Canelo Alvarez is the first boxer to be scrutinized on the brand new 'How good was he actually?' series
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@AwestruckOffRoadingHertz2 жыл бұрын
Listening to Mayweather complain about other boxers cherry picking fights is rich
@gauismaximus5952 жыл бұрын
Canelo didn’t fight Pacquioa even though they could have throughout the 2010s at 150 and. Canelo would have been the naturally bigger guy
@i21c0g2 жыл бұрын
@@gauismaximus595 Canelo and Pacquiao didn’t fight in the same division.
@h.d.52882 жыл бұрын
Some ppl don’t have a clue about the weight divisions or existence of secondary titles.
@VannrithSourisVa2 жыл бұрын
@@gauismaximus595 bruhh then I'll complain that Canelo didn't fight Fury
@gauismaximus5952 жыл бұрын
@@VannrithSourisVa Canelo could have fought before leaving 154
@robertgarland50122 жыл бұрын
This was a great watch. As a Canelo fan I feel this is a pretty balanced view of his abilities. You're absolutely right about Canelo being the last of a dying breed. We're into the era of the social media boxers now...
@achillesfearless17962 жыл бұрын
that sux
@uncleblunts52 жыл бұрын
Yep. Ryan Garcia rubs me the wrong way. I think the sooner fighters like him lose, the better.
@therealdrhankmccoy50472 жыл бұрын
Last of a dying breed? He fights bums for email belts lol
@hughmungus12352 жыл бұрын
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 have a day off mate, unified in 3 different weights..
@therealdrhankmccoy50472 жыл бұрын
@@hughmungus1235 you beta fangirls do realize your Mexican PED using hero Canelaroid fought bums for thise email belts though? You do realize that right? Who has he beaten that has a better resume than Manny Pacquiao? People remember names not email belts. Floyd is still better Keep crying beta fangirls
@kimcousins11252 жыл бұрын
Canelo has been lucky with a few decisions but you just can't take away from the fact that He is fast, he hits hard, he has a wonderful range of punches, his body shots are awesome, and he can take a punch. One of the most exciting boxers ever.
@sizzlechestmcmurphy43652 жыл бұрын
Canelo is a great, high quality fighter. He didn't win the first fight versus Golovkin.
@juniorom752 жыл бұрын
Yes, he kind of reminds me of Oscar de la Hoya, don't get me wrong, but I didn't like Oscar too much, I know he defeated some good Mexican boxers, and I mean good ones, including Julio Cesar Chavez, but I think Canelo would beat De la Hoya if they were fighting around the same time
@BeanstaIkk2 жыл бұрын
@@sizzlechestmcmurphy4365 weird because I swear he won that fight... Delusion I guess
@aszul77502 жыл бұрын
@@BeanstaIkk Its ok to understand Canelo got some judge advantages with Lara and the first GGG. No shame. He will still have the better overall career
@JG_VZA2 жыл бұрын
@@sizzlechestmcmurphy4365 Depends on who you ask. It’s easy to look at the fight overall and say GGG outperformed Canelo. But boxing isn’t scored overall is it? It’s scored per round. It’s not 1 fight. It’s 12 individual fights. And when you separate each round into it’s own instance, it’s much easier to argue a win for Canelo. In a similar fashion, you could argue GGG won too. It could’ve gone either way. But to say GGG got robbed is complete bull shit. You won’t catch any true boxing fan saying some dumb shit like that.
@M.O.R.T3602 жыл бұрын
I think canelo expected his punches to have more of an effect on bivol, he wasted a lot of them hitting the wrong places, got gassed and frustrated but the better man won that night, still doesn’t take away from Canelos legacy, all ATGs have losses and some even avenged them (ala Lennox Lewis) hopefully Canelo will come back stronger and even better then he was already. Respect to both champs!
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
A good big man will beat a good little man. It was ever thus
@benthekeeshond545 Жыл бұрын
Canelo doesn't want to fight Dmitry again. If he does, he would have a rematch against Bivol after losing their last encounter.
@nananyantakyi1549 Жыл бұрын
Just like how the better man won when he fought Floyd
@predwards89412 жыл бұрын
Guy has done nothing but keep getting better year after year. Dude is a machine
@luisudiaz42312 жыл бұрын
Yea but against who ? Lost to GGG LOST TO LARA AND FLOID TAKE CANELO TO SCHOOL
@ayisyencomice79882 жыл бұрын
smfh........ Your only as good as the competition you are fighting........... Last 5 fights..... Nowhere near Elite ! You might of said that to get attention tho, I get it..!!
@chingus46342 жыл бұрын
@@luisudiaz4231 Then how about now? Caleno wasn't as good before as he is now, Floyd Mayweather Laura and GGG would go to sleep now since he gets better every time
@joe43982 жыл бұрын
@@ayisyencomice7988 canelos las 5 have been Wayyyy better than anybodies las 5 in boxing currently tell me somebody with a better 5???
@erencaballero15132 жыл бұрын
@@luisudiaz4231 you sound stupid ggg lost to canelo
@bobbydigital82432 жыл бұрын
I was never a canelo fan but the man has done enough to earn my respect
@frankaguilera20712 жыл бұрын
Dear Bobby Analog...???
@georgemyers95502 жыл бұрын
How many times was rza going to say digital or the word Bobby in his music. His beats were dope but his lyrics lacked on some tracks of his solo albums.
@J4L1SC02 жыл бұрын
What an accomplishment
@marcuschaidez54832 жыл бұрын
i’m sure he’s very happy that he earned ur respect🙌
@somebody87012 жыл бұрын
I'm sure your respect is worth a lot
@jonbase60042 жыл бұрын
Me being from Puerto Rico i always enjoyed the rivalries in boxing we have had with Mexico and Canelo is the real deal. Definitely a throwback fighter that we probably won't ever see again. Instead of hating on him like all these wannabe boxing analysts that we got on U-Tube, appreciate it cause ain't no fighter including the retired Floyd puts it in on the regular, not fighting just once a year but 4 to 5 times a year. To me thats a legend in the making.
@jessedukelacrosse64702 жыл бұрын
When was the last time time he fought 4 or 5 times times in a year? Only up and coming fighters do that , you talking about a 147 lb or 154 lb canelo? Lol
@flathead79222 жыл бұрын
Bien dicho mi hermano..
