogy, lol.

i am commenting to help this video reach more people

Can anyone provide the source of Winchester and Spencer's usage by Balinese forces?

I've been seeing a lot more of the Indonesian 1954 .303 conversions lately on the market

The holes are for reducing the recoil (for the lighter native soldiers).

Yesss finally!

It’s a good thing the Dutch were neutral in WW1, I have no idea what logistical nightmare it would have been to track all of these rifle and carbine variants through the system had they needed to mobilize to the frontlines.

Fay beardy guy makes me listen. I like it. Am I simping for C&Rsenal? Maybe.

Just for those that want to pronounce KNIL right....the K isn't silent. I know this might be common in English, but it's not in Dutch.

I got a bayo for my dutch 1895 inf. Rifle but the latch is on the other side, whats up with that? i considered cutting a new groove in the lug but nope aint gonna do it.

if i remember correctly is not that genie is zeni? edit: as far as i remember the early indonesian army basically get their ww2 riffle practically remnant of KNIL forces, PETA(make me chuckle ) issued by japanese, scavenging from the british, etc

Dutch:”There’s a carbine for that.” Modern day Apple: “There’s an app for that.”

A joyful end for the Dutch Schlegelmilch Carbines Saga*. *In The Great War.

What is the song during the shooting scene?