@ATyypicaL me too

@ATyypicaL me three

@Travis Clark I'm planning on becoming a pilot in the near future and am currently studying aviation and airport management at university so for me I'll pay extra if it means I get it earlier😔😅

@Travis Clark nah its about $300 I just checked which isn't too bad however for sure I agree if it's in excess of $350 it's better to wait 😔

@Travis Clark thats true 👆🏼

Over a year now and I am still satisfied that this is the best price vs. value yoke available.

I retired from the USAF in 1997 while a Commander at the Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, CA. Also have some F-4 and F-105 flight time. Was on the Source Selection for the ACF (F-16/F-17) way back in 1973-74. What year did you retire from the USAF?

Planes are fake mate

@@daryljoseph1294 I was ROTC and studied Aero Engineering at The Ohio State University and graduated in 1974. Vietnam had just ended so my UPT was delayed a year due to post war cutbacks. I worked that in flight test year for Northrop at Edwards on the YF/17 (losing) side of that competition. Finally made it to Vance AFB for Pilot training class 76-06, first assignment was F-4 to Seymour Johnson AFB and finally flew OV-10 at Sembach AB in Germany for three years. I left AF after 7-1/2 years as O-3 and started my Airline career.

@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 not sure what you mean “fake”...in the simulator?

@@rbarlow no such thing as planes. Its impossible for man to build such things. All Holywood make believe just like moon landing

Glad I could help a little bit.

Good luck...its fun!

@@rbarlow I especially like what you're doing with the virtual reality goggles. I can probably eliminate four screens, lol

@@rbarlow Howdy! Thanks. Notice you didn't put flaps down in stock XP 172sp. Perhaps I didn't hear them. Have you noticed that if you pull power at the numbers with full flaps 30 or even 20 that the 172 drops like a rock (on the GS at 65-70 kias, 300-400fpm on vsi). Seems like there is too much drag with flaps 20 or 30 in ground effect. What is your take? I use Airfoil Labs 172sp also. Same issue. Using Corsair i160 i9 rtx2080ti and XP 11.42 in (experimental model mode). Sometime, if you get time, try KSNA ILS 20R with wind at 56 ft, straight down rwy, 200 magnetic and 10-20 kts. Actually, I would appreciate anyone's opinion. Thanks.

the switches and magneto rotary switch is handy too

Sally Sparks what? Haha

Congrats. Enjoy!

Solar Powered Man yes I am anxious to get my paws on it to see if it’s flight model is as.awesome as it’s scenery. Fingers crossed!

Hey! How do you like it now? Do you feel a difference between the sautés and honeycomb?

Thanks. 😀

The CH is far better than the old Saitek yoke but this is much sturdier and precise than CH. The built in switches and starter key are icing on the cake. Worth the extra $$ IMHO.

Almost 4 years and mins is still great

Thanks Mark....new hobby? Thanks for lurking!

I bought ms flight sim 2020 throw that satek away is all i need to know. I think ill buy this set up for my vr sim.

Swimming is great exercise no matter how many duckets it costs😃. Forgive me but your spellchecker made me smile. Seriously, I think it might be worth waiting for the Charlie rudder pedals coming from Honeycomb. While you wait I suggest you look online at eBay and consider buying a used set of Saitek or CH pedals. They will do the job. I love the VirtualFly Ruddo but they are about $1000. The Thrustmaster TPR are also sturdy at about $600 but for value the Charlie looks attractive.

Thanks Mark

You can always keep a separate stick for aircraft with joystick that's what I did.I use both my yoke and joystick for different planes

@@caribbaviator7058 I have kept my thrustmaster 16000 for just such times.

The Honeycomb Bravo throttle Quadrant is due in November so check it out. Has lots more to offer than just levers I think you can preorder now

@@rbarlow Does the yoke come with the throttle? Or do you have to buy the throttle separately?

😆 The yoke is very precise ... and 23k + flight hours may help too. As the say “Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing... if you can reuse the airplane it is even better”.

@@rbarlow haha very true! I will use that to reassure my passengers on future flights, lol..

@@rbarlow that made me laugh sir :)

Kind of outside my regular topics but maybe. I am a CFI so I did wonder about liability instructing via KZfaq. Thanks for your comments.

Steven Pow its kinda like flaring comes from experience

@@pizza_parker9689 yes like hitting a golf ball. Every landing is slightly different. I even went through slumps during my 40 years in the cockpit. I would have to go back to basics and figure out what bad habit I had learned....like a golfer visiting the swing coach. A Chief Pilot at our airline used to say "You are only as good as your last landing". .... partially a joke and partially true.