@elijahhernandez2212 жыл бұрын
@@jessedukelacrosse6470 canelo fought 4 times in 11 months in that time he undisputed the smw division
@jonbase60042 жыл бұрын
@@jessedukelacrosse6470 I bet you this, he fights more than anybody you root for
@ericchavez24902 жыл бұрын
True that's why Mayweather fans don't like him
@dan.m.86142 жыл бұрын
The most shocking paart about him is his ability to adapt, overcome and win against every single style you throw at him: He has beat power punchers, slick defensive fighters, people who rely on jabs, bigger and smaller opponents, slower and faster oponents, leftys, and the fact that he can always come up with a plan and no matter their style and attributes, beat them. That is something you gotta recognize.
@juanmanuelportillo92932 жыл бұрын
True, and part of that is having a great trainer like Eddie Reynoso in his corner.
@Ikaisu.2 жыл бұрын
Well he’s seems to have hit a wall with bivol
@rigo5956 Жыл бұрын
@@Ikaisu. Boy fighting triple g talking bout he couldn't do that bivol tho I swear bro
@stephane_edouard2 жыл бұрын
The amount of work put into editing is sick
@viesurnous2 жыл бұрын
Videoscopie?
@ArtZapzzTen2 жыл бұрын
Jure tu regardes aussi ?
@Dustinho272 жыл бұрын
Seriously I’m just getting into it and it’s hard af
@applesauce99822 жыл бұрын
yeah this is really well put together and hearing a Boards of Canada track snuck in was not something I was expecting.
@SILMANTV2 жыл бұрын
For almost 10 years now
@Nabooru9562 жыл бұрын
Man. Im so glad someone is finally bringing this up. This new attitude that casual boxing fans have is irritating to high hell. Im so sick of people calling fighters "taxi drivers" from the comfort of their computer chairs.
@sharafbalboa34602 жыл бұрын
tbh I dont think all the Jake Paul circus stuff helps either in that regard. Now that the guy knocked out a professional champ and brought in a lot of casuals, I assume
@micalzoncillo2492 жыл бұрын
@@sharafbalboa3460 he knocked out an mma champion, everyone knows he would get smoked by a pro boxer. if any, it only looks bad on mma.
@micalzoncillo2492 жыл бұрын
@@sharafbalboa3460 also, casuals is what boxing desperately needs. you make fans out of casuals
@sharafbalboa34602 жыл бұрын
@@micalzoncillo249 Most Casual Fans dont know that like we do, I assume. Youre 100% right though about needing more casual fans for growing the sport
@jessedukelacrosse64702 жыл бұрын
Casuals make boxing more entertaining, we have to teach them about previous greats who did it better , hopefully they will be fans forever and not disappear when their favorite fighters retire
@FernandoLopez-cl5nx2 жыл бұрын
Hard work and training is what made Canelo great and still will continue to make history in the sport of boxing.
@anthonyeskins7912 жыл бұрын
The issue I have is, 80% of pro boxers are using something. Yet on Canelo gets mentioned. Also he beat the top fighters he could at the time. There was no ducking.
@bigmac512902 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of athletes in the peak of their respective fields are using something, it's everywhere.
@jerrygomez38252 жыл бұрын
Yup. And it's been going on for a while now. I can't even blame them. As long as it doesn't hurt them, it's their life and there's lots of money involved
@indeeeed2 жыл бұрын
@@jerrygomez3825 their body is their product so makes sense
@viperstrike02 жыл бұрын
As a Mexican boxing fan i thought he was a hype job for the longest time but at one point u have to give him credit for improving almost every fight. At one point you have to admit, even if they media hyped him he grew in to truly one of the great boxers of our time.
@strafer87642 жыл бұрын
As a non Mexican it doesn’t matter that I’m a non Mexican.
@viperstrike02 жыл бұрын
@@strafer8764 I just thought it was an important perspective considering Mexican fans tend to get a rep for being blinded by Mexican boxers. You don't have to take it personally.
@apache70742 жыл бұрын
@@strafer8764 … We say “Mexican” becuz we take pride in our roots, culture etc, I don’t think it’s meant racially…
@boxcarchildrent.v.84772 жыл бұрын
@@strafer8764 and we will replace you. Now go grab your tiki torch
@strafer87642 жыл бұрын
just have your escort girlfriend make me some enchiladas first.
@DiamondKingsMusic2 жыл бұрын
It is tough to call one guy the greatest outside of eras and weight classes, especially with so many great Mexican boxers in history. Chavez, Sanchez, Finito, Canelo, all amazing fighters. Marquez Barrera Morales and others as well.
@micklestapler42 жыл бұрын
Preach brother
@freddiesandoval50472 жыл бұрын
All the OTHER Mexican boxers DIDN'T DO WHAT CANELO HAS ACCOMPLISHED..SO NOT TOUGH..CHAVEZ FOUGHT MANY GUYS WHO HAD MORE LOSSES THAN WINS""AND MANY ONLY HAD 16 FIGHTS WITH 9 LOSSES..I KNOW .I WAS A FAN AND SEEN ALL HIS FIGHTS.BUT NO ONE WIL TALK ABOUT THAT..I AM NOT BIAS,SO WILL BRING THAT UP
@gerardorockerman692 жыл бұрын
@@freddiesandoval5047 looks like you didn't see his last fights hah
@joahanramirez58112 жыл бұрын
@@freddiesandoval5047 the only thing those legendary Mexican boxers have over Canelo is that they fought multiple brutal fights with blood on the canvas. I love all my Mexican fighters, players, and people. We breed warriors and have the culture of warriors.
@shidoru2 жыл бұрын
@@joahanramirez5811 True to that, but the thing is I don't enjoy that type of fighting, I like more the sweet science of boxing, hit and not get hit which is an unpopular opinion, many people like bloody battles which is more the mexican style. But to each their own
@juanpablosanchezaveleyra64542 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention that the concentration of chlembuterol on canelo was .7, and the current concentration for PED use is above 5, which confirms the case of contaminated meat, wada even put a minimum concentration level, which previously didn't have, they just tested any concentration as possitive. edit. I changed the concentrations since apparently I did not remembered them correctly, but that does not change the fact that it was below the threshold.
