Where can one find a torsion spring to replace the existing?

Any gunspring place like wolff will have many different types. I think some minor machining will have to happen to fit a torsion spring though. And of course some experimentation to find the right spring rate.

any luck?

@@Blxzers marginally. I haven't tried the torsion spring yet. I did relieve to top area of the hole in the trigger housing so when the trigger stop rocks back that the standard compression spring can sort of rainbow up. I did that on my mill but a person could easily do the same with a Dremel. As you are looking down the hole for the spring in the housing, relieve the top half of the hole to be more like a cone shape, grind away about 3.5 mm from the 12 o'clock position, tapering back such that you don't remove any material at the 12 o'clock position at the very base of the hole. I have absolutely 0 spring deformation so far. What sucks is I have only shot about 80 rounds with it. My 10.5 pistol just isn't going to work without tuning with this trigger. Even with H3 buffer the cyclic rate is so fast that the action isn't picking up he next round off the mag. Tried with H3,H2, and standard buffer. I'd get 2 to 5 round bursts every time. It could also be not enough gas so the action isn't cycling fully. At some point I am going to machine a booster, like a krinkov, and try that route. Next in line is my trusty ole M16 clone with it's 20 inch barrel and as intended gas system. Trigger itself is good to go after the mod. Now to figure out how to pair it. But I don't want to waste too much ammo at the moment.

@@Blxzers primary issue with the torsion spring is how to integrate it in with the existing design. I haven't figured out a good way to do that yet and just haven't machines my own housing to accommodate it.

It's why I no longer buy "gen I" of ANYTHING anymore. You're 100% correct. This malfunction has been showing up within 300 rounds on most of the YT posts I've seen. This tells me either they didn't test this product, or they KNEW but wanted to get it to market ASAP. Couple that with the tyrants doing what they do best, and here we are. They've come out with a "modified" locking bar that supposedly fixes the issue, so basically, order the bar, extra springs and now you have a $380 + $25 + 3 + shipping trigger.

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@@The_SCC five oh oneth lol. 501st *

Kinda what Iwas thinking like mini music wire damage industries sells for buffer springs, they may know of a company that could make the springs or sell you the right size material to make or own, I also thought of contacting springco they make high quality bolt extraction springs and may have what we need, or direct us the right place to source the material to make our own springs

Sorry to hear that Bro hope everything goes ok. 🙏

@@ricardocarmona5210 thank you sir, I appreciate that, God bless 🙏

They did, in fact they milled the area larger than he did in the video. But they should have handled the gunsmiths calling in better than they did.

You can take out a little at a time and rock it until it fits in there without distorting if you plan on doing it. he is basically going in straight, the bit is slightly curved so it eats less the deeper in the area, and MORE towards the outside which gives the spring a channel to lay in.. I personally would've used a hammer spring or something.

Let us know how it goes!

@@RINO711 I'm 200 rounds in on one of the new springs from McMaster carr. No issues. I'm running it in a bcm 16" upper and palmetto lower with an h3 buffer. If anything changes I'll update.

@@DCL471 which springs did you get?

@@stonecoldmunchin just a heads up shipping was 10 bucks

@@DCL471 update?

I feel like a stronger spring would have done a lot to help the issue too. Keep me posted!

I tinkered with this idea myself. Something to the effect of a bolt release spring follower. The problem is but the time the tab is pushed forward by the BCG, the pocket in the tab and the pocket in the housing are so far out of line it’s still going to distort the spring in the middle. You’d still need some sort of relief in the bottom of the black tab to keep the tension off the middle of the spring. I like where your heads at though! Same place I went initially.

over travel? the hammer moving backward should be forcing(and locking) the trigger forward, the only thing I would think that would cause that is a non-auto/m16 bolt?

Might try dropping a heavier trigger spring in it? I have had no issues with over travel and no issues with the trigger since fixing the lever spring issue. I just dropped a 6.5lb. spring in mine to see if I can get easier singles.

