Dance Dance Revolution was perfect actually.

Dark Phoenix would’ve been brilliant!!

Because everyone forgot it existed

Dark Phoenix would have been PERFECT!!! I don't get the Dance Dance Revolution reference at all

@@JeannesMovieChats He dances, dances some more and then there's a revolution? Pretty surface. DDR is an arcade game. Footloose probably fits the DDR title more.

"i had a brother, and he was peferct. PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!" -Rictus

Taylor Bold the plural of vinyl is vinyl

mHerlow I don’t play by the rules, because IM THE JOKER BABY

Well..... she is overrated.

I can’t help but to hear that response in Ed’s Mickey Mouse voice.

@@mHerlow haha same

Seriously! He was actually taking his meds. Was he taking like 14 meds. Most you would probably have to slowly ween off of maybe with a different drug and he's just dropped and stopping cold turkey. Stuff going to happen.

Cody Bishop were you aware that we live in a society?

The movie suggested it was his mental illness that helped drive his violence. That’s a baseless stereotype, that mentally ill people are generally violent.

Over medicating yourself shouldent be needed to keep you none violent. If thats the case, commit or off yourself.

aresef ones taken off their meds and psychological help suddenly usually are

Noztube he clearly didn’t understand the film.

@@mtumasz OR maybe he just wasn't crazy about it.

I wish he'd just say it. He just beats around the bush and tries to shoehorn jokes in.

Those who didn't understand this clearly don't give a shit about other's pain.

Joe will surely hear a Joke soon

i dont think they were saying the 80's were innocent, but the comic book movie 80's versions were. atleast comparatively to what we got in the 2000's

Carl Rood I have people seem to have judged the 80s from the mid 80s where the scariest thing that could occur was Gremlins. They seem to forget the early 80s had to be unnerving with John Lennon’s murder followed shortly by Regan’s shooting.

Cocaine heaven.

Movies inthe 80s were.

I don't think they mean "innocent" as in G-rated, more like pre-9/11 where we operated under the notion that everything was cool and were unaware of the human capacity for violence and hatred.

Joaquin's Joker is not a psychopath.

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Alan! (Edit)I was going to ask you wtf were you talking about until I realized those were airplane windows and then I recognized the raptor hahahaahaha

Who is Ron?

Lol... fixed "Lon" Not to blame autocorrect, but...

Yeah you wouldn't get someone like joker by just one terrible thing happening to him.. that's the point of the movie.

@@BonesWasTaken11 Exactly! I kept wanting to shout "THAT'S THE POINT!" whenever Lon repeated that complaint.

Best scene to show his mental breakdown is when he finds out he was adopted and he's been living a lie his entire life

Yea he gets it the most. Still surprised he didn’t realize Joker was actually going on Murray to kill himself but then decided halfway thru to kill Murray but other than that, spencer gets it way more than the other three. Dans afraid of copycats(rightfully so). Joe thinks it isn’t really a Joker movie(I mean yea. I agree). Lon is just way off base lol.

I figured Joe’s take on it was the best, in that he didn’t go full fan-boy on the movie. He was the most critical of Joker to the point where I’m not sure that he even liked it, or just didn’t like it the way the others loved it.

@@jamonfisk3631 Isn't Lon always off base?

Exactly they set up the city was on the brink

HES THA JOKER BABY

You're right that the point of the movie was the combination of bad events creating the Joker. However, to Lon's point, by not honing in on one specific reason it definitely muddles the theme and message of the movie.

@@jasongeorgis3483 Sometimes it's not just one thing that motivates violence.

@@Andrew-sc6dq Because someone thought it'd be a cool thing to have, I guess.

@@jasongeorgis3483 but isn't that the message? A lot of people experience a terrible event in their lives, that on it's own won't make you a killer. But having a crazy amount of terrible things happening to you without a single break might break you.

2008 : Heath Ledger 's Joker.

Yeah... I think the rebuttal against turning it into a comedy like Thor Ragnarok just highlighted how little he actually thinks through his points.

I did it and after that I saw naked Zazie Beetz in my bedroom.

You want us to die man?

In the theater I was at, nobody laughed at that scene.

