Doesn't the C4 have counter balancers in the oil pan area and the C1 does not have them at all? I have the C4 in my Accord and I love it.

The c4 doesn’t make more power than a v6 accord nice try. The old j35 engine was more powerful and with vcm gets better mpg than the new 4 cylinder on the highway I get 39-40 mpg in my v6 Accord

Se compararmos o motor LTG 2.0 turbo do Camaro com o motor K20c4 do Accord, qual é melhor?

Same here. Lol. But still m The accord is still unique. Top mid size sedan. Definitely beats the TRD. Too. Proud of it.

Check out according to joel YT channel if you wanna see what the accord is capable of

I thought the same, probably get c1 numbers with tuning but as he pointed out it will heat up the turbo too much. I wonder if the turbo will fit.

@@traktion9 C1 turbo bolts in. Just need a custom tune to take advantage of it. The stage 2 Ktuner map only targets about 21 psi and that’s not necessarily excessive for this turbo size, I ran higher boost than that in my 1.6T Elantra sport (23 psi) for 66k hard miles and it was still good to go when the car was totalled. 21 psi is nothin and the car runs well with that OTS map

Same

I can see the c4 being used in the new integra but as a type s

Hey Joel! 👋 love your badass Accord !

@@shellybelly8042 thank you ♥

@@isaaca.7732 If you want more than 370whp, then yes. The CTR maxxes out at 360whp, and the Accord at 370whp. If you want more, Hondata has a fuel system upgrade for $4000.... you can easily buy the doppleganger to the CTR, which came out 10years prior to the fk8 CTR for that amount, and mod it for much less than a CTR/Accord, and the limit on it's fuel system is 400whp. Same weight, same hp stock with an intake, as a CTR. It's the 07-09 Mazdaspeed3. Very reliable, easy to make, hp gains. About $4k for the car, about $4k in mods, gets you 400whp. Add in some exterior enhancements for about $2k and you easily have a built not bought, aggressive looking, performance 4-door hatch for cheap. I've owned, modded, and tuned all 3 cars, and the Mazdaspeed3 is an absolute bargain up to 400whp! After that, all 3 cars get expensive to mod further, and better to move on to another platform/car.

“Power potential” even though it was literally made for fuel economy. Get outa here. The c1 is better. This is why even Ariel went with the c1. They could’ve chosen any Honda engine but decided to go with the c1 for a reason.

Also, the pistons itself are different in the c1 to be able to handle more boost. The c4 has flat tops lol. Common ones. Not good for handling high boost.

@quicktoreason2722 The RSX-S k20a2 can handle more power with pistons that were never made to handle boost (up to 600whp daily, or 720whp all out). The pistons are better because they were made for boost? Really? How much better? Are they forged? No! They can't handle what a k20a2 can. The k20a out of the ITR actually handles less than a k20a2 because it is 0.5 more compression. Shape design of the piston is just one component of many. In other motors, like the Mazdaspeed3, the piston shape design was also changed, but for the 2nd gen. It was supposed to handle more abuse, but the results were the same. It's not one component that matters, like the piston shape, but overall, what can it handle. The k20C4 and K20C1 can handle the same. My theory is that the shape design is only there to mitigate the effects of carbon buildup or carbon buildup itself... and then, it doesn't make a difference because carbon buildup will always still occur, and you still need to run a bottle of cleaner through the induction tract every 3k miles anyway. When they designed the engine, and pistons in particular, they can't predict the carbon buildup and how to mitigate it, they can only theorize, and then wait for the engines to blowup once on the market. Hence why it's taken decades to perfect the mitigation of carbon buildup, and they are making improvements, but carbon buildup is far from being mitigated entirely, and having to run cleaner through a direct injection engine will always be needed... so far... The promise was that direct injection ran cleaner and safer for the environment, but instead, what has been happening is that instead of burning all byproducts, they are being deposited and then having buildup. Piston shape design is not a major difference in handling boost, but rather for mitigating carbon buildup and its effects... and yes, I am an engineer, and I design these things for a living.

@quicktoreason2722 The reason Ariel Atom chose the C1 over the C4 is because Honda sells the C1 to anyone, not the C4. In other words, it's the same thing in Ariel Atoms' perspective. They just needed a factory turbo'ed Honda motor to try out... and guess what? They offer it with less hp than the turbocharged NA motor they offer, the k24Z7 (out of a Civic Si), 321bhp vs 365bhp. The Ariel atom also used plenty of other non-turbo kseries motors, which they then added a turbocharger or supercharger to, including the K24z7 (NA or turbocharged), K20z4 (NA or supercharged), and some say the K20A was used, although who knows what flavor of K20A, could have been any one of them (K20A2, K20A3, or K20A). In JDM Honda motors, the last digit to differentiate motors is dropped, and you nevet know till you remove the valvecover and inspect it.

