Honda 7000i vs EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra: Ultimate Generator Showdown

Honda 7000i vs EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra: Ultimate Generator Showdown - Gas or Solar Power?

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6 ай бұрын

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Join Wranglerstar, as he dives into an in-depth comparison between two powerhouse generators: the Honda 7000i Gas Generator and the EcoFlow DELTA Pro Solar System. Discover which generator stands out in the ultimate battle of gas vs. solar power.
Honda 7000i Gas Generator:
Pros: Renowned for its reliability and high power output, the Honda 7000i is a beast in the world of gas generators. It offers consistent energy supply, especially in areas where sunlight is limited, making it ideal for heavy-duty tasks.
Cons: The dependency on fuel and its associated costs, along with environmental concerns, are notable drawbacks. Regular maintenance and noise levels are also factors to consider.
EcoFlow DELTA Pro Solar System:
Pros: The EcoFlow DELTA Pro shines with its eco-friendly energy generation. It's remarkably efficient, quiet, and perfect for environmentally conscious users. The flexibility and portability are big pluses, especially for off-grid living.
Cons: Solar dependency means its efficiency can fluctuate with weather conditions. Also, the initial setup cost and the need for sunlight exposure are considerations for potential users.
In this video, I, Wranglerstar, will walk you through each model's features, performance, and suitability for different scenarios. While both the Honda 7000i and the EcoFlow DELTA Pro have their distinct advantages and limitations, I conclude that having both could be the ultimate solution. They complement each other exceptionally well, covering a broad spectrum of energy needs and scenarios.
Whether you're an off-grid living enthusiast, a professional needing reliable power, or someone preparing for emergencies, this video will guide you in choosing the right generator for your needs.
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@wranglerstar 6 ай бұрын

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@doto9110 5 ай бұрын

I have a question do you smoke cigars

@m7877 5 ай бұрын

@Wranglerstar I don't think your title is very good for this video. You didn't do very much comparison to the 7000i, and the comparison you did make just caused more confusion, as you can see in your comment section. Both generators have the capability to output roughly the same wattage, although you call the DPU a 6kw 1:35 . While i know you were mistakenly referring to the battery and not the inverter capability, less advanced users may not know. If you want to have a "Vs" video, then why wouldn't you have the generator run a load on a full tank and the DPU do the same task. Why? Because this is a half-baked video so you could get your check from ecoflow. Please do your due diligence in future endeavors to bring QUALITY content to your viewers. Thank you.

@brnbbd 5 ай бұрын

Have you revisited Oliver Anthony? You bashed on a solid, God loving man who uses his platform to preach the betterment of the country. I still can't believe you said the things you did. But I know everyone makes mistakes, and you have the opportunity to be humble and admit you didn't give him the respect he deserves.

@jessstone7486 5 ай бұрын

@@m7877 I appreciate this view, thank you. I too noticed he gave very short shrift to the Honda, he was all about the EcoFlow. So it really is not a vs video.

@mattguyver9161 5 ай бұрын

I'm currently weathering a 6 day Winter storm with virtually no solar- VERY glad that I'm not relying on a DELTA Pro.

@myhtcevo4g 5 ай бұрын

That's why he said it's good to have both

@cxsey8587 3 ай бұрын

You could always hook a genny up to the battery to top it up when needed

@johnnyhotrod 3 ай бұрын

There’s a place for both.IMHO you can’t have enough backups when it comes to power

@brandons42472 6 ай бұрын

Each Ecoflow battery is 6kwh, not the same as a 6kw generator. For some people with families that want to live a “normal” life that may only last half a day where the generator can output 6kw continuously with fuel. Probably a good idea to watch your electric meter or review your bill to see what your specific usage is.

@davidanglin4979 6 ай бұрын

This….this comment highlights Cody’s statement at the end that he doesn’t understand all this. The Honda generator, assuming you have fuel, is rated for 5000 continuous watts. The Ecoflow in that setup, will give you 6000w for one hour. After that, assuming you have full sun, you will be limited by the solar panels at 600 watts. I’m not against solar solutions and having backups, but if we are going to see a real “showdown,” fill those circuits up and let’s see how long each source can provide power.

@JG-yk6ny 6 ай бұрын

@@davidanglin4979 you can always add more panels and have extra reserve batteries. Cody has built a system that will cover his limited usage here but these systems can be built well beyond what a normal family would need. It is expensive but the peace of mind compared to needing gas if SHTF could be worth it to some.

@kelstr 6 ай бұрын

@@davidanglin4979 You are incorrect.... the DPU can produce over 7200 watts of power... and the storage is 6kW. (with just one battery mind you).

@kelstr 6 ай бұрын

@@davidanglin4979 the DPU can take 5.6 kw of solar input... not 600 watts. So during the day if you ran 5600 watts as a draw and pushed that in with solar... your battery wouldn't be diminished at all. Mind you that's not going to happen with solar... but then again you also won't be running a continue draw at 5600 watts either. It's all about energy usage.

