How accurate is the Syil X7

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2 жыл бұрын

In this video we machine a small part and then take it to a local shop and have it measured on a CMM. This is the best way to show the true accuracy of the Syil X7. Include all the data from the CMM on screen at the end of the video.

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@Hanal503 2 ай бұрын

Weak machine!

@MaDuceRules 2 ай бұрын

Really! That’s all you got?

@Hanal503 2 ай бұрын

@@MaDuceRules but how? High speed machining we need ..time is 💰

@JuanCristobalZagal 2 ай бұрын

This is one of the very few really quantitative (not just qualitative) videos that describe the performance of a CNC machine on the Internet. Indeed I remember that my Tormach loss the ability to make good circular pockets when one of its axis got backslash.... Thanks for the video!

@mexican_machinaner7532 2 жыл бұрын

Probably the best Syil video I've found to date on these machines. You absolutely earned this sub. Hope to see more genuinely informative content!

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks David. I have lots more content shot that just needs edited. Been to busy to get to it.

@rock3tcatU233 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best review on Syil machines I've come across.

@CapeCodCNC 2 жыл бұрын

That was a fantastic video! Looking forward to seeing more...

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! More on the way.

@MrRctintin 2 жыл бұрын

Thats a great result!! I have the same X7 mill, but with Siemens Controller, so far, absolutely loving it.

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Yup we couldn’t be happier with it so far.

@MrRctintin 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules looking forward to seeing your future videos 👍

@gunhappyie 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks for posting

@nahuperez2507 2 ай бұрын

Very good machine!

@rgetso 2 жыл бұрын

If I hadn't already had $10k+ in CAT40 tooling, I would've gone with the X7. I really like the controllers available for the X7.

@redsaidfred6491 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video! Thanks for sharing!

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Thank! No problem

@hamzanawaz7945 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful Video.

@gowest811 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@tonydique4554 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s impressive. Thank you!

@jonathanbatson6541 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting for sure; One thing that would be cool to test would to add a GD&T dims. Being a CMM programmer myself try the following; |C | Top Surface as A, Flatness: .002" | Datum B Perpendicular to: A 0.001" | ___________________ Datum C Perpendicular to: A|B 0.002" | | | O O | TP of two holes: 0.002" to A|B|C | | Cylindricity to 0.001" |___________________| ____B

@masoncnc 2 жыл бұрын

just for comparison, I work on very expensive CNC mills that'll swing much bigger arcs to a roundness of .00008". Not to brag but as an actual complement on how good this Syil is. This snob is impressed.

@NaterTater 2 жыл бұрын

Cool! Great to see an actual user test out this with a CMM. Impressive. It looked like a space satellite or something when you unboxed it!

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Without data you just another…….well you know the saying. LOL!

@basjanhoogenberg9508 2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see some objective assessment of how well the machine is. Are there more reports of parts that you could share?

@TrPrecisionMachining 2 жыл бұрын

good video

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@alexanderjamesINC 2 жыл бұрын

Good video but I want to see the rapids of this thing. What are they like? What about cutting at high IPM, how is the part accuracy then?

@mannycalavera121 2 жыл бұрын

Really impressive for a machine without glass scales. Our haas machines aren't that accurate

@MJPilote 2 жыл бұрын

Well try babying it the same way and you will get nice accuracy. Very moderate DOC feeds and speeds,, still you could hear a slight chatter. Bu to be honest Syil got the servo loop tuned right, that is not given on many Haas machines, they could benefit from a better pid loop tuning on the servos. Ballbar test gives you a more than honest view on how a machine is tuned. And no I'm not trying to put these machines down, for the money they are excellent machines. This entry level machines really enable people to start manufacturing, and the mysticism of cnc made parts becomes more available to smaller businesses. There was a time cnc machining was like black magic, only very few people where doing it, machines where immensely expensive.

@masoncnc 2 жыл бұрын

@@MJPilote you certainly know what you're talking about

@travism9376 2 жыл бұрын

Mention China CNC mill in the USA and the keyboard warriors attack! Thinking of getting one of these machines in Australia. Thanks for the video.

@7alfatech860 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice video, and great accuracy! Nice to see the "unboxing" at the end. How did you take it off the pallet and positioned in your shop? And which phase converter are you using? Thanks. BTW, got directed to you by a video Nerdly did this morning.

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

We have a forklift with that is right on the edge of the needed capacity. We went really slow. LOL! We went with the American Rotary AD15. That’s the one Syil recommends however we already had it. The best price is on Amazon. I was watching Jay this morning also. Kind of getting the mention. I’m working on my on camera skills.

@7alfatech860 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules Thanks for the info!

@sportbob06 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules How big was your forklift?

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

@@sportbob06 it’s a 3000 pound forklift the we routinely lift 3600 with it. But that’s close to the mast. The X7 puts a lot a weight at the end of the forks. We had to rent a larger forklift to unload it from the semi trailer. It’s over 4000 pounds shipping weight.

@lancenguyen9175 2 жыл бұрын

Great content. Could you give personal insight and experience on the customer service provided for the Syil X7? Thanks champ.

