How did this plane end up MILES off course?? American 965

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A few days before Christmas in 1995, the pilots of an American Airlines Boeing 757 wound up lost over the Andes mountains in South America. Under pressure to make it to the airport quickly, they began to make mistakes. What started out as a simple lapse in judgement, quickly snowballed into a series of critical errors, each one compounded by the one before it. In a few short minutes, these mistakes would result in the deaths of nearly everyone onboard.
This is the story of American Airlines flight 965.
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This video was inspired by Admiral Cloudberg's analysis here: / children-of-the-magent...
Final Report:
skybrary.aero/sites/default/f...
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Pictures:
787:
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A320:
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A330:
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A340:
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AAL965 Crash site pictures:
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00:00 Intro
01:05 Flight background
01:54 Pilots
03:38 Flying in Latin America
05:50 Initial descent
09:10 The first mistake
10:45 A shortcut
16:30 Wrong turn
18:58 Confusion begins
23:52 Terrain
24:54 Crash
25:26 Aftermath and Investigation
27:38 Children of the Magenta
29:10 Situational Awareness
29:40 Speedbrakes
30:50 American 965 documentary
31:44 EGPWS

Пікірлер: 886
@MatthewHerbert1997
@MatthewHerbert1997 Жыл бұрын
He forgot to mention one other survivor... A dog that was in its kennel in the cargo hold SOMEHOW survived and was evacuated along with the other survivors away from the wreckage
@allancouceiro9255
@allancouceiro9255 Жыл бұрын
aye chihuahua
@ingridclare7411
@ingridclare7411 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was going to mention the pooch too. It must have been terrified, waiting for the rescuers.
@ianmatthewkline8279
@ianmatthewkline8279 10 ай бұрын
Awww pup
@Leeooooooo...
@Leeooooooo... 9 ай бұрын
Did the dog's owner happen to be a survivor?
@MatthewHerbert1997
@MatthewHerbert1997 9 ай бұрын
That I don't know, sorry!
@heraldtim
@heraldtim Жыл бұрын
It is never, ever good when a pilot says, "Uh, where are we?" Thanks for the video!
@alexturnbackthearmy1907
@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Жыл бұрын
In half of crash reports there is always a quote like that.
@Williamb612
@Williamb612 Жыл бұрын
once the pilot on the Airbus I was on asked his seeing eye dog where the cockpit was when boarding…he also hit me with his cane on the way in
@htf5555
@htf5555 Жыл бұрын
even more ironic that captain tafuri was reconnaissance
@noob.168
@noob.168 Жыл бұрын
@@htf5555 he hid his location well from his enemy tho. from himself.
@BobbyGeneric145
@BobbyGeneric145 Жыл бұрын
Happens more often than you think. In an instant you can go from great situational awareness to completely mentally turned around.
@albertchehade9916
@albertchehade9916 Жыл бұрын
After watching all of your videos, I am greatly relieved that I survived 33 year flying career with 15k flight hours, without incident nor accident....in Australia and SE/SW Asia
@nuggets0717
@nuggets0717 Жыл бұрын
thank you for your service 🤝
@cyb3rfa1ry666
@cyb3rfa1ry666 Жыл бұрын
flying in any position is my dream, im proud of you for taking so many people/cargo places without incident, just for that youre a hero !!
@andreypetrov4868
@andreypetrov4868 Жыл бұрын
If you acted like the Captain in this video you would have been dead by now.
@albertchehade9916
@albertchehade9916 Жыл бұрын
@@andreypetrov4868 Fact! 😇
@robk7129
@robk7129 Жыл бұрын
Flying as career passanger ?
@badbadleroybrown
@badbadleroybrown Жыл бұрын
Two biggest errors for me were 1. not climbing as soon as they realised they were in a confused/unknown position given the surrounding terrain and 2. not retracting air brakes when in terrain avoidance mode.
@ElderWillows
@ElderWillows 4 ай бұрын
So like did you not watch the end of the video where 1 was spoken about being the current standard, and 2 was moved to more automated systems in these situations?
@airSEA.
@airSEA. 3 күн бұрын
@@ElderWillows Note that he never said that those two errors _should_ be implemented; he simply said that the two biggest errors the pilots made in his mind _were_ not climbing and not retracting speed brakes. Note the words "should" and "were"
@SuperpowerBroadcasting
@SuperpowerBroadcasting Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed anyone managed to survive this. The fact that even four people survived is incredible
@nukecorruption
@nukecorruption 11 ай бұрын
I've noticed watching these kinda videos that usually some survive whenever a plane crashes in to a forest since the trees slow down the plane massively. But no idea if that's true
@jin6000
@jin6000 11 ай бұрын
@@nukecorruptionVery much depends on the airplane’s speed.
@dinostorion
@dinostorion 11 ай бұрын
A dog in the baggage area survived as well
@caatkins1000
@caatkins1000 5 ай бұрын
@@dinostorionnobody ever mentions the animals in these situations, they must truly be terrified. Humans are so self absorbed 😢
@goxaviergo11
@goxaviergo11 2 ай бұрын
@@caatkins1000?
@mariaweston5477
@mariaweston5477 2 жыл бұрын
If pilot had landed there 13 times, I don’t understand why pilot didn’t know about reporting waypoints, from his previous flights into the airport.
@megadavis5377
@megadavis5377 2 жыл бұрын
It is entirely possible that, due to the airlines' policy of staying on a charted route at all times, this pilot may never before have asked for a direct routing to anywhere on an arrival. The phrase, "Cleared direct to Rozo (or anywhere)" means that Rozo is merely the clearance limit; you must stay on the charted arrival route to Rozo. If the controller has said, "... cleared direct, present position to Rozo..." the crew could have erased Tulua and proceeded directly to Rozo. In any event, I think we all learned an important lesson from this accident: At the very moment when confusion seems to reign supreme, abandon what you are doing and get the heck out of Dodge. Climb to a safe altitude and get back to a good starting point. Get back into the green.