@Jason Lee of course the could and in fact did. I ended up purchasing this yoke and would have liked to help support the content creator with my purchase. I didn't make the suggestion in order for them to make tons of money on it (unlikely anyway) I just wanted to show my gratitude for their time and energy. You can hate me, that's cool. I hate your generation just as much.

@@principedinerezza 👏👏👏

Having a wing drop during a stall can lead you right into a spin. Don't want that. The ailerons were used to prevent the spin along with some added power.

@@Beet5090 The use of ailerons can actually cause a wing to stall even harder. Paul was correct, rudder only for recovery, it's natural to want to use ailerons but can lead to a very hard snap roll.

Rudder only technique is just to keep student pilots from overcorrecting with ailerons and killing themselves. You can use ailerons just fine in a stall recovery as long as you prioritize reducing your AoA

@@pyroman590 Disagreed. As long as the aileron input ins't too drastic, it can aid in stall recovery, especially during intentional stalls. Combined with nosing down, aileron input can save you from a spin.

Any view from Russ on this?

Much appreciated

congrats...me too!

There is no detent on this yoke.

Yes COVID-19 and the release of MSFS has created a shortage of all Sim hardware. Too many people at home looking for something fun to do.

The Cannabis Experts occulus RiftS

Hi Mark Using Rift S now and love it. Have a Reverb G2 on preorder. Had the original Rift and it was good but Rift S is much better and inside out tracking means no sensors necessary. I have several videos on my cockpits but the one on VR is here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i5ljhsyHvteXZp8.html

I agree... pilot power!

Jaap Steenis I have only done VR in X-Plane but is works natively with Oculus (no SteamVR required) and I have found it easy to set up and use. I have had 3 HMD, the original Rift, Samsung Odyssey Plus, and the RiftS. The RiftS hands down is the best so far. It has the best visual resolution, biggest sweet spot, is compact and light, and the inside out tracking eliminates the sensors and additional usb cables and restrictions on where you can play . The only down sides are I miss the actual over ear speakers the other headsets had to block ambient sounds although the RiftS speaker setup is usable. Also I have a normal IPD but if your eyes are not spaced in the acceptable range there is no physical adjustment since one LCD serves both eyes. As for the OLED vs LCD differences I really haven’t noticed but I fly mostly in daytime scenes. Hope that helps.

Gino... sorry but the pedals I am using on that demo are the discontinued Saitek Combat Rudder pedals (see www.saitek.com/uk/blog/index.php/the-new-saitek-pro-flight-combat-rudder-pedals ). I find the standard Saitek/Logitech pedals as all plastic and not very good. The CH are also lacking. IMHO the best without force feedback are the VirtualFly RUDDO pedals (see www.virtual-fly.com/en/shop/controls/ruddo-step-on-for-real ) but they are almost $1000. I own these and they are awesome. They have force transducers in the toe brakes so you apply pressure and not an angular movement like most others. Much more realistic for me. The Thrustmaster TPR (see www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tpr-thrustmaster-pendular-rudder) are quite strong but I have only read others reviews but at about $500 should be a affordable contender. Precision Flight Controls (see flypfc.com/product-category/rudder-pedals/ ) has some rudders that are robust but are as expensive as the RUDDO. Hoping that Honeycomb will have an entry level option some day. Good luck.

They are Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals which are no longer available from Logitech. May be available used on eBay.

@@rbarlow Thankyou for the reply, Russ. I'm inclined on the new thrustmaster pedals, been hearing some good things about it.

Steven Williamson yes Almost Aviation’s KZfaq channel has reported on this rather extensively. Have you seen his videos?

@@rbarlow Yes, that is how I found out about the hidden calibration routine - I don't know of anyone else who has been told how to invoke the cal procedure.

C.E. Sherrod contact me via gmail and I can probably help

No a mouse works too

well you can see how the Alpha Yoke mounts into a Stay Level Avionix panel at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9x2ZpB9xLOdhas.html As for my plans, a custom panel was going to cost about $1000 including design and shipping so I decided to stick with the wood one I built for the time being. I am planning a single touchscreen with a knobster that will mount on the Alpha. Then a second could mount on the Bravo throttle quadrant. It would offer the same possibilities but no switches are necessary since the Alpha and Bravo have them. Watch this channel for updates.

@@rbarlow Hi Russ, Would you recommend the two 15.6" touchscreens for this config?

in real life the pitch resistance depends on the configuration of flight - sometimes slushy, sometimes hard. I'll be excited when upgrading to a force feedback yoke.

If the Throttle was purchased along with the Saitek yoke it has a PS2 plug which connects it to the yoke and cannot be used separately. I even tried a ps2 to USB adapter to no avail. The Saitek(now Logitech) throttle quadrants sold separately have a USB connection and work with any other yoke. Sorry for the bad news but I have an unusable PS2 throttle too.

