How did Champions League teams figure Arsenal & Manchester City out?

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Welcome to The Athletic FC's KZfaq channel, where best-in-class journalism meets video.
Arsenal and Manchester City enter the second leg of the quarterfinals of the 2023-24 Champions League with all to play for.
Mikel Arteta's side drew 2-2 against Bayern Munich at home, while Pep Guardiola's men drew 3-3 in spectacular fashion against a surging Real Madrid.
What tactical lessons can we learn from the first leg games and how will the managers change their plans going into the second leg?
Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie dig deep into the tactics and try to predict who will be crowned the Kings of Europe.
This is The Athletic's Week in Football.
#arsenal #championsleague #premierleague
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:55 Arsenal 2 - 2 Bayern
01:16 How Bayern changed their gameplan against Arsenal
06:54 Arsenal's Build-up Woes
08:43 Who will win the second leg?
10:46 Real Madrid 3 - 3 Man City
11:26 Real v City Tactical Comparison
14:52 Applied Tactics
16:29 Which team's tactics gave them the upper hand?
19:18 PSG 2 - 3 Barcelona
19:38 Pau Cubarsi has the Wau Factor
21:22 How do you stop Kylian Mbappe?
25:12 Barcelona's New Blood
28:13 Atletico 2 - 1 Dortmund
29:19 Who will win the Champions League?
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@hamidalbertoabudrussell9703 18 күн бұрын

I missed this trio so much. Their tactical analysis is second to none in today’s pundit landscape, and they do so while being funny.

@gentleken7864 18 күн бұрын

It's clear that The Athletic thought they were too silly and wanted only boring analysis. It's clear having someone like Adam Levanthal chairing the videos what they're after.

@viktoredv 18 күн бұрын

Just need it as a podcast...

@isahamilton01 18 күн бұрын

The Jon Joe JJ trio is too powerful. Nothing else on youtube can match their abilities of football analysis. I’ve really been enjoying the new graphics, they’re all perfectly used and aren’t intrusive whatsoever. Kudos 👏

@chinortega3 16 күн бұрын

The jjj

@manniking233 18 күн бұрын

UCL gives us these guys for two consecutive weeks. Let's not take that privilege for granted. I miss these guys together but I'll take what I can get...

@tianruixiao9239 18 күн бұрын

17:20 a rare laugh from Director Joe. I know we all love the tactical analysis but its the ridiculous questions that makes me love you guys.

@snake0sena 18 күн бұрын

“I wasn’t in France” “no but the players were” 😂😂

@SWJ808 18 күн бұрын

17:17 god I love Devine

@Audiostyleable 18 күн бұрын

As the everyman I would like to highlight that the videos from the athletic are 10x better with Joe devine

@leothecat9609 18 күн бұрын

MORE OF THIS

@clivepalmer3545 18 күн бұрын

Quality Arsenal assessment. I would mid block Bayern next time and jump on occasion Give them no transition - their keeper is too good in buildup

@YomsterFUT13 17 күн бұрын

EXACTLY i think we olay how we did vs City but more attacking and in a more expressive nature plus we'll have martinelli as an outlet. Bayern were great but feel we played into their hands so this time being away the onus will be on them. Plus this season i feel were a better team when we need to play for a draw and lock in defensively with saliba, gabriel and rice @6 (which is where he should be 2nd leg) and then keep a clean sheet first and then go try score. Arteta taking a leaf from his FA Cup Winning defensive run days and also a tad bit Simeone inspired. Tuchel got arteta first leg imo but 2nd i feeel like Mikel finally gets his statement win on the european stage. AC Milan '08 Stuff 🤞🏾🤞🏾

@jg7088 19 күн бұрын

It tells us that one manager is bald

@drex5160 19 күн бұрын

But which one tho? 🤔

@winter_silhouette 19 күн бұрын

Pep is just taller than his hair.