@henry.g.90932 жыл бұрын
And the hair follicle test cleared Canelo.
@usparatrooper86902 жыл бұрын
Great piont
@demanso12 жыл бұрын
I’ve been to Mexico and everything is contaminated out there. There’s a reason people say don’t drink the water
@juanpablosanchezaveleyra64542 жыл бұрын
@@demanso1 well, not everything, we do have certified meat and clean water, but yes, it's weird for us that people in other countries drink from the valves.
@ZaC875802 жыл бұрын
Did you guys know 99% of canelo haters are unemployed and have a 400 credit score
@BigMujK2 жыл бұрын
As a young casual I didn’t rate Canelo, but he’s proved himself as pound for pound and his boxing ability and IQ is super underrated
@Bassin_Assassin2 жыл бұрын
Frs this IQ rating already sucking I get we can’t all score everyone high when they’re so many special boxers that have unique abilities.
@stevemac67072 жыл бұрын
As others have mentioned, your production, editing & narration are all top notch. Whether people agree with your opinions or not, for someone like myself who has no feelings either way on the matters brought up, you did enough to convince me that everything you said was based on fact or when that was not possible, your reasons for your conclusions. I think too many so called 'professional boxing pundits' would be hard pressed to back up their statements with anything other than their basic prejudice towards them. You admit to your prejudices & then go on to explain why despite them, you still come to the conclusions you reach. It's pretty easy to come to a choice between your opinion and those journalists/pundits in deciding what to believe & you win hands down.
@Jessica-cw1dn2 жыл бұрын
I have to say not bad on the negative listed on Canelo's history compared to all the others who's list goes endless . I think Mayweather would win them all 🤭
@ciaranfox29252 жыл бұрын
He is a fantastic fighter, not many with balls like him around atm
@josiasbernal94652 жыл бұрын
😂
@quaisonmoseley2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@er71982 жыл бұрын
Fax, if only there were more boxers with nuts like canelo.
@jesseibarra64372 жыл бұрын
😂😅whaaaaaaaaat howwww this nigga don't fight anyone
@Kevin-qq9dd2 жыл бұрын
@@jesseibarra6437 who else fought as much as canelo 2021? Who else unified a division? He beat champions wym nobody? 😂😂
@codylewellyn17162 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video. I check weekly for new vids. Looking forward
@RealBoxingKings2 жыл бұрын
Those closing thoughts almost brought me to tears because it’s so true…
@TheShaneBradbury2 жыл бұрын
Such a great video. I don't understand the hate Canelo gets either, fighting 4x a year is unheard of these days.
@apache70742 жыл бұрын
The hate is not (IMO) about Canelo.IT’S ABOUT THE HATERS FEELING inferior, jealous, insecure, bitter, envious, angry and all the other negative adjectives they carry around until they can find somebody to dump on…
@flashback45882 жыл бұрын
Reasons people hate Canelo PEDS Rehydration clauses Catchweights Weight bulling His fanboys Gift decisions (not his fault but people hate the corruption in boxing and see Canelo as a personification of that corruption) Mexicans haven't forgiven Canelo for giving up his belt to GGG without a fight, that is unacceptable in mx boxing culture according to them Lastly some people are just plain haters lol This is just based on what i learned from talking to the haters, im a former hater for some of the reasons stated above but i can overlook all Canelo's bs for what he's been doing recently and im a new fan
@therealdrhankmccoy50472 жыл бұрын
He's fighting bums like Yildrim and MacBuukk for email belts. Not unheard of to fight bums. Floyd is still the best. Floyd beat up actual hall of famers like Manny Pacquiao and also completely smashed Canelaroids head in. Floyd also never tested positive for PEDS unlike Canelaroid. Floyd is TBE
@benjaminwelkens81182 жыл бұрын
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 that doesn't stop canelo from being an all time great tho
@secredeath2 жыл бұрын
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 Floyd ducked winky Wright what are you talking about go watch him struggle against jake paul hahahh thats a cherry pick gone wrong 😂😂
@blaisehanon2 жыл бұрын
Enjoy Canelo while you can, he's one of kind,pfp pure talent. All the naysayers konw 0 about boxing ,he has it all,power,defense,chin,distance control,ring IQ,counters,timing,combiantions,angle change,body work, ... Once in a generation fighter
@GuinessOriginal2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the juice, refs, judges and boxing commissions. Let me know when he beats multiple champions in their own back yards like usyk or lomanchenko
@blaisehanon2 жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal he fought all the best ,check his record einstein...
@ericnights64062 жыл бұрын
Well said💪💪
@benjaminwelkens81182 жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal the US is not his backyard. And he's beaten American boxers in America so..
@alp19012 жыл бұрын
@@GuinessOriginal lomachenko bro? And he beats every American fighter in amerca
@RN_BSN_PHN2 жыл бұрын
Canelo isn't a dying breed. It is possible for talented fighters to unify titles. Its just that the present Corporate sector managing boxing has contractually tied up boxing. So Boxers cannot Unify Titles and monopolize a lions share of profit margins like the past and upset TMT lol.. Canelo outsmarted them (as a private agent) and has an outstanding commodity not even mentioned on this video. His efficiency, as a Fighter. This is a quality few other Fighters in America expand upon. Efficiency is the ability to pursue an offensive plan at any given moment and deviate due to a split second unforseen circumstance. Where a modified angle, different punch, by a different hand, thrown in a different direction, at a different target exposes itself. Which presents a new opportunity to seize upon because it also demands less energy with a greater maximal impact for harm. Canelo is a Master at efficiency when moving forward. I've seen it, understood it, and been a student of the ring to know. After 48 fights, I can see its impact. Canelo is the best pound for pound fighter in the world at the moment. No doubt about it..
@johntaylor-lo8qx2 жыл бұрын
This is a really gr8 channel you have here. I'm happy to be on board. Please keep up your objective reporting. This is gr8 !!!! Much respect 🙏.
@GabrielRodriguez-wh5ce2 жыл бұрын
I like how objective this is, canelo IS guilty of some things, but his greatness can't be denied. Also fighting is a corrupt business so examples are always gonna be there but the most popular fighters come under more scrutiny.