@rainmannoodles 6 ай бұрын

This also highlights why having *both* is still good. For normal usage, the battery is going to be better - quiet, solar input, and better scalability and less wasted power (although good generators can be relatively efficient). In an extended "grid-down" outage, the battery is great as long as you either have enough to get through the *entire* outage, or *as long as solar can keep up*. And yes, it's quite surprising how many batteries you actually need to run basic appliances for just a few days. Additionally, in the winter or in cloudy/rainy conditions you may need a lot more solar panels than you expect because you're not going to get nearly the rated output. So either way, it can get very expensive. But if you combine a moderately sized battery with a gas generator, you can run the generator in bursts to keep the batteries charged to get you through the extended outage. Storing large amounts of fuel (if you have space) is a *lot* cheaper than building a battery system that's massively over-spec for daily usage just for those occasional extended outages. In the end there is no one best solution, you have to do the math to determine what you need for your requirements.

@brandons42472 6 ай бұрын

For the 90kwh setup it would be $50k if you can do everything yourself… I get the independence factor but that would be about a 20 year pay off period vs the grid for me. That assumes the batteries last and I know my power tool batteries only make it 5-7 years.

@steveanimatrix3887 6 ай бұрын

Right, and you can get 5kwh 48v rackmount batteries for $1200 ea. Also plug and play. They slide into a rack (totally modular) and have a + and - bus bar they all connect to and an ethernet cable that goes to each battery. So for $50k, you could get 200kwh of storage plus $5k for a 12000w inverter (2x the output of this ecoflow). This ecoflow is very expensive stuff. Seriously...just a few extra cables to plug in for "diy" and you don't even have to mess with building a battery from scratch.

@sociopathmercenary 5 ай бұрын

Well I think you would be much better off going with a EG4 setup, the batteries in both are lithium iron phosphate... A much safer and longer lasting chemistry than the lithium batteries in your power tools. 10 years of daily discharge should leave you at 80% capacity still

@myhtcevo4g 5 ай бұрын

Lifepo4 batts have a higher life than li ion

@timezone4907 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info Cody How much for just what you have also how much for 90kw ? Sunshine is free buut KW’s aren’t. Thanks again I watch your channel it’s very informative and entertaining please keep it going.

@Shade_Tree_Mechanic 5 ай бұрын

@@myhtcevo4g Yeah they're leaps and bounds ahead of LiPo. Including withstanding "extreme" temperatures. Especially when combined with a good charge controller.

@seroxide 5 ай бұрын

I have a 7000 run watt Predator that I bought about 8 years ago. I have it in my storage building where the exhaust and electrical are plumbed outside. It connects to my main breaker panel through a 30 amp breaker controlled with an interlock for safety. The total cost for the whole system was about $750.00. I got the generator when it was on sale for $499.00. It's only been used 4-5 times and worked flawlessly. I start and run it under power for about 15 minutes every quarter. A home backup system doesn't have to cost a fortune.

@bluetrue6062 5 ай бұрын

Most of us can afford your setup. Outstanding choice. 😊

@yeboscrebo4451 5 ай бұрын

My only concern with that is the dependency on gas. There are a million things that could happen to the gas supply when shtf

@seroxide 5 ай бұрын

@@yeboscrebo4451 That's definitely a possibility. My main reason for installing it was for weather related incidents. Between my work van, pickup, wifes car, and 20 gallons of spare fuel in Jerry cans I can store about 90 gallons of fuel. That's about enough to get me by for a week or so if I manage the run time. So far the longest I've needed it was 19 hours when the transformer for my house blew up during a heat wave here in Texas. I was able to get by with two window units and it wasn't bad at all.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

I owned probably 8-10 different predator engine products until i just gave up on them. The savings is not worth the poor quality of them. Some of them died with less than 100 hours of run time and i do regular oil and filter changes

@seroxide 5 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be - Mines only got about 60 hours on it, so I may be in for a surprise. So far it always starts right up. I always run the carburetor dry and and change the synthetic oil every 2 years whether it needs it or not.

@mrsteezsv3864 6 ай бұрын

Quite the commercial

@royharrell1760 5 ай бұрын

Another pro for the solar generator is neighbors cant hear it and then come knocking when they dont have power.

@spook172 6 ай бұрын

I’d be curious what your thoughts are on the life of the batteries vs a decently cared for Honda generator?

@masteroogway6660 6 ай бұрын

LiPo4 cells have an advertised over 2000+ cycles before 80% capacity, so even fully charging and discharging everyday 8 years of basically optimal power delivery, you won't find site generators thatll last that long without several services and lighter use. However good luck repairing it if anything gets damaged whereas a generators pretty simple. As to the cost issue charging can be done in many ways, but storing and hauling fuel requires space and time, its an ongoing cost as is electric to a lesser extent. Ultimately I think I come to the same conclusion as Cody, if you can, get both, the immeadiate utility of stored battery power not to mention the ability for quiet indoor use is great, but fuel is to all personal intents unlimited cheap and storable so a generator makes sense for continuous use.

@williammeiklejohn2850 6 ай бұрын

sounds like he was talking about battery life,not price.......Thats what I heard.@@gwizz911

@benredacted8468 6 ай бұрын

@@masteroogway6660except you can by 4 generators for that price😂

@waynebrazeau855 5 ай бұрын

The honda if maintained can last a very long time , your correct on asking about ecoflow battery replace and also the capacity , degrade with time . I guess its too new for now but a nice system for sure .

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@gwizz911 have you looked at prices of honda generator? the eu2200 is like a $1000 on its own

@southtj1 6 ай бұрын

Wow, EcoFlow is spending a lot of money on these commercials with influencers lately. So many of the channels I watch are pushing these things that are absolutely not a replacement for a generator.

