Kep1er could've had an absolutely bomb Sun and Moon concept. Up could've been the bright fresh Sun sound and MVSK could've been the darker, more electronic Moon sound. It would've worked so well.

especially after boys planet and the debut of zerobaseone, its so obvious that kep1er was just wakeones and mnets test group to see if they could still have a successful survival show after the voting manipulation scandals. its clear just from debut that wakeone has such stronger creative visions for zerobaseone. the teasers and mv looked more quality and better edited, and they debuted with 6 original songs and no boys planet remakes on the album. in bloom also seems to have better production quality than wadada, the producers even sampled 90s hit take on me. i feel bad for kep1er, at least they got a better name than zerobaseone because i still don't understand why mnet chose THAT out of all the fan options

wakeone has 9 gems and they arent treating them right, i hope each of the girls have a more successful career then they have right now in kep1er

When Kep1er debuted, their audience was huge and their hype was engaging. But groups like Nmixx, Le Sserafim, NewJeans and IVE (from known companies) have taken over. W1 has failed them. Kep1er’s lineup is the best and most diverse lineup out of all previous temporary groups. They can all sing, dance & are the most synchronized gg. They have the entire package but their talent are being squandered.

I was so livid when I found out about how many Japanese members were blocked out of joining IzOne. I never really followed Kep1er, so I’m surprised to find out here that they’re still trying to keep it all Korean. I just don’t understand why Mnet is so adamant on keeping as few foreign members in as possible - you’d think if more people are voting for a member, they would get more album sales from that member being so popular to the viewer base. Like they’d literally be getting so much more money.

Kep1er is a underrated talented group it’s just their company who failed them.

Sending them to Queendom is a hot mess. I said it on Twitter when Mnet announced it but their fans booing me saying, Kep1er can easily out perform the other contestants. It makes me giggle, how can this new group outperform the other acts that have more experience and skills like Hyolyn and Loona.

It was such a shame because I remember the hype during their debut was even better than Ive. Wadada and Eleven was competing during release but the sound is what makes the difference. Chosing the wrong title song is the worst move a company can make for a debut. Nmixx suffered the same phenomenon

I love Kep1er. They’re a great line up. I just wish they would have come up with a better concept for the girls. mvsk to me is easily the best concept for them and I wish they had kept that energy up. Makes me sad they’re time as a group is coming to an end and they’ve barely scratched the surface of what they were capable of

Just gonna say that the la vie en rose’s budget was no where to be found it’s just that they made it work WAY better than Wa da da. (Also la vie en rose’s simplistic but chic concept didn’t need much of a budget anyways)

When Kepler covered LVR at LA Kcon, they received so much attention and positive comments. That concept fits them so much, but not their concept.

For me, they just seem so... unbalanced? They lack chemistry and cohesiveness, like some of the members feels out of place sometimes. Also the fandom has cracks everywhere and is in a civil war all the time. Chaehyun as a center, well, no hate to the girl, but she just doesn't have that "shine" factor. Comparing her to Somi and Wony, she just doesn't stand out imo. Xiaoting had that "shine" factor but she's not Korean so that would be hard and complicated. Their songs just also doesn't hit right. Wa Da Da was fine enough for a debut, but i would have loved a heavily vocal song. I hate the fact that their title tracks barely has any real singing lines and instead has adlibs, chanting, and speaking lines. And that factor contributed to the "favoritism" and "unfair" treatment Kep1ians has been fighting over since their debut. People had really high hopes for them as they were the next girl group after IZ*ONE. But they clearly never met those expectations and thus it is how it is now. The girls had potential to be a top girl group, but it seems like they were never the favored one.

the surge of stayc - new jeans - lesserafim really hit incredibly hard to all girl crush / mixx pop sound groups and sadly this unprecedented fact hit them the hardest

Iz*one really set the bar high up as being products of survival shows. The members are still very popular even after they disbanded. The timing of the debut of Kep1er happened when former members of Iz*one were also debuting in a new group. Wake One should have focused on the branding of the musicality of Kep1er since debut so that that the general population can maintain their hype on the group. Unfortunately, they failed in doing so. For almost a year left in their contract, until then they will continue to live under the shadows of IVE, LE SSERAFIM, etc. who debuted with them at the same time. Their management should have asked themselves this question, "Why should the general support a temporary group as compared to a permanent group?"