@bmused55
@bmused55 2 жыл бұрын
He may have flown there before, but it might have been a while since he last did so. Pilots don't only fly the one route. Last flight could have been months or years before the crash.
@WillSmith63957
@WillSmith63957 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, if the pilots were aware how high the mountains were you would think it would be extraordinarily disconcerting to be unsure where they were while descending in complete darkness...
@golemer
@golemer 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that a terrorist had taken out the radar would have meant that they would have had to do the locating manually
@thomasmills3934
@thomasmills3934 2 жыл бұрын
@@bmused55 thats not true when we are talking about very difficult, stressfull or dangerous experiences. Our brains are wired to remember in great detail these kinds of tasks. This was a major cognitive failure on this pilots part.
@postersm7141
@postersm7141 Жыл бұрын
This is a perfect example of the Swiss cheese model among other things. Like most if not all crashes like this, it’s never just one or two or even three things that cause of the crash. all the holes in the Swiss cheese have to line up perfectly. I can’t remember the name of the doctor that came up with this model but I think it’s brilliant.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. That's James Reason's work.
@VGF80
@VGF80 Жыл бұрын
The terrorist's actions were like one giant hole just waiting to be passed through.
@beyondEV
@beyondEV 5 ай бұрын
It's really insane that neither Boeing nor the FAA understand that model and still insist to put commercial interest above safety and adding / not leaving out one of the slices.
@HD_555
@HD_555 2 ай бұрын
Congrats he actually reused that Swiss cheese model in his video about Bhoja Air flight 213
@lowlowseesee
@lowlowseesee 2 ай бұрын
@@beyondEV its not insane at all. insane would be if they were eating scaprs from the wing with blue cheese crumbles. its late stage capitalism. its very predictable, immoral and clearly all the rage amongst the rich
@Dovietail
@Dovietail Жыл бұрын
Erasing those beacons was no small mistake in mountainous country in the dark. You don't deviate in dark mountains. I'm surprised they got as far as they did before smacking into a mountainside. Tragic.
@natalo78
@natalo78 Жыл бұрын
"American Airline Flight 965 was truly one of the few crashes that have had this affect" He says, as the baggage conveyor plows through the passenger bus
@wintercame
@wintercame Жыл бұрын
Drives right under that sucker, doesn't he? 0:31😆
@luiskp7173
@luiskp7173 11 ай бұрын
Just after going through the fuel tanker 🙂
@liaedwards2011
@liaedwards2011 10 ай бұрын
underated lmao
@WhoDat_1
@WhoDat_1 8 ай бұрын
I had to go back and look after reading that lol
@ErinJeanette
@ErinJeanette 5 ай бұрын
Lmao I wasn't paying attention at all that's hilarious
@dw13645
@dw13645 Жыл бұрын
My friend when I was a little girl was on this flight with her family, visiting her mom’s family for Christmas. I always remember her and think often about what she or her little brother would be doing today. Thanks for your sensitive and informative video on this tragedy.
@postersm7141
@postersm7141 Жыл бұрын
Wow that’s crazy. I study a lot of aviation incidents and accidents because I’m fascinated with aviation. Your comment is surprisingly more common than you would think. When looking at comments and studying a lot of these accidents, it amazes me how many people either were connected or know somebody who was connected with a particular incident or accident.
@TheOriginalCFA1979
@TheOriginalCFA1979 Жыл бұрын
@@postersm7141 Yes. There are a lot of attention whores on the internet making up fictions. It’s not surprising.
@josephkowalczyk7459
@josephkowalczyk7459 Жыл бұрын
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
@ItsRawdraft2
@ItsRawdraft2 Жыл бұрын
@@josephkowalczyk7459 Nah bruh we balkanising that shit
@NicolaCiocchini
@NicolaCiocchini Жыл бұрын
@@postersm7141 this is actually an established result of social network theory, also known as ‘small world effect’
@MilliGaming86
@MilliGaming86 Жыл бұрын
A night flight over that terrain is the thing of nightmares
@VGF80
@VGF80 Жыл бұрын
And with no radar is a deathwish
@nendo502
@nendo502 Жыл бұрын
What the heck, the plane has GPS but no terrain map? Even google map has 3d terrain. That that's some crazily obsolete equipments.
@MilliGaming86
@MilliGaming86 Жыл бұрын
@@nendo502 this was 1995....
@nendo502
@nendo502 Жыл бұрын
​@2pac in 1995 gps and crt screen was available, a gps guided topographic map should be possible
@briancurtis3648
@briancurtis3648 Ай бұрын
When this happened Google did not even exist.
@yiuqwfj
@yiuqwfj 11 ай бұрын
Losing your way is excusable, but being lost AND descending in mountainous terrain, that's beyond me.
@miasmic100
@miasmic100 6 ай бұрын
Flying mountainous terrain in the dark, and relying on someone else, u got to be extremely careful
@animula6908
@animula6908 6 ай бұрын
I guess if you won’t excuse it then it can’t happen again. Refusing to accept or forgive other people’s humanity causes it to be impossible to be repeated. You’ve saved thousands. Thank you on behalf of mankind.
@vonjuergen
@vonjuergen 3 ай бұрын
Losing your way in airline operation is NOT exuseable.
@gabe-po9yi
@gabe-po9yi 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed a number of times where a pilot comments that something doesn’t feel/look/seem right, seems odd/strange, but not react to it if the other pilot doesn’t confirm it. I recall one flight in particular that took off on the wrong runway. The co-pilot commented on a few things that seemed strange, like no runway lights, but the Captain was focused on taxiing and takeoff and just said, Yeah. As a result, they ended up crashing because the runway was too short.
@Rammstein0963.
@Rammstein0963. Жыл бұрын
Think you're thinking of a Chinese flight which ran into construction equipment on an inactive runway.
