The Hoffman #40 Single Pipe Steam Radiator Air vent is shown in cross section, as are other models of steam air vents. How do they work? What is their purpose?
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@cloudmover5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I was interested in the construction of these valves and your videos fit the bill perfectly! Three years ago, as a first time homeowner, we purchased the cheap "IPS Angled Adjustable Steam Radiator Valve" to replace the broken one on our bedroom radiator. It split right along the seam a few weeks back. Sounded like a whistle train when it failed. Three years in service isn't too bad but, I figured that there must be better models. We just purchased a Gorton replacement.
@eegg6954 Жыл бұрын
A real American one lasts 70 years.
@theodorgiosan25706 ай бұрын
I've found that there are 2 variations on the cheap USAV-884 vent. The smaller diameter one with the small adjustment screw, and the larger diameter one with the large adjustment screw. The large one is of considerably better quality and I have actually found they do a much better job of sealing against wet steam than others. At least until the bad near boiler piping can be fixed. The Durst SRV from Lowe's which is a Gorton clone is also useful for balancing a system. It comes with every size of orifice for $10. Would I use these on a properly running system, probably not. But to limp a leaky boiler through the winter they absolutely work, as well as to balance a system without buying a bunch of expensive Gortons. When they break they can be replaced with the real thing, now that you have an idea of what vent should go where.
@H1tman474 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gordon! Very informative video!
@Bob.W.5 жыл бұрын
I still use Hoffman 1A's but use Gorton nos. 1 and 2 for mains and for hard to vent rads that are further off the mains and risers. 40s don't seem to vent fast enough, although sometimes slow is good. Thanks.
@anthonypierre2094 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you compare other models
@scottl59103 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing us the insides of these vents and how they work! Much easier to see than “theory” or drawings in a book. And how do you get such nice cuts when you cut them in half???
@gordonschweizer51543 жыл бұрын
Thanks! So glad it was helpful. I usually cut open two vents, one is cut open just to remove the inner part, and the other is cut longitudinally with a fine-toothed band-saw.
@keysgrey967 Жыл бұрын
Very useful video. We have a steam radiator on the 4th floor that lets out air very very slowly. Is it possible to move the air out faster by adding 2 vent valves or a different one that moves air out faster?
@gordonschweizer5154 Жыл бұрын
You could try a faster vent. What do you have on there now? Sometimes, improving the main venting in the basement helps overall. Sometimes, adding a dedicated "riser vent" can help get the air out, then a relatively small vent can work. If you go with too fast of a vent on the problem radiator first, it might cause it to spit and grumble (ie it's possible to over-vent a radiator)
@Vic-kv1rg4 жыл бұрын
Have you tested that Hoffman 2A valve to see if it holds vacuum?
@gordonschweizer51544 жыл бұрын
We have about 20 new/old stock 2A Hoffman's. I tested them all. Four failed to hold a vacuum. Of those 4, two out and out leaked from the bottom seam from poor solder joints! Pretty high failure rate. "They don't make 'em like they used to" isn't always true.
@dacw37683 жыл бұрын
I have hoffman 1A in my home my local dealer only have Hoffman 40, are the 40s ok to replace the 1As?
@gordonschweizer51543 жыл бұрын
Hard to answer without knowing a bit more. Is your 1A failing? Does your radiator heat ok with that 1A? What setting is your 1A on? The Hoffman 40 is a slower vent (generally) than the 1A. Are your main steams large enough?
@janimara35783 жыл бұрын
How would you know if the ones you have, need to be replaced or not ? Thanks in advance.
@gordonschweizer51543 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your question. Here are a few thoughts, by no means comprehensive: A Radiator vent would need to be replaced for several reasons. One would be if the radiator does not heat at all. If you remove the vent while the boiler is making steam, and the radiator starts to get hot, the vent *may* have failed shut or had a drop of paint in the vent hole. (Painters are good at that.) If the radiator heats, and the steam reaches the vent and steam continues to vent from it, the vent has failed open and, after shutting off the steam, the vent needs to be replaced.
@amradco5 жыл бұрын
Another good one, Gordon. Have you been using Groton vents?
@gordonschweizer51545 жыл бұрын
Yes, I often use the Gorton #4, one of the slowest vents I know of, on small or over heating radiators. Gortons are well made vents that work on a different internal mechanism from the Hoffman #40. I hope to make a video on Gorton vents soon!