Interesting. The thought had crossed my my for a brief moment about some sort of guide rod but I think you would still have to notch it like I did because the guide rod would stop tab from moving all the way to the forward position ans thus releasing the trigger. Think about two holes (spring pockets) across from each other with a guide from one to the other, unless the pockets are considerably bigger then the guide rod it’s self, then when you try to pivot one on a center axis It’s going to bind up on that guide rod. Someone in these comments did mention some sort of spring follower like found in a couple AR applications and I thought that was a good idea but again the issue is by the time the black tab rotates all the way forward, the spring pockets are so far out of line it’s still going to put a bind on the spring.

Yada! Good to see you over here! Yeah, that was me with the screw. ;-) Running 1000 rounds without issues, but I did tweak my fix slightly at the 1000 rds. My fix does require driving out the lever pivot pin, but most people could handle that. :-)

I find myself saying thanks, quite a bit. So why stop there, thanks again gents! Keep the Intel flowing!

How'd it go? Also where did you order from? Bigdaddyunlimited? Rare breed website?

Interested to know as well when you have more information!

How did the testing go?

Hey, any update on the 'improved' trigger's functioning? Hope to hear back on this, thanks

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Because people will still buy it

Torsion spring

That's all i could think about while trying to watch this

Damn that’s funny………thank you

About half the thickness of the bottom of the tab. Or maybe alittle less

Had that issue. Alot of out of spec bcgs. It should close flawlessly just like normal. Take calipers it should measure 2.80(ish) the bcgs causing issues were all 2.78

@@jmelcher1849 at 2.80" you must be referring to the bolt alone vs. BCGroup, correct? I couldnt find specs anywhere online to confirm...

Minor update: tried the trigger in My Bro's AR pistol (test firearm #5) and had good results. Its a 5.56 with a 7.5" Barrel (pistol gas, duh), full auto BCG and standard carbine buffer. The H3 Buffer wouldnt work... Only issue, the keymod carbon fiber handguard with the massive outgassing caused us both to burn our hands after about 15 rounds. I dumped about 25 rounds and had black keymod shaped burns on my hand, and it was worth it. BTW- It is still not 100% working and has fits and wont work...

Not yet but there will be soon www.recoil-technology-systems.com/graves-v2-art.html#/

Yeah. Their customer service has proved to be a joke

tungsten carbide

What's his email , have one and ran a few mags , worked flawlessly just wanna get the fix beforehand...

I haven’t installed my trigger yet but, it appears that the forced reset lever located at the top rear of the trigger housing has a return spring that gets pinched between the lever and the housing and causes malfunctions. It may be caused by the spring pocket and lever not aligning during movement and or by to much pressure on the trigger. BROzooka arms has another good video on the problem and fix.

Get a franklin or fostec, or tac con 3mr, they all have a "semi" and "full semi" position rather than jist "full semi"

I literally just seen a video about this a couple hours ago on, Search YT using the “Rare Breed Tigger Heavy return spring” and I’m certain you’ll find it as I dont have the link to it off hand

Actually I found it, here - kzfaq.info/sun/FLrjSTJuMUDB1eXTgvmKhiYA

Yeah. I’ve emailed them through several channels. Their customer service seems to be lacking pretty bad.

I’m hoping they step up and fix it and/or offer a replace for this version

I think In order to break any laws here, you’d have to be attempting to modify the original function to function in a way that is out side the legal confines of the law. What I’m doing here is a mod to make the trigger function at is should, which is legal in its original state.

Youre the dude who writes all the letters to the atf causing issues. What the fuck kind of pussy are you. Seriously.

@@mp2103 BDU has not impressed me, luckily I didn't use my main email but they SPAM your inbox. On top of that, they don't have anything in stock. I'm not going to pay for a service with nothing in stock.

What’s the link to the spring?

@@jordangriffiths7215 you ever find it ?