@tomk8663
@tomk8663 Жыл бұрын
I believe that was Comair 5191 in Lexington, KY.
@lost4468yt
@lost4468yt Жыл бұрын
Something I've seen come up a significant number of times - but that the industry hasn't seemed to have done anything about. Is AirBus's dual input "averaging", where if one pilot pushes forward and the other back, the plane takes the average. It has been involved in several accidents that I've seen. I know there's a dual input audio alarm (although I've heard that's overridden by other alarms?) - but it's obviously not enough. Sure when one pilot is pulling back by 4 degrees and the other by 5 degrees yeah it makes sense to average them. But when they're doing completely different things it makes no sense to average them. Given how advanced the computers are, especially on Airbus - to me it would make sense that the computer calculate who is likely right and follow that pilots input. Their planes will already ignore pilot inputs and have the computer take over (in some situations we've seen the computer take over from the pilot and perform the opposite manoeuvre and save the plane), so it's not like doing this would be a sudden jump in automation. If the pilots are fighting each other like this something has already gone dramatically wrong - I'd rather the computer take an educated guess than continue to average two completely different things. Also the button to take control from the other pilot needs some serious tweaking. At the moment you have to hold it for 12 seconds to take full control. That's an insanely long time when one pilot is inputting dangerous to suicidal inputs. Also does anyone know what happens if the other pilot pushes the button? What if the dangerous pilot pushes the button first. I think the button time should be lowered to 2 seconds. And if both pilots are pressing it - the plane should again look at which pilot is performing the more dangerous manoeuvre, and ignore their button. I seriously can't believe how many times it has come up and no one has said "Ok Airbus that's a cool feature for normal flying, but when you have a dangerous pilot maybe you shouldn't just carry on averaging like everything is normal?"
@whisper-editedgameplays1089
@whisper-editedgameplays1089 11 ай бұрын
​@@lost4468ytI think the computer sums it up and doesnt avarage it out. People say it avarages it out because in most situationens this leads to an accident one pilot is pushing up and the other down. However there was also once an accident in which both pilots pulled back and the computer summed the numbers up to an unsafe degree of climb and therefor ignored the pilots inputs alltogether leading into a near crash landing.
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 Ай бұрын
​@@Rammstein0963.It was Singapore Airlines flight 006. Crashed into the construction equipment at Taipei Airport when the pilots mistook a taxiway under construction for the runway, in very bad weather.
@kneel1
@kneel1 2 жыл бұрын
ugh this one was tragic, thats why its best to over-communicate and be meticulous about validating what you're entering into the computer and checking the map and ensuring its what you expeted etc
@lowlowseesee
@lowlowseesee 2 ай бұрын
i think you missed the part where the capt deviated from the rules of flyin in that area. its utterly irresponsible. all that other shit wouldnt even be a factor if he followed BASIC PROTOCOL
@SteffenHamre
@SteffenHamre 2 жыл бұрын
By far the best explained version of this accident. Must have been very time-consuming creating this video. Excellent work once again!! Thanks, and keep up the good work!
@Menstral
@Menstral 2 жыл бұрын
My palms sweating, and I am groaning.
@slypear
@slypear Жыл бұрын
Was about to say same. The calming "narrator's" voice inflected at appropriate moments are not only measured and reassuring but also convincing
@galady8632
@galady8632 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how clearly you explain stats without making it overwhelming. While every crash is a tragedy it seems this one could have been avoided during several missed opportunities. Sketchy radar and language concerns were 2 reasons I never worked any South American trips.
@rositawest4279
@rositawest4279 Жыл бұрын
If English is supposed to be the international language of aviation, how do you have air traffic controllers that aren't fluent in it?!
@rex8255
@rex8255 Жыл бұрын
At the point in which the pilots figured out that they didn't know where the hell they were, the words of my flight instructor, and the gentleman that wrote the book that I studied for ground school: "Climb, Confess, & Comply". This was related to an VFR pilot flying into IFR conditions (in my case, the "confess" would be "I'm a dumbass, and flew into the clouds, please help me not to die)... never the less, and i'ts pointed out in the video, this would have been the best course of action.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 16 күн бұрын
That falls directly in line with Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. The first step is to get the plane under control, then to figure out where you are and where you have to go, and only then to call people that you have problems.
@cancelanime1507
@cancelanime1507 2 жыл бұрын
My mom is from Cali, I've personally flown this same route on AA more times then I can count.. A few may have even been on the 757 but I was too young to remember..
@brysonbradford8622
@brysonbradford8622 2 жыл бұрын
Since 02-03 they have been using the 737 800 on the route.
@johnwhittington4209
@johnwhittington4209 Жыл бұрын
Nevermind then, can you still count today?
@ED-es2qv
@ED-es2qv Жыл бұрын
In the most mountainous region you’ve ever flown in, don’t skip waypoints. It might matter. In the desert, skip anything you want.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, that was pretty much a communication error. "clear to that waypoint" meant for one side "clearance to fly directly to that waypoint" and for the other side "clearance to continue on the flight path up until that waypoint" And both are understandable interpretations.
@andresm968
@andresm968 2 жыл бұрын
Hey green dot. I love your videos, congratulations. I’m from Cali, Colombia and I live in Bogota at the moment. Even though I was 3 years back then, this accident was very sounded even years after. Even my parents remember this and tell me how everyone waiting for their love ones started to go to the crash side when rumors about the crash site started out. I take what you say at the very end and I hadn’t realized and it’s the fact that this crash helped to make aviation industry safer. It’s true that our country is very challenging to fly in.
@ivanzidane2885
@ivanzidane2885 2 жыл бұрын
Man i dont know why i love this kind of documentary at the same time its horrifying to imagine being the passengers or pilots but at the same time interesting
@davidyolchuyev2905
@davidyolchuyev2905 Жыл бұрын
I have been watching this channel since a week and I just keep watching it. Thank you for creating not too long videos, speech eloquence, and a good story telling.
