How can we fully understand 'The observer is the observed'?

How can we fully understand 'The observer is the observed'? | J. Krishnamurti

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Saanen 1981 - Question #5 from Question & Answer Meeting #1
'Intellectually we understand that the observer is the observed, but what is necessary to perceive this so that it goes beyond the intellectual level?'
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@ivan987100 Жыл бұрын

I stay in one of the hostels in the University where I'm currently doing my PhD. I generally like to eat alone, by myself but I have a few friends who prefer to have their meals with others. I generally have trouble understanding this but I respect their need. In any case, recently, when I was having lunch in the mess, I was trying to understand why sometimes people feel lonely while eating by themselves. I realised that it is simply because one is looking at oneself as if from the outside. One looks oneself as if from another's eyes and judges oneself to be alone and therefore lonely. One is not lonely per say but becomes lonely by this judgement on oneself, by oneself, as if oneself was another. When I thought of that, when I gazed at myself as if someone else was gazing at me, I to felt lonely. The only way to not feel lonely was to simply be there and eat, without judging myself. It was a small moment but made me understand how the feeling of loneliness works. One splits from oneself and judges oneself as lonely. It is a sad feeling that comes from judging oneself as if another.

@pathlesstravelled4146 Жыл бұрын

A hell of a realization brother. Keep going

@anivsekar369 Жыл бұрын

Wow

@munishyadav456 Жыл бұрын

"my" PhD 🙏

@maniksharma1403 Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯💯 And that's what K's mean when he says that there should only be pure observation without the observer and observed.

@KINGJUNAID555 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful brother...

@BillSikes. 5 жыл бұрын

I owe my life to K, this is what freed me from so much conflict, pain struggle and misery, it was a great awakening for me, it all just fell away before my very eyes, and has never returned, this was many years ago, I've lived a life of freedom peace and contentment ever since, thank you Krishnajai, I owe you a debt of gratitude I could never repay ❤️

@waedjradi 4 жыл бұрын

😌🙏❤️

@SB_-cf5zp 4 жыл бұрын

You never felt lonelyness again?

@keront8458 4 жыл бұрын

Hi can u plz explain to me

@SaeedKhan-bq6lx 4 жыл бұрын

@@keront8458 What you feel as 'self' is nothing but thoughts and memories (images). Lets take an example of seeing a tree. Now you see a tree and you got the image of a tree and at that moment you are nothing but a tree, provided that no other memories were playing and messing with that image of the tree. Thats what is mean by observer is the observed. You are nothing but a tree, at that moment. There is no thinker but a thought. What you feel as yourself is actually you are feeling a tree. Now we have images of all the whole world, therefore whenever we feel is a self, we are actually feeling the world. Krishnamurti says, "you are the world". We think, we are subject observing an object (outside world) but outside worlds is actually painting on the canvas of our brain.

@af-js7hf 4 жыл бұрын

@@SaeedKhan-bq6lx salam dost aziz ma ham besyaar mushkil daram ba fahamidan krishna murti. agar meshod ke mara ham komak konain, wa ba ham degar ba tamas shawaim. i would really appreciate ur help n will be waiting for response tnx

@fatelvis6924 2 жыл бұрын

Finally!! We're not the body and the labels we assign to ourselves and the society. We're a system in itself which is in continuous flux. It fragments itself and creates the ego, society and multiple labels out of itself and gets trapped in its self perpetuated illusion. It is the same system that becomes the observer and observes itself, thus creating conflict. There is only this one thing, not two. There is only the observation and not the observed. Once this fact is realised, the conflict ends. I had boycotted every religious dogma, but as I came to see the truth of this fact after a long time, the meaning of Mandukya Upanishad hit me hard in the face. This is where Hinduism and Buddhism meet. This is what Advaita Vedanta says, Thou Art That (The observer is the observed). I'm all the things of this world, it's happiness and sadness, pleasure and pain. The other people are not different from me.

@teachmetodo 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing Wisdom!!!! When a different person is causing trouble physically or mentally to you, you run away from them, that is wiser thing to do. But when one's mind is causing problem, where can it run, from where to where, you are that problem. you can't run but just watch it. Then there is watching. The very watching is MAGICAL!!!! Thank you!!!!!

