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After watching 3 of youre vids in a row, I've learned that Japanese engine's, built in the 90's, were fucking awesome and ahead of their time.

Moral of the story is.. boost your k20a. Or B series.... Or H series

They should have never called the new engine a K series. It’s a completely different design, like WTF, Honda? What are you guys smoking over there?

Theres just something so satisfying about having to work a bit to rev out an engine to get the power out. Also, it's very satisfying hearing a turbo spool and being pushed back into the seat when it takes off. Wish I could afford both.

Honda boys never shut up about the K20, but with good reason

Heres a difference, I CANT AFFORD A HONDA CIVIC TYPE R ENGINE.

K24A2 for the win.

Has any one noticed how much the k20c engine cover looks like a honda generator. Reminds me of an ex2000. Lol

I like that there is captions. Thanks man :)

9:45 wow thanks for your wealth of knowledge on these engines. I've been interested in a K20 swap for my car and I didn't realize the engine was much smaller. TIL thanks man

I have a k24a with a k20a head. The first version was all stock internals N/A. Dyno 212 hp at the tires. 2nd and current set up with a Garrett t3, 1050cc injectors, running low boost (11psi)on stock internals 404 hp at the tires. Next version will get rods, pistons and cams with 20psi. Hoping for 600 hp. I'll stick with the A series.

Us honda guys arent use to torque so just give us time

Bottom line, one engine was designed for a turbo and the other one was not. In my opinion, leave the K20C stock and enjoy it as it is. According to this guy, try to tune the type R too much and you'll bend the rods. At the end of the day, it's not worth it. Enjoy the car in its stock form and you'll get easily 200 to 300,000 mi with proper maintenance.

Dust Runner. Do you know how to get a hp vs altitude graph for the turbo? The NA will loose about 3% per 1000ft. As you know factory hp are measured of adjusted to sea level and Std temp. Just wondering

I’ll say a K20A even though I am a big fan of B18C

Please do another video on comparison of the k24a and the k24w/k24v7 earth dreams motor that's found in the newer ilx and accords.

This video was EXACTLY what i was looking for. Thanks for making educational stuff

I just wanted to know if the k20c was similar to the early Gen k series. And which is better in terms of reliability

Is the K24 engine with K20 head also possible with the K20C? If so is the K20C head a better solution if you whant to Turbocharge the engine?

I have a 90 hatch with a B16 and next to it is a 18 Civic Si. I love them both.

Are the mounts in the same spots? Can you swap a k20c into car that has a k20a? I’ve beeen trying to figure this out for a minute. I have a k20c I’m putting into a Mini Cooper. I want to know if I can use a subframe swap kit for a k20a

I liked this video it was very educational between the 2 engines.

Thank you,I'll be following

I have civic FD 2007, wat do u think the best k20A or k20c? Who is faster? Ty sir

Interesting, I have a buddy who’s out of FL and he use to work on Hondas. Hell he had a turbo K in an RSX and is working on an MR2 K. I was asking him about the new CTR K or the Accord K and he said pretty much what you’re saying. He did said if he ever sees one in the junkyard he will yank the whole setup because he adores the chassis look.

What ab the k24 found in the crv and accord?

The K20C1 is good, but I still prefer the K20A from FD2R

Do a K20A fit on a Honda Fit 2011?

So I'm an Evo 9 guy, usually bash on some of the shittier Hondas but man do I love the K20A and respect K20A turbo charged, those engines are great.

I choose the K20C1 4my 2008 Honda Element SC daily driver because of the low end torque. I plan the elimination of steering hydraulics by upgrading 2a full EPS steering rack. My only concerns now are the adaptation of the unit as a direct bolt in, i.e. engine mounts, AC compressor, alternator &computer. I'm not worried about intercooler piping, turbo lubrication or cooling. Any help here?

I am running an EP3 type r With 409 hp And it is coping with the power absolutely fine just like you said I prefer the older K 20A as I love to hear these engines scream 😱

Which K20A/Z variant had a forged crank? The hi-po K20A2 and Z1 didnt

Before I even watch doesn't the k20c1 only have VTEC on the exhaust cam? And the K20a has VTEC on the exhaust and intake cams. Am I right or wrong if this guy doesn't explain it? I just got into Hondas a few years ago when I found PFI so I don't know Jack about this stuff but I'm learning. And I'm testing my memory skills also.

Great review indeed what’s the buzz like pros/cons about the new 2020 Pilot engine anyone??

JDM FD2 Type R had the last and best K20a motor of them all

What degree vtc gear does the k20a use????

So do you turbo charge the k20a so you dont have the same problem as the k20c???

Do a comparison on Accord k20 and Civic type R k20

What do you have to say about the Toyota ZR engine series? Please do something on this it's so widely distributed around the world and the content would surely make for a lot of views.

Why do I hear about stock K20A type R engines pushing 280, but never find any statistics about it?

Nice video. Keep it up

I think the engine block is also different, especially thin water jacket between cylinders at k20c

Can I safely boost my stock dc5 k20a type r??? I keep hearing that I can't due to the high compression but also keep hearing that I can on low boost.