@Mordecai154
@Mordecai154 Жыл бұрын
Same!! I found the channel and have now binge watched every episode
@Mark-uh4zd
@Mark-uh4zd Жыл бұрын
This channel and disaster breakdown do a great job breaking down these flight disasters. Sad that safety rules in the skies, and many other jobs, are usually written in blood.
@stephengrimmer35
@stephengrimmer35 2 жыл бұрын
Unbelievably sad. Does nobody check compass headings any more? Excellent channel, puts other, better established ones in the shade, well chosen incidents, great graphics and well delivered commentary in a professional TV accent. Deserves more subscribers and upvotes. Keep it going. They will come!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That’s the plan :)
@alangarland8571
@alangarland8571 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like an Irish accent, but not Dublin, a bit more west.
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun Жыл бұрын
@Steve Robinson How is a lot of people dying funny?
@reklaw3603
@reklaw3603 Жыл бұрын
no need for compass anymore, tech is king and a major killer, but, they still want tech as king. people are stupid.
@BobbyGeneric145
@BobbyGeneric145 Жыл бұрын
In my 320 the standby compass is stowed away. We do however make sure that the map on the navigation displays make sense before executing it.
@mannygon
@mannygon Жыл бұрын
My worst fears as a passenger was landing at Oviedo airport (OVD) in Northern Spain. This beautiful area is close to high mountains and the airport (7,218 feet in lenght) ends abruptly before a cliff directly into the cold Cantabric sea. One day we went into a very turbulent, thick, gray cloud on final approach. The plane was bouncing up and down and I could see the wing flapping up and down like a handkerchief. All of a sudden we came out of the cloud and I could see the cows looking at me thinking "are those people crazy"? This happened in the early 1970s. The airport was inaugurated in 1968. I don't know what kind of technology the IBERIA pilots were relying on but they were true, fearless matadors.
@joaquincimas1707
@joaquincimas1707 Ай бұрын
The airport is the Asturias Airport (OVD) 1970s Iberia tech, probably a compass and a map😂😂 Now, being serious, probably tje same tech the rest of european airlines have at that time.
@CONNECTELECTRIC
@CONNECTELECTRIC 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the thumbnail and the callsign, I already knew the story when I was a teen. I had time to kill so Let's just hear the story again from another source. OMG... You can make a blind mind see with your adjectives. This was the best Documentary of the situation.
@jude_the_apostle
@jude_the_apostle Жыл бұрын
About the theory on the toxic fumes in the cabin. Its interesting to note that alcohol was found in the body of Captain Tafuri. They weren't sure if it was due to him drinking prior or whether it was produced after a natural process called putrefaction which is 25% of the time, the reason alcohol is found in the blood of fatal air crash victims. Alcohol or fumes, this would make sense of how he missed things such as the dotted line or their ADI showing them in a bank. All very strange from 26-year AA veteran.
@cliffordhurst2564
@cliffordhurst2564 Жыл бұрын
Probably correct. A similar situation occurred in the Moorgate tube train crash in London about 25 years ago as the drivers body was not recovered for several days and alcohol was detected in his blood. Due to time and temperature conditions in the tunnel, this was probably due to decomposition.
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 Жыл бұрын
I was going to comment that same thing about Moorgate. The alcohol being found in the drivers system was a huge factor in the suicide claims by certain parts of the written media at the Time.
@JaniceLau21
@JaniceLau21 2 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent production - super interesting, engaging and intuitive. As a psychology grad, I am particularly intrigued by the mention of psychological biases - this is a component that needs to be considered (in many aspects of life), and I am loving the consideration and thought that goes into these videos (and the psychological element!). Keep doing what you do!
@sharoncassell9358
@sharoncassell9358 2 жыл бұрын
A much neglected aspect of job consideration, psychological.
@troysovich3074
@troysovich3074 Жыл бұрын
YOU ARE A PERSON "EXCELLENT" INTERSTED IN DEATH. SUPER LOVE DEATH AND PLANE CRASHES. Are you 15yrs old? Sick human
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 Жыл бұрын
The captain had landed at Cali 13 previous times. That's the bit that astonished me.
@mattoc7567
@mattoc7567 2 жыл бұрын
Superb analysis, production and narration and most of all outstanding aviation expertise that combined, delivers one of the best, if not the best aviation accident documentaries around!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt! Good to see you in the comments :)
@jeffpestano1296
@jeffpestano1296 4 ай бұрын
When ever FC asks if you want a short cut; just say no. Especially if you’re half way through your checklist to land.
@dbulmannz
@dbulmannz 2 жыл бұрын
These are one of the best quality plane crash docs on here. Very impressed!!
@Don-lo6vm
@Don-lo6vm Жыл бұрын
I love your version of the accident better than the Mayday version. Your point of view is from a pilot's view, rather than a TV drama
@coldorange5
@coldorange5 4 ай бұрын
I'm never taking a night plane near mountains after watching these
@StephenLuke
@StephenLuke 8 ай бұрын
RIP To the 159 passengers and crew of American Airlines Flight 965
@joshuaoliver9571
@joshuaoliver9571 Жыл бұрын
My question is, if they lost track of where they were and they knew they were surrounded by huge mountains, why didn’t they stop descending or even climb up until they knew where they were? Incredible video by the way!
@danieloneill9093
@danieloneill9093 17 күн бұрын
The problem was that other planes were also in the area I imagine. So, they have to follow the comptroller. But, he was partially at fault for this also (although harsh since his English wasn't good).
@taridean
@taridean 2 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this channel. Although I've seen some of these accidents covered on air accidents shows on telly, somehow you seem to keep things straight to the point without the dramatisation elements.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you appreciate it!
@chocAscetic
@chocAscetic 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched a few of your videos but you really brought to life the confusion and subsequent panic with your re-enactment. A gutting story but really well delivered.