@manikkhanna2259 3 жыл бұрын

hi Madhan , can you explain more with an example ?

@thskendjeo134 3 жыл бұрын

@@manikkhanna2259 we always tend to run away towards the opposites for example if we are being violent we try to become non violent angry we don't face anger we tend to think I must not be angry and So on.... Jk is saying that the observer is the observed that is what you call I and angry or I and alone are not two different things you are anger itself and nothing else... Observer is what it is observing and nothing else.... Means observer can't exist without observing and that which it is observing, it becomes ... So do not run away from what is to its other end it will only cause conflict and makes one blind towards the fact but just give your attention to the fact completely and attention is a flame which burns everything. The point is do not think that you exist without relating or observing and if you think that you are something without relating anything worldly I mean anything outside you it could be physical or not so then think twice it means that if I ask you who you are what your answer would be without any relation...... Example I am my name my degree my relations my achievement... Or qualities.... I hope its helpful....

@KINGJUNAID555 2 жыл бұрын

@@thskendjeo134 thanks buddy

@willywagtail4182 2 жыл бұрын

Yes...exactly ,as soon as" your" aware that your aware there instant peace it really is magical

@manikkhanna2259 2 жыл бұрын

@@thskendjeo134 Thanks buddy , i admit i didnt understand completely . So as JK says , with his example , "I am Lonely" , so according to him , when you see that "I" is a bunch of thoughts-name-images trying to get rid of Loneliness (which in turn is again thought-name-images) , then as soon as he realises , Loneliness goes away for ever , never to come back . Now i really want to understand how is this possible? What happens even after we realise the observer is the observed? Will i accept my loneliness now? Will the Loneliness no longer make me feel the necessity to go and socialize ? What exactly will happen? Much gratitude

@auroramaria6354 4 жыл бұрын

This means that we are the creators of our own personal life, what kind of history I am telling me, what kind of believe I had in my brain... we choose how we feel and what we think what kind of power we gave to every word we spoke... everything starts and ends inside us

@jonathanwoodvincent 2 жыл бұрын

no, here you are making a creator, a chooser, a teller, a feeler, an us, a separation

@bellareid3488 2 жыл бұрын

We don't necessarily choose how we feel. We can learn to manage it and understand its origin but we cannot always choose it. We do have to live with it though.

@favvisarfavvo1193 Жыл бұрын

Krishnamurti was telling the pure truth. Exactly Word to word, nothing symbolic, have no doubts about it, he is trying to make it as simple as possible to understand. But the problem is, before you felt it you won’t understand it. It is as natural as anything else in the world, but more rare to experience. Total awareness dissolves all conflict there is inside of us, it dissolves absolutely everything of that nature. If you reach the state he is talking about when feeling lonely, i promise you, it simply just dissappears without any thought of it. It just goes away

@daspradeep 11 ай бұрын

@@favvisarfavvo1193 you are "that" lonely and in total awareness you can't see that which is that

@thskendjeo134 2 жыл бұрын

The observer is the observed The thinker is the thought Attention is the flame🔥 which burns it all This is what You have been craving for...

@susanolson3611 Жыл бұрын

Because it is so clear, it takes a long time to realize it. If you immediately know the candle light is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago.

@homesx1996 Жыл бұрын

yeah and time is null

@Honest_review85 Жыл бұрын

Isn't attention the same as the observer ?

@joemonvpjoemon65 Жыл бұрын

True 🌹

@rred8674 Жыл бұрын

@@Honest_review85 I've been studying and researching this deeply. Consider we have four bodies, the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual bodies. The mental body is the thinking mind, the imaginative space, and we all share this space. The first Hermetic principle states that all is mental, all is mind, everything you see, think, do, feel is occurring in the mental space of 'God', a creative force. Yet this is not the observer. The observer has the ability to witness the mind thinking. The observer witnesses the physical body moving and engaging, the observer witnesses emotional reactions. None of this is happening TO the observer, but in front of the observer. Attention is of the spiritual body, therefore I believe you're correct. When we are in a state of attention, 'paying' attention, we are rarely thinking or feeling or even moving. If we are it's instinctual, it isn't efforted. Because I don't see that the observer has much control over these other three bodies, yet I will give that some thought.