@henryganzer4685 6 ай бұрын

For seroius use you have to combine the battery thing with a generator. That will give you the most benefit. As an alternative solution you can beat it with a sqaremile of panels . . .

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

supplement not replace. II have an older discontinued ecoflow and it cut my generator use by over 50%. You can even downsize your generator significantly

@NoelLeal100 5 ай бұрын

You prefer the echo flow because it pays you to say so.

@henryganzer4685 6 ай бұрын

In harsh weather conditions you will be happy to have the honda too. When the weather is cloudy, rainy, snowy the panels deliver much much less energy. The max power from the datasheet comes only under ideal conditions when there is no cloud and the sun powers direct in 90 degree angle on your panel. The average earning is very far from that. I have a small system here on the balcony with 2x 120 watt panels. two days ago we have some snow falling and during that wheather condition the two panels deliver only 3....4 watt. To power an average household you need much much more panels.

@ebony5766 5 ай бұрын

Here in Pennsylvania, we havent had sun for 8 days. We have had high winds for 4 days. Lots of power outages. Thank God for my natural gas 10,000watt firman generator. It runs my whole house.....without sun..Its hooked into my panel. No plug and play. And it wasn't thousands and thousands of dollars. It is outside in its own shed, starts up once a week.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

He is not using it as backup power but as the main power. How much fuel does your generator cost to run for one day? Now multiply that for the rest of the year.

@ebony5766 5 ай бұрын

We still have not had an sunny day here. I do have a small 500 watt power station with a 200 watt solar panel. I had that outside from 7:45am until 4 pm. It DID NOT CHARGE AT ALL. I use that one to charge my phones. There is so little sun here thru the winter that the solar makes no sense. My generaror is a tri fuel. Gas, propane or NG..I have never done a cost analysis, but when I have had ro run it over a 24 hour period I have seen very minimal uptik in gas usage. My niece and her family live in Phoenix....nothing but sun. Less than 8% of the population has solar. Ever wonder why? Solar has its place iF you have the money and climate. If Wranglerstar was so assured of it, he wouldn't have a backnup generator. Have a blessed day.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@ebony5766 not to long ago solar was less than 1% so growing to 8% in a decade or so is pretty fast growth. It is best to have both imo as you can run the generator for a short time to charge battery and have several hours with the generator off. don't even need to have any solar to get benefits of battery storage. I have a 2000 watt power station that i have never solar charged only use the grid or gas generator to top off

@thatonetechyguy 5 ай бұрын

One other thing to note, you could charge the batteries with the gas generator if needed or use a combo of them. I don’t see solar “replacing” the gas generator that can supply constant power day or night.

@dariandawson8052 5 ай бұрын

For the extreme users there is something to consider. The cold will drain a battery. This winter a buddy of mine runs a tow company and said some guy parked is EV with 80% battery and went on a hike. Came back and the car was dead. My ecoflow drains in my truck topper/camper. I don't mind the cold but my ecoflow does. I'm under the blankets but my eco is cold

@Solkre82 6 ай бұрын

I got a kickstarter Anker Solix F3800. It'll be great for power outages and I have 2 x 200 Watt portable solar panels as well. If those are insufficient I'll use a smaller generator to keep the battery up. Will be nicer than having to run a generator 24/7.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@gwizz911 maybe old fashioned incandescence light bulbs. He should be able to get 300-330 watts on a strong sun. A modern L.E.D uses 10-15 watts so way more than 4

@spaunhurst 5 ай бұрын

I have my Lincoln 350, 3 cylinder Kabota diesel portable welder that has powered my home to full capacity in Maui for hurricanes and when i moved back to Arkansas has powered my home through many power outage from tornado and ice storms, Red Fuel for the win

@Davarcus 6 ай бұрын

Solar and batteries is awesome for intermittant outages. Not a full grid replacement. Don't forget that even the best maintained lead acid batteries last maybe 5 years. If you let them go dead a couple times, maybe 2 years.

@evalinakenady1589 6 ай бұрын

I disagree. We live on Ecoflow and have for a couple years without issue

@sociopathmercenary 5 ай бұрын

These do not use lead acid batteries. Lithium iron phosphate should be good for about 10 years of daily discharge and will be capable of 80% capacity at that point

@onerka69 5 ай бұрын

You’re gonna need a lot more solar, especially in the Pacific Northwest where on rainy, cloudy days you get less than 10% of the rated output. Good panels, in bulk , you can get for close to $.50 a watt now.

@dirtyknucklegarage4085 5 ай бұрын

The batteries just give you more hours of 6kw use not more kw’s. You’re not changing the inverter to a larger size you’re only adding storage capacity with more battery packs.

@chadclark2070 6 ай бұрын

I'll take the Honda any day! But if I was sponsored by Ecoflow... I'd be a fanboy too!

@teofilol2666 3 ай бұрын

This type of comments can get you lots of upvotes but make little sense

@evilta711 5 ай бұрын

I really can't stand these battery systems being referred to as "generators" - they are not generating power, they are simply providing it from a stored source. Not to mention that that battery pack will only run at 6000w for one hour (maybe), where as that generator will do that for 6-7 hours per tank of fuel....