@muzicsean76
@muzicsean76 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation so far on this accident i have seen,even the Mayday episode about this accident isn't so informative as yours,Great stuff. There was an American Airlines flight 331 accident that occurred in Jamaica in 2009 i believe, no one has really done an in depth documentary about it. I would love to see an in depth mini documentary about it just like this one,but i can only dream lol. Keep them coming. Love your channel as i said very in depth and easy to understand.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sean, glad you enjoyed the vid. AAL331 looks really interesting, I'll have a look into doing it over the coming months.
@muzicsean76
@muzicsean76 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreenDotAviation great can't wait !
@seemantadutta
@seemantadutta Жыл бұрын
Excellent channel! I have been binged watching your videos lately. One thing I have realized by now is that pilot experience means nothing if they can’t work under pressure. It’s really sad to see experiences pilots making such errors when working under pressure.
@jamest2401
@jamest2401 Жыл бұрын
The Boeing 757 in American Airlines classic livery, and especially without winglets, was such a glorious looking aircraft. There’s something about the the 757 without winglets that makes it such an awesome, sleek looking bird.
@SPiderman-rh2zk
@SPiderman-rh2zk 11 ай бұрын
My favourite aircraft by far. It has a high thrust to weight ratio and the combination of long range and ability to operate from smaller airports. In the UK it served with many airlines like Britannia, Thomsonfly/TUI and Air 2000, and operated many routes at a profit. Even now the -200 family continue to frequent East Midlands as workhorses for DHL, and some are in service with Jet2 (though a few have been upgraded with winglets).
@jamest2401
@jamest2401 11 ай бұрын
The only one that I like better, or perhaps equally, is the Boeing 727. Its clean wing, aft clustered 3 engines, and aggressively swept back T-tail. Its such a classic, beautiful, and modern looking design, that the few that are still flying, don’t look a bit out of place amongst the most current designs.
@jamest2401
@jamest2401 11 ай бұрын
I live outside of Atlanta, and went to Hartsfield-Jackson to watch the morning takeoffs. And with Delta Air Lines having such a large Boeing 757 fleet, it was one of them blasting off every other aircraft. There’s a reason people refer to the 757 as “rocket ship service!”
@bluesmoke8826
@bluesmoke8826 Жыл бұрын
This video was so detailed to the point where you could hear the RB211s in the background as the pilot tries to clear the mountains
@jetnoise4817
@jetnoise4817 2 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown. One thing however, when referring to the ADF that is actually called the RMI or radio magnetic indicator and CAN display bearings to/from a tuned NBD as an ADF would if so selected, or it can display courses/radials from a VOR if so selected. That’s the beauty of this particular instrument. Add to that the fact it displays DME as well and you sir have the Swiss Army knife of avionics.
@johnathancorgan3994
@johnathancorgan3994 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know when this became standard procedure but currently a pilot on an instrument flight plan is CLEARED TO the final point (called the clearance limit) on their flight plan, while they get CLEARED DIRECT to the waypoint they should fly to next. Perhaps this phraseology came about as a result of this confusion here, I don't know. So this change in flight plan would have been phrased "American 965, cleared to the Cali airport via the ROZO 1 Arrival, cleared direct TULUA."
@mariaweston5477
@mariaweston5477 2 жыл бұрын
Airport didn’t have radar.
@johnathancorgan3994
@johnathancorgan3994 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariaweston5477 Good point.
@Ticklestein
@Ticklestein 2 жыл бұрын
30:49 - That fuel truck is having a rough day..
@CammyjOfficial
@CammyjOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
I’m amazed anyone survived this.
@jodysin7
@jodysin7 6 ай бұрын
Ever since this crash, all airlines now train that when you go max thrust, always check spoilers are stowed. This is now common practice across the globe.
@SquareNoggin
@SquareNoggin Жыл бұрын
These videos are hella compelling, this is the kind of info you want for a vid like this. Well done.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@christinestill5002
@christinestill5002 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. And I've been watching these since the 1st one on YT. After years, I don't need a full dramatization but now too many ppl (some who cannot make a plane look like it is moving) jump right in to accidents, most of which viewers are very familiar with already. Thank you.
@marshie1337
@marshie1337 2 жыл бұрын
youre great at this. presentation and recreations kept me hooked all the way through.
@burntsider8457
@burntsider8457 2 жыл бұрын
Well presented explanation of a frightening crash.
@publicmail2
@publicmail2 2 жыл бұрын
I was on another AA 757 flt to HI after this happened and was talking to crew about how terrible it was.
@brysonbradford8622
@brysonbradford8622 2 жыл бұрын
Did the crew know the accident crew??
@Jojos25
@Jojos25 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so entertaining and well written, please keep making more!
@bwalsh1105
@bwalsh1105 5 ай бұрын
Surviving an event like this is hard to live with as you move forward but throw that in with survivors guilt and I feel so bad for those who did and of course for those who didn’t. I can’t imagine the horrors they went through and that haunt them every day
@burney7418
@burney7418 2 жыл бұрын
Why do I keep watching these. I'm hooked but I have been a FIFO (fly in fly out) worker for 30 years. I fly to remote mine sites in Western Australia. I've been on 10 seater planes landing on dirt strips with no ATC. Also major flights into actual airports. I fly 14 days on and 7 days off nowadays. The smaller dirt strip airports would have us hearing our flight home overhead but couldn't land due to fog and we were stuck after a 12 hr nightshift waiting for hours. But yeah it's safety first. Kudos to the pilots to be safe. I do remember one time that we were flying home from Leonora , a remote mining town and we were flying on a jet that was possible because of a proper runway. Other small aircraft landed there too. There was a flight on a small aircraft that was leaving Perth to Leonora, which we were heading to as the same time as us, heading to us. That flight never made it. There has been so much speculation. The plane was a light aircraft and it was fully fuelled. Leonora is about 600km from Perth and had enough fuel to pick up and return from Leonora. Something went badly wrong after take off. It was reported that there was no cabin pressure and not only the Pilots but the passengers as well were unconscious. Because the plane has so much fuel, it flew past where it supposed to be and just kept flying. The plane left Western Australia and flew past the Northern Territory and into Queensland which is thousands of Kilometres away. Reports say that the Airforce were going to shoot it down to stop it crashing on houses. Luckily no one on board was conscious for this. It crashed and no one else was hurt.