@ddrwizard 2 жыл бұрын

I sufferered greatly over my moms passing, and i did feel lonely. When I seen that my body was suffering and watched it as I cried for the 100th time, it passed, i did not fight or supress... It was almost as if I had compassion for myself, nothing that no one else could give me... That was a month ago, and I had hadn't known this is what he was talking about till I in the past week started to do this with a lot of other feelings with my other losses and shame and guilt... Yesterday I felt i could use this with minute things like being annoyed, frustrated, or whatever feeling I felt in parts of my body, and quickly those go away too and my mind became more clear. I had the best day despite sleeping for 2 hours, I relied on myself to figure things out and the anxiety and complaints about being tired never happened.

@Rahulkumar-dg5pu 2 жыл бұрын

Gud u healed .... Can u elaborate pls the process

@Alex722 Жыл бұрын

@@Rahulkumar-dg5pu No process, just watch and feel whatever you are feeling, thinking without naming or judging. It's really simple.

@phanimadgula1423 2 жыл бұрын

I can somehow relate this with a phenomenon that happens in my dreams occasionally. In the dream, I am caught in a quagmire of jungles or in some inexplicable haze of doors of large house etc. 1. When I try to make an effort to get out of the situation then it worsens. 2. But when I become quiet then the dream ends automatically. Let us suppose, if I come out of the dream somehow from the effort as explained in the point (1) above, I will have a continued anxiety to avoid getting into the same dream. On the other hand, if I come out of the dream without any effort as explained in the point (2) above, then I will not the continued anxiety. It is as if it is OK - no fear..

@govinddineshsingh9005 2 жыл бұрын

Observer is the observed अगर हम दूसरों की अच्छाई अच्छाई या बुराई को देखकर प्रतिक्रिया देते है तो प्रतिक्रिया तो वह व्यक्ति नहीं होता बल्कि खुद होता है।

@sonoflight7247 Жыл бұрын

I think you are 100% to the point.

@freedomfromtyranny8304 4 жыл бұрын

Simple and very true. An Insight into Loneliness was a good example. 🙏🙏🙏

@ardianmurataj4403 6 жыл бұрын

like has said the Budha even when you goes to sleep watch your self,watch without judgment just watch dont do anything!it will happen it will fire the light inside us.

@alphag5491 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to supporters of this channel to keep his work alive. Master of intelligence jiddu

@krantimadineni585 5 жыл бұрын

India have given the real knowledge required for this world...the perfect knowledge and direction. My views on J.Krishnamuti has increased immensely after watching this video...He is a true gem.

@flafaloon 4 жыл бұрын

What is India but a concept? YOU have given the real knowledge to yourself, not India, not nations not people but u to u.

@manishasingification 4 жыл бұрын

Mr K, disowned all the illusions of nationality ...the only thing Indian about him was his passport. He denounced the identities and never associated with it or gained any privilege out of it

@lukehunnable 3 жыл бұрын

If India had done that, it wouldnt be such a mess

@johncletus9529 2 жыл бұрын

He raised in the West and most of his ideas are from the Western philosophy

@devashishpare2870 Жыл бұрын

The intense the observation, the intense is the experience of present moment

@williamcitan 5 ай бұрын

How beautiful and profound this is! Can’t even be described. What he is pointing to is literally beyond my mind! Simply wonderful ❤❤❤ thank you 🙏

@macdougdoug 4 жыл бұрын

I have vague memories of being there as a 13 year old boy - the observer is the obseved stuck in my head as an incomprehensible challenge; and also the delicious jam donuts in Saanen village.

@MukeshAmbani_Mumbai 3 жыл бұрын

Do u understand it now or not

@antoniovulic8881 3 жыл бұрын

@@MukeshAmbani_Mumbai i dont understand how the observer in the observed

@farzanaahmed4870 2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand clearly but I I want to understand.

@KINGJUNAID555 2 жыл бұрын

@@farzanaahmed4870 watch Saanen sessions 1976 you will understand...

@2106harish 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Great video. Great insight! Thank you!