@ChadYu 18 күн бұрын

Perhaps we can infer that bald men are cute? 🤔

@robinthebobin6537 18 күн бұрын

Pep's bald cap just hasn't broken yet. One day there'll be a strong gust of wind and it'll be revealed that he actually has long ginger hair (probably)

@Vociferous 19 күн бұрын

“How will managers change their plans going into the second leg” A plan that wasn’t was the fact that there wasn’t much defending happening for any tie, you cannot sit deep and invite oppositional pressure in the away leg, whilst not comfortably being in a position.

@Kaysfrancis 18 күн бұрын

You guys are incredible. I can listen to you all day

@aka_jr 18 күн бұрын

For the culture, I need an Arsenal - Barcelona UCL final

@Montyweb 18 күн бұрын

That would be epic

@doodah111 18 күн бұрын

To avenge the injustice of 2006

@theo-go3br 18 күн бұрын

How poetic would it be to beat Porto (a good historical matchup for Arsenal), Bayern (a terrible historical matchup for Arsenal), Real (the literal greatest UCL club OAT), or City (their modern archnemesis and title holders), and finally Barcelona (for obvious reasons).

@jakubcygan8265 15 күн бұрын

I'd bet my house on Arsenal in that game, but I won't bet it on them getting to the final

@marsx5886 15 күн бұрын

Welp

@malevellysian 18 күн бұрын

jj's promo at the end instead of joe sounds like a drunk homeless person snuck himself into the studio:/

@dshannon565 11 күн бұрын

Bayern sitting back against arsenal is more reflective of bayerns form this season. If Bayern were running away with the league and were consistent I think they would’ve imposed their game on arsenal. Bayerns team is better than arsenal man for man in my opinion so they should look to impose themselves on arsenal. Arsenal are a very beatable side. On Barca I’d love to see a video on gavi on why he so good. I personally don’t rate him that highly. He doesn’t score, assists, play key passes, dictate the game or dribble so he’s not effective going forward even though he plays high up the pitch. Yes he presses well but once he gets the ball he needs to be effective.

@mikaelvaldezco3983 19 күн бұрын

just glad that Joe is back

@emmanuelonyono4517 18 күн бұрын

Great analysis bros for giving us deep understanding of the games.

@barca-vibe 19 күн бұрын

This tifo irl crew needs to do more barca content… only sensible analyst in the athletic

@Sincerely.Eben. 19 күн бұрын

These guys are just the best at talking about Football ⚽

@athreyathandeswaran7510 19 күн бұрын

Pedri, Gavi, Cubarsi, Yamal, Balde, Fort, Faye, Guille, Roque

@anshumansahu1087 18 күн бұрын

Foden, Rico Lewis, Claudio Echeverri, Oscar Bobb, Gvardiol, Doku, McAtee, Savinho, Yan Couto, Julian Alvarez, Haaland. With one of Wirtz/Musiala possibly inbound, the future is indeed very interesting.

@athreyathandeswaran7510 18 күн бұрын

@@anshumansahu1087Finley Gorman as well. Olise can join City. You also have Perrone. Neves can join City.

@anshumansahu1087 18 күн бұрын

@@athreyathandeswaran7510 Yes. Man City are seriously scouting Ruben Neves. Finley Gorman is a gem City brought from leeds recently.

@bread3017 15 күн бұрын

@@anshumansahu1087 Very unlikely Wirtz or Musiala will join

@ChimwaniJohn 15 күн бұрын

Who are these guys

@debagniksen7809 18 күн бұрын

Joe's voice is music in the ears

@zachmartin5647 18 күн бұрын

Awesome editing. It made it super engaging

@deenofm3620 18 күн бұрын

This content is absolutely brilliant guys! Please keep this up and make it as often as physically possible… Seriously I cannot get enough of your guys analysis. So thorough, so well done, please like this video and share it so that it is financially feasible for these guys to pump this content out!