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

gasoline is a stored source also. Gasoline converts to mechanical energy then converts again to electrical where as a battery converts DC to AC and has much lower energy loss.

@evilta711 5 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be very much understand that. However, try and recharge that battery in the same amount of time that it takes me to fill the tank on a gas generator. It's not the same

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@evilta711 he is using it as the main power for the shop not backup power. so that is not applicable in his use case. Running a generator for several hours a day equals several hundred dollars in fuel cost every month. Even if his generator is just powering the overhead lights is still consuming a large amount of fuel, if he runs a circular saw that is only on for a few seconds at a time.

@evilta711 5 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be that has nothing to do with my original comment. A battery is not a generator. We don't go around saying our generator on our phone is getting low do we??

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@evilta711 sure without solar it doesn't generate anything, it is just a marketing term like cloud internet which just means a server

@TheeEccentricEd 5 ай бұрын

Why not go with vertical axis wind? As far as I can tell. You have a better chance for charge from that then solar. I'm in Ohio and we get 278 days of wind vs. 158 days with sun. A blend is the most effective way for off grid. Everything will fall into how you store it. Reality, We aren't there yet.

@D2_Papaya 5 ай бұрын

to do with fancy electronics I always think its important to have the stuff they use not be proprietary, or if it is at least easily fixable without replacement. If a SHTF moment were to occur I don't want to be left without spare or fixable parts. the Eco-flow looks very redundant and built to last however the presumably proprietary connection methods and batteries with the modernized look of it all leaves me weary, I'd love to get one however I'd prefer to see what modifications and fixes are possible on it first, I don't want anything that will brick itself permanently.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

The honda is a fancy inverter generator and those boards fail often especially with the heat and vibrations

@D2_Papaya 5 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be damn, i guess nothings safe nowadays

@Biogasifier 5 ай бұрын

Modular is great! Thieves love it. You should plan accordingly.

@RYTHMICRIOT 6 ай бұрын

Based on me just doing a quick look, this Honda generator averages $5k new. The Ecoflow Pro starter kit which gets you the inverter and a single 6kw battery pack is $5799. Currently, there's a promotion which knocks $800 off bringing them similar in price. However, IMO the battery stuff needs to be far cheaper to be competitive. Id give this Ecoflow setup serious consideration if it was half the cost of the gas. Too many variables with the battery system. How effective is the solar charge in suboptimal regions, and throughout winter months when power outages are more likely? And how many battery packs do you buy before a propane powered Generac is the much wiser choice?

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

He is not using it as a backup power but as the main power for the shop so you have to calculate running a 7kw generator for 6-10hours a day. Even if the generator has a low load like lights and a power tool battery charger it is still drinking a significant amount of gas. gas is around $3 a gallon and 5 gallons a day is $15/day, $105/week, $450/month

@malisinimicus4358 5 ай бұрын

As a former Generac dealer and installer i can accurately describe them as cheap lawn mower technology connected to a corcuit board that's packaged/wrapped in a nicely made enclosure with hydralic assisted lid

@mattcosgrove8254 5 ай бұрын

I like the infomercial, it’s a cool system. However our paid spokesman did not mention the solar recharge time or the battery life in terms of expiration do they last 3-5 years and the replacement cost ? The free solar system next to a gas generator would work for me too.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

they should last over a decade probably closer to 20 years it is warrantied for 5 years. The inverter will die way before the battery but that is also true with an inverter generator. Battery cost are falling on average 3% a year, no guarantee that it will continue but very probable that it will for foreseeable future

@piffpete420 6 ай бұрын

I love the temperature being displayed

@korasov 6 ай бұрын

Will be interesting to see how long EF will survive in passthrough mode.

@gz9627 5 ай бұрын

We (family of 4) have been completely off grid for several years in Australia in an area known for sunny days throughout the year, no heavy winters like Cody. The idea that the back up supply for a solar system is solar is idealistic but not realistic. You need a diesel or petrol generator, period. On the gray days you might generate enough power to run basic appliances with 20 panels but if you want hot water forget it. Batteries leak power over time and you would need that thing constantly hooked up to ensure you have power in an emergency. We have 20 panels, and 8.5kw system. We have 2 generators a quiet 2.0kw honda to run pumps etc if needed and a very loud 8.5kw to charge batteries on cloudy days.

@sjfk1306 6 ай бұрын

For 6200 bucks that the little system costs, you can do ALOT better.

@CincinnatiDan 6 ай бұрын

Any recommendations where to start? $6k is alot.

@sjfk1306 6 ай бұрын

@@CincinnatiDan a couple lifepo4 batteries, inverter and whatever solar panels/controller you feel comfortable paying for. That way you can actually grow it as your needs/budget grows.

@seagreenspiral 5 ай бұрын

@@CincinnatiDana lot not alot

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@gwizz911 should last over 15 years these are not the same type of battery that is in a cell phone

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

This is the main power for the shop not backup power so you have to factor cost of running a generator hours a day and multiple that by how many days a year he is in the shop. gas is around $3/gallon and using 5 gallons a day wouldn't take much effort or $15/day, if he works in it for 100 days a year that is $1500 in fuel plus oil and air filter changes

@chvy 5 ай бұрын

Will the gas generator plug into the smart panel also?