@ravikiran925 3 ай бұрын

I have kept my hands on fire many times just to experience things. There were people who begged, hugged, and did all kinds of things to keep me away from fire. I never listened; most times I burnt myself, and a few times I burnt the ones holding me. But the moment this journey started inward, trying to know Thyself, all those experiences that turned many into ashes went straight to the garbage. Because the experiencer was never different from the experience; he was the experiment experimenting Himself ❤️.

@n07hin9 2 ай бұрын

You might be a witch

@stevenng8556 3 жыл бұрын

Very insightful sharing. K teaching is the only way to go beyond the loneliness issues

@mquillan 3 жыл бұрын

True,same thing with fear .Full respect to J.Krishnamurti....Peace.

@adamfranki4997 7 жыл бұрын

So when we put all he said together, we will may living like him out of fear and in same state of mind , but he is filing the gap in our time.i wish I could know him.

@stevehartwell1861 3 ай бұрын

Made this a reality today. Thank you.

@Av-vi5vs 5 жыл бұрын

Just one word for jk ,he gives me goosebump in the last of video.he is so deep in teaching ,I am relating my self with jk

@randhir_chronicles Жыл бұрын

What I understood is whatever condition or situation which generates anxiety or distress among us, We should not try to separate ourselves or run away from that because that anxiety and distress are within us only rather we should fully immerse our selves into it paying full attention as a part of it and accepting it as a part of us. When that situation is Integrated with our self then it will not exist anymore.

@imnotallergic Жыл бұрын

The knowledge that the observer is the observer can be known only when is experienced, it cannot be known intellectually

@JohnDoe-bt9qp Жыл бұрын

The observer is the real me. Are other people observer or are they just humans? How do I know if a person is real?

@CesarSilva-yn7qz 11 ай бұрын

@@JohnDoe-bt9qp The "me" doesn't even exist, you can experience this through meditation, try labeling what its the real you and you'll find nothing. For example when a thought rises up, did you produced the thought that has just been observed?. We have an illusion of control of what we think we are, we cannot control what our next thought will be as the same way you cannot tell your eyes to stop seeing or your ears to stop listening.

@AnalJhala 3 ай бұрын

true

@machanf 4 жыл бұрын

fabulous explanation. Real cool guy.

@rishabhsen84 4 жыл бұрын

I was being selfish at times (with idea of, to do something i must have some selfishness), which was bringing some kind of lack in me, finally got the solution (better to say realised that i was wrong), thank you so much k and freinds.

@Shoto519 2 жыл бұрын

We are always selfish there is no escaping that. My compasion is selfish. There is only selfish no compassion. Compassion is illusory reality, but its not facts.

@ishapattanashettar9504 Жыл бұрын

Thank you krishnamurti ji 🙏🙏

@muktajain62 3 жыл бұрын

He was a real Gem 🙏🙏

@sgriffin8739 Жыл бұрын

He was a Buddha

@davyspilani1231 7 жыл бұрын

unbelievable wisdom... Like pain,, does it belong to us? Is it my pain? Does it belong to me? Do I exist or am I the result of thousands of years of slavery? If I'm not separate from the universe then the pain and loneliness belongs to the universe..

@sardarkhush1701 6 жыл бұрын

pagL

@jonhenrywheelahan4837 6 жыл бұрын

Davy spilani yes, one needs too feel the whole history of human kind; the compassionate understanding from one’s heart, the emanation of gratitude and humility that only empathetic awareness of the “other” can reveal and bring fundamental change to one’s sense of self and otherness: “To find oneself look to the other”; (original wisdom for this one’s insight)

@nandakumars5225 2 жыл бұрын

If one can do this, that's ultimate. But one needs courage and clear understanding.

@baitman2368 3 жыл бұрын

Emotions are important in order to internalize this truth, that is my experience.

@saileshjoshi5422 2 жыл бұрын

I have never felt like this before when I do practically of observation without observer. Where there is no thought but you are aware. Your mind is still while doing observation without observe.

@rajdhankumar2650 10 ай бұрын

What a great human being

@mr.cubesolver 3 жыл бұрын

"The observer is the observed."👍

@GOODBOY-vt1cf 4 жыл бұрын

thank you so much

@carlosalbertodesouza8599 4 жыл бұрын

muito grato...