@tomdadude444 18 күн бұрын

This lot would make an engaging podcast

@flickchic238 18 күн бұрын

These analyses are so great. I've learned so much about each team's tactics that can go unnoticed when watching their games in real-time. To be honest, I don't think Real Madrid's tactics are strong enough to defeat Man City. Madrid can score goals but when it comes to structure, I think City would have the advantage.

@exgonzo64 18 күн бұрын

loving this new format

@fis9836 18 күн бұрын

❤❤❤ great vid ;D

@cameronjones8641 18 күн бұрын

You guys are the best 👌🏼

@dannysnooze 5 күн бұрын

can someone tell me what pad they are using and what app they are using to run the tactics board and analytics on games?

@jarretc110 18 күн бұрын

i'm so glad the athletic are here to tell me what to think.

@StephenIbegbu-qj7gh 18 күн бұрын

But Enrique didn’t even help Mbappe He put him out wide when he’s meant to be in the Mbappe zone with Nuno Mendes out wide This is the same problem Arsenal are having with Martinelli These run in behind goal getters like Rashford, Mbappe, Son and Martinelli have no reason to be held out wide They’ll be limited in the game

@thomasdavies2555 18 күн бұрын

Love hearing yall talk…hi from Santa Barbara

@sami3648 13 күн бұрын

This is the football podcast dream team

@pozsoz 15 күн бұрын

The quadruple J combo strikes again. I love you guys. Thanks

@Pipemurillo12 18 күн бұрын

More Tifo hosts in the podcast please, love these guys beyond belief. I always thought the Athletic has sub-utilized their charisma into their business strategy

@buzzjens1 18 күн бұрын

These three men are the best football analysts itw

@siddharthsehgal620 18 күн бұрын

such a great video

@Untold-Football 18 күн бұрын

John didn’t want that Arsenal fan angst 😂, finally you guys trusting the process 👌🏾

@josephashipala6249 18 күн бұрын

I think Man city did well against Madrid cause u can see at the end of the game that Madrid where scard

@michaelfincham7306 19 күн бұрын

I believe they call it 'probing'.

@AmarRanaDeshmukh 15 күн бұрын

More of these please

@willyum3920 15 күн бұрын

I really get the feeling JJ is in mourning for what he's lost from the old days. I absolutely love him but I want them back and let off the leash to sing songs about a frog who could kill a man and redesign the super league. .... ok I might be projecting but that is what I see in JJ. Love you man 👍

@theach84 18 күн бұрын

8:45 Too many Arsenal fans exaggerate the defensive “problem” of Zinchenko while completely dismissing how he makes our whole team better. He literally does not give away that many goals. He makes the first second phase of our buildup much better. Arteta knows better and keeps trusting him.

@robinthebobin6537 18 күн бұрын

Agreed, after seeing how Arteta's revitalised our club over the last few years, I'm inclined to believe he probably knows what he's doing.

@MrYisus217 17 күн бұрын

he forgot that he was defending against aston villa, bailey's goal

@kevinonyedikachukwu564 19 күн бұрын

Great analysis

@sjeskey8361 15 күн бұрын

Man i wonder if these 3 would work well in some sort of podcast format???

@MrElias2002 13 күн бұрын

These guys are much better than the so called pundits on Sky, ESPN and CNBC.

@andytupman9874 18 күн бұрын

love John's final point of that arsenal would lose to city in the next round even though they have played each other 3 times this year with arsenal winning 2 of them and the other being a 0-0 draw

@gabrielguerrero3404 12 күн бұрын

Try telling pep that. He’s the most stubborn manager in the world. After watching man city this whole season I can say that if a 500 minute match existed with unlimited substitutions and man city conceded in the 1st min without being able to score until the 499th minute pep wouldn’t change a thing over that much time(talking about style of play not substitutions )

@lyndonroper6013 18 күн бұрын

Jon's Central Cordoba sweat is rad

@pranaychaturvedi7311 13 күн бұрын

Jon, JJ, Joe partnership is like prime Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo

@jasmeetxxx9 18 күн бұрын

If only Tactics were enough in knockout football, i still have my reservations with the amount of attack we generated and think that will not improve in away game at Alliance Arena. Only a clean sheet can get us into the semis.