@Rammstein0963.
@Rammstein0963. Жыл бұрын
Sounds similar to a Greek flight from Helios I think it's called, that one plowed into a mountain.
@dougschwieder3627
@dougschwieder3627 Жыл бұрын
One simple question I have is how the pilot thought he could check in after reaching Tulua once Tulua was no longer a waypoint? That alone should have alerted him that he was doing something the controller didn't tell him to do. I had watched the whole series of Mayday and the other one and didn't think pilots had any way to navigate unless a controller told them where they were. Now through your videos, such as this I understand that they do have good tools to use to avoid getting lost, as long as they don't make mistakes and consult them when they need to. Like the DME etc. The way you explain their errors as they make them instead of going back over them after the crash makes it easier to understand. Thanks.
@zekeonstormpeak4186
@zekeonstormpeak4186 2 жыл бұрын
It’s fundamental, the captain should have set up the new approach while the 1st officer scanned the instruments and flew the plane. Once there was any sign of confusion, the approach became unstable, and they should have immediately climbed to a safe altitude and figured out where they were.
@mylesflaig148
@mylesflaig148 2 жыл бұрын
Very thorough and clear explanation, except you seem to me to pronounce the letter “R” as “OR”.
@gchecosse
@gchecosse 2 жыл бұрын
I believe that's the standard pronunciation in Ireland
@mylesflaig148
@mylesflaig148 2 жыл бұрын
@@gchecosse my wife who is Of Irish ☘️ stock agrees this could be the case. Do Irish pilots and ATCs get special coaching for this? 😹 But seriously, language issues have contributed to serious misunderstandings.
@mylesflaig148
@mylesflaig148 2 жыл бұрын
@@gchecosse And Thanks. In Canada and the UK 🇬🇧, we say Z as “zed “, but in the USA 🇺🇸 they say “zee”. Hence the need, at times, to use phonetic alphabet “Zulu” , and for R add “Romeo”.
@sb1349
@sb1349 2 жыл бұрын
Took me a bit to figure out what he was saying on this. Wouldn't be a bad idea to use the NATO alphabet to avoid confusion in the future.
@maxfullerton5228
@maxfullerton5228 Жыл бұрын
Mentour Pilot , Disaster Breakdown, 74 Gear, Green dot Aviation, The Flight Channel, Mini Air Crash Investigation and Three greens- Aviation Safety. These are the best aviation channels I have come across. Enjoy guys. PS: If there are any I don't know about , Please comment below. I need more haha.
@HERBSMAN441
@HERBSMAN441 Жыл бұрын
I like Allec Joshua Ibay as well. Basic but gives you all the information
@larryroyovitz7829
@larryroyovitz7829 Жыл бұрын
You're right. And I've binged every single one of their videos, even watching the same crash (but from different channels of course) that I said to my wife (and I am joking) - "they need to crash more planes, so there can be more amazing content". lol
@Eruma_27
@Eruma_27 Жыл бұрын
Airspace as well check him out he’s great
@NotTheRambo
@NotTheRambo Жыл бұрын
@@HERBSMAN441 Yeah, used to watch him before TFC but TFC's production is on whole another level.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 жыл бұрын
If you enjoyed this video, you can support the channel and get early-access to ad-free videos on Patreon! www.patreon.com/GreenDotAviation
@noahwilliams8918
@noahwilliams8918 Жыл бұрын
I love that you mentioned Van's teachings in this video. I'm sad never to have met the guy, he had a great sense of humour and his talks, still available on KZfaq, are some of the best instructional content on aviation out the.
@jammydodgerman
@jammydodgerman Жыл бұрын
Watching the height above ground indicator draw closer to 0 without having any visual reference out the windows must have been horrifying
@Rammstein0963.
@Rammstein0963. Жыл бұрын
That alone should have told them the ground is approaching, we need to go to full throttle and climb NOW.
@mohammedisaa9952
@mohammedisaa9952 Жыл бұрын
.....then flys into a mountain...... so tragic and awfull for all concerned......rip to all.....
@giacomobarra6235
@giacomobarra6235 2 жыл бұрын
I am an aerospace engineering student and just recently a pilot has come to my University and held a lecture on the fast development in the last years of automation in aviation. Everybody there was amazed at the marvel of technology but his point was different. The main idea of such conference was instead to warn about automation dependency and how it may lead to a loss of SA and control when crews become highly task saturated, as in the example fo flight 965. The discussion also included the topic on the different levels of automation and how to manage them. This of course came from the Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program held by Captain Warren Vanderburgh and I find delightful the fact that you sir has cited him as well. It is reassuring to hear more and more people talking about such concepts and trying to raise awareness over the tendency of aviation to be more and more reliant on automation rather than having its crews be skillful and excellently trained airmen. It seems to me that the words of Captain Vanderburgh, as they luckily seem to be spreading, are resonating quite well with pilots and enthusiasts of the industry alike and I, a pilot myself, believe that, if the discussion is kept alive, it is possible to prevent us from turning completely into children of the magenta. I thank you dearly for such insight brought forth in this video. To everyone who has not seen Captain Vanderburgh's lectures, please go check them out on KZfaq.