@nitishgautam5728 5 ай бұрын

Today i finnally understood what / who am i . The self / i / ego is actually the bundle of thoughts and feeling, And what we all do is that we say 'this thoughts, beliefs and feeling is me and all other thoughts are not me . They are different from me" . But logically it's not right because the very self is itself a thought and feeling, why you are discriminating other thoughts and feelings

@Anonymous-uf6xo 3 ай бұрын

So u feel this like do u that u r thoughts

@inri2381 5 жыл бұрын

As an observer you have to try and make an effort sometimes in order to think something..we are not just observers we can direct thoughts as well with volitional effort, for example if i as an observer perceive that i must think "love" 10 times inside my head, with my effort as an observer i direct the word "love" ten times..this is control of a thought by consciousness, nobody can deny that..but it doesnt mean that many thoughts aren't automatic and out of control..there is an autopilot but a conscious control as well (like moving your arms)..this is the complexity of the human mind and the human mind is who we are..

@esar1499 4 жыл бұрын

Giwrgos Androutsos Kapws etsi to ktlva kai gw...to autopilot mode einai h anagastikh aparxh ths proswpikothtas pou dhmiourgeitai apo tis antidraseis mas sta erethismata...epeita kapoioi kai ligo katalavainoun oti to mind ,pou einai byproduct tou consciousness kai tou egefalou , einai diaforetiko apo autes tis eglovismenes biased epiloges pou eixan dhmiourghthei (fovies, epiloges, blabla) otan anaptusame thn proswpikothta mas kai autes epikaleitai o egefalos kai tis provalei gt autes lamvane san basikh arxh tou...omws ola auta einai biased ola auta einai sketos egefalos kai h alhtheia einai pws molis to sunhdeitopoihseis den xreiazetai na antapokrinesai se autes tis skoteines skepseis pou sou provalei o egefalos kai... mporeis na tis parathreis san aples skepseis tou egefalou

@Shoto519 2 жыл бұрын

@@neilshah5034 isnt that a quakmire to seperate mind and that itself causes conflict. If youre not the mind, like you are not the lonely you cant resolve it. If you are the mind and cant do anything about it the conflict Ends.

@jugan_d7190 Жыл бұрын

Now i want to hug him!

@decide4kamal 3 жыл бұрын

WOW!! So true.

@mescale 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@thyagobrod Жыл бұрын

One question that helps me understand this concept further is: "If you are not Loneliness, if Loneliness is different from you, then point it out to me: where is it?" And then, afterwards, ask: "And where is the I?" I'm guessing you will be pointing to the same place.

@OvercookedOctopusFeet 11 ай бұрын

Wonderful.

@elmarwagner2683 Жыл бұрын

Observe what you are. Then you can choose who you want to be. But don't forget, if it is not you, then you can't do anything about it because you cannot reach what is not you.

@leemog2334 2 жыл бұрын

Everything is the source, the conduit and the flow, we are roughly on the opposite in we are receiving

@manishrana3387 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Eshanvi580 5 жыл бұрын

Truth.

@sanekabc 4 жыл бұрын

For most people it comes back.

@TheoParkour 2 жыл бұрын

i love you Jiddu

@venkateshharihalli484 3 жыл бұрын

Super

@sundeutsch Жыл бұрын

How can you understood what light is and how it the ultimate source of energy? Any idea?

@mahantesh2955 4 жыл бұрын

Please add Hindi subtitle please

@cpgk5641 6 жыл бұрын

Observer is the conserved

@amitdahal1698 Жыл бұрын

One has to learn undoing of the mind. This can be done only by being alone and understanding each and every swing of our mind. This understanding is not of time & space rather of non movement. Once you learn to be still the illusion has no power over you as you now have no center.

@slangsd 5 жыл бұрын

Imo, the observer and the observed is similar to the mind and the body. It is the emergence of bodily awareness. It's attuning to our soul. When we are present within ourself, there is no observer or observed...there is just being.

@randycunningham1952 5 жыл бұрын

slangsd and then also no outer environment....

@mimicnature-naturalwayoffa3972 4 жыл бұрын

The true meaning is - Neither 'observer' nor the 'observed' is.