@northjerseykevin3915 5 ай бұрын

Great information. I haven’t pulled the trigger on solar yet but the day is coming

@simonthebroken9691 5 ай бұрын

Respectfully...please stop saying free solar. The way I see it, it's prepaid electricity. I know you know nothing is free. Thanks. I like your setup. I'm planning to do something similar myself. What's your R.O.I.? I know the utility was going to stick it to you on the meter drop. If possible I'd appreciate some real world numbers for reference. May God Bless You and Your Family. I'm truly grateful for the work you're doing.

@Boobtube. 5 ай бұрын

Cody is not thinking about the cost of the battery replacement in a few years. Batteries do not last forever. Over time he will spend the cost of 2 of those Honda generators. But to each their own.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

battery cost have been falling gradually for over a decade now in fact dropping 3% cost on average every year. Lithium iron should last close to 20 years before it drops below 50% of original capacity

@Boobtube. 5 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be Im not seeing the prices of batteries dropping, and I think your 20 year estimate is stretching the truth. But if you say so. You do you and I will do me.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@Boobtube. Have to adjust for general inflation also as that has been greater than 3%. For example the new f150 lighting is about the same cost as the Nissan leaf from 2011 adjusted for inflation but the f150 has nearly 5x the battery capacity. I know that isn't completely fair because the f150 has economics of scale from their gas trucks which nissan didn't have for the leaf Lithium iron phosphate has a 3000-3500 cycle life till it drops below 80% or original capacity so it depends on how often you use it. If you cycle it 100% everyday than it won't make it 20 years

@johnnelligan4847 5 ай бұрын

Curious whats the protection on the panel/ecoflow units from lightning strikes and/or power surges? One storm could cause a lot of headaches and money lost.

@BattleshipSailorBB63 5 ай бұрын

My thoughts are that a combination of both types is best. Gas generator during the day so the solar can focus on recharging itself. Battery power at night to keep the noise down when stealth is desirable.

@randymartin5521 5 ай бұрын

I'm close to 60 years old. I pay less than $2000/year for electricity. I've looked into whole house solar but it would be a minimum of 10 years before we reached the break even point on a whole house system. At which point, if not before, I'd be having to replace all the batteries, which will be even more expensive by then, plus potentially a disposal fee for the old ones, so who knows if I'd ever break even. The only advantage I see is you're not at the mercy of an outdated grid that may have regular power outages.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

batteries should be cheaper in the future. a system similar to this would have cost 3x a decade ago. Lithium iron should last closer to 20 years before they drop below 50% of original capacity

@donf1526 5 ай бұрын

Great Information

@ErnestLloyd716 5 ай бұрын

Beloved, could you demonstrate some alternative systems for us less fortunate folks. I love the show and the content but my pockets are to shallow to to afford a solar system of this magnitude.

@mattmead5730 5 ай бұрын

It's annoying people call these battery packs generators. They don't generate, they store. I have a Jackery and love it. But many times I'm recharging it with a gas generator. Sun won't keep them charged reliably. I do like your set up. Beats my grid-tied solar as I have no storage and it no workie if the grid is down.

@JamesBond-qv2ht 5 ай бұрын

You really need both with a gas/propane generator for charging when there isn’t sufficient solar. The big benefit is that a generator wastes fuel because it runs even when under no load. If you put the load on the Ecoflow and then run the gas/propane generator just when you need to top off the Ecoflow, your gas/propane will go much further.

@duggerray 5 ай бұрын

It's annoying when people make these kinds of comments about calling it a "generator". You normal gas generator isn't generating anything without gas. Just like your Jackery or Ecoflow or Bluetti isn't generating anything without some input (be it the sun to charge the battery or something else to give it a charge). They're all generating power via something else and then distributing that outward. Both a gas generator and the battery-type generators have their place. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

@hi9580 Ай бұрын

Solar generator name is used in marketing in order to better compete with traditional generators. Similar to how ac ev charger is called a charger even though it's not a charger. The actual charger is built into the car.

@ET_Videos 6 ай бұрын

Everyone should at least have a folding solar panel (or two) and a power station, in my opinion. Start small and cover things like phones, fridge, etc. Best thing about solar is that you can start very cheaply and just upgrade as you go. Dual fuel generator is nice too of course, and most of us have 2 cars with engines that can, in a pinch, function as a generator.

@henryganzer4685 6 ай бұрын

@@gwizz911 It depends on your powerstation. You can charge many of them from the 12v car system at the panel input port. Some power stations have also a dedicated 12v charging port for that. The charching power is limited for this variant so it needs a lot of time but it is better than nothing.

@henryganzer4685 5 ай бұрын

@@gwizz911 sorry, i am here in the middle of europe - switzerland and english is not my language. with panel input port i mean the connector position where you connect the solar panels to your powerstation. this port can mostly handle voltages from 12......50...60 volts depending of witch model you have. so if a car with 12v system is running you can connect the powerstation to the cigarette lighter plug or maybe direct to the battery (do not forget a fuse). if the car engine is running the voltage is aproximately between 12 and 14 volts so this can charge your powerstation. this is the easiest way to use your car to generate useful electric energy. other ways are more complicated and way more expensive. an other way for example is to use a inverter 12v dc to 120v ac and connect it direct to the car batterie. if the car engine is running you can use something around 1000 watt electric engergy max. hope that helps a little.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

@@gwizz911 an inverter clamped to the car battery

@gsftom 4 ай бұрын

No mention of cost… 🙂

@matthewf1979 5 ай бұрын

That EcoFlow caught my attention, but it's freaking expensive. I get it, its very convenient and has a lot of great features. It might be worth it to some people.