@RipRoaringGarage
@RipRoaringGarage 2 жыл бұрын
It is ironic that with enhanced safety comes complacency. While aviation may mask this to an extent, you see this in automotive engineering, with more and more safety equipment, which only leads drivers to become more reckless and driving faster and faster. In aviation, the recklessness is not always in regards to speed and risk taking but more on automation reliance, and unfamiliarity with basic hand flying. Stick and rudder skills are so poor in some pilots that have 10k plus hours. Add into this some more subtle issues regarding the philosophy of "where the buck stops". Airbus adopts the attitude that the engineer knows best, and in certain cases will override pilot input. In American aircraft, it is deemed that the pilot is best to judge this. I can go on into a more sociological view between the once Libertarian views of America and the more Government centric (not to say downright Authoritarian views of recent years). Ultimately each view has a trade off, and I am pleased to see the US style of aviating, prevail globally, as more and more pilots are being taught to hand fly as much as possible, even down to using auto land only in inclement weather, at night, etc. Im not a pilot, and no longer work in aviation, but I am concerned with the state of driving for the same reason. Driving, like flying is not merely getting from point A to point B. When driving was more a pursuit of passion, it was handled more skillfully (ie you had fewer stupid pointless crashes, versus impulse, risk taking, etc). As a result, the median age of serious car crashes is aproaching the median age of drivers (where as it used to be younger drivers more prone to "dumb" choices). Automotive ops and engineering have always been behind aviation, and draw inspiration from the latter, so maybe in the coming decades a cultural shift could occur. Both are the same in the regard that you operate a complex machine, at speeds beyond human reaction, and while fixed wing aircraft have the luxury of time, cars are akin to helicopters, in that quick thinking and fast reactions are crucial, versus checklist following and so on (which is not to say checklists are not important in maintenance though, but I can write a novel on the matter). Good luck in your studies.
@alsonluhlanga3563
@alsonluhlanga3563 2 жыл бұрын
Captain vanderburgh.. S contacts please!!!!!!
@junjalapeno7773
@junjalapeno7773 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this. Not only did you make us appreciate pilots but also gave an overall idea of what happens during flight. I’m new to your channel and I don’t know if you already have, but can you cover the 1986 Cerritos mid-air collision?
@alanwilliams9310
@alanwilliams9310 Жыл бұрын
Another superb video, EPGWS would have been a waste of time to these two, when they were not even aware that the aircraft had made the left turn. No mention of placing TULUA as a FIX in the FMC! or even the airport for that matter. No mention of MSA either, as an airline pilot, I could not believe what was happening on that flight deck.
@kentdavies1988
@kentdavies1988 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you mentioned Warren Vanderbergh.... what a great bunch of his training videos you can find right here on KZfaq!
@mohammadserhan6687
@mohammadserhan6687 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video and great effort. All the respect. I am a low time PPL and I find this channel both educational and very enjoyable to watch.
@kvltizt
@kvltizt 6 ай бұрын
their complete lack of spidey sense is insane. you’re in the mountains!
@petecopeland9906
@petecopeland9906 Жыл бұрын
This was one of the most interesting airplane videos I've seen a while. Great job. Small note: your pronunciation of the letter "R" really shows (at least to my American ican ear) the need for the Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, .... alphabet for radio communication. When you say "R", I hear "ore", not the "are" I am expecting. Took me a few instances of you saying "ore" for me to realize that if you were using the radio alphabet you would have said Romeo.
@redryder1146
@redryder1146 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video keep up the outstanding work!!!
@user-gy2pk3ec7n
@user-gy2pk3ec7n 6 ай бұрын
I also felt safe whenever I fly with American airlines. But even with this two skilled pilot's. Anything could go wrong!
@michaela6147
@michaela6147 Жыл бұрын
How does a commercial airliner get lost? Gross negligence not only from the pilots but everyone involved.
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 Жыл бұрын
A child’s understanding of the accident.
@michaela6147
@michaela6147 Жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 😂. You are a comedian
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 Жыл бұрын
@@michaela6147 and you are a simpleton.
@Rammstein0963.
@Rammstein0963. Жыл бұрын
No, he's just a snarky asshole...who somehow thinks he's offending people.
@peteconrad2077
@peteconrad2077 Жыл бұрын
@@Rammstein0963. I don’t care whether I offend or not. I state things as they are. You can like that it not. It’s the same ti me either way.
@BleachCowboy2016
@BleachCowboy2016 2 ай бұрын
I think the lesson is, if you get lost at night in a mountainous region, go to a higher altitude until you figure it out.
@christopherjaya342
@christopherjaya342 6 ай бұрын
When you captain said "We're f*cked up, didn't we?", it's never a good sign
@josephconnor2310
@josephconnor2310 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I've seen on this accident. Thank you.
@alsonluhlanga3563
@alsonluhlanga3563 2 жыл бұрын
Hell.. Yeah💟💟👍🙏👍👍
@crystalkazmi
@crystalkazmi Жыл бұрын
It is insane to allow night or foggy weather approaches in such difficult terrains in my opinion. The pilots who do get it done are heroes
@MKMann
@MKMann 2 жыл бұрын
Great job on this production.
@michaelosgood9876
@michaelosgood9876 Жыл бұрын
Pilots with nearly 30000 hrs have crashed airliners. Eastern L1011 in Everglades, United DC8 in Portland. To have done that many hours tells me these captains were up with the best of their time. Goes to show, this can happen to any pilot on a bad day.
@Mordecai154
@Mordecai154 Жыл бұрын
So then why do they make such what seem to be simple mistakes that they should know better about?
@jamiejaysinger8391
@jamiejaysinger8391 Жыл бұрын
I guess you only know from your mistakes.....r.i.p everyone involved
@michaelosgood9876
@michaelosgood9876 Жыл бұрын
@@Mordecai154 human factors, my friend. That was the exact point I made. Doesn't matter how many hours we do, we are not exempt from mistakes. Human factors.
@michaelosgood9876
@michaelosgood9876 Жыл бұрын
@@jamiejaysinger8391 I only know thru accident reports, not personal experience. Human factors can happen to the most experienced. That was my point.