What about K20c head with 24 bottom?

I never really hear people talk about the f series. Is it not as good or just less common?

R18a will kick its butt any day! In mpg :P

What about the K24 though ?

That vehicles in your footage. Mmmm mmm mmm. Nice!

I don’t get the k series. Which k20 or K24 performance series is the best? E.g is it the k20a? K20a2? K20Z1? K24a2? K24a3? Which one is the best?

In the uk we got the type R ep3 that sold 36,000 units plus next gen fn2 type R that sold a bunch aswell this meant we got hi pro version unlike in the US where you got the family car k20 in accords and typeS integra which is a completely different format.

There’s a Honda specialist who’s worked on K20as for years... they advise that with a rebore, uprated internals etc it will be good for 1000 BHP

What's a good website to get a k20a?

The K20C guys will soon get to share some of the same problems as us ford ecoboost guys have. The integrated manifold prevents us from going over 600hp and creates a ton of backpressure on the exhaust side. Its really a shame because the closed deck ecboost blocks are pretty stout but we cant do shit about the head. If i was building a honda i would definitely go with the k24 or k20a

Could you drop that c1 head on a A block ? I believe bisimoto did something similar to his ef wagon but with a k24 bottom end.

For those Honda cars that have a four sylender engine and have a cvt transmission especially the cvt transmission cause those need changing the fluid more often

K20C doesnt sound as nice yeah, but I appreciate that Honda is putting in a car as good as the FK8 hopefully they shove a K20C4 or something detuned in the 11th gen Si haha

I would love to know one thing.... How good is the Engine in the 2019-2020 Honda Ridgeline... just in case I'd end up buying one?

I have a k20c2 im planing to put in my Honda Prelude than once i get it in there ill be buying a 2nd lude and get the k20c1 or c4

Make a video about the new turbo 1.5l

K20c bottom end with k20a head? Doable? Worth it?

Great video

I wanna try getting my hands on a k20c and drop it in my ep3 anything is possable right

Do d16z6 next. That's the engine that I am currently building to handle 400+ HP. People don't give the single cam enough credit when it's actually a cost effective route.

Thx man;)

AWESOME VIDEO!!!

Do they bother with different internal components between the NA K20C (used in Civic Sport in the US) and Turbo versions? If so, the internals in the NA engine must last forever in stock form.

K20a is better in every way. Great video by the way!

So put a turbo on a K20A or K20A2 drop the compression by changing the pistons or getting a thicker head gasket and you have a more reliable engine than the K20C and a fraction of the cost of buying a car with the K20C in it. Sounds logical right, or am I missing something? Honestly am I missing something in my logic, please correct me if I am wrong.

I love all motor Hondas I'm currently building 84mm sleeved all motor b20v with ITB's

As long as you keep the torque low on the k20a k20a2 you can push 400bhp on a stock engine and still be reliable the con rods are the weak point on the k20a

I'm excited to see the future of the K20C1 and I think there is a lot of potential once it's as mature of a platform as the previous K series motors.

What is cfm?

Where does the k20Z3 come in to play

It's all about the application. With small bore machines, you have to not only know how you want to use the car, but understand where you want to be a year or two down the road, when you've saved up more money and can make the car a full race vehicle or just a stoplight sleeper with power to terrorize the neighborhood with. The two applications might seem similar, but you couldn't be more wrong.

If I was a betting man, Id skip the new CTR and buy a Civic Sport and drop a turbo K20A. If someone isnt making mounting hardware for this retrofit, they should and keep me in mind for royalties...

when you said k20c is way better because of the flat curve powerband which is absolutely wrong. the reason why it need low end toque because the fact that its not n/a like the k20a. if the k20a were build with the same low end power it wouldnt be able to get as high as hp as it can get. so yes, its a completely different engine because of its characteristic.

Thanks for the video @Dust Runners Automotive Journal. The difference of these two engines are (K20A vs. K20C): - high revving concept vs. down sizing concept - EURO 3 emissions concept vs. EURO 6 emission concept - high performance concept vs. emission driven performance concept - modulare head setup vs. fixed Out of that many details can be explained like the port design differences, the revving capability, tribological characteristics and so on. Rating them in one sentence is like comparing apples and bananas. It's not fair as they had different development goals. For me the K20A, K20A2, K20Z1, K20Z3, K20Z4 are one of the best base engines for developing high performance engines out of it, no matter which induction concept: NA or FI. It comes with one of the best aftermarkets and the potential of these engines is still not released at full size. Regarding the direction of engine development Honda take for the K20C, I don't agree with it is the right direction. The down sizing concept comes with a lot of disadvantages regarding sustainability in development, it's a completely certification cycle driven development (NEDC, WLTP), many engine concepts from the late 80'ies to 90'ies can compete with the real driving emissions of those engines regarding particles and NOx. It helped the car manufacturers to increase the chassis weight while keeping the dynamic level or even increase it. That's a total wrong way. Honda choose it too. I was so disappointing, despite I understand they wanted to compete in the I4-performance engine car market. For me the better direction is chosen by Toyota Dynamic Force or even more the Mazda SkyActive X engines are the way to go. IC engine'd cars have a hard time competing against that certification cycle preferred E-machined cars. Downsizing won't help to compete, it helps to shorten the era of the IC engines. Honda's engine strategy was really disappointing me, once they had the best and bravest engine engineering teams and strategy, now they are just average. What happens not being innovative, plans to fire employees: Daimler 30.000, VW 20.000, BMW ... and so on. The all missed to adjust their strategy right in time. Now the big kaboom can be seen all over here in Europe. Tesla teaches them all, a company with a few years of experience teaches companies with almost 100 years of experience where to go. No sorry, Honda missed that too. Honda failed to chose the right way and just went into business as usual. The first and expensive step into the wrong direction can be the first into a row of steps into a lower noise-signal-ratio regarding market awareness in future or when turning back into right direction at a lower EBIT.