@ajaytjosephyourmentor8773 3 жыл бұрын

He is talking about reflexive sociology

@nemo_qq Жыл бұрын

this thought process is a masterpiece if u understand this u don need meditation u don need therapy u don even have stress... the easiest explanation is this ACCEPT everything as it is.... in simple example im afraid of public speech my heart beats faster my legs shakes instead of fighting over it jus accept the heart beat n shake legs n jus do it and then u worry again people will laugh at u that also jus accept it don force it to change its part of being as a human ...if ur have jumpscaare watching a horror movie just shout it its ok... if ur heart races when u see ur crush jus accept what the heart is doing don force it jus accept everything... u will see a awakening a peaceful process.... watch alan watts achieve the flow video its explains in simple examples about this .. .we need some dr.brom to understand the language barrier of K 🤣.. but after u understand about this observer is the observed its so fun and ez to understand all the teachings of K 🙏

@daveschauweker7375 15 күн бұрын

I don't think accepting goes deep enough - too mental. We have to experience directly and fully.

@chaitanyadeshmane8243 2 жыл бұрын

Can someone explain what he said. I hv great respect for him but many times i can't understand his saying.

@sylviamalkahcalderoncourie6561 3 күн бұрын

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Qworld00 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, true, both disappears; loneliness as well as the me!!

@andrewgohring7625 3 жыл бұрын

...But there is still an OBSERVER!

@rafequetbava 2 жыл бұрын

From j it is a mixture medicine which is very very sour. However it is a sure cure medicine, as always the case and I am deeply obliged. Love

@priyabratadash4542 3 жыл бұрын

Go through krishnamurty and dr bhom talks for clarity .

@suryanshsingh8023 3 жыл бұрын

❤️

@darrenwalshe8513 3 жыл бұрын

Consciousness brings thoughts to life?

@justbreakingballs 3 жыл бұрын

Is this another pointer that’s leads to the collapse of the ego. As in if the lonely feeling is accepted in as oneself it’s no longer an imposter on the outside that the ego mind wants to be removed. Once The lonely feeling is what is there is no space for the ego and a break down of subject object probably allowing the space for the lonely feeling to have the space to transform as it’s no longer got the rejection from the now non present ego that was the source of the feeling. It was self created by rejection from an imagined ego.

@carlavela7106 Жыл бұрын

💐🙏

@rajneeshifollower811 3 жыл бұрын

Is it like, the consumer is the consumed.

@manmathahaldar9221 2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

@SevasGuitar 3 жыл бұрын

이원화, 나를 바라보는 비아로 외로움,공포 사라짐.

@mkh2799 2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@Happyroma7 2 жыл бұрын

❣️

@MrArtofLife Жыл бұрын

---The whole psychological drama begins when one splits from oneself and judges oneself from the perspective of an outsider looking in. But the reality is that there is no outsider looking in. Attention or Awareness itself gives rise to thought; thought then creates division and gives rise to internal conflict and turmoil. One judges oneself from the perspective of an outsider looking in because of the self-image that one carries: how one should act, how one should think, how one should live, how one should carry oneself in society, so forth and so on. In other words, the whole charade is nothing more than psychological drama of the mind.

@phrygiandominant6989 7 жыл бұрын

Do I accept it intellectually: that I am the observer? Yes and no. I feel life has little to no meaning other than what we give it. But when I say 'we', it's vastly a redundant statement as my subjective existence is that we (I) exist in a fundamentally useless simulation of sorts. Even the very fact that I'm writing this and that 'someone' may respond, is for me a farce and perhaps a form of satire on behalf of the creator/creators of my apparent conscious existence. This has been an ever growing thought I've had since I was a child. Perhaps reality is authentic and I'm neurologically damaged and/or just a biological byproduct of anxiety, depression combined with existential nihilism and even absurdity. Either way, it doesn't seemingly alter anything regardless of meditation, exercise healthy eating and looking at things objectively and indefatigably. The final outcome remains a paradoxically same difference regardless.