@poguri27
@poguri27 8 ай бұрын
In diving accidents, "they were an experienced diver" is almost a meme at this point. Many incidents by supposedly experienced divers, where it turns out they made basic mistakes. Raw hours doesn't always mean improved skill. It can even mean worse skill if you're drilling in bad habits. It depends what happens to you during that time and whether you continually reflect on your actions regardless of whether you made it out okay . I'm surprised the "experienced crew" term is thrown around so often in these incidents. It shows a lack of understanding of how human skill acquisition works.
@jtmuzix
@jtmuzix Жыл бұрын
That dark errie jingle and the green graphics really captured my interest, outside of the actual content that is, if course.
@kikastra
@kikastra Жыл бұрын
Pure gold story telling.
@jovidicap894
@jovidicap894 9 ай бұрын
I really like this channel. The narrator does a great job of storytelling, along with great explanations of acronyms, the various aircraft systems, and the procedures involved in aircraft piloting. The amazing re-dramatization footage is a very nice touch too. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
@MjauDuuude
@MjauDuuude 11 ай бұрын
I can't believe I haven't found your channel before, it's amazing
@federicoprice2687
@federicoprice2687 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis. Thank you.
@Theranchhouse1
@Theranchhouse1 2 жыл бұрын
very well presented...Thank you !
@paulazemeckis7835
@paulazemeckis7835 Жыл бұрын
Yes this was definately told better than the original Mayday episode (or whatever it was). Thank you!
@illuminite
@illuminite 10 күн бұрын
Been addicted to green dot aviation's videos.. But this is the first video where I got completely stumped by the narrator's accent! It took me a few occasions to catch that "or" was just his (Irish?) pronunciation of the letter "r""!!!! Happened around 16:30-17:15 hahaha Keep up the good work, love your videos
@MSA3568
@MSA3568 Жыл бұрын
Well documented. A similar accident happened on a Dan Air 727 near Los Rodeos Airport Tenerife 1980 and a Garuda Airbus A300B2 Sept 1997. Both were due pilots loss of situation/position awareness.You might want to cover them if you haven't already?
@lmSheep
@lmSheep 3 ай бұрын
Just read an interview from a survivor. She made her brother switch seats with her, and her and her dad were one of the only 4 survivors, truly crazy
@Utubin
@Utubin 14 күн бұрын
More like Truly sad.
@Amarilliya
@Amarilliya 9 сағат бұрын
It boggles the mind that pilots would continue to descent in an area that they know is a mountainous region, while being completely aware of the fact that they're lost and flying blind
@KimmyTheDarkTrader
@KimmyTheDarkTrader Жыл бұрын
I mean it's just common sense right to implement speed brake auto-retract whenever full engine thrust has been apply. No one in the world will be pressing their vehicles gas while steps on the brakes at the same time. I guess this is another valid reason for the past couple years whenever I'm traveling, Airbus schedule flight will be my first choice when I buy my ticket especially after Max 8 incident and also the expose documentaries on 787.
@landychen9968
@landychen9968 Жыл бұрын
This is truly a tragedy,excellent video.❤
@edwardh8853
@edwardh8853 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent retelling of a tragic accident. Have you thought about doing a video on the crash of Eastern Airlines flight 980 in Bolivia in January of 85?
@johnaquillo3397
@johnaquillo3397 Жыл бұрын
Great series, only just "found" them in the last week or so. Also a very interesting and quite unique (different) pronunciation of the letter R (as in Rozo etc)!!!
@tglake2894
@tglake2894 3 ай бұрын
I love that AA livery, I wish they hadn't changed it. Excellent video about this tragedy. I enjoy your presentation and the production of these videos!
@Dovietail
@Dovietail Жыл бұрын
If the question in a mountainous region is "where are we," the only answer is PULL UP NOW! What's the highest mountain for 500 miles in any direction? Cause we're by God going way higher than THAT until we figure this out!
@surreyboy84
@surreyboy84 2 жыл бұрын
Also seen Air Crash Investigation which featured this flight. Unbelievable how two experienced pilots cocked this up so badly. Just needed one of them to say stop & let’s think about this properly.
@visualfilms5120
@visualfilms5120 Жыл бұрын
It shouldn’t be unbelievable
@colecanfield776
@colecanfield776 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!!
@MsCellobass
@MsCellobass Жыл бұрын
I remember when this happened. I regularly go to Colombia about every 2 yrs. When this occurred, I was so angry that i went flying with Avianca. Now that Avianca service has gotten trashy, ive gone back to flying AA. Its nice to knw that as a result of this tragedy, some safety measures had been implemented to avoid this type of accident.
@mohammedisaa9952
@mohammedisaa9952 Жыл бұрын
Pity so many had to die so's that they were implemented, as though nobody had any common sence and so many people have to die for this to happen.... Pity this stupid "industry" hasn't the inteligence to "risk assess" these kind of problems and make them right and safe, and us the "cannon fodder" have to die before the industry makes it look as though something has been done..... Pathetic industry where we are used as crash test dummies, and participation is 1 grand a seat. DONT FLY IN A PLANE, GO BY BOAT OR ANY MODE OF TRANSPORT UNTIL THIS INDUSTRY CLEANS UP ITS ACT, FROM PLANE MANUFACTURER'S AND DESIGN, COMPANY POLICY'S, REMOVE RETARDED PILOTS, AND RETARDED REPAIR MEN AND COMPANY ETHOS ON REPAIRS.... THE WHOLE INDUSTRY IS INFESTWD WITH BEAN COUNTERS AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR LIVES..... PLEASE DONT GO INTO AN AEROPLANE, CHOOSE A DIFFERENT HOLIDAY AND SUPPORT YOUR OWN HOME COUNTRY.
@theHDRflightdeck
@theHDRflightdeck 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent report!
@pnmb1
@pnmb1 Жыл бұрын
Best aviation videos and believe me I watch them all!
@scofab
@scofab 2 жыл бұрын
Well done, thanks again.
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