@@rbarlow I will be in the same boat when my Honeycomb arrives next week. Curious if you tried connecting the Saitek yoke just to use the throttle and wondering (other than physical space considerations) if there was any issue with both yokes connected (with the Saitek yoke of course not mapped to anything)?

To be honest I haven’t tried the new XPC except at an exhibition for a few minutes. It is pretty much the same feel as the original unit but without the hall sensors, as you said. Unless you need XBOX compatibility I don’t know it is worth $100 more as my non-hall yoke seems fine after 4 years use.

I think it is still not available….if Honeycomb could develop things faster they could have already cornered the market….instead they have shown the market potential to many new competing manufacturers

There are quite a few out there but maybe when I get my new headset. Thanks!

For a cockpit that is fixed and has hardware switches I would choose the VirtualFly YOKO plus. They cost about $1000. Super sturdy and all metal with ball bearing rollers on the shaft. Downside is no switches beyond those on the yoke handles itself.

Just go to the joystick settings and select the honeycomb yoke. Then as you select each control button it will highlight to identify itself on the settings. You can select from the list the function(XPlane command) you want connected to that button position. Does that help?

Russ Barlow Hi, Thanks for the reply. Once I get the yoke, I will follow your procedures. Thanks again

VETTE 1981 there is a utility program with Oculus software called Oculus Mirror and using the built in Windows10 game screen capture See the article below for details skarredghost.com/2017/05/25/use-oculus-mirror-make-virtual-reality-gameplay-videos/

@@rbarlow ... Wow ... Thank you Russ for such a quick response and taking the time to sending me this link... I will give it a try ... Also want to thank you for all of your tutorials in which I have learned alot from you... AND I MEAN A LOT.... Keep up the great work .... Thanks again..... Rob

I set the hat switches to move view left/right and move view up/down, and another switch to move view forward/backward. That way I can adjust seat position to where I want it. I thought about building a small arduino control box to be a seat position adjustment but haven't yet. In the vr preferences (in aircraft folder) there is a Default view position for each aircraft. You can manually adjust that so you reset to your favorite position at default reset. Just adjust your position and get the coordinates using Data Ref Tool. You only need to change the X,Y, and Z VR default position as the default view directions are fine.

@@rbarlow Thanks for the reply. So that is the how. Is the why just because you prefer it? I'm 6'2" and when I was in a 172's left seat, all I could see was what the default XP view is - just dash. The top front edge of the dash was the highest thing, so there was no nose visible. I don't know if the real thing has seat height adjustment or not. The 150 I train in gives me the view I want, like yours here, where I can see a bit of the nose over the dash. That is something that puts me off with the 172.

I didn’t notice any dead zones in my yoke. I have been using my yoke for almost a year and am quite happy with it. I know some have tested and found a dead zone but if mine has one I don’t feel it and think it is one of the best sim yokes I have used at this price range.

My first yoke was the Saitek(Logitech) and I never was able to get it right. My problem was the center detention that made it feel artificial and difficult to trim. Changing the response curve can only adjust the rate the control is input and not the magnitude. I don’t remember not enough pitch during flare but that the springs resisted smooth movement. You may have a defective unit. I initially switched to the basic CH yoke and despite being plastic it was actually not bad.... no detent and smooth. It is mot too expensive. The honeycomb alpha and my VirtualFly Yoko plus are both very good. Unless they have changed the design recently I would try another option even if it is the CH. Sorry to provide discouraging news but that is my opinion.

Russ Barlow thank you for replying. Think i will invest in the honeycombe one and give up on logitech.

No problem as they are all USB human interface devices and are plug and play in any sim. I intermix Saitek/Logitech, CH, Honeycomb, and VirtualFly in with no problem. You can even buy interface boards from Leo Bodnar (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8d8q8am1tHXnZs.html ) in Europe or Desktop Aviators ( www.desktopaviator.com/Pages/Boards/index.html } and build your own hardware using encoders, potentiometers, switches, buttons, ect.

Throttle quadrant will come out mid summer 2020

I think there is way too much swooning over this honeycomb yoke. It has some major shortcomings that need to be fixed before it is viable as a simulator accessory.

Harvey yes the Bravo throttle quadrant will come in November. There is no throttle on the yoke because it would be redundant with Bravo. In the meantime I use an old Saitek throttle quadrant I have.the rudders are independent so CH will work fine with the Alpha yoke.

Interesting. Most force feedback yokes start about $2000 so that would be awesome if possible.

Each has it's benefit. That my change if accurate hand tracking/input comes along. For now it is tough and somewhat counter-immersive to have to pick up and set-down controllers to manipulate the sim. For landings and maneuvers nothing compares to VR. Mabe some day I will have a single sim. VR with high resolution and wide FOV, hand tracking, motion platform and force feedback. My dream list.