@GlognarVsZiltoid 6 жыл бұрын

Isn’t all of what you just said only seemingly true in thought? All those speculations, whether something is wrong with you neurologically, whether life is a satirical simulation in the eyes of some creator.... all of these ideas are just inventions in thought. First thought creates the ideas and then worries about them / ponders about them as if they were not its own creations, as if they were true. Could it be that the futility you feel is actually just the futility of that kind of thinking? Thought creates ideas about the world and then tries to make sense of those ideas and it cannot be done- because they are just ideas, not truth. They are separated from the facts of life. Do you see that?

@pavanakumari5652 2 жыл бұрын

Subtitles please !!!

@thattaikrishnan5523 2 жыл бұрын

To understand observer is observed. It is very simple. You have to obsrve. That's all. Game over. Do it. Without any choice.

@andrewhamilton155 4 жыл бұрын

This literally forced my eyes shut and almost put me to sleep, no disrespect intended lol

@subarnasubedi7938 4 жыл бұрын

LOL i slept for 2 hrs in the middle listening to this i felt happy atleast K could induce sleep.

@rishabhsinghdhir5266 6 жыл бұрын

Buddha

@sureshbhatt3183 2 жыл бұрын

Whatever you coments/questions/argues etc.etc."I"will be always there.Therefor nothingness is the truth existence.

@adrianarq8934 5 жыл бұрын

So, what does the understanding of the observed and the observed movement means? Could it be that if we are able to become the observer (mind) by generating a mutation in our brains that actually make us PERCEIVE ourself (observed) like out of our actual bodies. In a place where there is not thing such as time or mater in movement. Could that place be the MIND itself? or the beginning of meditation?

@emotionocean58 3 жыл бұрын

Loneliness self-liberates.

@faisalalam7235 2 жыл бұрын

Please transcripts

@silverblaize 4 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I'm not sure if I fully understand or agree with this. For example, if I observe a thought in me, the thought is not me. It arises in my mind, lasts for a while, then disappears. If I was the thought, then I would disappear along with it. Therefore I, the observer, cannot be the observed (the thought). The observer (me) observes thoughts, so the observer can never be observed. Otherwise you would need another observer to observe it. I can infer my own existence as an observer by thinking "The fact that I observe, means I'm the observer, and even this thought is being observed by me." You could say they are inseparable, because thoughts cannot exist without a conscious observer, just like a thought cannot appear in the mind of a dead man. But the observer does not rely on thoughts. Yet thoughts do rely on the observer. Anything observed is just an appearance in the observer, but not the actual observer itself.

@ericpazzaglia6905 4 жыл бұрын

The "me" you're referring to is just an idea. This idea, starts as a thought, as long as you hold that idea of self it will develop into an identity, what the Hindus call "false ego." stripping those layers of ego reveal a oneness with the world around you and the mind becomes crystal clear, no thoughts at all, just observation. Every idea, stems from the first idea of "I am..." So you say I am this, and I am not this, developing duality and perceiving differences. I am lonely disappears, because "I" disappears.

@silverblaize 4 жыл бұрын

@@ericpazzaglia6905 When I say "me" I am referring to pure consciousness. The Hindus have an example in the Upanishads of two birds sitting in a tree. One symbolizes the ego, and he chases madly after the fruits of the tree. While the second bird symbolizes Atman, pure consciousness. He is the observer that does not intervene, but simply watches. The silent witness. So yes I agree with you that when we think of ourselves as an everyday human being, this ego identification is actually non different from the thoughts that appear. And in this case, Krishnamurti is correct in that the observer is the observed. But we are NOT the ego-thought. We are the silent witness, Atman. This observer is never the observed. Yes, ultimately all is one. But the "observed" in this case, thoughts, or ego, are like a non existing mirage. Unreal. While the witness alone is real. The real can never be or become the unreal.

@zeademad5459 3 жыл бұрын

Luis very interesting I would like to hear more from you sir

@alexkhouri 3 жыл бұрын

There is no “I”. The “Me” is an illusion projected by thought. Actually, there are only thoughts, fostered by the illusion of the thinker. Without a thinker, is there a thought at all? So, in the video example, when “the me” realizes it is the same as loneliness, so every move it makes, trying to change, suppress, escape, are still in the field of thought that will increase the loneliness thought constelation even more, adding more confusion. So the only thing that remains is to do nothing, to remain with that thing, and when you remain with it, the thought stops feeding its growth. Then it loses power, and disappear. You saying that you are “Atman” is just another idea, that even if it was true, the very saying of it turns it into a false statement. If you are pure consciousness, “you (the me)” is not even there to notice and remember. Cheers

@vvv2k12 3 жыл бұрын

@@silverblaize if you're referring to consciousness when you say "me" then I'm assuming you're enlightened? I believe JK is preaching to regular egos.

