The industry should start to make a standardized mount

Surprising that ZF, the best gear company in the world, didnt come out with an integrated gear system like the Pinion

Please do a follow-up covering: 1. Noise under load comparison vs Bosch 2. How natural it feels in a dynamic-assistance mode (both on rough/rooty terrain and also on very technical terrain where overrun kicks in) 3. Range comparison 4. Resistance with the system turned off As an owner of a bike with a Bosch Performance CX motor, I never use Turbo mode and use EMTB mode instead as I prefer a natural-feeling system with progressive assistance. Your demos showing the bike kicking forward are a negative that I want to avoid on the trails so hopefully they have something similar to Bosch EMTB mode.

Since ZF is a company that makes high performance automotive transmissions, I'm surprised they didn't go with an integrated gearbox unit. They would of had an upper hand on the Pinion MGU.

EMTB are heading in an amazing direction

ZF, it looks like a ground breaking product! Would you please bring an integrated gear motor as well?

I have a 6-speed ZF automatic transmission in my 2007 3-liter 6 cyllinder diesel BMW, it's currently at 280.000 miles. Good stuff

Outstanding work. And can you imagine how good their motor gearbox unit would be? The pace of development is just incredible.

Nice one Rob, best ZF motor review I've seen over the past few days. Exciting times ahead

I like Rob's soundtrack choices for an intro

Rob, you have become Mr EMTB. Great review.

As interesting as the current and new motor technology is, the one aspect that is never mentioned about ebike motors is the mechanical drag over the assistance cut off. It would be great if this was mentioned in the reviews as well as the other aspects of the motor system!

If I were Bosch, Shimano, Spesh etc I would be VERY worried! Life time warranty is a massive on its own.

Nothing that’s come out over the past two years has looked like next gen ebike tech…until now! This is the motor I’ve been waiting for! Please please tell them to make the controls minimal! They’ve got a killer product but it looks like a massive controller on the bars!

Dude you are freaking me out dropping all this new tech, keep it coming!

as someone who drove sportscars for 20 years I hope to be able to buy this motor system and continue enjoying ZF parts in a different hobby hopefully not only available on 10'000 bikes >

How is the motor resistance after you reach the cut-off limit? That was one of the worst things about the early Shimano motors.

Ebike industry needs to standardise battery and motor integration. Not every frame is proprietary design

Wow, to lift up the front wheel like that without even trying anything, I think this 90nm motor is actually more powerful than 120nm ones.

That's pretty incredible. And I thought the DJI motor was innovative!

Way better than all the other videos from german guys! Really useful information, thx!

Really good approach to the motor design and the way it mounts. You can swop the motor out for a newer model if they stick with the same dimensions!

Now just put a gearbox and belt drive on it!

This bike made by „old haibike“ CEOs, who selled haibike and create raymon bikes… zf is in the same town in germany, in Schweinfurt… i Worked at 2017 at this motorsystem at zf in schweinfurt 😊

Their batteries are kind of heavy and outdated though, the 756wh one has a weight of 4,2kg. The one of dji has 800Wh and weighs 3,7kg

Nice and tight looking motor. What about the controllers? they look err chunky is that a prototype or the final? They seem to also have a similar approach to DJI with the brake disc ring style speed sensor.

Hey Mr ZF please please bring out a combined motor gearbox unit

Well that Was enough for me to stop thinking about replacing my 2 year old Orbea Rise with a newer Fazua system. I love the look of this motor. I’ll wait a season or two now to see how this pans out on new bikes.

That motor looks tight very promising

I have a 10 year old BMW 530d with 150,000 miles auto ZF gearbox using similar engineering to this new motor...big auto manufacturer with this much knowledge and background engineering will transform ebike technology and it will work and be reliable like my car 💪🤛

With all the different motors coming out it’s going to become a nightmare for frame makers. The bike industry needs to decide on some set of standards, otherwise it’s going to be too expensive to make a new frame for each motor every year, and bikes will be impossible to keep going when the manufacturers get bored of making their old designs, and this will affect the second hand market. Bike lemons everywhere in 4 years

Great video, show us some wheelies!

Amazing. A step up from TQ.

Motor itself is phenomenal in terms of technology, durability, design. What i see is tha the implementation of the associated batteries ad commands, compared to what dji have presented, needs a lot of implementation

ONGosh!😮 Amazing thought & innovation baked into this system! I googled strain wave gear and got educated on it. Brilliant!👌1950’s tech fueling modern innovation!

bikes adapting this motor, will be looking slick af

No doubt this is the better engineered motor compared to the DJI, ZF make some of the best automotive gearboxes at huge scale, this will be over engineered and bullet proof, amazing tech.

Oh wow, this years eurobike is crazy. My wallet already starts screaming

Like someone said already whats the deal with the down tube then apart from giving room in the triange for suspension etc? you may as well have a traditional shape motor there still

my second gen Bosch is still kicking strong after all those years, but thos new products launches from so many different brands are making it look ancient..

Good grief, so awesome. Who's on tap for wowing us with a new motor tomorrow? I'm going to start giving my EP801 some serious side-eye.

Looks awesome. I’m surprised there’s no bolt holes though, just a cradle? Is it friction fit or some notches that hold it in place? Seems like an odd choice. What if some grit gets in there and starts squeaking?

I can't wait to see what people do with this, imagine a go kart with two of these motors or even a quad motor atv,🤯🤯🤯

such a nice tech!

Lifetime warranty on the motor. That's a win for the consumer.

They made motor very compact to acomodate gearbox in parallel shaft soon. For sure they will have a MGU

KELLYS THEOS F100 with ep801 and 825wh battery is 20.6kg already. This might be their pic for future as it might save some space.