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

I'm in the US and they have been great. However I have not had any real problems. Emails have been answered promptly and the tech support guys are available almost 24/7. I have Texted them on a Sunday more then once if they would be available to talk to answer a few questions. They have always taken my calls or given me a time to contact them. So no complaints. Again though I have had no issues really just question early in owning the machine.

@Lwimmermastermetalart 3 ай бұрын

First off thank you for the video, it was informative. I do have a few comments and honestly I’m not trying to be a smart ass in anyway. I’m not sure if this was machined this way just for the video or what but why wouldn’t you use a shell mill to do the face surfacing instead of that small diameter end mill? Maybe because the tool change time is so slow? Even if you had rapids 100% it’s still lengthy. Obviously for clarity you didn’t run coolant. That would most likely increase accuracy a tiny bit as well. I really hope this was made this way just to show things because OMG what a waste of material thickness wise. How on earth did you ever get such a simple part to machine? Seriously even using a Haas VF-2SS would blow that time away. However I do believe those machines are a great bang for the buck. You certainly wouldn’t want to be making that part on something like a Heller 😂 I’d love to see what the results would be after several years of use. Especially if you were cutting steel opposed to aluminum. There you go…..an idea for a future video 😜. In my experience most inexpensive machines cut good when new but then…….well not so much. I think this was filmed and edited nicely.Too many ppl are clueless on how to film a good video. Nice job young man. 🤙🏻

@MaDuceRules 3 ай бұрын

It’s a one off part just for this video.

@Lwimmermastermetalart 3 ай бұрын

@@MaDuceRules Ah ha! Explains it all. Thank you

@DimensionMachine Жыл бұрын

Great vid. perhaps you have covered it elsewhere but I am curious what your total cost delivered was for this little beast if you are willing to share.

@MaDuceRules Жыл бұрын

I really need to do a video on this. Total cost was about 40k US. That’s everything rigging, RPC, wiring, shipping, machine options and miscellaneous stuff.

@DimensionMachine Жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules That would make a great vid. Thanks for answering!

@vaccarofrancesco72 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, the video is impressive, thanks for sharing. I am also thinking of buying one SYIL X7 but I am still in the evaluation/budgeting stage... May ask you some if you don't mind? How much did you spend for the SYIL X7? And, I saw that you measured the result after machining with a Zeiss Calypso software suite. What is the machine you are using for probing with Calypso? Expensive one? Thanks in advance for your answers, if you like to. BR

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure there is any cheap CMM machines. LOL we took the part to a shop that had the CMM. They do a lot of parts for the medical industry so there inspection has to be very well controlled. Prices very depending on where you are located.

@jasonalper7898 9 ай бұрын

I think it is a valid question, was it 20k or closer to 200k? i think most want to know a round about, @@MaDuceRules

@MaDuceRules 9 ай бұрын

@@jasonalper7898 Zeiss Contura. ~150k

@nikhowe2601 Жыл бұрын

Did you wear comp the tool at all for diameter? Or is that programmed at the nominal diameter for the tool?

@MaDuceRules Жыл бұрын

No tool or wear comp was used.

@Z-add Жыл бұрын

Can it so inprocess probing and then make adjustments to get the correct tolerances.

@kyleflorek7074 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice! At 7:00 is that a 3/8"? what is your surface speed, chip size, and depth of cut? I have an X7 and haven't been able to get a 3/8" 4 flute to take a real chip without it complaining in the Y axis.

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a Helical 3 flute 3/8 Z Plus. 8400 RPM and 75 inches per minute. .100 depth of cut and feed per tooth is .0029.

@kyleflorek7074 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules Thank you!

@kyleflorek7074 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules Just a quick follow up question, is the depth 1.00? The perimeter pass looks more than 0.1. I'm going to try your settings and see if we can match what you're doing. Thanks!

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

@@kyleflorek7074 Yup 1.0” dept of cut. Sorry about that.

@kyleflorek7074 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules all good! just checking before I run it. Thanks again

@killerfungis 2 жыл бұрын

When fully extended, what is the max height on this unit ? Looks like it will fit in most garages with 96" ceiling contact.

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

I have not measured mine but the manual says 89 inches.

@BecomingOffgrid 2 жыл бұрын

Where do you get your material stock from?

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Alro Metals

@SanpietroDesigns 9 ай бұрын

The website shows that the X7 is 77” tall. Is that correct? Appreciate it you could give me the dimension from top to bottom with the spindle at its highest point.

@MaDuceRules 9 ай бұрын

It’s 89” with the spindle at the highest point. 77 is to the top of the cabinet.

@alexandrucosmin90 2 жыл бұрын

this is metric raport?

@MaDuceRules 2 жыл бұрын

Inches

@alexandrucosmin90 2 жыл бұрын

@@MaDuceRules not bad at all anyway... now I see is deviation... not out of tolerance. I'm used with a raport where I have out of tollerance... so that 0.005+0.00061 let say, become a mess. But I read again the table and is just 0.00061 from 0. :D