the "few things" vs "few trees" distinction makes a HUGE difference, not only because he's killing more than just trees, but also because he knows and acknowledges the fact that hes killing more than just trees.

I remember seeing this comment on Biggering, "What's wrong producers, or whoever was in charge? Hit too close to home?" and I think about that sometimes

How Bad Can I Be is The Once-ler denying what he's doing is wrong. Biggering is The Once-ler admitting what he's doing is wrong, and that he doesn't care.

I like both songs but I feel like Biggering is closer to how the book was supposed to be

Biggering = beautiful eargasms

Biggering is pretty clearly the remnant of an earlier, darker draft of the script. You couldn't just plug a song that sounds like that and includes the line "who cares if some THINGS are dying" (rather than "trees") into a movie with the tone of the final version. I'd love if an earlier script draft were leaked, like the original Gremlins draft that was more violent. The Thneedville demo having Ted interested in getting a tree so he can be the first kid on his block to have one, rather than so he can get a girl to like him, also indicates that the story used to be very different.

When I heard "Biggering", I instantly felt it was a shame it didn't make it in the actual movie. It's a powerful song. And while I liked "How bad can I be" some time ago (now I find it quite annoying), "Biggering" is obviously superior.

If Illumination bothered to give Once-ler’s devolution of character more than three minutes they could have kept both songs. Start with *How Bad Can I Be?* , with the protagonist cheerfully jumping around, wondering if the growth of his corporation is really that bad of a thing. Keep the “who cares if a few trees are dying”, cause really, the damage is not that visible at first. It’s just a dozen of trees, there’s more. And then, after the persona of Once-ler is established, proceed with *Biggering* . At first he underplayed the damage to comfort himself, but now it’s too glaring to be ignored and he doesn’t care. Now finish with “who cares if some things are dying” for some juicy cinematic parallels and highlight of the nature of the slippery slope of pride and greed Gosh, bruh, so much potential straight outta the window. Biggering is a bop, plus the music and vocals are much stronger and more aggressive, it could have been such a beautiful shift of tone

"How Bad Can I Be" is what the Once-ler told Ted. "Biggering" is what actually happened.

The biggest gripe I have with the movie is that they didn’t have the balls to show what happened if you couldn’t afford the air.

How Bad Can I Be isn't trying to justify the Oncler's destruction of the environment; it's the Oncler trying to justify the destruction to HIMSELF, and we as the audience are supposed to see that as an empty lie.

Choosing the catchy, easy song instead of the challenging, thought provoking one, yep, that sound like Illumination alright, this movie could've been so much better

I was listening to the Lorax OST and in the Thneedville demo, Ted starts singing about all the stuff he doesn't have and that all he needs to be happy is "all the stuff i never nad" and i think that wouldve been an excellent foil to biggering, especially how the onceler talks about all that he ever needed.

I really like Biggering. It is a great song. I actually like more the original demo songs of the Lorax. It is more varied, better for characterization overall, and with nice lyrics. From the amazing Biggering to the funny as hell Onceler traveling madness.

I actually really like both songs, but I do feel like Biggering would’ve worked better in the movie. It gets across the message and gives the Once-ler more character. I have to say that HBCIB is really catchy, though. HBCIB is my favorite song in the movie, but I do prefer Biggering for the story.

I just can’t believe the creators of the movie decided to take out ‘Biggering’ because it was “too real” for kids

I'm Really late but Biggering feels like a villainy song How bad can I be feels like a pop song of course illumination choose the pop song

There's another dark layer to the line, "Who cares if a few things are dying", any human living in Thneedville at the time with any health problems that affect the respiratory system (asthma, cystic fibrosis, etc.) and/or have a disease that makes them immunocompromised are screwed. All those health problems are going to be exasperated and would have been made much deadlier.

it was cut out because it was "too dark." What illumination? Did biggering hit too close to home for you? I mean think about it, by replacing biggering with "how bad can I be?" they were BIGGERING by making the message watered down and completely ignoring the point to save their own asses.

"A bunch of people prefer How Bad Can I Be to Biggering" A bunch of people happen to be fuckin' wrong.