@vishalchatterjee7510 10 күн бұрын

Funny how both John and JJ took arsenal qualifying for granted.

@wdred 18 күн бұрын

So JJ is kinda saying that Real, particularly on the left side were using relationism?

@jbri1 17 күн бұрын

@grid462 13 күн бұрын

I think I recall John Stones basically being hailed as the MVP for City last season. How devastating have his absences been this season? Or has he no longer been as critical to the team?

@chrishoward8500 18 күн бұрын

Drawing in Madrid is being figured out? Guess City were figured out last year too

@MrOMGWTFROFL1 18 күн бұрын

Oh baby, TIFO is back

@allantoxic-101k 18 күн бұрын

The only problem about Arsenal vs Bayern previous game ,is that Arteta forgot that Bayern winger can run faster than kiwior..Arsenal can win in Munich 2-1

@Jigga777 13 күн бұрын

Can they? 😂

@arfung9871 18 күн бұрын

Best trio

@beerd__af 16 күн бұрын

The removal of the away goals rule makes both of the first leg games almost pointless. means the 2nd leg starts at 0-0

@sewaeric 15 күн бұрын

But u stopped making game tactical analysis on tifo

@jamesleiper6399 18 күн бұрын

Whilst both games were on I and probably John were watching Leeds draw nil nil

@shottskies 15 күн бұрын

It will be a miracle if Madrid beat city in a few hours I feel… hurts me to say though

@DavidLimofLimReport 19 күн бұрын

What's with these Sat morning releases?

@imacat123 19 күн бұрын

Friday evening pst

@DK-nc9wr 19 күн бұрын

@@imacat123 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the crew is based in the UK. Hence OP's question.

@theromalepe8600 13 күн бұрын

The Man City prediction has aged poorly already 😂

@koutanot 18 күн бұрын

Bayern can barely cope with arsenal in second half. Not sure what u mean

@garyanderton 3 күн бұрын

Sup ma guy

@andrewquick1609 14 күн бұрын

Bloody fantastic you trio of jackanapes

@benharmon7369 18 күн бұрын

PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI!

@DanielS10291 18 күн бұрын

Omg is this the podcast back?

@himdamnself 18 күн бұрын

Latest homegrown players. And someone had to mention Harry Kane.

@maulanna 19 күн бұрын

JONNN MCKENZIE!!!!

@FlashMeterRed 18 күн бұрын

No. Champions league teams have Champions league-level attacks

@abukhalidali1823 18 күн бұрын

Let's see

@snoopos 18 күн бұрын

Do they do this analysis on other teams? Proper giving other teams' analysts on how to beat Arsenal 😅

@shadowside8433 18 күн бұрын

The chess game continues...

@alfflasymphonyx 18 күн бұрын

In regards to MBAPPE, the M is silent so pronounce it BAPPE. 😇

@arunnm24 18 күн бұрын

Joe fighting the good fight to keep the goofiness alive

@1972adamw 13 күн бұрын

How delicious would it be...if PSG and Real Madrid meet in the Finals?

@bhvithai5327 16 күн бұрын

I can only imagine that if Grealish were a UAP, he would both probe and penetrate.

@weeds56 18 күн бұрын

Brill

@chrisgarty 15 күн бұрын

@13:55 Joe really trying to derail JJ with all the comments about probing and penetration 😆

@ChriSX13 18 күн бұрын

i was today years old when i learned that you cannot be offside in your own half

@lukew6725 17 күн бұрын

Just wait until you find out that you can't score an own goal from a free kick. 😆

@samwalker8821 18 күн бұрын

❤

@jbri1 17 күн бұрын

Is that Doe Jevine?