Replaceable seals and a moisture ingress detector would be a useful addition to any new motor.

Completely amazing

i come from a motorbike background and i have said it for years ZF no there shit this in my eyes is more impressive than the dji new release motor

living in hills im still anti electric MTB but watching actors like ZF coming into the market with such approaches makes me think about it again tbh, just hope for the bike market prices to stabilize and get in a reasonable specter rather than getting as expensive as motorcycles or cars

Which one would you like to get your hands on first to test...the ZF or the DGI?

If ZF are getting into eBikes can they not replace the sodding cassette and derailleur?! Come on get a mini torque converter in there somewhere too!

that cool, they should have bring a gearbox for emtbs as well with their know how

Very nice - it won't be cheap though

This is by far the best looking motor visually

amazing I want one for my Creo. What average power can it run at?

A PADRÃO DO MOTOR DE ARRANQUE DO CARRO ADAPTADO PRA BICICLETA... MUITO CRIATIVO. SHOW LIKE. 🙏🏼🇧🇷🙏🏼 🇧🇷👍🇧🇷

Is super awesome motor that’s that we are eating for in ebike for long time minimalist and powerful motor I am in USA but I don’t care travel to Europe to buy this bike

ZF good stuff

I just hope major brands are getting in... I am really tired of bosch and shimano motored bikes eventhough there are already lot of alternatives out there. How come only a hand full of mtbs are using the pinion MGU?

Looks like a high powered TQ motor, and definitely appears to be a generational leap in power to weight/size mid-drive motors! We just need batteriy tech to also make a generational leap to improve the range per Wh.

Neat!

Given the diminutive size, it looks like it should be a possible retrofit to other ebikes. Aside from battery/electronics, the motor mount should just require laser cut plates, a clamp, bashguard and 3d printed shroud. Will ZF go for that?

Every time I think about getting a new bike, I gotta push the wait a while button in my brain......they better do a class 3

Please show all exciting motors weight, power, torque, and approximate price in comparison when reviewing new motors. Lots of new stuff hitting the market but can’t evaluate without a baseline.

I wonder is this mounting design they came with is or will be reliable enough in long term and easy to make for frame manufacturers?

E-bike motor evolution is pretty crazy, how long before Shimano & Bosch start using the strain wave type of motor, my e-bike experience is minimal but the nicest ride was a TQ Trek

i want one

It looks like ZF could easily make a hub motor out of that unit as well. The motor is quiet so you will hear the noise coming from the derailleur system better. 😁

This is even better than dji, all this stuff makes current ebikes obsolete

@Rob not sure you can say that this is the first ZF's emtb motor since ZF owns Sachs and the Sachs RS was released some time ago.

The design seems very similar to the TQ motor with strain wave gear system. This has a lot more torque

Ah, the good old chain snapper mode

Hi Rob, have you any idea when these will be available to market?

is it me or could I see chains being destroyed by that motor lol.

Looks awesome! I like that it is quite stealthy as well. It is a shame that the MTB snobs in the US are so against E-bikes. You can't legally ride them on 95% of the trails here.

When can we start seeing in in bikes?

I wonder what is the Q-Factor for this motor (ie the width)? Important if we want to see it in road bikes with standard BB Width. A comparison of its size with the TQ HRP50 motor would be nice

Man I’m glad I waited to get an ebike because there are some great new setups coming soon!

DJI just got into the room: Hi

So many new motors and we still are waiting for current brands' new models like Porsche itself that bought Fazua.

Hoping this makes it possible to make smaller eMTBs, especially for people who need bikes that are truly XS, with appropriate stand-over.

One question remains: What does the thing sound like and how loud is it?

Did they say what the waterproofing rating was, if I was Bosch, Shimano or specialised/brose I would treat this as a huge wake up call 😮🤯

Was waiting on someone making a harmonic or strainwave motor, used for robotic arms. Disapointed they didnt incorporate gearing they missed a step there, this should have been done 10 years ago at least.. im a mech tech and a big shout out goes to Alan Millyard who at least enclosed his gearing sys in an oil bath yonks ago.

No sound from the motor mentioned or shown. Is it silent or does it sound like a washing machine on a rinse cycle ?

Well not exactly their first as they did have the Sachs/BMz in their micro mobility section when it first was introduced ., it has since been sold to BMZ which supplies the batteries for Brose and the former Sachs . i m wondering where ZF gets their batteries from and where exactly is their new motor built/assembled .

can this engine be bought and connected to most bikes? if so, where can one buy this in Europe, Scandinavia? do you have any discount codes for this? thanks for getting back!

looks very wide, what is the Q-factor? What I really want to see are more Pinion MGU competitors. I think that is the future a motor mounted gear box and not the current derailleur setup.

How does it compare to the TQ motor?

We need motora that comes with aux switches to connect lights t type tranamision or anything else

48 V is awesome hopefully you can use any 48 volt battery.

That bike looks super similar to Transition's design pattern. Copy or partnership?

It's a very cool system, but what is the warranty and will it be repairable. That's the information that really can't be missed off if these videos in my opinion Rob.

I run a 6 speed zf6hp in my 1200hp falcon

GEARBOX GEARBOX GEARBOX! Come on ZF!!! :D

ZF makes Porsche PDK

Now next step would be to get rid of the Derailleur and instead put the transmission with clutch and freewheel into the motor unit. This way the transmission would be better protected, you could use a belt instead of a cain and maybe that way they could add regenerativ breaking, too

the controller is not embeded into the motor right?