Make a vid about the NA K20C2!!

I'll go for k24 with k20 head turbo change ,my opinion.

Although the k20a2 that was used in the type s Rsx was the same engine used in the ep3 type r civic. It's not the same as the k20A used in the itr,the a has a higher redline,higher compression and 20 more hp

The k20A came in the jdm dc5 type r only. The Rsx had the k20a2 and the si had the k20a3.

Awesome video.thanks.im bias but k20a with turbo way better than k20c.love my k20a in my base model 97ek civic.na and stock it's as quick if not quicker than a fk8

I wonder if I can swap a K20C1 into my Integra.

K20a: rev happy K20c: low growning sound

Neither motor is better than each other they have their required application. Also there are a lot of folks in the past 20 years that have been asking for a fully stock turbo Civic and here you go you got it for all of you that wanted that out of the showroom

One thing i know all this talk about the different mechanics of different engines is all good and well and yes most do what they do well but what is never mentioned what is needed to make it all happen is the ecu, modding engines to the point of hp worth having requires ecu mods if not total replacement and that's when you need deep pockets. Tuning modern engines is a bottomless pit, personally old school price, ease of maintenance, and no uni degree required so it doesn't go BANG on start up. Feel free to change my mind.

I love my 8th gen civic si K20Z3 More than my RSX Type S K20A It just feels better and the seats are more comfortable, but i like the look of the rsx more.

Whoa the errors... K20A3 base model only does the fancy valve stepping on the Intake, it constantly works the both exhaust valves. K20A/A2/Z1 or the Type S/R engines, gets variable timing and lift on both sides. It's why the A3 will out pull the A2 until the A2 hits VTEC. It's why I prefer the A3 engine as well. A3: 141ft/lb 4000RPM A2: 142ft/lb 6000RPM Z1: 143ft/lb 6200RPM

Which would be easier to throw in my 2015 Honda Fit? 😎

You should give credit to where you find your sources

i like the idea of the newer k20c stock or lightly modded for daily use; the k20a heavily modded for race application and big power. after seeing that accord wagon w the k20c in it, all i can think about is the k20c in my 99crv awd w that low end torque.

Does anyone remember The Pontiac GTP 3.6L Supercharged V6 from back in the day? It was really easy to get power out of but Chevy/Grand Am of course fucked it up by making its transmission only able to hold just barely more power than what it made before it turned into a grenade. Why would Chevy/Grand Am do something like that to The Grand Am GTP if they knew how easy it was to modify and make more power? Okay so bare with me...Why would Honda design a turbo engine that couldn't stand at least 100-200 more torque knowing that turbo engines(Honda or otherwise)are probably the most modified cars in the entire world besides V8's? (I'm not getting into that discussion what's modified more turbo'd engines or V8's that's besides the point). Well the first aftermarket company to make bullet proof con rods, pistons, and successful modified heads for the K20C will make a pretty penny. I see the K20C as the engine as the last petrol engine for Honda until it goes fully electric and Petrol Heads that's much sooner than you want to realize. Hey just think, won't it be fun learning a new craft on how to modify an electric car? If anyone wants to respond I'd love to hear it. I ask for your opinions not arguments b/c I think arguments are a waste of time. If I have been mistaken about my anything I've said let me know(well besides that EV's are the wave of the future)and show me the info so I can learn.

Does HDP Honda offer a crate K24 race engine? I'm actually going to look that one up so don't reply if you read that.

6500-7000 shift points are lame, though. Why not turbocharge AND rev high? Why does nothing OEM offer that?

One of the most knowledgeable guy here on youtube. Thanks sir for such detailed engine comparisons. Also could you make a video on the L15A7?

I have both and love them both. But for everyday driving...power is more available on the turbo car...unless I rev the heck out of the non-turbo. …reliability of the turbo...well...yet to find out....

FTW B series for LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!

If i knew which is better i wouldnt have spent time watching your video on it ;)

I want a K20A swap for my '02 Type S so bad. Do I/H/E/Kpro and it would be perfect. Can't beat that naturally aspirated VTEC pop.