@kirstynpeterson46398 ай бұрын
My steam radiator has the standard Hoffman vent but the apt building is pre-war so the vent threads on the radiator itself are old and corroded so that it doesn’t tightly lock into place. Tonight the steam/pressure blew the Hoffman vent off of my radiator and now my bedroom is a sauna & the radiator is spitting water. Called my super but any tips on the interim? I’ve already tried tape on the vent threads and pitching the radiator as much as I possibly could
@gordonschweizer51548 ай бұрын
If the 1/8 NPT threads in your radiator are worn out, very likely a skilled plumber will need to be summoned to drill out and re-tap the raditor to 1/4 NPT and install a 1/4 x 1/8 bushing. In the mean time, the radiator will need to be shut off.
@jeffreyjohn20372 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be installing a main vent on a small one pipe system. I'm thinking, Gorton #1 or a Hoffman #4A. There's a 1/2" tapping conveniently located on a tee, 15" from end of the dry return before it drops to the Hartford loop. Which vent would you choose?
@gordonschweizer51542 жыл бұрын
Is that your only main? If so, I'd go with the Gorton #1 over the #4A. The 4A has pitiful air venting. How long and what size are your mains?
@jeffreyjohn20372 жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 yes, only one 2" main. About 30 feet long. 1" dry return. 2+1/2" header, 1+1/2" equalizer. Two story cape. New SGO-3. Going back to skim next week and install the new main vent.
@jeffreyjohn20372 жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 just ordered the Gorton No.1 ☝️
@mrguystarr2 жыл бұрын
General question... as a rule of thumb how often should someone replace the air vents?
@gordonschweizer51542 жыл бұрын
They *should* last for years. If they let steam escape, they should be replaced, of course. If they don't let air out and the radiator doesn't heat, the vent should be looked at, at least. If the rate of vent failure seems too high, make sure your main vents are working and big enough. Make sure you are running at low (less than 2 psi) pressure. Also, stick with good quality vents.
@m.eduardo92905 ай бұрын
My hoffman No 40, air steam vent, has started to spit water. I don't know what else to do because I have taken water that was inside, but it's still doing the same.
@gordonschweizer51545 ай бұрын
Is this at your house or your condo? What pressure are you running your system? What is the water level at the boiler? It might also be a failed vent.
@zenchoctaw Жыл бұрын
Should the valve point up or down ( the hole at the end) when connected to your radiator? Does it matter?
@gordonschweizer5154 Жыл бұрын
The air vent hole should point up if you want the vent to work properly. If you so desire, you can shut off the radiator by installing the vent with the hole pointing down.
@zenchoctaw Жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 Thank you for your reply. I found the radiator didn't work when it was pointing down. The maintenance man said it should point down and I didn't believe him.
@madfran64 жыл бұрын
The Bob Ross of heating.
@gordonschweizer51544 жыл бұрын
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@sunsmusic5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! It's very helpful! One question, one of the #40 vent in a radiator in my home is getting very loud recently. Is it normal? Thanks in advance!
@elgordo2715 жыл бұрын
Hmm, probably not. So, question for you: Does that radiator heat all the way to the vent? If it is still hissing when the vent is almost too hot to touch, that indicates the vent has failed to close properly. It may be time for a replacement. Save the old vent and try putting it in a vinegar bath, that may restore it if it is foreign matter that got stuck under the seat. If that inner container has lost its "juice", then the vent is scrap. Also, check to see if your overall steam pressure is set as low as possible and your pigtail under the pressure control has not clogged up.
@danielpelc37795 ай бұрын
Any advice on how to size air vents for heating coils for roof top units? Got a new job recently and finding a lot of screwy stuff here and I’d like to make it right.
@gordonschweizer51545 ай бұрын
Two Pipe or one pipe?
@gordonschweizer51545 ай бұрын
For roof-top units, the big thing is to make as sure as possible there is no trapped water in the coils, pipes etc at the end of the heating cycle. Proper slope, vacuum breakers are needed esp if there is a zone valve!
@danielpelc37795 ай бұрын
It’s two pipe with modulating valves. I noticed the air vents were leaking and then realized instead of having one vent and one breaker there were two air vents. So seems to me somebody has been doing a lot of guessing here. I’ll be doing a full run down of these machines in the spring and hopefully get them back to their former glory
@modeman698 ай бұрын
Do u recommend this #40 air vent on vintage radiators ….. the boiler I have is from 1960 (peerless) …. A couple of years ago I needed up buying Dole air vents .