i always tuned into gp999 every episode so i became a really big kep1er fan (esp since youngeun was my one pick throughout the whole show) so when i tell you the hype they had during wa da da was massive-it was HUGE. i don’t know what happened to that momentum, and it’s incredibly sad to see how their fandom (specifically their korean one-they r almost nonexistent these days) just… shrunk. and it’s not the fault of the girls, they are all so incredibly talented and harmonious as a group that if debuted under literally any other company that was competent enough to take advantage of that, they’d still have their debut momentum going. sadly wakeone is just extremely lackluster in the promotion of kep1er and only see them as a money maker for the japanese market. it’s incredibly angering to not see them promoted properly and i hope they all successfully redebut under more promising companies.

Having Sakura and other 48 group member like Hitomi and Nako is really previlege for Izone. Sakura very popular in Japan and has huge overseas fanbase before debut with Izone. Izone success because they do well in Japan (second largest music industry in world) their sales comparable to Twice in Japan. Kep1er may have Japanese member but hard to do well in Japan because their J-line didn't has popularity like Izone J-line

Gidle managed to escape the 'sound or storyline' Cause with being self produced they al, kind of have a similar vibes. The song are different while u can still see Soyeon hands behind it and I think that it's their power. Kepler do not only have more than one producer, but also incredibly different concept, thier song are usually childish and they try to follow the trend, whitout actually being able to attract any casual listener

for me the fate of the group was written with the final lineup, almost nobody liked it (including me) several of us saw their debut with skepticism but we were disappointed by the poor capability of their company to create an interesting group (musically and conceptually) nice video, nice analysis

LOVESTRUCK is literally aoty material in my opinion. I'm not even a stan either just a casual listener, but i wish more people gave it a chance!!!

liked your insight on the situation! hope the next cb is more like mvsk and less of a 2019 summer track, atp I just wanna see them get some recognition from the gp before they disband, and if wakeone keep fucking it up I'm afraid it will never happen...

I agree with this sooooooo much But I feel that as much as Giddy and Galileo suit them more, it’s quite generic kpop that we’ve been getting for years from other groups, which is why they aren’t picking back up :(

I DESPITE w1 as a company, it seems like they never really tried managing kep1er, and what irritates me the most is that they´re doing it perfectly with zb1 when it comes to concept, sound and most of artist management. As a group Kep1er is so talented, hard working and united, I may be biased but seeing the girls receiving more and more hate every single day because of w1 choices and neglection makes me hope that they could have a second chance redebuting ot9 in a different company

As a Kep1ian, the title should not be direct on how Kep1er failed the audience, Kep1er isn’t the one to be blame, it should be WakeONE (what can they do they are just products of that entertainment, they cannot control what they wanted the most for their audience)

I was really with them.... Hated wadada for a while then got snatched by Mvsk... Le voyage .. And maybe happy endings are REALLY great songs (also back to the city) but... Other than the failure of attachment to the titles... I never even knew there was a concept except "reaching towards space" and when I looked back on their "lore" 😅 I gave up

now we have zerobaseone lets see how wakeone will ruin these boyd

Trust me but IZ*ONE, as their sister group , played a big role in this. IZ*ONE left while leaving such a big impact on the industry that many people really expected so much from kep1er + many people hated kep1er for that. Many people thought that the only way they can show their hate towards mnet is by doing it to kep1er. I really feel sad for them considering how popular produce groups were. Also I just hope that they can fix this temporary concept.

it's just the concept that makes WADADA mv look cheap more than la vein rose but la vein rose and violeta mvs are not that high budgeted. But I have to say wakeone is clearly treating kep1er and zerobaseone differently....

Now I am scared for zerobaseone 😢 wakeone better not ruin them, they already gave us cheap concept photos😭

And not only that every 4gen groups have their own concepts like itzy have girl crush, aespa have Al ,stayc has teenfresh concept ,ive have elegant and royal concept To standout is 4 gen you should have a significant concept ,that kep1er don't have

Can you do a video about CLASS:y I need to know what went wrong with them

This is why I actually liked giddy but noticed people are not hype anymore and thought that is kepler finally failing? not that I wanted that. just from observation

i liked wa da da and up! a lot. i saw a lot of potential in the girls. one of the things that turned me away from getting more into them was honestly the way the fanbase just had so much infighting. i still listen to kep1er and support them a lot but it was hard to get into them at first bc of how gross people were toward the girls online. i saw so many instances of "fans" using one girl to tear another girl down and it made me not want to interact with anything kep1er related for a while.