How bad can I be does one thing right, in that it shows that someone can tell themselves all manner of excuses as for why it's alright for them to take more and more. But it fails in that it refuses to examine the damages done to the animals and the environment. Literally all it does is show goop being poured on the fish, the birds getting hit with smog, and the trees getting cut down. The biggest and in my opinion the best line in Biggering is straight up the realization that things, animals, are dying because of his actions. And he doesn't care about that. His need for money has overtaken his need to ensure that the animals that he made friends with, are safe and able to survive while he makes a comfortable living for himself. Add in the fact that the Onceler is no longer the 'innocent entrepreneur turned corporate head', but is the 'innocent entrepreneur who was totally going to do as he said, until his family came along and badgered him into growing the company' It maintains the Onceler as an innocent. It's not *his* fault, per se, his manipulative bitchy mother came along and made him feel like it was all for her, he needed to do it or she'd be upset. "You've gotta do what's best for the business. . .And your momma." Which is manipulative as shit and the Onceler is just a helpless stooge that does as his mother says. He's innocent, he's not getting the corporate greed, he's trying to take care of his family! That's only natural, you can't blame him for that, can you? It should be noted a message that sometimes family is wrong, and sometimes family uses you is important, but it's *NOT THE MESSAGE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET FROM THE LORAX* The message you get is supposed to be 'Hey y'know guys maybe if we could reign back the corporate greed, maybe we wouldn't be in quite the huge fucking mess we're in'. Biggering lays it all out on the line. People can say HBCIB is subtle, and supposed to be satire, but the impact of Biggering is like a goddamn anvil to the head, in a way that HBCIB cannot possibly even hope to match. It explains how people work. How people tend to get comfortable. . .And then want more. And take more and more pride in all their stuff. That they never knew they 'needed'. It turns the Lorax from a quiet begger and pleader, who doesn't even get a line in HBCIB, into a force. Someone trying to convince the Onceler that no, this is too much. He's hurting people, he's hurting the Lorax's friends. This is unsustainable, and if you keep feeding that need to get bigger, that need to keep biggering, it's all going to fall apart.

I hate how they replaced "the biggering" to make the movie more relatable, completely ruining the message in the process so they could do exactly what it is warning against. They make the Oncler seem more like someone who was just pressured by his mom to make bad decisions rather than someone who was consumed by greed and economic growth so that more people would like him and watch the movie more. By doing this, they changed the Lorax from being a cautionary tale against the dangers of capitalism and over using resources to being a story about yet another "quirky" main character who makes bad decisions to fit in. Not only that but The Biggering is a way better song than HBCIB in general, it also has so much more raw emotion, and that is just the demo! Imagine how much better the movie would be if they put the biggering in instead, or at least made it a reprise to HBCIB. Don't get me wrong, your family isn't always right and you can't just do anything they say, but *that isn't the theme of the lorax.* Or is that what they wanted us to get out of this decision? By letting the lorax advertise for cars that help pollute the earth? Are they trying to show us that this is a real thing that takes place in our everyday life?

I'd rather have both. with "How Bad can I be" being the major cord build up, where the Onceler is blind to the problem, and the problems haven't yet escalated too far. Then after a few moments of the Lorax confronting him and exposing the truth to him, then The minor cord "Biggering" shows how he acknowledges the affects of his actions but actively choosing to more forward anyways. that way there is more focus on how we got there, and just replace the beginning and end with the ones from the book. This way the two songs become reflections of each other. one is the lies we tell ourselves that cause the problem, and the second the pride and greed that not only keep us from fixing said problem, but grow it. If we ever go back to remake this film I hope both come back but better! and that's my very long two cents!

I was surprised to hear "Biggering" on the soundtrack, as it didn't really sound like any other song that made it to the film. This is a good sum of the thoughts I had about it, but the film only goes so deep, so Biggering would almost come off as overwrought when the rest of the movie never makes so much of itself. My favorite things about Biggering *is* the music itself, though; the conversational set up had me thinking of the way songs like "Happiness is a Warm Gun" and "Paranoid Android" sound like acts in a play, and when Onceler's guitar comes back in with his final verse, it has a bit of a "Working Man," vibe.