@evalinakenady1589 6 ай бұрын

We use 2 Ecoflow pro’s and batteries for our power. We back it up with a firman propane generator. Works perfect

@redink71 5 ай бұрын

Both can fill roles, with a bit of overlap, but the longer the need goes on the better a gas generator will shine. The battery bank certainly cannot completely replace the gas generator permanently in most circumstances that you would be needing it. But short term with light loads sure. To end the speculation just load up each one and run them for 4-5 hours. and see the things you'd need a generator for. run the Well pump,cut some lumber, Run the heat, The lights, the fridge etc. Cody is using it for his storage shed. So little to no loads most of the time. It will probably work just fine for that. Unheated building a few lights. easy peesy. Not really a comparison to be honest.

@brethooyman5905 6 ай бұрын

For just under the cost of this unit (using the link in the description), I have 8.6 kwh of storage, and 1.8 kw of solar input, with generator backup. The only difference between mine and this unit is that this is portable. Don't get me wrong - it's great in concept. But the extra cost for the super rare chance that it'll ever be moved just isn't worth it.

@thepatrioticwoodsman 5 ай бұрын

If I have an existing homelink panel 8 circuit, with a standard gas generator plug, can I use the eco flow as my generator with the solar panels and connect it to that panel with the generator plug or do you need the eco flow panel?

@motorcityman99 5 ай бұрын

Should I buy a badlands or a warm winch? Honda has longevity of value and reliability. Eco flow has some awesome products I think a hybrid system is the way to go. When you don’t have solar ( lots of grey days in my neck of woods) to charge batteries use the Honda. Also maybe higher draw tools use Honda. Save the eco for everyday life.

@peterryan7340 5 ай бұрын

I'm installing a full SolarEdge System. I am more than happy with my decision

@n3b266 6 ай бұрын

Could you use the Honda to charge the eco flow and still power other devices? If so you can always charge up the eco flow so you have that in the evening/night to hold you over so you don’t have to worry about waking up to fill up the gas and it’s quiet when you sleep.

@JohnSnow-lb6xi 6 ай бұрын

Yep... Was thinking of this exact use case for when we camp at Nascar tracks and have to turn generators off at night... A solution like this.... 30A cord to the Ecoflow, Ecoflow charge port to the generator.... top of the Ecoflow during the day while generators are OK... run the Ecoflow at night for AC

@cjhardknocks7040 6 ай бұрын

LOL!!! Good grief!!! I just looked up the price!!! At that price I'm dead anyway, WOW! Thanks for the info, and another great video as always God bless you!!!

@Self.reliant 6 ай бұрын

One thing you miss,said is you can add 3 of the inverter stacks that 18kw of output power. Addin more batteries in each stack adds more storage but not more output power. I do like how easy they are making this for diy. The added batteries add kwh of battery not kw of output power it's an easy mistake if you don't understand the difference.

@kelstr 6 ай бұрын

don't forget that each additional inverter, increases your total amps... 3 inverters will push 21.6 kWh output (not 18)... at 90 total amps. That's freaking huge.

@Self.reliant 6 ай бұрын

@@kelstr he said they are 6000 watt inverters so that's 18 kw. Kwh is reference to battery capacity not output. kw is output power

@kelstr 5 ай бұрын

ahhh... he's mistaken then. 7200 or 7400 watt inverter, I can't recall which it is. Then the battery packs have a capacity of 6kWh. @@Self.reliant

@Self.reliant 5 ай бұрын

@@kelstr thanks for letting me know

@RedForman22 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@kelstrlet’s be real here people this one ecoflow is 6k alone without solar panels… so add some extra batteries and solar panels and your looking at 8k what average prepared guy is dropping that on a generator? 😂 😂when you can get dual fuel inverters that power your home for 1k or less and have multiple, for 4 thousand dollars less.

@Vizslarunner99 5 ай бұрын

Good you have them both so You can use the Honda to charge that thing after several minutes of hard use, or a month long winter inversion . Good thinking

@ULTRASMOKE 6 ай бұрын

I was wondering if that can be protected with an emp shield? If so does ecoflow sell one for it? Thank You for all the years of content. Be strong and courageous, GOD Bless you and yours.

@RWWarner3608 5 ай бұрын

So you will have either 50 amps at 120 volt or 25 amps at 240 volt. Believe me that is not a lot of power, and that is max output and I am pretty sure if run at max capacity it won't last long. I hope you have a small welder.

@richardlittleton4993 5 ай бұрын

ANKER is making something with similar technology. It would be interesting for a comparison

@mrrivets10 5 ай бұрын

Wranglerstar, Sir, I have to say I'm much prefer the old introduction of "Gentlemen" over "beloved". I'm not criticizing I'm just saying my piece. Keep up the good work sir.

@gman1868 6 ай бұрын

Where do you get the connectors and wire to extend the line from the solar panels to the Delta?