Algo que también me pareció una injusticia es que este grupo tiene una gran dance line y no la aprovecharon al máximo

I was torn for a long time, but finally caved in and bought their album to show my support. Each comeback song is even more childish than the last, but it's a pity that even at the age of 12 or 13, are not buying into it. The previous comeback song, 'We Fresh,' was just plain embarrassing with the way they clumsily pretended to play the guitar in the dance.

I hope some girls redebut again in better companies

Oh wtf so sad how they treated the trainees T.T Awesome video thanks very much!

wakeone really sabotaged kep1er, I agree with all your points specially when they fumbled the bag and failed to capitalize mask and up (up is my most fave kepler song i wanna cry). the girls did not deserve such shitty management and poor management choices.

let'a be real kep1er although had a lot of hype initially it was all based on international fans, koreans didn't watch GP 999 ... after the produce series scandal i don't think south korea was ever going to support the first group to come out of another MNET survival show ... same is happening with i-land season 2 on MNET right now and the last two queendom competitions shows also made very little impact domestically in terms of TV ratings and interests domestically in south korea and i've always felt KPOP internationals fans are some of the biggest bandwagon music fans in general across all genres so if they don't think a certain group will be popular 90% of these "fans" will choose another group to follow that they deem to be the next big thing ... we're talking about high school level popularity stuff here imo i mean there is a reason why there is a term called "big 3" or even "big 4" company priveges and although being from an MNET survival show group used to have some benefits and it still does, you're not going to get any support domestically in south korea after that produce scandal which was only a few years old i mean we've seen past KPOP groups get blackballed from south korea after "minor" controversies or scandals ... now imagine coming off the biggest music scandal in the history of that country and that dark cloud was always going to be around kep1er as a group in their tenure domestically imo to be a top tier KPOP group especially a girl group you need domestic support from koreans as even though KPOP has grown a ton over the years koreans still make up the majority of each group's fandom kep1er again wasn't going to get that support that previous MNET groups got no matter if they had a more cohesive concept or released general public friendly songs i mean if you look at japan where kep1er has their biggest fandom they've done very well including going back to when 5 million watched the GP 999 finale in oct 2021 ... KPOP fans in that country didn't care about the produce scandal in return have given their support behind kep1er as south koreas did with previous MNET survival show groups .... 4 songs that have charted in the top 10, 220k albums sold just for their japanese releases, and nearly 160k attendees over the last 2.5 years worth of concerts and fan meets ... now kep1er still i wouldn't say is in the top tier A level of favorite KPOP girl groups in japan but i'd say their on that tier B i mean KPOP company "stans" are a thing in this genre as i truly believe if a small or mid tier group released some of the most popular songs over the last few years the song nor the group would get as much as the support from KPOP fans in general and in return if some imo good KPOP songs fromm these same small to mid tier groups would be released by a group from one of the top companies they'd be big hits ... that's the thing that sucks about KPOP as a whole as talent and imo even song quality isn't the determining factor in whether or not you're popular it's company size that determines your popularity as a group and that's why most outside the KPOP bubble don't take the genre all that seriously because of this i think kep1er likely was always destined to be a mid tier group like loona or dreamcatcher ... good support from international fans but very little backing in south korea

My theory for their name was always cosmIX 😅😅😅 IX being 9

Back to the city is superior 🔥

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17/8/23 ( Thursday ) 2.46 pm. The way the video described Wake One in relation of Kepler reminded me of Cube/CLC "music" relationship ( sigh ). Perhaps CLC Yujin would get the feeling "different, but somehow same, same". A commentator said that the upcoming EL7Z U+P would be managed by Wake One. If that is true, then.......(sigh ).