@gangadharr3524 Жыл бұрын

Does that mean the phone that I use to type this doesn't exist if I don't exist? But it exists even without me existing right....

@alifboboy3395 2 жыл бұрын

Please adding auto translate

@wakaoeh 5 жыл бұрын

sounds like a non-dual kind of observation-seeing.

@divyaalokverma 3 жыл бұрын

He is actually teaching advaita vedanta here.

@siddarthshah1773 6 ай бұрын

yes advaita vedanta

@alperenekici3806 2 жыл бұрын

Subtitle PLEASE

@geethabu2955 4 жыл бұрын

K says “you have to look at it without the observer as a whole”. Who is the “ you” who is the who is looking at it ? Is it not another observer? That which is the observed cannot be the observer and that which is the observer can never be observed. You can never get behind the observer. The real observer is pure consciousness.

@twiggy114123 3 жыл бұрын

I thought so too!! And got confused... So the real "I" is the conciousness? But if so isn't it create division between the conciousness an the observer, observed...?

@arjanchatterjee6229 3 жыл бұрын

I feel what K means is that till the acquired identity 'I' is seeing or observing, the conflict between the observer and the observed will be there. When the I becomes the whole, pure consciousness, the observer and the observed bothe will be gone.

@sharikharib 3 жыл бұрын

@@arjanchatterjee6229 how can that be done kindly

@26bboycat 3 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is content. This content is just an idea. The observer is what is observed when thinking interferes (when recording takes place), somewhat fragmented. The brain deals with this energy, but the brain does not know what it actually is, it is conditioned and moves between comfortable and uncomfortable. In reality we are empty, there is only the body and the awareness. So there is only seeing without an observer when you know the truth of it. I hope someone understands it. Just examine it yourself without describing it in words

@MalkeetSingh-lc1yu 3 жыл бұрын

How can we gain more knowledge and understanding of this concept ?

@BayawanVillage 3 жыл бұрын

40 years

@markbrad123 5 жыл бұрын

Somewhat statically put. The observing is the observing with flux. Static is false added impression,each new moment being fresh.

@randycunningham1952 5 жыл бұрын

optizap flux is just a word...

@kingjae1498 Жыл бұрын

Realizing alot of these gurus use body posture and pauses to make it sound deeper than what it is...every day some random old Asian pops up in my feed trying to tell me bout life....

@metalmania997 2 жыл бұрын

Such simple words but heavy as mountain to implement at least for me. Here comes envy

@elmarwagner2683 Жыл бұрын

"I am that loneliness" means that loneliness is part of me. Accept it. Loneliness is only an example.

@kasyapvarma647 2 жыл бұрын

K's That one last smile.

@urbansadhu426 2 жыл бұрын

Does any body has a written script of thos talk

@eltipo7424 5 жыл бұрын

por favor traducir al castellano...muchas graciaasssssss

@corinlanser 3 жыл бұрын

Can someone please explain. I really struggle with Krishnamurti to understand anything he says in these videos. I get the point that " i am lonely" can't be a real thing as you aren't loneliness as a being or something, but if you say you are lonely, you are simply saying 'i feel I have not enough interaction with others or things to focus my energy and effort on'... Thanks

@manikkhanna2259 3 жыл бұрын

i am struggling too :(

@ananda224 Жыл бұрын

If the Observer is the observed then there is no longer an observer. So, if there is Love, there is just Love, if there is loneliness, there is just loneliness. They are being experienced as they are with out comparing it or trying to escape from it. When you have a separate observer, that separate observer compares these experiences with other ones. If it is loneliness, it wants to escape it for something else. But, if there is no observer and there is only the experience, then the experience can be free to rise and fall without judgement. He says that Loneliness disappears because if there is nothing to judge the experience, the experience becomes neutral and can be experienced fully as it is.