I would say that How Bad Can I Be is catchier, and fully inhabits the Onceler's perspective, starting at a point at which he really isn't that bad, and shows how he doesn't see any difference between his earlier and more innocent and sustainable behavior and his later abuses of the environment. He denies the Lorax's warnings that his business could be destructive , and continues this denial even as it becomes obviously false. Because of how fully it reinforces the Onceler's uncomplicated perspective, it lacks depth and substance, similarly it's perspective of the Lorax as a petty annoyance lines up with how the Onceler would perceive him at this point in his life. In contrast, Biggering approaches it from an outside perspective, the lyrics are still largely from The Onceler's perspective, but the tone is much more ominous, contrasting the carefree facade he's trying to project. It is less catchy and focused, but deeper and more substantive. While HBCIB is focused on a single perspective, hoping that it's hypocrisy will be made apparent by the lyrics and visuals, Biggering is an interplay of perspectives. The Onceler says he's happy, that he's gratified, that if he just gets a bigger office, a bigger desk, everything will be hunky dory, but the grungy melody and baseline gives the lie to that idea, shows how deeply unhappy he is. How he is consumed by his greed and hunger for ever more, how the constant growth he thinks will make him happy is actually making him miserable, like an addiction. When the Lorax makes his case, we listen to him not just because of the music building behind his words and the choir echoing him, but because the music has been telling us this the whole time. How Bad Can I Be presents the situation as a comedy while Biggering presents it as a tragedy. The film forces the main thread of the book into a single musical number, focusing instead on the basically fine world before this environmental devastation, and the empty, plastic, but still livable world built on the ashes of the living world. If the film was going to shrink from it's own main point in this way, Biggering is indisputably the better song, as it fully encapsulates the complexity of the situation, but ideally a single musical number would not be burdened with encapsulating the entire plot of the book. I like How Bad Can I Be, but ideally it would be just one part of the story of the Onceler's fall from grace, counterpointed with a song from the Lorax explaining the flaws in this perspective, and a song from the Onceler once the last tree has been cut about his regret that he didn't stop sooner. In this way each of the perspectives that make up Biggering could be given the same clarity and purity of expression as the Onceler's pride, greed, and willful ignorance of the consequences of his actions is in HBCIB. How Bad Can I Be is catchy and focused , while Biggering is deep and dense. How Bad Can I be replacing Biggering is just another consequence of a movie that is supposed to be about industrialism and its consequences flinching as intensely as possible from actually depicting industrialism and its consequences.

I actually liked HBCIB; it's kind of air-headed and vapid, yeah, but I never got the impression from it that we were supposed to agree with the Onceler justifying his actions to himself. Collecting the charity proceeds for himself, framing the Lorax's endorsement, even just the crazy dutch angles that put us at the mercy of his chopping machines, he's thoroughly villainized in the song. However, Biggering is much better -- musically, lyrically, and tonally. It *is* the rebuttal to HBCIB, and it's a showstopping one at that. I think it should have been used alongside HBCIB, as a callback. That way, the catchy emptiness of HBCIB would be properly put in its place, and moreover, the Onceler would be explicitly shown as self-deluded.

Imagine working on biggering when the studio axes it because it’s so effective at the message

My favorite part about biggering is its portrayal of The Lorax. In How Bad Can I Be, he just pathetically tries to stop the onceler by just standing in his way. But here, he feels more like a frustrated forest spirit, explaining to the onceler why what he's doing is wrong, and why he feels justified in doing so. He sounds fed up, a figure that exists to caution even though he has no real power to stop the onceler and knows it

Biggering is so huge and dramatic and dark and I legitimately want to make an entire cartoon around that version. It is, also, in fact, METAL AS F**K. 🤘

Biggering > how bad can I be. I found out about biggering about a week ago and omg how my eyes were opened to what that film could have been.

