Just as an aside I don’t mind you guys talking over the trailer to hear the trailer cause your right I’ve seen it already. It’s more that we can’t understand you with the trailer going at the same time.

What makes this series un-rewatchable is that on a second viewing you would really notice all of the setup that you know will never get a payoff.

Spencer is my spirit animal in all of this.

I'm pretty sure "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" is going to be the new "Jar Jar is the key to all this." Or any one of the other George Lucas quotes when he made the prequels. And speaking of Star Wars, I think it would've been a great outro in the HT if EVG said "Well, at least I still have Star Wars," then got mad when he found out D&D were helming a new SW trilogy. Or a joke about how even Rian Johnson is taking shots at the last season would've been nice.

The writers should've started season 8 with a small snippet of Drew Carey saying: "Welcome to Game of Thrones season 8 where everything is made up and the lore doesn't matter...that's right the lore doesn't matter." 😂

Good story points don't work if they just *happen* . If Jamie was going to go back to Cerci, fine, but not in 7.3 seconds and 'because'.

They stopped caring. Plain and simple. So many KZfaqrs have come up with better more logical writing for the final season then what we got.

I'm on Spencer's hate train.... Everyone else is in denial (Lon).

Daniel’s fading out Back to the Future joke 😂😂😂 Quite literally perfect 👌🏻

I love Lon trying to “Homer Through the Bushes” escape the table when Spencer starts talking about politics.

What D&d did to Jon's character is the equivalent of Aragorn having a massive stroke after the battle at Minas Tirith so they send him to live out his days in the Prancing Pony in Bree.

Oh, my sweet summer child, what do you know about disappointment? Disappointment is for the short night, when Jon did nothing and Arya fell a hundred feet from nowhere. Disappointment is for the characters, whose arcs are built up for years only to be instantly regressed and plot lines are born and live and die all in nothingness. That is the time for disappointment, my queen, when the White Walkers never make it past Winterfell. Thousands of years ago, there came lazy writers that destroyed an entire series. Fans raged about no set up, payoff or logic, same as the cast members in their interviews. And parents smothered their Khaleesis rather than see them watch Season 8, and wept and felt the tears of disappointment on their cheeks. In that darkness, the Show Runners came for the last time. They rushed through season 8 without care, leaving coffee cups and water bottles, riding off to Star Wars to “subvert more expectations”.

The more the spectacle increased the less the dialogue charmed & the less the characters made sense. They went all in on 1 of the 3 things that were attractive about the show, ditched the other 2. Bran as king is fine if you tell the story differently. Oh and they stopped murdering people who earned $1M+ an episode.

When Lon says class is a modern concept, it isn't. If you look at Aristotle's Constitution of the Athenians, there is commentary about the common man and how they were important to the Solonic reforms which would eventually lead to the institution of democracy in the city. Plato also discussed how creating strife between the classes leads to problems in the Republic. In a more contemporaneous period with the show, peasants revolts were something rulers would be cognizant of. Plus there were Enlightened Authoritarianism after the Enlightenment, but even before that there were rulers who held absolute power that cared for the lower class dating back to the Ancient Greeks such as Peisistratus

Season 8 did a really good job of making me not care about Game of Thrones.

I am with Spencer! I am usually with Dan, but Spencer is correct! Season 8 was blasphemy.

2:32 LOL Get it out Spencer, this is your last chance. 2:42 Joe's ad-libs LOL

Why would the Lords of Westeros and the council of surviving characters accept a Stark as a king AND ALSO let the Stark king give his family independence while he still ruled over everyone else? It's ridiculous.

WHAT?! I've been waiting all week for this commentary and you all decide to appear? I could not be any happier! I love you all!

we get it Lon, you liked it. Nobody is forcing you to dislike it - just to understand why over 50% of the non-casual fanbase of the show felt the conclusion was weak and unsatisfying. It has very little to do with expectations, and it's not just that it was rushed (I'd argue that the blatantly "rushed" vibe is more of a symptom than a cause for the very vocal hate last two seasons got) it has more to do with weak dialogue, boring character arcs, plot armor in service of role popularity and and overall lack of production quality. I think that despite the rabid and exaggerated nature of our comments the fan base *can* forgive mistakes, but when the whole product feels like one big flaw... well, that's stretching the audience's limits for enjoyment.