@m7877 5 ай бұрын

@Wranglerstar I don't think your title is very good in this video. You didn't do very much comparison to the 7000i, and the comparison you did make just caused more confusion as you can see in your comment section. Both generators have the capability to output roughly the same wattage, although you call the DPU a 6kw 1:35 . While i know you were mistakenly referring to the battery and not the inverter capability, less advanced users may not know. If you want to have a "Vs" video, then why wouldn't you have the generator run a load on a full tank and the DPU do the same task. Why? Because this is a half-baked video so you could get your check from ecoflow. Please do your due diligence in future endeavors to bring QUALITY content to your viewers.

@ExpeditionTundraBeast 5 ай бұрын

Ecoflow has nice stuff but u pay for the form fitting and convenience. DYI systems would be more powerful for the money but have to deal with cables, connectors, software, firmware….. I betting u will find your solar array undersized if u use that shop much, esp in the winter.

@paulstoyek381 5 ай бұрын

Hook up your Ecoflow to either the panels or your vehicle to recharge..The generator readout will tell you how long it will take to recharge..Go ahead and do it and get the f back with me..

@DaroriDerEinzige 5 ай бұрын

Quick question; I don't know if you already explained it or not, so forgive me please but - can you use the EcoFlow System in combination with the normal power grid? Like the System I built into Vans or which are more common here in Germany in Houses which do have solar panels & alike. You know, that if you use less power than you draw from your solar panels -> you use the solar panels and the excess energy is used to keep your batteries fresh. (or feed it back into the power grid if and get money for it) If you use more power -> the batteries will suppliment, so that you still have not to draw power from the power grid for which you would've to pay. If your batteries fall under a certain % -> you will, if you choose so, draw power from the power grid so that you have always e.g. 50% of your battery for emergencies And so on? Because I mean, that would make your Eco Flow System a self sufficient system you even have to less worry about. Edit: In Vans, we wired it so that you charge up your starter Battery to a certain voltage / that it get checked as soon as your Batteries hit 80% e.g. so that you are always able to start your Van and also that if you drive, you charging your batteries up to 90% and if they are 90%, then not anymore to prolong the lifetime of the batteries and so on.

@darrellcoy 5 ай бұрын

Diversify..... Should have both but one more favorable for what youre planning or doing

@bryanjones14 5 ай бұрын

A proho has a diesel generator/ welder like a trailblazer or a Lincoln pipeline

@fearlessfreep 5 ай бұрын

Can you connect the EcoFlow directly to a break box through an inlet the same way you can most generators? That plug used for the Smart Home panel may not be a standard connection - I guess you can hook the 30 amp 240 outlet to an inlet box.

@tumbleweed1976 2 ай бұрын

A serious subject! No funny comments? Thank you for the video!

@Lonnie-Young 5 ай бұрын

What's the total time the panels take to charge the batteries to full?

@haileyr.s8107 5 ай бұрын

30 amps is very little power for a shop to try and use as base power load, a small compressor alone is 20amp

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

30 amp 240volt or 7200 watts

@jeremylee6668 5 ай бұрын

Can you run a welder off the eco flow?

@ryanbartok7805 5 ай бұрын

Have you had issues with the EcoFlow in cold weather? To your knowledge, is there a temperature range that the EcoFlow has?

@jamesbudd9900 6 ай бұрын

How much power on cloudy or snow days? Just asking for a friend.

@Blastfence1 6 ай бұрын

My money is on the Honda!

@__BERSERKER__ 6 ай бұрын

No way the honda doesn’t win. I’ll be shocked….

@allenhenry1113 5 ай бұрын

You could go generac system. You can use different fuels to run your generator..

@SmittyAccess 5 ай бұрын

For my house and my family all stick with my whole house generator , it starts its self and switches the power on it’s own. It makes enough power that my 3 neighbors run extension cords to my house for small appliances. The price of that ecoflow is a joke, I could have bought my neighbor a generator for what that thing goes for

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

best to have both and don't need to get the biggest one either the generator or solar battery. My generator use droped over 50% and i have a much older discontinued model. If my generator were to die i would replace it with a smaller unit

@arbor-workstreeservice5702 5 ай бұрын

With the 30kwh pack you'll have 24kwh of usable power @20% DOD. Average day has 5 hrs of good usable sun. 24kwh÷ 620watts gives you 38.xx hrs. 5hrs of charge a day = 7days to charge.

@sheriffbart616 5 ай бұрын

My worry is how long do those batteries last? I rarely see a battery, 12V, make it past 5-6 years. If I invest that kind of money, I want to know those batteries will last me 20 years like my Honda generator has to this point. Just curious.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

lead acid and lithium iron are completely different. A lead acid has a 500 charge cylce life whereas a lithium iron has a 3000 cycle life

@duggerray 5 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be These listium iron phosphate batteries (AKA LifePo4) - assuming they have the same ratings as the ones in the Delta Pro - are rated for 3500 cycles to 80% of the original battery life. They are rated for 6500 cycles to 50% of the original battery life. Most people are not doing a full cycle each day, but let's just pretend that you are - that's like 18 years for the battery to reach a 50% holding capacity.

@VIheavyequipment 5 ай бұрын

i dont understand when the outlet says 120/240 30 amp on most generators at canadiantire is that a 240 outlet?

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

it has two separate 30amp plugs for each 120 and 240

@m7877 5 ай бұрын

@wranglerstar You say "in depth" in your title, where is the in-depth comparison? You hardly scratched the surface!