The primary flaw of "How Bad Can I Be," is not the self-victimization through equating greed with nature, but in the ironic glorification of greed as ideal. "How Bad Can I Be" is a catchy pop-rock tune because (aside from being more marketable) it is meant to invade the mindspace of the listener, and much like how by his melancholic monologues Milton's Satan evokes sympathy in readers of Paradise Lost, make the audience genuinely identify with the desires of the Oncler, who by the end of the song is shown to be fallen from his initial state of naive and idealistic grace to a corrupt and destructive existence. The problem herein is that this is a children's film, and a moral meant to be learned through identifying with a successful character only to feel shame upon realizing the extant of that character's corruption is TOO SUBTLE A MESSAGE. By comparison, "Biggering" is much more straightforward in its presentation of its point, because it directly addresses the moral dilemma of greed and corporate growth conflicting with the desire for sustainability. I agree that "Biggering" is the better song in terms of theme and presentation, and genuinely believe that it should have been in the film rather than "How Bad Can I Be." However, I sincerely believe that you failed to properly analyze and then summarily dismissed the latter song due to preexisting bias against it based on your own personal taste in musical styles. (On a related note, you don't seem to know what stylistically constitutes Rap, which would warrant its own discussion, but that is neither here nor there.)

This reminds me of a comment from another video about how "how bad can I be" gives us the memes and Biggering gives us the good quality we wanted the movie to have

I think they should have had both. Biggering reuses some lyrics from How Bad Can I Be so having it as a darker version later on would be super powerful

I feel like if you changed a couple of lyrics, Biggering, with its darker and more solemn tone could actually have been used after How Bad Could I Be, showing how Onceler reflects upon his actions when looking at the desolate landscape that he created, realizing how corrupt he became and how he never meant to take it this far, but what's done is done and now he has to cope with his actions

This shows that Illumination still has the same good writers that made the original despicable me, they just don't use them. The original movie was supposed to be about corporate consumerism and the greed of businesses, how even a likable person can turn out to be a monster if enough money is involved. Sounds similar to something you might have expected from 2000s Dreamworks, who are now also under illumination's thumb. But they dumbed it down repeatedly, changing ted's motivation from consumerism based greed into a childhood crush, changing the onceler from a truly corrupted individual at the end into a naive and ignorant destroyer. If the original story was kept, this would have been considered the second good movie that illumination made. But funnily enough, the ideals of consumerism that the original screenplay warns against ended up ending this message because it was "too dark" and "not marketable", instead going with a light message of basic environmentalism. Then, once it came out, the Lorax had 70 corporate tie-ins. A real shame.

Biggering is a masterpiece, whoever decided to cut it deserves to be fired

I love how more popular this opinion is becoming. But basically, this is how the songs are: How Bad Can I Be = Ignorance Biggering = Intention

Me: Mom, can we have Biggering? Mom: We have Biggering at home! Biggering: *How bad can I be*

I feel like having both songs in the movie, would have been really good, I think listening to HBCIB first, and in the background see Lorax speaking, but we as the audience, not be able to listen to him, and then immediately going to Biggering and be able to listen to Lorax and see that HBCIB is basically a combination of a PR stunt and a justification of the Onceler actions to himself, plus it would feel like that scene in Mulan where they are singing A girl worth fighting for and them the destruction caused by war and see the difference in the mood of the scenes

Biggering actually FITS with the plot, it gives a reason for why trees matter. The onceler is supposed to represent companys and how they abuse the environment. How bad can I be is just... a mediocre version of biggering, its just answering a question with- well a question. It doesn't fit with the plot as well. They're just to scared to admit this is how companies work and left it.

I will die on the hill that Biggering is 10x better message-wise, slaps 100x harder, and just altogether is absolutely world-shattering.

I was like jumping in excitement when you took the time to explain THAT'S NOT WHAT SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST IS like yes, THANK YOU!

I think "who cares if SOME THINGS are dying" also includes humans as well. Health hazards from air pollution comes to mind. Side tangent: the chorus is more powerful in Buggering than in the latter. It just reminds me of Queen and Panic.

Honestly,biggering made me cry. I usually don't cry but I also noticed that his guitar represented him,his personality. Towards the end,at the peak of his evil,it stopped,representing that he was not who he once was,and is now totally consumed by his greed and pride. Biggering is a powerful song,something that the makers of the Lorax said was "too scary for little kids",when in reality,they thought it was too real.