@californio18502 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the fact that he tries to offer balance with certain criticisms like moving up to cruiserweight (which any other fighter would be praised for) but there are still times when he blanketly throws out criticism without balance. For instance he points out Canelo's positive result but doesn't mention that the trace levels were in fact consistent with contamination and his hair follicle test came back negative. The whole situation wouldn't even be a violation by WADA today which acknowledged they were wrong for not having a threshold for contamination and have since changed their policy. Also Canelo is one of handful of fighters in the sport consistently doing random blood testing when many other top guys aren't doing it at all. And during his claims of weight bullying he suggested that Josesito Lopez was brought in as a sacrificial lamb to make him look good when Canelo was actually scheduled to take on high risk champ Paul Williams, but Williams was involved in a career ending accident, so Victor Ortiz was lined up as a backup but he ended up losing an upset to Lopez, which is the only reason Lopez ended up filling in. Canelo would go on to fight undefeated Trout in his next fight. It should also be noted that Canelo is a former welterweight himself There are also trivial complaints that aren't worthy of mention like Abel complaining about Canelo's handwraps which was only his attempt to create a distraction, like when he complained about Canelo's facial hair.
@therealdrhankmccoy50472 жыл бұрын
Fielding, Yildrim, Callum, BJS, MacBuukk, Caleb is not greatness. He fights bums for email belts
@donramonbalboa47972 жыл бұрын
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 ggg floyd cotto kovalev plant saunders jacobs lara are greatness.Who else today fought as many champs as canelo?nobody,hes more comparable to greats of the past than the champs of today
@jesseibarra64372 жыл бұрын
Steroids
@danielc75812 жыл бұрын
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 I'm just a casual boxing fan (I watch some fights but don't really follow the sport). Isn't the fghter with a belt one of the best of the division? If having a belt doesn't mean you are among the top what's even the point of belts??
@jean-francoisduval19072 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how people can still doubt Canelo supremacy.
@strafer87642 жыл бұрын
Oh it’s easy. Failed tests for PED’s, weight draining bigger opponents with behind the seem clauses. Giving fighters like KOV a short camp which didn’t matter anyway since he wasn’t even trying. Want to fight a generally unknown cruiserweight just get another belt. He just wants to break records. He doesn’t care what the fans want. That’s why he never dogfight Gennady again. I have much more respect for Wilder.
@sortex73112 жыл бұрын
@@strafer8764 cry😂
@strafer87642 жыл бұрын
@@sortex7311 I don’t expect a remarkable or mature response from any of you people lol. Keep proving me right.
@sortex73112 жыл бұрын
@@strafer8764 you can’t change the mind of a hater lmao so there’s no point in stating facts cause you just gonna deny everything even when it’s FACTS. Not gonna waste my time. Like I said cry.
@strafer87642 жыл бұрын
@@sortex7311 that’s your types’s go to. Like a baby. Lol I state the obvious and you run from objectivity. Grow up boy.
@reyreyes93982 жыл бұрын
Was awesome! Thank you for your time and effort!!!!
@MrJess14972 жыл бұрын
I’ve being a Canelo fan since his early fights, The first time I saw him fight I just knew this guy was going to be somebody in the sport of boxing, I just knew it!!
@sonnyv.39472 жыл бұрын
Hes very underrated and much , much better than hes given credit for.
@jaron_a_mo2 жыл бұрын
He’s ranked 1 on the pfp list… underrated where?
@sebastiancooke67972 жыл бұрын
how tf is he underrated?
@arrezz20782 жыл бұрын
Underrated? Ask any Mexican who he is
@bredin91992 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Cooke he’s underrated because he’s the real Goat not may
@apache70742 жыл бұрын
He’s only under rated by those who don’t think he deserves the success he’s achieved… We live in this world of social media bullshit where most commenters are angry, hateful, feel inferior, jealous, insecure, and find it convenient to be brave from a distance……..
@JSHarbison2 жыл бұрын
Well done. I think Canelo has certainly earned his spot as the current P4P Champion. He's fought some great fighters and unified at 168 by beating a couple of slick boxers. He may not be the greatest Mexican boxer yet...but he's the clear number 2 right now and I think he still has more great fights in him. I think GGG won the first fight and had the second a draw, but those were close fights. I feel bad for GGG, but I think Canelo has proven his greatness. The guy fights consistently unlike so many of these other fighters who claim greatness, but only fight once every 18-24 months.
@nomaschenko3872 жыл бұрын
Never forget Salvador Sanchez... But yeah Canelo is in the Mix
@Majahpaine2 жыл бұрын
How he earned his p4p spot ! By cherry picking overmatched European fighters nobody wants to see but you dumb emotionally attached canelo fans. Canelo is a glorified D level fighter fighting D level competition. Canelo can't fool me. Real p4p fighters fight the best and not fight bums nobody never heard of. Come on how can you become undisputed and ignore David Benavidez at 168 and go after a weak bum cruiserweight title holder. Canelo is a fantasy champion
@anthonyhall78832 жыл бұрын
@@Majahpaine you’re literally what’s wrong with boxing. Tell me what charlo, benenvidez and Andrade did to earn a canelo shot?? Benevidez can’t even keep disciplined to maintain championship level weight. Charlo unlike his brother is doing nothing at chasing greatness. As for Andrade he was nearly beat by Liam Williams who might I add (though I like him as a fighter) was beat by Liam smith TWICE! So who now is it you’d like to see him fight as he’s already wiped out a division and whilst everyone calls his name no one goes and seeks it.
@leonardomoore18682 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyhall7883 and what exactly did yildirim do to deserve a fight? See fanboys like u don't care about about canelo taking risks as long as u know their is a meaningless belt at stake. But it's funny how u bring up what has benavidez done well he considered the most dangerous fight out their for canelo but he would rather fight caleb plant a fighter every1 knew he would win. Anthony boxing is about taking risks but u don't seem to care about that and I wonder why.
@apex_prowler952 жыл бұрын
Canelo has fought some good solid fighters. No great fighters because there are none in his range. He's fought 1 great fighter and did well.
@contecr4903 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing video. The work behind this and the way you delivered your point across with fairness and professionalism is just insane. I am actually in awe, amazing!!
@13polouno2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video, keep them coming brother, 👍👍👍👍👍✊✊✊✊✊
@victorgl97092 жыл бұрын
Giving Canelo an 87 for defence is criminal. He is above 90 easily, closer to 95. He is also faster than what you rated him.