@medelalmi 17 күн бұрын

19:00 so i'm an analyst then ? thanks

@gravy3858 18 күн бұрын

For a random American: do you think JJ Bull would be hard to understand? His accent doesn’t seem TOO strong to me.

@callmedo 18 күн бұрын

No, he is not hard to understand. But I can understand Carragher with no problem also so maybe it's just me haha

@TheLumberjocks 18 күн бұрын

Im not a native speaker and can follow him easy. So for an American should be easy

@kingkenzokwansa 16 күн бұрын

6:40 if you're going to name drop the culprits for the goal why not mention your countryman Rice as well? He has been awful since coming back from the international break with England

@lowersaxon 18 күн бұрын

Kluba Inglada a desappontionada alla matckas futballa Europea! Arsenala 2:2 a nixa sufficantionada. Chancka minimalia a stadione Allianza inda Municha. Leverpola a una katastropa extravaganza alla historia kluba. Nixa chancka alla secondo lego! Sola Manchesteria City a una gutska chancka forn secondo lego recka semifinalia! Takse mycke. Thank you much. Vielen Dank.

@ibrahimadat 3 күн бұрын

Gosh I really get frustrated by Jon mckinzies analysis, it’s classic example of arrogance of someone that understands a small aspect of something (tactics) but regularly misses the larger point. He’s so obsessed by in possession control that he thinks for some reason it’s superior, when it’s not. The best champions league teams never play like that, with two notable exceptions, Barcelona with messi and city last year which wasn’t even traditional in possession control. The reason it’s so successful in a league format is because it maintains possession against teams of considerably lower quality, reducing them to a few high quality chances rather than sustained attacks. At the business end of the champions league against the best teams it’s quite clearly suboptimal and actually makes the teams a bit toothless

@dookula 18 күн бұрын

Martin Erdagore

@danielseddon5213 19 күн бұрын

I'm all for infographics, but this is too busy on-screen to watch and enjoy. For me at least. Felt like watching guardiola's recent press conferences with the moving billboards behind him.

@danielseddon5213 19 күн бұрын

P.s. loved the analysis though

@xykostorm 19 күн бұрын

Agreed. Over edited - still good- but too much

@donukb 18 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's fair. This will be improved on for next week. Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!

@liamness 18 күн бұрын

But without these graphics, how will people who don't know what the word "deferential" means follow along with the discussion?

@Cbb3225 18 күн бұрын

As a casual fan, I appreciated the insight into tactics I hear often but don’t really know like pressing styles

@cescabhi 18 күн бұрын

LOL the disrespect to dortmund, barely spoken about for 2 minutes

@Epsilon04 18 күн бұрын

Never deserve any respect ever again after how they threw the title away last season. Pathetic club.

@athreyathandeswaran7510 19 күн бұрын

Bayern, City, Atleti and PSG thru imo PSG winning the whole thing. Kane bottling in the final.

@liesideways 18 күн бұрын

Zero ball knowledge

@Immagoat-bo4xt 18 күн бұрын

You already lose at home against weaker barca side that relied heavily on la masia, have some shame

@lukew6725 17 күн бұрын

Lmao, PSG in the ucl is more likely to bottle than Kane. 😂

@jbri1 17 күн бұрын

Unbelievable, Joe and Jon using long words like deferential

@Ruony24 18 күн бұрын

What's a Dune Too, guys ?

@IggyGoesPop666 18 күн бұрын

The Athletic guys ... can you do a show about the Mickey Mouse David Moyes defeatist so called tactics???

@wycliffenyangate5018 18 күн бұрын

a PROBE and a PENETRATION.

@daddywax254 18 күн бұрын

I don’t like the new Tifo. Bring back the old Tifo.

@AbdallahAyman-mz4uf 14 күн бұрын

Both Are Out LOL

@filthycasual729 19 күн бұрын

what should i eat for breakfast ?