To be honest, I really love "how bad can I be", as it is catchy, upbeat and easy to sing along, but DAMN! "Biggering" is just in another level. Less a song to sing along and more one you hear with intent, that requires your attention, that questions everything.

Another thing that I like about Biggering is that Onceler sounds a lot more calm at the starts, but when we get to the "Who cares if some things are dying" line, he sounds a lot more shouty. I also like the "I don't want to hear you crying" part, more so in agreement with the interpretation that he's saying that the customers are just as much to blame because they were buying from his corporation and causing it to succeed.

I think that The Prince of Egypt has one of the best sound tracks for an animated movie. Most of the orchestral music was composed by Hans Zimmer, and the songs are very well written too. I highly suggest watching it if you haven't seen it already or just listen to the sound track. The Hunchback of Notre Dame, also has a great sound track. When movies have good music it almost has the same effect as listening to a good concept album for me haha.

I honestly didn’t know “biggering” existed but now I know it and listened to it, I love it and “how bad can I be” is too 2000s kids bop/pop

The fact biggering was mentioned in the book and how bad can I be was just never mentioned

I think the most impactful message of buggering isn't this is evil. It's that the Onclers actions are driven more by his pride than anything.

Many have philosophized over the ideas of whether or not human kind’s morals are objective or subjective. How Bad Can You Be says you are naturally evil under a certain set of circumstances. Biggering says you can choose whether you’re good or bad. I think we both know what’s the more mature and better song.

"How bad can I be" isn't even that bad of a song in a bubble imo, but they should have at least made it out as the onesler was actually just making excuses and trying to convince himself that it's not his fault and that it's not so bad. But they don't do that, and it literally comes off as the the movie itself being delusional. But it was just so tonally off for what it should have been. "Biggering" had the potential of being one of biggest/best villain song ever. Something on the lines of Hellfire from Notredame. I genuinely think it's that good. Such a missed opportunity.

Even leaving aside meaning, rock opera like Biggering is sorely missing these days. You get bubblegum pop like How Bad every day on the radio, re-introduce some WEIGHT and grit and actually make a statement, and get some kids into ROCK

Honestly the Lorax should've had a darker tone and stuck with biggering, I know the movie was made for kids but the message they tried to send was much darker than they could. they basically took a skull and crossbones and turned it into sugar and candy and dressed it up to lose it's meaning. I kinda like how bad can I be however biggering hits harder not only in tone but also in message, it would've been more impactful and done more for the film than what we got in the final version.

Honestly biggering is better because the song itself is him, somber, weighted down and alone. Noone is trying to drown him out, nothing is acting all cheery and light, and nothing is being sugarcoated

When i heard biggering, it gave me literal chills, especially when i hear "Who cares if somethings are dying" Its not just trees, It can be animals, environment, etc and especially humans-

I like How Bad Can I Be, and of course the Onceler is trying to justify things to himself, because what he's doing feels so amazing he can't stop, or don't want to. and the poppy catchiness fits with his mindset where it's so easy to lose himself in it than thinking too much about it (maybe it could have worked to have a darker reprise, though, or something in-between). although what I don't like is how they make the Lorax so... petty (which is a problem in general, how it plays the Lorax for laughs until the moment he leaves), so there I agree that the other song is stronger in how it includes the Lorax, and makes me wonder how the rest of the movie could have been if they went with this instead. feels like it would be less flippant at least.

The way I can put it: The original soundtrack was trying to accurately represent the book and show the message, while the final soundtrack tries to prevent parents from getting mad because their kid is crying.

Biggering is honestly the kind of song I'd listen to unironically

I think both songs should have been in the film, though the film would have needed a rework for that. "How Bad Can I Be?" could have been the song of the modern-day protagonist, who is starting down the same path as the Onceler. "Biggering" could then have been a response to "How Bad Can I Be?", the Onceler answering the protagonist's question by [musically] explaining his own past/greed/pride/mistakes.

Biggering is the Superior song. I can't believe this was not in the movie because I can't stop listening to it, it's my only favorite song from the lorax movie.

I would love to see the Lorax reimagined into dark musical with this song in it.