@luciusaureliuscommodus65202 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@BlaZe-Ah2 жыл бұрын
Facts! The rating this guy gave was absolute trash in Defense. Canelos defense is a minimal 93, 87 is way off.
@micklestapler42 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@CrazyOneToo2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Sometimes it seems he is in matrix mode ducking and weaving away from punches almost like magic.
@juniletotarugo45202 жыл бұрын
He is greatest boxer in his generation maaaan
@IAMHIPHOP9742 жыл бұрын
Mayweather
@bobhead77302 жыл бұрын
@@IAMHIPHOP974 We talking about Canelo here who is a different generation to Mayweather. Mayweather was the greatest boxer of his generation no doubt but in my opinion his fights are boring, certainly his later fights. But as i say that’s just my opinion, yours may differ.
@CiaranHand2 жыл бұрын
He was beaten by Floyd and by GGG, no amount of belts can change that
@David-nw6wj2 жыл бұрын
@@CiaranHand Floyd did and with GGG I have it 1-1 and honestly taht that draw made him a better fighter than GGG, specially because GGG has always been scared of going up to 168 and HBO sold it to everyone and I that he would knock out Canelo but couldn’t in 24 rounds.
@fredricosanchez92932 жыл бұрын
@@David-nw6wj But GGG won the first fight. The female judge who scored it 118 to 112 for Roidnelo can never judge a boxing match again. She made a lot of 💰
@Spliffed-2 жыл бұрын
effort is crazy man. You're great bruh
@Noobie2k72 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video on Chris Eubank. He seemed a guy in his way to becoming one of the true greats. I mean hen is still considered one of the greatest British boxers of all time but it seems that after his knockout of Watson and that unfortunate incident he lost his killer instinct as he didn't want to really hurt anyone else.
@blanchedlion46812 жыл бұрын
Hes fought Mayweather, GGG, Lara and many other great fighters. To say he's ducked is laughable. Some of those wins may be controversial but he ducks no more than any other great boxer. To get a truly top match up between two greats is fairly rare.
@EseMismoSoy2 жыл бұрын
And it’s funny cause the fighters they say Canelo is “ducking” haven’t fought anybody worth mentioning.
@Jahsahy2 жыл бұрын
Fr Canelo is a great boxer
@adityajoshi65392 жыл бұрын
So what!? He lost to them. FYI he ducked GGG for a very long time.
@ChrisB-cx6td2 жыл бұрын
Running mayweather 😂 GGG
@boxcarchildrent.v.84772 жыл бұрын
@@adityajoshi6539 GGG lost to chenko 🤡
@mileskavanagh46612 жыл бұрын
You provide without a doubt the best boxing content on KZfaq in my opinion. Do you have a patreon or something to support your channel cause I notice you never have ads on your videos. I get that’s probably because you use licensed content, despite it being fair use. Never donated to a content creator before but would happily support your work. Hope your brilliant content continues in the new year👊
@rykehuss34352 жыл бұрын
No doubt about that. The production, the artistic choices, everything is top notch. His voice is good too, not too slow not too fast. Canelo is my favorite boxer (together with Inoue and Loma). Just a joy and inspiration to watch them all, speaking as an ammy boxer myself.
@xman76882 жыл бұрын
Take my money!!
@fairzghost2 жыл бұрын
Extremely well finish product. I've seen some of your videos at random and this video clarity, production and unbiased opinion seems to me is way above other boxing channels. I will subscribe now.
@shortbuspimp2 жыл бұрын
Agree whole heartedly
@masonfrancoeur27552 жыл бұрын
And he fucks with boards of Canada samples
@andrewduffy14252 жыл бұрын
Just found this boxing channel and wow. What channel keep it up👊
@thatguybrian8782 жыл бұрын
Great video mate, thanks for posting. 👍
@tomredaintdead95752 жыл бұрын
Canelo is a beast. You wouldn’t want to bump into him in a dark alley 😂 . Great video fella 👍
@Lee-hy8ii2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure in a dark alley you're getting shot or stabbed the fuck out. At least in my city. lmao
@marlonpetersen9092 жыл бұрын
Could be that you walk through a dark alley and then kiss the floor. You probably think you tripped over some shit but turns out it was Tony Ferguson anklepicking the shit out of you.
@Lee-hy8ii2 жыл бұрын
@@marlonpetersen909 hahahahahaha the ankle pick part was priceless
@marcalampi50362 жыл бұрын
I've been around in boxing for oh at least 50 year's. I used to kick it with Bert Sugar. Not saying he was always right but he did know his shiznit for many decades. We talked about very many fighters, boxers, slugger's, puncher's. Pretty much the gammit. Speed strategy skills IQ. I got him to admit what my eyes saw not just political boxing spin. Yes Canelo could possibly get beat. The odds are in Canelos favor. Well trained. Fast enough great counter puncher can take it and give it. Heart determination winning spirit. Lot's of people talk smack. Canelo Alvarez is the shiznit. He's great I'm gonna say it. He's not over hyped. He delivers the goods. He's a great champion.
@geoffthompson62172 жыл бұрын
As you say canelo is the shiznit .you're not wrong..
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
Well said
@Ammon62 жыл бұрын
Great special, as always!
@bengross86162 жыл бұрын
We would love a series around this like you do this same video analyzing how good the current boxers are!
@CarlWinzil2 жыл бұрын
When he stopped Kovalev.. that's when I realized how good the guy truly is.
@maj842 жыл бұрын
I hear what you’re saying but Kovalev was washed by the time Canelo stopped him.
@christiansoldier772 жыл бұрын
Carl winzil Kovalev was KOed twice and almost a third time right before he fought Canelo which is why Canelo fought him. Kovalev was washed up
@calumb70002 жыл бұрын
yeah stopping an alcoholic on short notice when he was almost knocked out by British level Anthony Yarde a couple of months prior was just incredible stuff.