9:29 , there is no theory, HBO was willing to give them carte blanche , to run the show as long as they needed, Dumb and Dumber decided themselves to shorten the last seasons.

"Take me to church" could be on a Screenjunkies shirt! Hilarious.

I've enjoyed watching Spencer have nerd-rage about GOT this year. We all have things we feel passionately about, so it's a fun change to see the snarky one get mad about a show.

damn Dan's cruise analogy was just SPOT ON

It's not an issue of trying to hear the trailer, it's too hard to hear what you are saying while the trailer is playing. It just gives me a headache.

I'm not someone who comments about the 'pause' thing, but I will say that when you're talking over the trailer, it's not that it's hard to hear the trailer. I've seen the trailer. It's also hard to hear what you're saying, and I'm tuning in here to hear your commentary. Haven't seen these seasons of game of thrones, but enjoyable trailer as always. Thanks for the work you all do!

39:28 I was hoping to see a clip of GOB from Arrested Development saying "I've made a huge mistake"

I've said this before, so I'll be repeating myself, but Dany going mad is actually a perfect example of what went wrong with the show. Not that she went mad, as I do believe that's where the books are going as well. It's not what happens, it's why and how it happens. When the Red Wedding happened, no one asked Why? You may not have liked that the Boltons turned against the Starks, and you certainly weren't surprised that the Freys did; you did not like the choice that they made, but you understood why it happened. You were angry, sad, depressed, but you weren't confused. When Dany goes mad, everyone is asking Why? Why did she do this? It's not enough to be told that she could go mad. You need to see it evolve. The thing is, they had actually already built in how this could have happened and didn't use it. 1. Dany should have been winning the war. Cersei is not as smart as she thinks she is. She continually makes matters worse for herself because she lacks foresight. Dany should have been given good council by Tyrion with good information by Varys. Cersei should realize that she can't defeat Dany so long as Dany has these two men providing her advice, so she targets Tyrion and Varys. She manages to kill Varys, and therefore remove that source of information, and wounds Tyrion. She also manages to seriously wound one of the smaller dragons, to the point where it can no longer fly. It begins to give up on life, and, unable to force it to feed, Dany has to watch it waste away and die. She is consumed by grief. 2. Jorah at the Citadel. The healing by Sam seemed far too easy (comparative to the problem). Have Sam start to heal Jorah, and the next thing we see is Sam being reprimanded and punished. Jorah then turns up at Dragonstone. He sits in on her councils, and continually gives her advice that plays to the worst parts of her personality, the part telling her to burn everything, be a dragon. She occasionally laughs at his humor, which no one else seems to find funny. Later you find out why, when Sam meets Jon again and tells him how he met the son of Lord Mormont. He had grey scale. Sam tried to save him and failed: he died. Jorah's not there: Dany's having hallucinations brought on by grief at the loss of her child. We now know that Dany is compromised, even if the characters don't. 3. Qyburn's cult of murder babies. Dany blockades King's Landing, and Qyburn sends out a bunch of women and children under the guise of refugees who escaped, and want nothing to do with the Lannisters. Dany takes the children in, only for the children to be revealed as assassins who try to kill her in her sleep. She confronts the women, who openly admit they view Dany as a foreign invader and usurper. Dany has them burned alive. At this point she now sees everyone in King's Landing, even the women and children, as potential enemies. Though she has been winning the war, driving Cersei back, the losses are becoming unbearable. She snaps and attacks the city.

I LOVE how annoyed Spencer is- because that's exactly how I felt. But now I've moved on and don't even think about GoT anymore. The show is dead to me. Lmao

Rename this episode Honest Trailer Commentaries: CIVIL WAR

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One word to describe Season 8? Lazy This comment is the Season 8 of Comments

Joe asking for the Wheel of Time made my heart grow 3 sizes. I love that man.

Bless Dan for his fine education & for not noticing the decline of Jack London culturally since his death 100yrs ago.

I was literally brought to tears of laughter before the end of minute 3, hallelujah testify.

My guy with the Wheel of Time drop up top, nice!

A friend of mine never watched the show and never read the books. He finally binged the entire show and thought they completely crapped the bed in season 8.

Sansa "I don't even know how to use a knife" Stark

season 8 was fractally bad. it was bad in the overall story points and bad in the details. Saying that 'if there were 5 episodes to set this up' or 'they did the best with what they had' are non-arguments, you're saying that if the show was good, it would be good, good point. jaime lannister going back to cersei isnt 'the way life is', it's character asssassination

they committed straight up character assassination in season 8. that's it. no other way to put it.