@@7superdaimajin Saw the film 3 times in the cinema. People laughed each time.

The greatest comic relief after the kill. I'm glad they dared do that joke. It's perfect.

Larissa Campo exactly, you are shown familial, cultural, societal and governmental lack of empathy, it isn’t that esoteric.

yeah, I got that just by seeing the honest trailer that THEY produced!

Plus, he is ill and without any assistance ... that’s honestly all you need as a turning point.

I agree. It was a "death by 1000 paper-cuts" kind of thing.

You are absolutely correct in my opinion but I would rather say "big turns that get him there". Way to go have a nice day Josh

And like in life, it's the little things that build up and make the most damage as opposed to one big thing.

I would argue that there is no actual turning point. He was already on the straight and narrow path to becoming a danger to society from the very start. We the audience know what other iterations of the Joker have represented, and know full well from our experience in the real world what chaos and destruction and human suffering such individuals can wreak. Because of this precognizance, we the audience DESIRE for there to be a turning point. We want Arthur to be a redeemable figure. We want Gotham to be saved. This is the desire that maintains the level of tension throughout the film. The film teases us constantly with possible turning points, then denies us with finality in the end. But it really is only at the end that we are able to grasp the full picture, and we see what fools we were to have held out any hope for his redemption. It's made pretty clear that he is already irreparably damaged even at the start of the movie. Abuse begets abuse. Brokenness begets brokenness. Gotham already failed his mother and him even before we met the character. The only way that he could have been prevented from propagating the cycle of abuse and brokenness would have been to put him in an institution, or in a jail cell, or in a coffin. He was in absolutely no position to have a clear moral understanding of what he was doing. The law recognizes insanity as a defense against criminal liability, but that doesn't mean that dangerous lunatics are allowed to walk free. No, they're supposed to be sequestered from the rest of society in appropriate high-security institutions. Gotham continued to fail him as the movie progressed. The social worker saw the red flags and didn't bother to report anything to the authorities. His coworker handed a gun to an obviously deranged person. His employer learned about him bringing a gun to a gig at a pediatric ward, and said nothing. His neighbor caught him trespassing in her apartment but kept silent. The police would have caught him sooner if any of these people had done their civic duty and said something. The movie was never an examination of the morality of Arthur's actions-- it was an examination of the immorality of Gotham's inaction and apathy.

Joseph Davidson I think a lot of people who are not interested in comic books went to see it for Joaquim Phoenix. Personally Phoenix and De Niro being in the film were my main reasons to see it. Some of my favourite films are super hero ones but I find there are too many coming out now and their quality is not good (well I don’t like them).

thank you!!! I was about to write the same thing.

For real! They say all the time their lives are so boring compared to what we imagine. I think that's pretty crazy!! I am glad to see he is ok.

Perhaps his car just slid on the road and ended up on a nearby lake. It can happen to anyone.

Clearly some of y'all didn't catch the Office reference (the TV show)

@@papamoosey1595 Why should they?

toddhollen I was thinking the same thing

He truly embraced it with the bloody smile

I think Joker was conceived during the restroom scene but not birthed until he decides to kill Murray.

Yeah, it seems weird for Joe to criticize this one for the joker not taking advantage of the situation he accidentally inspired when this movie isn't really about that. It seems like that was exactly what he realized he could do at the end when he's on that police car. A kind of "oh shit, look what I've done" moment for him. I assume if they ever do make another movie it'll be about him taking advantage of this movement he accidentally inspired. This movies sort of an incomplete origin story in that respect because it didn't give a fuck about the comic books beyond using them to get this made ;p

Yep. It's pretty obvious. But most won't help themselves to honesty. Not even for honest trailers.

@@LanceLust1980HugeTheWarningFan I think it's a blind spot for many in media in regards to Joker. These guys are literally professional projectors, so introspection doesn't cross thier mind when trying to figure out "what the creator is trying to say". They assume Todd thinks HE has something valuable to say about society and mental health, he doesn't think he does. Anyway, I love them all but Joe esspecially shows his cards here

Same thing happens all the time. Just see Fight Club.