Its actually kinda funny. The whole issue could have been solved by treating thneeds like diamonds, and treating the trees like crops to be farmed. Hoarde the thneeds and release them in small increments and inflate the prices over time. This would create the added benefit of their increased value, which customers in the past can use to profit from, almost like turning Thneeds into stocks. Then isolate the woodland into a series of areas designated for milling and regrowth, respectively, then farm them like you do any other crop. The Lorax wasnt just a nature spirit, he was hiding the secret to some real hardcore biggering.

The first time I heard Biggering, my first thought was ‘I love it when someone goes absolutely HAM in a kids movie even though they didn’t have to’. I can’t believe how heavy, and intense, and aggressive it is in the back half, starting with the Lorax’s verse. It kicks. your. ass. I’m honestly amazed it made it as far as being fully recorded and produced. We’re blessed just to have it finished honestly. I like HBCIB in its own right, it’s catchy as hell and all, and I like how you can hear a remnant of Biggering’s ominous, heavy choir and instrumentation in the background of the last verse. But at the end of the day, it has no teeth. And it s definitely no rock opera masterpiece like Biggering is.

I really want a mashup between the naive "How Bad Can I Be" slowly transitioning to "Biggering" as the wounds start to widen and the scabs left behind not allowed to heal. But then I realized that that is musically almost impossible since the songs were so tonally different (maybe a transition scene to stick these songs together but-) in the end, we have to pick one. The Moral of The Story or The Catchiness of The Song

The one big thing about this song is that Illumination probably wouldn’t further have a foundation to produce movies if Biggering was the song used instead of HBCIB. Especially in 2012. In today’s day, it probably would have survived. But the fact that Biggering is a target to not only the Onceler, but also the corporations that are absentmindedly affecting the public negatively and their factories and industrial plants tearing apart our planet. Hollywood, without a doubt, would have plummeted Illumination before it could produce another film. And this film probably wouldn’t exist. They did their best to accommodate for the sensitive parents and impressionable children with HBCIB. It did make the movie a whole lot more cheesy to me after I heard that, though. Biggering would have stuck for years in a more striking and hardcore way. “HBCIB is just an easy song while Biggering challenges you.” I absolutely agree. Of course everyone remembers HBCIB because it has the notes that appeal to the younger ears and has an easily memorable chorus. But Biggering develops. It makes you want to sing it like a broadway performer with greed and pride behind your vocals. It’s that kind of an angry, nasty, true, aggressive, relentless song.

It isn't that they didn't realize that they had the song, it's that it would have pissed off the corporate studio, and the fifty thousand sponsors.

Me when I first heard "How Bad Can I Be": OMG I LOVE THIS SONG IT'S AMAZING OMG (I was like 7 or 9 okay) Me when I heard "Biggering": ...I have made a crucial mistake. WHY didn't anyone tell me about this MASTERPIECE SOONER?! THIS SONG IS OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

How Bad Can I Be is catchy, but Biggering is powerful. Biggering does such a good job building up in it's momentum, gradually becoming an epic mess of a song that still manages to be such a slap. And I think we can all agree that between the two songs, when they shared lyrics, Biggering did it better. obviously there's the "some things are dying" vs "a few trees are dying" comparison, but another that really sticks out to me is the "become someone else's lunch" line. In How Bad Can I Be it's just a quirky, annoying little throwaway line, but in Biggering it feels more powerful and threatening. It's like saying "Haha, get eaten lol" vs "If you can't keep up, then you'll get stomped into the ground". But that's just how I see it anyway

Biggering is on par with some of the greatest Disney villain songs, and that’s saying a lot.

Honestly first time I saw "How bad can I be" I found it catchy. It was a neat song. But then I heard biggering. And I gotta say it hits way harder and it just sounds way better.

I love biggering WAY more than the how bad can i be. The darker tone sets the mood way better, and tells you how serious it is... it also just sounds way better in general.

I learned of this song today and I have to say, it makes me want a rock opera take on the Lorax now. I feel like Biggering would work immensely well as part of a rock opera.