@reginaldpowell35852 жыл бұрын
Really lmao
@BoxingSensei2 жыл бұрын
@@maj84 shit then Floyd’s beat washed up cotto, delahoya, pacquiao, Mosley. That sucks
@mariosanchez82362 жыл бұрын
How many times do you see someone tear up Canelo's fights and resume, and in that same conversation tell us who it is they see doing the exact opposite of what they hate on Canelo for? Who amongst the top level guys of the current era are fighting legitimately respected killers every fight, or who is taking fights most of us see as 50/50 toss ups every time we see them in the ring? I am a Canelo fan. I like to watch the guy fight. But, I'm not saying in the previous sentences that I think he's been fighting legit killers or taking 50/50 fights every time out, nor anything else of that nature. But it appears that most hating on the guy feel that he, and apparently he alone, should have to do so. I just wanna know who it is I am missing out on watching doing the things they think Canelo should be? i would say that there is not someone out there doing it better than Canelo is (again, that does not mean i think he is doing it perfectly by any means) and if that is the case then this isn't just a Canelo Alvarez problem, this is a professional boxing problem.
@SkanMLL2 жыл бұрын
I can't get behind a dude who got caught doping in two drug tests in a row. I don't buy the "contaminated meat" excuse
@ZaChYmO2 жыл бұрын
@@SkanMLL Follicle test proved negative, test not consistent to the amount needed to enhance performance. Hence follicle Test came back negative, together with urine tests were consistent to one tainted meal, therefore, Canelo test score were made the official PERMISABLE passing range for Clenbuterol. THOSE ARE YOUR FACTS!
@Namehere1292 жыл бұрын
@@SkanMLL if you didn’t know a while ago the Mexican national soccer team also tested positive for clembuterol, you trynna tell me all the soccer players used clembuterol on purpose?? It’s been said that many meat in Mexico has clembuterol.
@Lemon-rk9hq2 жыл бұрын
@@SkanMLL yeah everyone has used supposed roids lol that was like almost 4 years ago who gives a shit at this point you see people hating on Roy Jones over it
@kairecheneau93472 жыл бұрын
@Snowwy he was micro dosing
@mikeyflaherty46165 ай бұрын
Greet content ! I can feel you put a ridiculous amount of time and effort into this installment. Long live boxing ! RIP Showtime. This will be the new standard for covering our sport and your leading the charge!
@Loki71080 Жыл бұрын
love the content. Keep it rolling.
@MrBlick762 жыл бұрын
What canelo is today compared to when he fought Floyd is light years away. Its been spectacular to see actually. His movement defense boxing prowess and power have all increased tenfold and I've never seen anyone improve that much ever. Except when klitschko got Emmanuel Steward. But nowhere near the amount of improvement as canelo. Always been tough as a coffin nail. But now he's seemingly indestructible
@pablerry Жыл бұрын
Floyd was smart to fight him when he was very green.
Awesome video as always. Best boxing channel on youtube. Loved the deep dive in this one. Keep up the good work!
@Tom-ni6st2 жыл бұрын
wtf was just looking for a 25 - 30 m video to watch / listen to for my workout and out of nowhere this pops up. There is a god !!!
@AZK912 жыл бұрын
Lmao them ones. I needed something to watch whilst eating dinner 😂
@martinmijarez77892 жыл бұрын
You also have to remember one simple thing, When you are comparing fighters from the past, like Arguello, Duran and Chavez at champions being defeated by them, and then you tried to compare Canelo's wins on champs, you must realized that when these guys were in there were only 2 champs per division, and not 4.
@negus56752 жыл бұрын
Great point, facts
@lorenzofuentes89602 жыл бұрын
Duran is Panamanian tho
@CEOofEPO2 жыл бұрын
@@lorenzofuentes8960 He said Latin not Mexican I’m pretty sure
@izzybermudez11792 жыл бұрын
@@lorenzofuentes8960 Correction. He was half Panamanian and Half Mexican. Read his book HANDS OF STONE
@stephenbarrosse8312 жыл бұрын
You sir are one of the best channels on youtube. Your understanding and love of the sport is top notch. Combined that with your commentary and video production, its just outrageous. Thank you for the content.
@bojan_najdov2 жыл бұрын
This was such an eye opening video, really enjoyed watching it! Thank you! Would love more of these, GGG!!! :D
@mditt72 жыл бұрын
Canelo was the come forward aggressor against Lara - this gave him the win
@Al357Magnum2 жыл бұрын
And he wasn't against Golovkin yet managed to get a draw. Typical
@a.h.5432 жыл бұрын
@@Al357Magnum GGG landed only jabs. Where was the monster in the middleweight division?
@Al357Magnum2 жыл бұрын
@@a.h.543 You are a fool if you think he only landed jabs.
@a.h.5432 жыл бұрын
@@Al357Magnum You're a fool if you think GGG won.
@Al357Magnum2 жыл бұрын
@@a.h.543 You are a fool. Golovkin won the last 4 rounds. Unless you have Alvarez somehow winning 7 of the first 8 rounds it is impossible for Golovkin to lose.
@johnlewis32402 жыл бұрын
Thank you BLTV Extra for putting these videos together with good educated commentary, I not only really enjoy them, but also learn about all the legends over time in all different weight classes.
@TPerez10212 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think choosing Bivol is a next-level move by Canelo. Win or lose, that decision is super impressive. People are downplaying Bivol's ability, but besides a possible Beterbiev, I really don't think he could have picked a tougher opponent. This fight has convinced me that Canelo really is a throwback. He's pursuing excellence. I'm not a fan, but I definitely appreciate what he's doing. This could change the sport for the better.
@jontorres84082 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the hard work
@rodolforiverajr_2 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I think of Canelo man, last of a dying breed. I hope the future years prove me wrong.
@mditt72 жыл бұрын
you can't compare eras. Since Floyd left, he's the next best of his generation. He keeps beating everyone is front of him. There's the proof. Like to see him fight Bivol and Beterbiev.
@matthewmaxcy15742 жыл бұрын
Man love your videos you put a great amount of work into masterpieces.
@theboxingchannel21532 жыл бұрын
excellent content. Thank you so much
@andrewnyman41282 жыл бұрын
Canelo may have the most impressive chin I've ever seen. I'm glad you made the Foreman comparison.
@sugarray7102 жыл бұрын
Hagler? GGG?
@pbac95702 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Canelo's move into cruiser indicates he knows he needs to do more to earn the place in boxing history that he is aiming for. His current division just isn't deep enough.