@gordonschweizer51548 ай бұрын
The answer is... It depends. The #40 is a fixed (non adjustable) relatively "slow" vent. A large radiator, column type, might heat up more with a faster vent. A tube type radiator might heat up just fine with a slower vent (there is less air in a tube type raditor of the same EDR) Where there is Air, there CANNOT be steam. Make sure you have good steam main vents such as a Gorton #2.
@modeman698 ай бұрын
👍👍👍thank you
@joshr94172 жыл бұрын
Hi Gordon, I live on the 3rd floor and have steam heat, would you recommend the Hoffman #40 for all 9 of my radiators? As it is now I have those cheap Maid of the Mist ones and some radiators are not heating.
@gordonschweizer51542 жыл бұрын
Did the non-heating radiators ever heat? Or did they stop heating recently?
@joshr94172 жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 Yes when I first moved in they did heat, then I had all the air valves changed one summer because I had a few that were hissing, seemed that would be a good upgrade. Unfortunately I used the Maid O Mist ones from the local hardware store.
@gordonschweizer51542 жыл бұрын
@@joshr9417 What size orifice do you have on the M-o-Ms now?
@joshr94172 жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 Its the one that came with the valve the M-o-M Jacobus Steam Vent Model C.
@joshr94172 жыл бұрын
I had one radiator in my bedroom that was totally cold, I just replaced the M-o-M with a Hoffman 40 and it sprung back to life after being cold since I moved in 2 years ago!! Its a miracle!
@yangy8783 Жыл бұрын
can i replace a hoffman n40 with any other Gorton if i don't like this design? my large living room radiator is not heating up. maybe got water in it. the coming neck area is warm/hot, radiator is cold.
@gordonschweizer5154 Жыл бұрын
Did the radiator in question heat before and now it doesn't? Is the radiator valve open all the way? If yes to both, try removing the Hoffman 40, shaking out the water & putting it back.
@yangy8783 Жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 probably it wasn't heating up before, because of water blocking that steam coming pipe. it was never a concern since the living is not the coldest area. actually, i did a vacuum on those shredded off pain chips yesterday, and twisted that stop valve a bit(its fully open clockwise, not sure if any thing broke in there). it has some play after that day. maybe is not real hot, because the room temperature has reached up to 71 on its setting, and the steam stopped. that vent been wising tho. could Hoffman No40 be replaced by a gorton #4 or something, that venting hole size look similar. unless that radiator is design for that type of vent for easier shut off.
@gordonschweizer5154 Жыл бұрын
Did I understand you that the valve is "fully open clockwise"? I think it is supposed to open when you turn the handle counter-clockwise?
@yangy8783 Жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 uhoh.
@yangy8783 Жыл бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 well, its the stop valve. people who used to live here turned it off/my brother did it, thanks
@eddiew.64852 жыл бұрын
Quick question, Gordon…….do you recommend cleaning these on occasion using the “ Soak in Vinegar” method?
@gordonschweizer51542 жыл бұрын
I myself have not had much success using the vinegar soak method. That does not mean others won't. It's always worth a try. I have seen where boiling Hoffman #40 vents in vinegar has nearly stripped the plating off of newer models
@jeffsmith20222 жыл бұрын
Never buy junk steam valves from any big box store, go to a plumbing supply house...
@gordonschweizer51542 жыл бұрын
"Only rich people can afford to be cheap" is what I've been told.
@MrSexxxyDevil6 ай бұрын
Hi, I just had a radiator service and had Hoffman #1As replaced with #40s and since this they all whistle and sputter. I can see steam and little droplets of water sputter out of the hole and eventually it just starts whistling, like a tea kettle with steam coming out of the hole. Do you know if this is normal? I didn't have this issue with the #1As.
@gordonschweizer51546 ай бұрын
It may be you got stuck with some bad vents. Others are recently reporting in on this channel the very same issues & are being told "you are the only one reporting this problem".
@MrSexxxyDevil6 ай бұрын
@@gordonschweizer5154 That's unfortunate. I suppose I will have to see what I can do about getting these replaced. Thanks for your feedback!
@gordonschweizer51546 ай бұрын
@@MrSexxxyDevil Hoffman has been making quality steam vents for over 100 years. I do sincerely hope you get your problem resolved and Hoffman gets back on track.