It’s funny how Avatar: The Last Airbender became a better game of thrones than game of thrones.

Spenny's germans floating in Florida bit was so great

Bran has tree-wizard powers. He can see everything. He can know and tell everyone's stories. Therefore, he has the best story, the worst story, and all the stories in between.

Joe giving The Wheel of Time some recognision was one of my favourite moments watching this.

I'll do it. And Starring; Stark Phoenix.. Was that so hard?

They look so much better in 1080p

Blood and bloody ashes. Joe is right. I just need that Wheel of Time series to come out.

15:17 "If only that rock hadn't been there!" They have some really funny quotes in this video 15:54 (Night King taps Jon on his shoulder) "How the hell did you get here?!"

Name a more iconic panel lineup. I'll wait Edit: I love sassy Spencer btw

Nice on the main channel for once it fits Next week probably .... SHAZAM!

Did Lon actually just argue that the Jaime going back to cersei makes sense from a storytelling perspective? Hahahahahhababababa. Okay Lon when you right a story you set up actions with foreshadowing. Is there any foreshadowing for Jamie leaving that you can show me?

This panel is gold 😍🙌🏽

Whether they had signed the deal for star wars before negotiating the number of episodes for the last season isn't really relevant. The question would be when did the negotiations for the SW deal begin.

Great videos, guys! But I have a suggestion: I'm French and I don't get everything when there are no subtitles, so if you could help us by adding them; that would be great.🤗

Disappointed in Spencer for not saying that Slavery is not a thing in Westeros to Lon when he was talking about breaking the wheel. Jorah was outcasted by Ned Stark. Come on, now. That's basic Thrones stuff 101

I love this HT Commentary as a slightly angry argument between the crew. So good

Loved this. One of the best commentaries you guys have ever done! I'm so glad that you make these.

Hope this longer, fuller format sticks!

can someone please make a GIF of Lon and Spencer just staring at Dan at 6:35?

Omg Preach baby, Testify!! Oh Take me to church, Let's go to chapel!! *In my best Southern Preacher voice*

‘Sansa Sansssa Saaansa Saannssaaaa’ I have replayed that six times now with a smile that’s starting to hurt my face

I agree with everything that Spencer said this commentary, especially in the beginning.

16:51 I agree with that chair :D

yeah boi!!! calling out the wheel of time straight away!!! loved those books

The episode that gave me pause was actually Battle of the Bastards. It is one of my favorites, but I remember twitching when the Vail came from nowhere in the knick of time to save Jon. That was the beginning of Jon's plot armor that got thicker with each episode.

love you guys and all the work you do! I just want to say though, the reason people yell at you to pause the trailer isn't because they want to hear the trailer -it's because we really want to hear what YOU are saying - and talking while the trailer is on drowns you guys out. I've never said anything about it before, never yelled at you about it! I get it, you get excited and sometimes you're just making a quick side comment to each other for a laugh, not wanting to pause and talk about an aspect of the trailer; and understandably no one wants to yell "pause" only to make a quick quip about Joe or something. I just wanted to clear up why people hate when you talk over the trailer. Not about hearing the trailer, just makes it much harder to hear you guys! Much love

I was happy to see all five hosts

25:38 will never ever not be funny to me. That song about Arya stark being a shape shifter now is endlessly hilarious 😂 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I could sense the hate in the trailer and I felt it was coming from Spencer haha. He is a godsend, I loved everything about how they shit on these final few seasons. This panel is amazing, so glad we had everyone. I usually find I don’t agree with Joe but loved everything he said in this episode

Season 8 ruined the show for me. Lon's opinion is insane. that is all.

FINALLY! This whole waiting for the commentaries thing is painful, but worth it! I love this series and crew no matter the channel. THANKS SCREEN JUNKIES!

First time watching you guys - great panel, loved it

43:19 "Plus, if you're looking for nudity on KZfaq then you don't know how to use the internet." I'm dying laughing, Joe's very casual tone just made that even better. KZfaq needs to put that in their guidelines or something because that's very accurate. There's so many places online for nudity. Go literally anywhere else.