@albertdejesus7611 5 ай бұрын

Nice option ❤😊

@smirking8457 4 ай бұрын

Why not both? Use the generator to charge the Ecoflow and have the Ecoflow run your fridge and phantom loads at night when you want some quiet.

@SlackersIndustry 5 ай бұрын

I really got to get on KZfaq and get some solar generators sent to me, I see thatbecoflow sent to so many KZfaqrs lol. Great video

@user-bz8go4wu2l 5 ай бұрын

can you talk about what you use for your home?

@collinporterfield102 5 ай бұрын

These have separate use cases. Gas generators are essential when you need power and your solar system cannot charge because it’s raining, night time, cloudy, etc.

@ReviewingTech101 5 ай бұрын

I’ll never get rid of my gasoline generators, a plus with both can also run on propane.

@D2O2 5 ай бұрын

Does the DPU have a battery heater? If not, how are you going to charge it when the shop is below 32F?

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

it does. I think it works down to 4F or -4F can't remember which. after that wrap a heated blanket around it

@selder03 5 ай бұрын

All you need is a simple EMP event and that ecoflow is null and void!

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

so will the inverter generator he has

@WTFBazda 5 ай бұрын

How long does it take to fully charge the ecoflow battery? I think it would be best to have both, that way if you find yourself in a situation where the solar output isn't cutting it, you could charge the batteries off the gas generator. That way you'd hopefully only have to run the gas generator for a couple hours instead of 24/7, creating a lot less noise, using a lot less fuel, and drawing a lot less attention.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

depends on the input going in. a 6kwh battery with only a 600 watt input will take 10 hours. I think it can go up to 3000 watt input but don't quote me

@OKTown 5 ай бұрын

when the capabilities the EF DPU are being offered by other brands (240, modular, etc.) - and the price is WAY down - I'll buy. It just takes a little time.

@DaroffApFire 5 ай бұрын

What's more, Ecoflow have said they're also looking to add in wind power charging to their systems in the future. It's going to change the game entirely once that happens.

@mattcosgrove8254 5 ай бұрын

Like… wind power charging? Not a game changer…. You can add whatever source you want now to charge batteries that will need to be replaced.

@Patrick-ln8qr 6 ай бұрын

Legit question here. How do those batteries do in an unheated shop like yours? I know that cold reduces the efficiency / capacity of most batteries, so I'm wondering if these are affected the same way?

@Connor-s1k 6 ай бұрын

Jerryrigeverything is running the same system and he says these new ones have on board heaters for the cold months, that will reduce run time but it's better than running them cold for longevity. He says the old delta flows don't have that and it is an issue

@DensityMatrix1 6 ай бұрын

He could keep them heated with hot-water if he wanted to plumb that off his stove.

@Self.reliant 6 ай бұрын

They use lithium iron phosphate batteries they only need to be heated above freezing when charging. Now in most cases the BMS stops charging to prevent damage but if you use the batteries they heat up from the amp draw then the BMS sees the temp increase and charges them. As far as this specific battery setup when the inverter says it is charging it uses power from the battery grid or panels to heat the battery first then charges them

@scottparvin7747 6 ай бұрын

@@DensityMatrix1 This is his storage shop, not the one with the wood stove.

@kelstr 6 ай бұрын

They are good to operate in temperatures as low as -20C, their onboard heaters help heat them.

@notchipotle 5 ай бұрын

I prefer gas for emergency, battery for camping

@TheMrpunisher77 6 ай бұрын

To many cons for me with solar and Lithium battery storage.

@Go-Getter 5 ай бұрын

When the manufacturer is paying you, it makes the decision a little easier.

@414s4 5 ай бұрын

These couldn’t more opposite. The energy in the ecoflow is equivalent to the generator running for an hour. Your solar panels will hardly provide much power at all.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

that is why it is best to have both. supplement not replace a generator. My generator use dropped over 50% with my much smaller and older ecoflow unit. Plus most people won't be using peak load of a generator full time as stuff like refrigerators and well pumps cycle on and off

@johnnallusa 5 ай бұрын

I would bet the honda be working in 20 years when the ecoflow has random electronic failures that cripple it. I suppose only time will tell. Also ive lost power for 21 days before and numerous times over a week. That is where the honda will shine. You could power a town between your fueling station and the honda with some consideration

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

the honda is also has an inverter which has lots of electronics it even has blutooth. A conventional generator is much simpler but has very dirty electric that can damage many modern devices

@spaunhurst 5 ай бұрын

what is battery life? my jumper boxes only last 2-3 years AGM life

@spaunhurst 5 ай бұрын

i just don't want to pay for new batteries that cost more then what i could have paid a utility company each year

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

he doesn't have a utility service to the shop

@matthewthomas690 5 ай бұрын

Batteries are a consumable.

@bretsmith1094 5 ай бұрын

i would go with a champion propane generator and save myself thousands of dollars

@Modern-Barbarian 5 ай бұрын

In about 10 years when the prices come down, then maybe. But i have a lot more things to do with that money right now.

@JD-yx7be 5 ай бұрын

I have a much smaller ecoflow that is only 2kw output, just to run my fridge and freezer. I think i will upgrade in a few years when the bigger ones get cheaper