@chileyork2 жыл бұрын
Wajajajja is exactly the opposite ,he’s moving cause he didn’t want to lose a fight ,then moving up Make another boxers to cut weight so they’re easy for canelo and very comfortable not being close to real champions that can take a belt from him ,he lost against Lara ,and both fight against ggg
@therealdrhankmccoy50472 жыл бұрын
He's moving up to fight a bum MacBuukk that already got slept twice hardcore by bums because he's scared shitless of guys like Benavidez
@pbac95702 жыл бұрын
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 the thing is if he secures a victory or KO at Cruiser and steps back down, he'll have an enormous intimidation factor in the division. A lot of Tyson's career was maintained by intimidation so it goes a long way.
@therealdrhankmccoy50472 жыл бұрын
@@pbac9570 fighting a bum named MacBuukk that already got slept twice hardcore by bums isn't very intimidating. Sounds like a beta bitch fangirl excuse.
@hebisty41632 жыл бұрын
What a load of nonsense. He can fight charlo andrade benevidez ... the division is stacked he just ducks.
@chavezvive48502 жыл бұрын
incredible video BLTV !
@acpliego2 жыл бұрын
I really like canelo and I’m Mexican and he has grown a lot through the years but imo his biggest problem is that he doesn’t throw a lot of punches. Apparently he doesn’t have the stamina to sustain his attack at a high rate. It’s kind of frustrating sometimes to see him walk around the ring when the fight is still undecided. The opposite in this regard would be Julio César Chávez, the definition of Mexican style.
@big3ye3782 жыл бұрын
Hey just a minor correction here, Clenbuterol is an "Adrenergic Agonist" not antagonist
@thediaz072 жыл бұрын
Lol antagonist like the opposing character in a novel?
@Enoxificatti2 жыл бұрын
@@thediaz07 Yep.
@big3ye3782 жыл бұрын
@@thediaz07 Antagonist just means that it blocks neurotransmitter activity at the their receptors where agonist stimulates the activity.
@6ri66s22 жыл бұрын
@@big3ye378 you sound like MPMD 😂
@thediaz072 жыл бұрын
@@big3ye378 oh you mean in the context of steroid use.
@bloodsweatandbeers96702 жыл бұрын
Dude you drop dimes everytime. You may not put tons of content out but the content you put up is f**kin stellar work man. Awesome yet again
@-xrxr-8782 жыл бұрын
Canelo just lost and im a massive fan but bivol has my respect for getting booed by the entire arena
@tacticaltradingpennystocks72062 жыл бұрын
Excellent work. I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
@Theguyman2 жыл бұрын
Whoever it is running this channel, thank you guys so much. It's clear to see how much time and effort goes into making these videos. Thanks again lads
@canelopower36582 жыл бұрын
💯 percent Wrong on Defence, 87 that’s bs, I haven’t seen canelo get hit flush with any power shots in any recent fights, he always rides the punches by turning his head. Power shots is where it counts. He deserves a 94.
@mariosanchez82362 жыл бұрын
I dunno if you would consider the Danny Jacobs fight as recent enough but I pretty much agree with you. That is the last fight I can remember him getting absolutely clocked with one specific, ridiculously clean punch, granted if it affected him in any way he certainly didn't show it.
@eversoul432 жыл бұрын
I just stumbled into one of his fights on KZfaq a couple weeks ago. Since, I've watched about 20 full fights. He's a brilliant fighter and can effectively humble any fighter of any nationality.
@PantheonProjects2 жыл бұрын
This was a well put together video
@alexstokes72832 жыл бұрын
What a new year's eve treat ❤ excellent as always. We know how long this takes ! But that's why we are patient.
@tyrodjenkins90502 жыл бұрын
His defense should be 93. I looked into canelo's last 8 opponents connect percentage in championship fights that have gone at least 6 rounds and all of them had a career low connect percentage when they fought canelo.
@christiansoldier772 жыл бұрын
Tyrod Jenkins You can't hit someone when you 're afraid to get hit
@tyrodjenkins90502 жыл бұрын
@@christiansoldier77 Connect percentage is measured by the punches landed over total punches thrown. Meaning for the overall punches they do throw they aren't able to land like they normally do.
@christiansoldier772 жыл бұрын
@@tyrodjenkins9050 You have to be committed to throwing punches in order to land punches but that will open you up to get hit. These guys Canelo fought at 168 were just looking to survive .
@jameslough63292 жыл бұрын
@@christiansoldier77 Saunders and Plant were not just looking too survive
@tyrodjenkins90502 жыл бұрын
@@christiansoldier77 Again you're missing the point punches thrown over punches landed, and this goes all the way back to the first GGG fight not just the 3 undefeated champions he just ran through
@marcavonevans2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks
@dahomiedirty83612 жыл бұрын
Dope as hell. This video made me sub. Keep it up. Cool shit, homie
@BranWolfgaming2 жыл бұрын
Great work like always. Really appreciate this one in particular.
@unknown_71482 жыл бұрын
Great to see you back and amazing video, Canelo is someone that has always intrigued me and I have to say after his 2nd fight with GGG he earned a little bit of my respect!
@stuartdamon36102 жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive video covering Canelo A to Z. Great Job!
@aarontaylor6104 Жыл бұрын
This is exceptional quality content mate 💪
@timewellspent92162 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I haven't enjoyed a boxing video like that in a while. Great 👌🥊❤️🏴
@isoplus35132 жыл бұрын
When I see a video by BLTV, click 'LIKE' first, then sit back and watch. Thank for the video.
@cruzgallegos66222 жыл бұрын
Great work! Thanks
@rolandoalfarorealestate85182 жыл бұрын
Canelo puts in the time, work, effort, sacrifice and ethic to be at the top. That's what legends do.
@josueisaac9672 жыл бұрын
I admit he lost to ggg the first time, but he won the second time. Look at the breakdown. With Lara look at the fight breakdown. Canelo out boxed him. Lost to mayweather for sure. But he tested negative to the hair follicle test. He took the test. So he couldn’t have been positive. That proves it! Why don’t you talk about that? I’m not a big canelo fan. But facts are facts.
@bobhead77302 жыл бұрын
Josue. I agree on that mate.