In my opinion WA DA DA was actually a much better debut song than MVSK, and it is a more easily accessible song as well. It’s like a big room type song that is still popish. MVSK meanwhile, is a very busy song, with many different breaks, melodies and changes in the song. For general appeal, this is not good. Besides that, WA DA DA gave Kep1er their own sound too. Most people here in Korea will immediately recognize that sound and song and think of Kep1er. As for having more songs… That is much more easily said than done, and look at most recent K-pop groups releases, they only come out with 1 to maybe 4 songs when debuting and most of those songs have been heard before in pre-debut content. Finally, to touch upon making an English version of the song, I don’t think that would work. Kep1ers music is very K-pop, even “Up!”, so it’s more unique and than regular pop music and would have a hard time appealing to those who are not K-pop fans. If you look at FiftyFity with Cupid, that is a big exception it’s not the norm. The song itself is already basically a regular pop song that is easy to listen to and everyone can enjoy, and it had a lot of help by become a viral trend. I do agree with the overarching narrative that Kep1er has been mismanaged and that there is a lot of potential there. Especially the part where they don’t have an identity.

if they had another company that has ggs i think they could’ve absolutely been THE 4th gen gg like izone was

Giddy is actually so good. This new one seems promising tbh

Nice insights and I agree on many points. Though with regards to Wadada and Mvsk, I was thinking that Wadada was the better choice (as the title track). I understand that fans will complain again if it was Mvsk because I can see people commenting that they are IzOne 2.0. During NMixx debut, there were lots of bad comments about them and at that time Kep1er was on top. I still think that Kep1er is successful despite the drop in popularity. They left a mark. I remember that people were criticizing IzOne before just like what they’re doing in Kep1er. Also, I must say that Kep1er has the best Japanese songs that any Kpop group has released in Japan. Together Forever I think should’ve been promoted more.

The person that made this must not understand where the name "kep1er" comes from to say that it doesn't adhere to the space theme...

I was such a die-hard fan during the show and participated crazily in voting, 8/9 were my final line-up, bought all 3 version of the debut album but lost interest IMMEDIATELY after I heard Wadada. Did even check out their later releases but it just got even worse. WakeOne did them so dirty

their evil editing to chinese trainees needs to be studied because it keeps happening..

In school I was researching planets and realized there are many many exoplanets called Kepler because in 2009 a telescope called Kepler was made to discover planets outside our solar system so I guess there is a connection?

I don't follow boygroup of mnet. But, its just since I.O.I era they include final song on their debut album. Even iz*one did the same. Its just both of the group have more new song or atleast have the same number of the reissue song. And its not what wake one did. Instead. They just give 2 new song and 1 intro to kep1er.

Lol exactly. I watched GP999 and found myself lost interest in the final line up, not exactly because the line up, but everything that led up to it, and how it is so obvious they dont know what to do with the group. Everything about the concept felt half baked. The name Kepler, and what concept they are trying to pull? With name like that, I thought they want to do something like WSJN. But well of course, there are many groups with "galaxy" theme already. Giddy so far is their best release, but even their best is mediocre compared to other idol groups, so yeah, they don't standout at all.

wakeone ain't even trying, kep1er is flopping

I just have a question on my mind: If Kep1er is managed by both WakeOne and Swing, what is Swing's role in the management of the girls? It is something I truly think about, since I never heard anyone talk about it.

The success of a Kpop group, I believe, doesn't rely solely on their music (or wha you called sound), but with also with timely buzz and constant hyping. Both I.O.I and IZ*ONE did that by sending their members to individual gigs and variety shows.Queendom 2 is not enough coz that show failed in comparison to the Queendom 1. And additionally, a two or three "popular" members play a significant role in the groups success or failure. I.O.I has the trinity Somi, Sejeong and Yoojung, while IZ*ONE got the center-rivalry duo of Wonyoung and Sakura with the wacky Yena. For Kep1er, their most popular member could not even enter the top 30 of Monthly Brand Ranking. The relevant girl groups always has a representative member in this Ranking ever since its establishment.

interesting video, but i have to say: doublast didn't sell less than first impact - in fact, it sold more on its first week compared to it! up! and wa da da also charted similarly

Anyone remembered the absolute mess when mnet announced their group name lmfao

I also want to add how almost criminal it was from Wakeone not to release "Downtown" as a main single.