But they'll also need to stick the landing unlike glass

Yeah... What I took away from that line was that Joe didn't/wasn't willing to give this movie the emotional leap of faith that he should've. You can make the same comment about Shindlers List and say that behind all the production value it's just a sad story that puts you down, therefore it's a bad movie; but that's doing a disservice to the POINT of the story, and the emotional value put into the film by the creators

I admire your bravery. Saying anything negative about Joker around these parts of the internet is illegal. All jokes aside, I can kind of see your point.

I just posted a similar comment that started with, "I'm almost afraid to say this..." 🤣😜

Yup somehow Joaquin made the awful dialogue work

Finally someone in the comments that’s not spitting bs

You're not supposed to celebrate The Joker. He isn't glorified. They want us to sympathize with Arthur Fleck and fear and condemn the Joker. Arthur died and Joker took his place, somewhere between the train killings and smothering his mom

I think it needs to do more then to just establish a discussion, and on top of that, the movies own director had a weird interpretation of what the discussion should be about.

@@zachfakelastname And... art gives people different views and opinions, likes and dislikes. You can take from it what you want, if the director says 'this is the point', doesn't mean thats what you HAVE to take from it.

@@J_Tevo I'm not saying one is the ONLY way to view it, I'm just saying Phillips seemed to have a different idea of what the movie meant from others who worked on it (which he is allowed to have) and I thought it was noticeable in the movie

That's not true, the movie is about people's lack of empathy and it's fully focused on it, all other themes just support the core one. You read into wrong stuff.

Kds Cool THANK YOU. The movie wasn’t trying to be a deep commentary on class, that was just a backdrop to Arthur’s story.

Rameen, I almost agree it's not a bad commentary. But you don't get the movie whatsoever.

Yup

The acting was wonderful. I had issues with the film, but Joaquin Phoenix makes it worth watching.

We've been doing that since 2016, when we gave the shittiest of them an Oscar for costume design.

Kramer vs Kramer vs Ant-Man vs The Wasp

Benjamin Abramowitz How about a tribute to classic Universal Horror movies with Basil Karlo’s Clayface? That would be fun.

Casablanca except that it's about Captain America helping Peggy Carter and her husband escape Hydra-controlled Morocco.

i would watch captain platoon

I don't think they get much more than what's on their call sheet.

Joker's an anarchist. There, found an agenda for you.

Hari Krishnan best film of the year and getting oscars next 👌

@@thegodhimself1018 Well considering the long list of of average to mediocre films which gets best picture at Oscar's, I would say it has a chance. 😂

Jessica I would like to hear them talk about Parasite

The thing is tho, even then it doesn’t hold up. Joker still chose to be a homicidal criminal and Batman chose to fight crime. Batman was rich, and still a kid. He could have grown up to do much worse. Joker could have easily just imploded, never ended up a murderer, and just got actual help. People are all different, and respond ti distress and trauma differently. “One bad day” makes no sense in a general perspective. Not arguing @ you btw, just the people that take the “one bad day” concept too literally and often to the point of ableism.

DeathnoteBB Access to help, aka money, is the key there. I liked Joker because it showed how asphyxiating poverty can be.

Carla MSM That’s true, but that’s another thing, I hate the ableism and classism of showing how “easily” poor disabled people “go crazy”.

Right on. I feel like it mostly seems to be loved by teenagers that have grown up watching super hero movies and this is their first foray into anything as "realistic' and dark as this. I believe its actually jsut an average movie though.

Bit of a generalization, there's plenty of people who don't "only watch super hero movies" who were riveted with this film.

I didn't find it disturbing, either. They're about a couple thousand years behind, if you ask me. If movies were the cause for societal violence, movies would have been made since the beginning of humanity.

Marc Subnone Thats exactly how I feel

My thoughts are they want to remain relevant, thus they might feel to go against the grain could entail Fandom sponsors withdrawal. Purely speculation. If you want to seem normal and mainstream, one must adhere to social constructs, even though they always seemed to enjoy violence in cinema. Or at least understand it's not there for gratuity. Oh well. They can always go back and watch the Caesar Romero Joker, which is what Lon seems to crave.