I'm 193 lbs and a 77 or 75 is my sweet spot..I do have a stick with more flex and it is unbearably flexy and I can not use it

@@jessebremner5209same 195 78-80 flex I cut down my ccm a few inches it’s fine and works for me

You’re completely right I’m 250 and was using a 130 flex true pro stock stick and after about 2 years the flex had weakened to the point it’s snapped on a wrist shot a lot of people think that 130 was crazy but I stg if I used anything under 100 it would be snapped within 2 months

This guy gets it 👍🏻

I just purchased one and I’m around 150 5’5 do u guys think a 65 flex was a good choice

Any chance you used to use Easton? I don't think they calculated it the same to everybody else. I've always found Easton 100 felt the same as Bauer 85.

Yeah this is crazy to see for me. I too left the game for about 10yrs after graduating highschool, and am just getting back into it now with my old 100flex stick. Every guy back then was using a 100 like it was a dick swinging contest. Now it's refreshing to see guys actually thinking things through and considering what that means, and realizing they would be better off with the lower flex sticks. I need to get a 65 or 75.

Reading our minds! That’s the next video. Just trying to decide on the brand to use

I would be curious to see meraki. They are based out of Shakopee, mn. I was referred to them by a coworker whose teenage daughter goes to Breakaway Academy. My son has been using a youth hat trick 20 flex p92 blade. He is 65 lbs and easily has the hardest shot and puck control of anyone in his group 2nd grade 3rd year mites. An I would say as hard as anyone in the grade above him. I saw a big difference when I got him this stick, but his previous one was a 15$ sherwood youth stick. Yhis one was $80, and they have youth $80 junior $90 intermediate $110 and senior$120. I would be very curious to see how a 110 or 120 dollar stick would compare to some of the name brand $300+ sticks. I would assume there would be a slight faloff but last year I found a $40 piscifun serpent fishing rod I prefer to My $140 st croix, sometimes more expensive isn't any better. I plan to pick up a new stick next time I'm in Shakopee. I just help coach and play pickup games with my son and his friends so I'm definitely just a recreational player not looking to break the bank and want to replace my 25 year old wooden sticks but I think these may actually perform close to a stick almost 3 times the price. Anyways thanks for your videos as a dad who didn't play organized hockey trying to become more informed and a better coach i find your videos useful and entertaining. .

@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Take the top and bottom models of Bauer, Warrior, and CCM. You could even reach out to the companies and see if they'll give you a tour(virtual) of their stick testing department. Take the human error part out of the equation.

I'm 6ft3 and was about to buy a 95 flex just because of the length of the stick. I will extend my current 85 flex CCM Ribcor instead.

I agree, I used a 65 flex at 6’ in u18 and just started using one again yesterday after three years and the release feels great

Alright I'm like 145, so I gotta go down to 65 like when I was in middle school haha. This is going to be crazy

Same.

Sorry. The pros and manufacturers who say that are wrong. They only say it, because that advice has just become the traditional advice that's given. However "half your weight" is not a correct measure or starting point for determining what flex stick you should use. In both our cases (same height and weight) ... for one, they don't even make a 122 flex stick that's commercially available. For another, you ended up settling on a 95 (38% if our weight), where I play with a 70 flex (28% of our weight). It's less about body weight, and more about body strength, position (centers should absolutely use a stiffer flex), and style you play. I play wing, in close to the net taking wristers where I benefit from a lower flex. When I play center, I do switch to a stiffer flex stick. Also, cutting the stick doesn't make it stiffer. This is just another misleading oversimplification that has been hoisted upon us. Cutting a stick down just changes your ability to impart leverage on it. But, a cut down 95 flex stick is still has a 95 flex shaft.

@@mhicaoidh1 Just to clarify, yes, cutting the stick down DOES make it stiffer. Why? Because of how stick flex is measured. Bauer even shows you what the flex is at various points to cut it down. Remember, stick flex is measured by suspending the stick at the 2 ends, and then the amount of weight it takes to generate 1" of deflection in the middle of the shaft. So by shortening the shaft, you have to add more weight to get that same 1". So yes, it does make it stiffer. But you're right that strength has a lot to do with it. That's the funny thing. I watched my sons peewee team. Most of the kids on that team were using 40 and even 50 flex sticks. My son is the oldest (not the tallest) but was still using a 30 flex, and had the hardest (and most accurate) shot on his team. Now he's using a 40 flex as he grew too tall by the end of the season that the 30 was too short but I digress.