Things dying. Trees dying. It's a one-word difference but the difference is huge. Trees are one thing but the book was just as concerned about, maybe MORE concerned about, the animals and the air quality and all the rest of it. Biggering then isn't just superior musically or for bringing the Lorax in to argue but for lyrically hedging closer to the source material and thereby covering a greater and more nuanced scope. Fuck, this movie was awful.

After multiple listens, I concluded that Biggering was better. It really does capture the dark reality of corporate greed. The line “Who cares if some things are dying?” really struck me. I can imagine the swans taking a nosedive after inhaling too much smoke, the fish floating up to the surface from all the shlop dumped into it, and the last thing a bear sees is the head of a trufula tree descending onto him. But it doesn’t just happen to the animals, but workers too. I can also imagine a worker getting caught in machinery and turned into a thneed, the twist being he’s a husband and father. Before noticing his absence, she unknowingly buys the very thneed he turned into. She’s worried sick and the police look into it and concluded it was the Once-ler’s doing, but he pays them handsomely to not say a word about it (since he’s so rich). The cops drew the case a cold one and the wife is left terribly lonely with kids who no longer have a father. What compliments that line so well is “I don’t wanna hear you cryin’!” He yells at the tiny woman as if there was nothing to do about it and continues business, his dead worker quickly replaced. Although not important, I thought the general consensus was that Biggering was far more superior to How Bad Can I Be?, and was shocked that it was the other way around.

Both of the songs work better when played right after another, in HBCIB he is trying to convince himself that he’s still in the right in biggering he is basically right into being the bad guy it would be good character development for him to go from not caring trees are dying to not caring if anything is dying

I feel like “Biggering” put the Onceler in a more story accurate light. The Onceler in the book wasn’t oblivious. He knew exactly what he was doing by constantly expanding the operation well past sustainability. The final film paints him as oblivious or in denial from peer pressure, which just didn’t feel right. I honestly would have far preferred his final redemption arc if they had stuck with the lawful evil depiction they originally wanted to use.

I'm pretty sure Biggering was cut because it wouldn't be able to just stick with as many people. As well as the fact that it was ‘too dark’, and they also wanted to make the Once-ler relatable. I feel like Biggering is one of the most popular cut songs from The Lorax (2012). Plus, Biggering would resemble the Once-ler in the book way more. In Biggering, the Once-ler knows what he's doing. This makes sense (at least in The Lorax (2012)) because he wanted the acceptance of his family. *Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.*

Meanwhile in an alternate universe... "Hey, you listen to that deleted song from the Lorax?" "Yeah, pretty f*cking annoying if you ask me." "I dunno, I feel like how bad can I be could have worked if the movie was a lighter tone."

I love videos covering topics such as this, a song that removes all plausible deniability being cut is so fucking telling and on point for modern media

The use of “survival of the fittest” is saying you need to “claw and bite and punch” in order to survive, not that some animals are predators are some are prey.

Pride works better as a flaw for the onceler than greed. Consider it. You have a guy who was bullied by his entire family, nothing he could do was ever good enough. Then, just once, he does something worth praising. He pushes and pushes that one thing, he begins biggering. He has been starved of pride for so long he gorges himself on it. The family doesn’t make him greedy, but they can urge him towards pride. To a lesser extent, biggering sounds close to beginning, to me at least. And the song kinda reflects that. Biggering shows the process of being a startup company that becomes huge. How bad can I be, just revels in being big. How bad can I be shows you a villain, but biggering shows you that the villain can start small, just like you.

The line that cut “Biggering” was the Lorax mentioning “Pride.” The Onceler wasn’t admired by just Tumblr fangirls. Every corporate exec sees themselves as the cool and hip everyman who came from nothing. He’s only hurting the environment out of ignorance and peer pressure. However, Biggering showed the Onceler as what they truly are. They don’t do it for the money, they do it for the sense of superiority. You could call them robber barrens all you want. But the moment you call them nobodies with a bunch of cash, that’s when they start gnashing. They love the paparazzi. They love all the attention that any reasonable human being would loathe. Biggering is the shining beacon through them. Greed does nothing to the humble man. The Onceler was prideful, and they couldn’t handle that. So next time some rich person tells you how to live your life, remember that they are just a nobody who has money.