About kep1er: i was so shocked when i found out that Kang yeseo was a Part Of the cast of miracle in cell no.7 She did re-enact that tho in girls planet 999

*I wish Hikaru was still on XG all of them doesn't deserve this*

We fresh is a boppppppp it’s just the way the sound was distributed (we couldn’t even recognize bahiyyih or mashiro’s voice) and because it didn’t add up with Up!, considering the feedback of Wadada was kinda disappointing and since we fresh sounds in the vibe like Wadada people were disappointed

they could've been everything.....

I watched the show , rotting for the girls alot and adored their vocals.. but since their debut I'm becoming more & more disappointed in their comebacks + their vocals on the songs are so different from when they are from the show like sometimes I can't differentiate between their vocals on title tracks ( I can recognize chaehyun & yujin cuz I know them before debut )

Great analysis! A silly part of myself thinks that they might do it on purpose cuz some upper management people there want to prove that rigged competition will produce better outcome than non-rigged one... to somewhat "justify" their past action. 🙄 But that is just purely a speculation from me. Don't trust me.

I liked up. The things I was distracted by left and right release by jk so I ended up not listening to as much as I would have had if I wansnt looking for other favs releases

correction izone isnt under wakeone but same management under CJ ent

If only they stuck to the Up sound and vibe….

Mvsk was so good and im so sad for my kep1er 😢

it’s all about the songs and concepts tho. look at newjeans, they debuted without promotion but look at them now

Im just waiting for kep1er to completely flop so the girls can redebut under a different company and so Hikaru can go debut with XG like she was supposed to

Someone send this WAKEONE PLEASEEEE

All mnet survival show has produce legendary groups like ioi, wanna one ,izone and x1 Then why Kepler flopping I think kep1er is 1st mnet flop group

Also what explains the poor management is because iz*one wasn’t under wakeone but swing entertainment

personally I like we fresh more than giddy.

It's so sad I enjoy the majority of their bsides but their promotions suck.

Just one observation, Koreans care more for their own country, when you said the kpop community "twitter" = international that means nothing for Koreans

I just love Kep1er.....so their members. That is it

do u think wakeone will fumble zb1 just like kep1er

i do not think there kep1er post disbandment careers will have the same success as izone's post disbandment careers.

How Waveone failed Kep1er is a more appropriate title. Its not the girls fault

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How wakeone failed kep1er* you're welcome

Izone was under off the record not wakeone .

I dont Listen to Kepler, and i only listened to Izone from.debut til their Disbandment

Moral lesson: wakeone SUCKS

Not me thinking, well (G)I-DLE is the exc... and then she ended my phrase. I loved Kep1er 1st comeback Up! the other releases are not my taste, I felt bad when I couldn't vibe their other songs...

3:13 Wrong, (G)I-DLE has always have a strong group identity and strong statement in music. They have never struggle in finding their own colors or concept, they are the concept themselves. Like many other groups whom would have tried a more high-teen concept, then a girlcrush one, then back to a summer cutesy concept (such as Kep1er themselves in this case or CLC in their same label), (G)I-DLE refused to do so. Soyeon did such a great job with their music direction and keeping their concept on the line, especially after how we can obviously see the way CUBE messed up CLC.

The reason kep1er « failled » is cus of the company

The sad thing is that, now Wakesht has 18 talents, and I fear the worst is coming for kep1er and only wish the best for zb1🥺

They failed because their concept and music is both very boring and generic.

I was so into Kep1er just for Wa da da but then as more and more songs came up I lost interest in them. 😢

Self plagiarizism is so funny 😭

Do you know that if you repeat a lie 100 times it will not become the truth? 😂Kepler's success is indisputable! Only certain competitors try to deliberately manipulate people in the networks with lies! And by the way, these same people claimed about another group years ago that it was a failure! And then she was nominated for a Grammy 5 times!😂😂😂

this makes me so mad, because Kep1er could've had a LOONA-type concept, AND LOONA FANS WOULD'VE LOVED IT!! We would've killed for another group w extensive lore, but no, Wakeone fucked up and made them have a shitty no-lore no-concept release.

I think Yujin is really unfortunate cause after getting treated badly in cube as CLC and now in wake one as Kep1er

Lol, nobody knows this group as xiaoting's group so I wonder why you're lying 😂