Name 3 good things and 3 bad things about the final 3 seasons of Game of Thrones. *Enjoy Honest Trailers Commentary every Wednesday at 10AM Pacific right here on Screen Junkies. Why Wednesday? So we have time to react to your reaction to the trailer which was our initial reaction to the movie/TV show. Capiche? Hit us up below with any questions.* POOL RULES One: Speak up and join the conversation- we encourage respectful debate. Two: Respect your community- racism, misogyny, homophobia and hate speech aren’t tolerated. Three: Don’t go looking for fights. Four: “Be nice.” - Dalton from Roadhouse

Joe saying testify and take me to church

Okay so I’ve only just watched the final season of GOT bc....reasons. I don’t think enough is made of Jon Snow’s heritage coming to precisely ZERO after building it up as the central and most important through line in the series. What a waste of time! Jon didn’t need to sit on the throne at the end but his heritage needed to have SOME significance! Jesus! Jon could have had to fight his way through dragon fire to kill Danerys and end her tyranny as the only other Targaeryan heir for instance. But no, he just walks up to her and stabs her. ANYBODY could have done that!!!!!

The issue with the ending isn't that they ran out of written material. They basically gave up on adapting the source material after they got through book 3.

Woah, all hands on deck for this new approach. Me like.

Yes Joe! Wheel of Time should be more violent and epic than GOT...

I just watched game of thrones for the first time the last two weeks.. I'm 34.. I decided early on to wait until the show was done

I could listen to this panel all day long :) you are great guys :)

"We're lucky to have this many men!"

This honest trailer was sooo good. Great job guys.

I must love ya’ll very much ‘cause your actually the only ones I was willing to watch talk about GOT nowadays... I retired myself from all podcast, forums, other KZfaq channels... I was done 🙄But thanks guys great trailer 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

I've re-watched this 3x or something because Spencer is on fire. He's so damn funny on this video. "Hear me out..." "or like when Yoda busts a nut and he talk normal." "Dany's always been Qanon."

Five people at the table all at once?!!!! Mind blown.

One key change in GoT was something George RR Martin pointed out in Entertainment Weekly when talking about the successor show: "As you know for Game of Thrones, we never even nominated anybody for lead actress or lead actor [during awards season] until recently; it was always for supporting [categories] because the show is such an ensemble." When GoT decided it no longer wanted to be an ensemble is when they messed up in my opinion. The show was at its very best when it was an ensemble show without lead actors. To me, the show runners didn't know what made their show great, so after they ran out of books they moved the show into the wrong direction as a result of it.

The earliest "White Fanging" I have found is from an old movie called "The Yearling." A kid has to shoo away his baby deer.

GOT was never in my Top 5 after season 7. I still had hopes, but David and Benioff (Dumb & Dumber) killed everything good about the show by the finale. Anyone who wants a great finale and a mindblowing show from start to finish must watch Jonathan Nolan's Person of Interest. One of the Top 5 TV shows in the world, period.

I couldn't believe that on "I've made a terrible mistake" montage, you didn't cut to Will Arnett (GOB).

Lon being a contrarian

This was a great discussion, and I think that it works a lot better to have it on the main channel a day after the Honest Trailer. Thanks everybody. :)

I really appreciate the longer format

You can tell how much more emotionally invested everyone is in GOT by how much time they spent discussing it before actually starting the HT. This is pretty much an episode of Watching Thrones.

Should totally do a Rome honest trailer, as a precursor to GoT. Only 2 short seasons and didn't have the issue of waiting for the author to finish the story, 'cause you know, history.

Love the new format!

Also the people voting for Bran include; his Sister, his uncle, his cousin, his cousin's(different cousin) best friend, guy in love with his other sister, woman who swore oaths to his mother and oldest sister. The deck is PRETTY stacked to elect a Stark Most of the former great houses were destroyed or decimated. We have Martell, Baratheon, Greyjoy and Lannister with 1 surviving member. The Tyrells are wiped out. Tully and Arryn are related to the Starks by blood. Anyone surprised a Stark is in on the throne?

The idea that anyone thought S8 was "perfectly fine" is insane. No character was acting like their character, they were fast-travelling everywhere, nothing mattered . . . it was such a mangled mess that it could barely be called a television show.

Regarding talking over the trailer. If I wanted to watch the trailer I'd watch the trailer by itself. I want to hear what you guys have to say and I can't when the trailer is playing over you.