Well, in reality, it didn't matter what the Lorax was saying. The Once-ler ignored it and pushed him aside, just like How Bad Can I be does it.

in an AU, biggering was used and the onceler fandom never existed because fangirls only loved his "hotness" There would be no chaos in that world

I think you're NOT supposed to be warm towards biggering. I'd more of say, it's supposed to send chills down your spine. Yes, you can love the song, I do, but it's horrifying, and cold... AND THAT'S WHY I LOVE BIGGERING, MORE THEN HOW BAD CAN I BE.

The one thing I’d like to add is that the final note is amazing. Guitar and chorus going higher and higher until the choir gives out and the guitar warbles out shortly after. Natural dies and then so does the man made.

As some people have already said I would have prefered if both songs were kept in the original film. With "How bad can I be" being about the Onceler trying to convince himself that a "few trees dying" isn't that bad if it means stimulating the economy and making wealth, while "biggering" should be a later song in the film and at that point the song would represent him embracing evilness, abandoning his conscience (aka The lorax) and saying out load that he doesn't care that "some THINGS are dying". It's so incredible that it wrotes itself and yet the producers cut it out of the movie

Nobody cares but since everyone talked about everything I could say on the songs,have my Dr.Seuss movies top: 1) Horton Hears a Who. It's funny. It's simple. It's entertaining enough. Easily the best one. 2) The Grinch. The Jim Carrey one. Again,funny,good enough. Nice for Christmas. 3) The Lorax. When I was little I actually loved it,now it is,indeed,a meh and a meme. 4) The Cat in the Hat. This movie is cursed as fuck and I would prefer if nobody ever watched it. But there's a TV show and it's much better by a longshot.

I can’t believe people thought How Bad Can I Be is better than Biggering! Sure it’s catchy but Biggering is sooo sooo much better!!! It’s so intense and deep! I LOVE IT!!!!

8:18 “An economy based on endless growth is unsustainable.”

The main reason this song was probably removed because song was practically calling out the companies and really shows the major flaws in capitalism. The literal message of the Lorax was basically calling out on. Capitalism because of its flaws and how greedy companies can get. The companies probably didn’t like it because of the whole message of greedy companies and they would probably be seen as the Onceler and people wouldn’t like them anymore. Biggering feels really realistic on how pride can take ahold of greed and cause greed to control someone. The Once ler literally says that he needs to expand so his company doesn’t get outmatched. Overall I find it really hypocritical that they removed a S teir villain song that basically helped explain the major flaws in captialism and would have been perfect for a anti capitalist movie, and yet they removed it because of their pride of being a successful company

honestly HBCIB is a good fit for this film because of the more “fluffy” view but Biggering would’ve been better if they followed the book theme

“Many other videos have gone into detail on why this movie was ‘meh” Me: please don’t say nostalgia critic please don’t say nostalgia critic pl-

The songs that were lost in the shuffle but are still in the truffle. Is what he should have said

I think the Lorax would’ve been 100% better as a rock opera if they were gonna make it a musical

Years late but... Biggering is one of the most powerful songs I've heard in a children's movie. It's dark, thoughtful, and soulful. It better fits that dark ambiguity that the original book had. I guess things like this don't really sell, so that's why they decided to take it out. Don't wanna make people feel bad. Jeez How Bad Can I Be comes off as vapid and fluffy by comparison.

That was a great video, I also noticed that in biggering once_ler knows what he is doing and he even admits it.but in how bad can I be he is unaware of what he is doing. I think biggering is more realistic because in my opinion Many heads of large companies may know some of their actions are wrong and they've been warned, but ignore it

A comment I read on another video about Biggering is that if they cut back in the Thneedville story they could've included both songs. Starting with HBCIB then having the Lorax taking the Onceler around the forest showing him the devastation he is causing on the forest. After this it'll be the Onceler falling to his pride and greed and breaking into Biggering making the call back of "Who cares if some things are dying" to the "Who cares if a few trees are dying." Along with all of the other parallels between the songs showing the shift from "Plausible deniability" to "I know what's going on but I don't care"

2:02 that movie was a fever dream and I thought I imagined it all for the longest time until I randomly saw a clip from it