@BoxingSensei2 жыл бұрын
What canelo haters don’t like to mention 1. Hair follicle test 2. Vada testing enrollment 3. Best resume in boxing 4. Face of boxing $$$ 5. He beat ggg in rematch 6. He beat the most defensively sound middleweights BJS & Plant 7. Charlo ducks everyone only wants to lose to canelo $$$ 8. David Benavidez weight bully who hasn’t beaten anyone 9. Canelo been at a weight disadvantage since being at middleweight 10. Canelo has to fight them all, while everyone else fights bums 11. Yildrim was a wbc mandatory 12. Charlo & Andrade are being overrated by bias race fans 13. Canelo was no where near his prime when he fought Floyd 14. Canelo haters already downgrading bivol & Beterbiev so canelo don’t get credit 😂 15. If canelo becomes undisputed at 175 he surpasses mayweather legacy by miles 🥊
@Alex-cw3rz2 жыл бұрын
I think the other thing you have to remember is that was GGG at his best Canelo is still getting better, so in terms of who is the better fighter it's Canelo.
@JackAlter2 жыл бұрын
he lost second fight with gena
@bobhead77302 жыл бұрын
@@JackAlter Who’s gena bud?
@joshuaybarra7012 жыл бұрын
Love this breakdown. Almost made me want to try and fight canelo.
@josephgallegos72082 жыл бұрын
🥊😂
@somebody87012 жыл бұрын
Go for it, I believe in you. Canello wouldn't want no smoke from u big boi trust me
@joshuaybarra7012 жыл бұрын
@@somebody8701 😆 🤣 Hell No he don't. But if he does I have to get you some free tickets
@RobertoRamirez-zu5fw2 жыл бұрын
Awesome editing and research my friend! You got a new sub. 👍👍💯💯
@Tian.S2 жыл бұрын
Very good. What makes him great is that when he lost, he came back completely changed and improved. Reminds me of guys like Ali. Guys who use a loss to rise above who they were before. Still can't call him the greatest Mexican fighter of all time, though.
@robash54742 жыл бұрын
Anyone who saw him feint Billy Joe out his socks then smash his face with thunderous uppercut can see Canelo is the real deal. Like all great boxers he's got the benefit of the doubt from the judges in some close ones..Can't really tell how he stacks up against all time greats until his career is over.
@ryansnot78782 жыл бұрын
Canelos performance against BJS was one of his weaker ones imo. He's produced much better performances, and it's not like the punch laid him out cold, his hands are just so heavy that it cracked his orbital. BJS was doing about as well against Canelo as anyone outside of FMJ and GGG (1st fight). That being said, if he carries on like this for a few years, Canelo will undoubtedly go down as one of the all time greats.
@Daniel_Clem2 жыл бұрын
But most boxers who get the doubt from the judges usually give rematches or win a close fight (example: mayweather vs maidana) give rematches. Lara beat him comfortably and he knows it that's why he never rematched.
@robash54742 жыл бұрын
@@ryansnot7878 one punch KO , Billy Joe effectively had all the fight knocked out with He didn't go down but that one shot finished him
@ZaChYmO2 жыл бұрын
@@robash5474 he could no longer feel his feet. A testament to BJS chin as well lmao
@Alex-cw3rz2 жыл бұрын
23:57 yeah keeping Canelo at bay really worked for Callum Smith who has a longer reach than Makabu and Briedis by quite a way and can move around the ring a lot better than both of them.
@Rods_Bar2 жыл бұрын
The reach isn’t what matters as much tho , it’s how physically strong they are. Makabu is built like a tank
@Alex-cw3rz2 жыл бұрын
@Billy Cain I have compard them and Smith is quicker and has the better reach, it's that simple. Briedis is the best of the cruiserweights but that's not saying much. Of Canelo can do a couple of fights in cruiserweight he beats Briedis.
@Alex-cw3rz2 жыл бұрын
@@Rods_Bar and Canelo isn't... GGG couldn't drop him, Canelo's adding on 30lbs and Makabu is not relatively as hard a puncher as GGG (as in if you added on that weight to GGG in a hypothetical he would punch harder than Makabu).
@Rods_Bar2 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-cw3rz he doesn’t hit as hard as GGG pfp but being almost 40 pounds heavier , he’s definitely going to hit harder than ggg
@Alex-cw3rz2 жыл бұрын
@@Rods_Bar yes and canelo's going to have put on 30lbs meaning he can take punches better... do you not understand how weight works? He's going to be punching harder and can take harder punches (of which Makabu chin isn't particularly great, not bad but not the best). Why are you acting like he's going to be 168lbs
@trungnguyenofficial99992 жыл бұрын
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@ryanbaker44982 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best synopses I've ever watched, take my subscribe
@GershomSeventyEight2 жыл бұрын
I believe the Weight Bullying arguement is a fallacy for Canelo. He has moved up in weight to beat someone who held a belt. If he beats a cruiser weight that argument is dead, completely. Anyone who agrees to fight above their weight class should have no excuses!
@luismanuelg.b94702 жыл бұрын
You should know the numerous clauses that the opponents of Canelo must accept in order face him, then you'll get the" excuses"
@GershomSeventyEight2 жыл бұрын
@@luismanuelg.b9470 so what clauses pertaining to weight bullying are you talking about?
@luismanuelg.b94702 жыл бұрын
@@GershomSeventyEight and more, there are million of clauses and it's obvious that Canelo picks his opponents when they are close to end up their careers. Revise this list: SHANE MOSLEY FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR MIGUEL COTTO GGG HE KILLED CHÁVEZ JR AT SCALE AMIR KHAN A 140 POUNDS RIVAL SERGEY KOVALEV AND SO ON. I ain't against Saul Alvarez although l must be honestly unbiased related to his setups.
@GershomSeventyEight2 жыл бұрын
@@luismanuelg.b9470 It will always be that way for any boxer with success, everyone is a critic and will find things to pick at. But the only real dispute I had is regarding the weight bullying. You haven't answered my previous question regarding that. Please elaborate?
@luismanuelg.b94702 жыл бұрын
@@GershomSeventyEight If you didn't get it, l am nobody to tell you what to say.
@jamesb93002 жыл бұрын
I still believe the way my dad taught me how to "judge" a fight. Making a fight the way you want it is number 1, placement of power punches number 2, and number of punches number 3