@@Milehighsnake98 unfortunately you're incorrect. Stick flex is measured when the shaft is 60" long. So, technically, a stick that isn't 60" is outside of the standard for flex measurement. Bauer puts those numbers on there to represent the "perceived flex" if you cut it down. The material of the stick does not change. The material of the stick does not get stiffer when you cut it down. Consider that for a moment. What changes is your ability to impart force (leverage) on the stick. So, it "feels" stiffer to you ... but it isn't. You just are able to as efficiently impart force on it. Additionally, for example, when you buy a stick with a 63" shaft, that says it is 80 flex (stamped right on the shaft). That 80 flex refers to a measurement taken at the 60" length ... not the 63" length. So, there are two reasons why the flex doesn't change: 1) The physical properties of the stick material are not altered by it being cut down. The material will still flex at the same rate because that is what it is designed to do. 2) Flex can only be measured, and have any validity for comparison's sake, when measured at 60". This is the standard the industry settled on. So, all stick flex will be measured with a 60" shaft. So, if you take my 87 flex Bauer stick that is 60" and cut and 2" off of it. According to the "mark" it will then be a 96 flex stick. It's just not. It might "feel" stiffer (for the reasons stated about) but the material that makes up that stick is still 87 flex material.

Weight for sure isn't an accurate indcator of exactly what flex to use, but its probably the best the manufacturers can do. There is no set measurement people would know for overall strength or how a person shoots the puck. I find your shot style, or how far you apart you place your hands for various shots does impact the flex selection that works best for you.

I'm 165lbs 5'11 and came down from 85 to 77 and now 62 I shoot way better now. Bauer recommends 85 for me.

I woke at a hockey store, and I usually say start with half your body weight then go down one flex point from that. So if they're 130lbs I usually try to get a 55 flex in their hands

It’s the most accurate you can do for guidelines when it’s all based on personal preference and other variables. It’s really annoying as a newer player though

@@AlanenJ I'm 5'10 I use longer intermediate sticks from bauer and ccm for years....by the time u cut down a senior it's too stiff

We'll continue to play with flex videos until you guys stop enjoying them lol. Thanks for the kind words tho. more videos to come.

Glad we could help.

Weight matters + strength matters, but even in nhl flex has come down all around. Lower flex is the best way to go. Beer leaguers with 90+ flex are just silly unless you are over 200 pounds and keep snapping your twig

@@v91maximus91v I agree, especially if you’re a beginner. I’m an experienced player and have played at a very high level so I know what’s best for me. However, I always recommend a lower flex if someone feels like their shot has room for improvement.

If you go on a pro resale site or something like sidelineswap you'll have no problem finding those higher flex sticks

Spotted! Tommy didn't like True skates but since that comment.. A lot has changed! We have True skates videos coming soon. Very soon

So a video on the different lies across the major brands ? Like comparing them to each other ? Or just looking at lie in general and how it affects performance ?

Yes the dif lies across dif brands/ curves. For example, ive read that w88 4 lie is the same lie as bauers p88 6 lie… so it is not always apples to Apples across brands/sticks/curves So if i was wanting a comparable stick to try in a lie 4 w88 Wat sticks in ccm or bauer hav the same lie for example thanks!

The one thing that sucks about using intermediate sticks is I hate the skinnier shaft, but even 70 flex Bauer/CCM sticks are wayyy too tall for a short king 👑 If I cut down a 70 flex Bauer to where I like them height-wise, it becomes almost 90 flex FML

This is my struggle at 5'9". I don't cut the intermediate but I don't like the thin shaft either. I've switched to 70 flex but only cut 1 inch

this was my struggle too, but I got used to INT stick and the wrist shots are amazing now.

@@Vanilla_Rice there is no difference between intermediate shafts and senior shafts

It's featured in the next stick video. but we aren't doing a solo review on anything warrior right now.

Shaft size too pretty sure, like for smaller hands

Yep. I don't know how my team mates shoot with the 85+ except for the really big guys. I use 65-75 myself

@@idkau yep. I am currently playing with a 77, but have ordered some custom sticks that will be 70 flex. This is partly due to the aftermath of a torn rotator cuff.

I def don't bench much at all...but at 6'2 160 lbs using a 75 flex cut down a bit became out of control...as you said slapshots were flying way too high...an 85 is the right flex for me....then again I got used to a 100 flex not knowing what the number meant from a while back lol.

@@KP-dd2ci haha yeah you probably got used to "muscling up" on that 100 flex. I used to play with a 110 flex Easton Synergy before I really understood how it worked too.

Once they allow non vax people in, we'll be back.

But i am really enjoyong this series you guys have put together! They have been very informative. Definately my fav hockey channel!

Don't worry, Tommy can handle it ! Thanks for the suggestion.

But I also don’t use the same curve as they do so that could be the issue

Maybe as a reel or short.

You get used to it in a week or so.

Weight doesn't matter. Height matters when it comes to leverage, but with changes in height come changes in stick length, which changes leverage ... which changes perceived flex. Upper body strength is really what matters when it comes to choosing flex. For example, if you have a 75 flex stick, and cut three inches off, most will say "it's not more like an 85 flex stick" ... but it's still a 75 flex stick really. You just have less leverage on a shorter stick, and therefore it will feel harder to flex (perceived flex).

its coming!

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thnks for the reply!!!🎉🎉🎉

Easy. So we can do another video 😂. All coming soon bud