Not tru

he didnt say it but showed it on the screen @7:20, I took off the balance shaft belt in my old prelude but its all chains now, still possible.

Yeah. The CTR is not as smooth as the Accord engine.

Exactly the same as K20C1 but smaller. Hence people call it baby type R Dual VTC motor with only vtec on exhaust, even electric wastegate are the same

@@yahtadi5152 10th gen si gas no vtec at all just vtc, my Accord 1.5T has vtec on exhaust though, but that's about to change real soon

Same here. Or when people say Baby Type R

Cause it is.

Literally the world's smallest differences. If they were difference that drastically they both wouldn't be classified as a k20c. Literally same block and head. Just difference in turbos , vacuum and tunes. Screw off

@@jakeseidel4566it basically is 😂 he said multiple times with proven part numbers it’s 90% the same

Seriously I find it so annoying too

The K20c2 is the same K20C1/3/4 without the steel connecting rods from the type R and the turbo kit. and ofc some cooling mods. If you think about it the k20c4 is the same k20c2 with minors changes for boost.

@@dannyoconer6645 makes sense, i see potential in the engine, lots of 1.5t owners say otherwise.. anyhow 4piston is makes billet core cams and brian crower is offering stage 2 option

did you swap it to port injection?

because if that’s possible i wanna do that

@@seanutrera3613 no they come that way straight from Honda since 2016. You can still buy a brand new Civic 2.0 that is port injected. The K20C2 was never direct injection. There are a couple of sources that mistakenly list them as direct injection so be careful of that.

a stock k20c4 put out close to 260 HP and 290 TQ.They literally put out 252 at the wheels on 91 octane,many test was done.It is a very capable engine.

Yes you can literally grab a k20c2 N/A and bolt on the C4 turbo kit

No.

@@Justin-lc1xz ok

i would really like to know this as well, building a k24 seems to be the best option, no? cheaper to build than k20 and more horses, i might have this all wrong

Many people are running the CTR turbo on the Accord. All over IG and KZfaq. Yes. It's definitely worth it.

Timing chain

Same exact size

Nothing is tbh, they are both made ny different manufacturers and are completely different platforms

open deck, yes but less Problems then ecoboost... but there are Problems with the Gasket when pushing the max RPM much hiher then OEM... as i heard from some Tuner..

Don’t compare my Honda to a Ford 😂 .

I got mine 3 months ago and I just put a phearable stage 3 tune on it. I’m loving it

Soon :)

@@Dustrunnersauto no excuses, were not allowed outside lol

DDD well I’m still working 40-50 hours per week at my normal job (just from home now). One video takes around 5-7 hours to make (research, write, edit, release).

@@Dustrunnersauto oh damn well that's good news for you then dude. I'm just glad your making the video at all!

Literally ! I just picked mine up last week. And been scavenging the forums and internet for what I got myself into. K20c6 Gang!

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No. Joel felix is running all of that with all of that + E85 flex and meth injection. It took quite a few runs for months before the R turbo finally failed but his K20c4 is still going strong. He has removed the meth injection until the PLR P600 drops because the R turbo is shot and the P600 is way stronger and should survive meth

@@user117 so he blew his Type-R turbo up after spending all that money? If you don't drive the shit out of your car and race it all the time, would it last longer and don't use meth?

@@Robbie2Fly yes. Technically even just racing it with all the bolt ons and tunes it probably would be just fine. The type R turbo just wasn't meant to handle meth.

@@user117 meth is bad. Just say no to drugs!

Duh, of course you’re gonna wear out the engine and eventually blow up sooner. You’re pushing more power than the intended design and just like the video said, C4 is using weaker cams and pistons.

I got a k20C2 I wanna boost but can't seem to find anything on it

German Estrada people have boosted it just unsure how much

That's common sense.

How did u blow it? Accord? Tuning? Im sorry but im asking cuz i have a accord 2.0 and im going towards tuning it and want to get as much information as i can

500+

I have the EFR-7163 installed. Currently pushing 473whp/ 432wtq! All documented on my channel.