How much does printer gamut matter for print quality, for art and photos

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Keith Cooper

Keith Cooper

Жыл бұрын

Does it really matter if one printer has a bigger gamut - does that make it better? Looking at why printer gamut is just one element of print quality to consider alongside profiling and paper choices.
Why simple comparisons of ink-sets rarely tell the whole story.
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@jessekoskinen
@jessekoskinen Жыл бұрын
I find this highly interesting. My knowledge of printers and printing is rather limited, so your content on KZfaq and on your website have been a great help. Eventually I intend to buy a printer, for my wildlife photography.
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
Thanks - I get a lot of questions which include what people think 'ought to be' true ;-) The realities are alway more complex and tinged with marketing...
@ukaszwolny424
@ukaszwolny424 Жыл бұрын
Very informative and down to earth as always Mr. Keith. Thank You
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@messylaura
@messylaura Жыл бұрын
great vid and info as always Keith
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@deraldart
@deraldart Жыл бұрын
thanks, keep up the great work
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jefffenske1958
@jefffenske1958 Жыл бұрын
Practically speaking, I found the color gamut on the Epson 7900's HDR 10 inkset to be fairly easy to reproduce most colors on high quality paper, except for reds and pinks, especially when trying to print macro flower images that had prominent shades of red or pinks, and violet. Sometimes I found that a REAL STRUGGLE! This is particularly important when that flower's red color would be a major part of the image. So when Epson announced this new inkset that included purple, I was thinking Epson has now succeeded in filling the biggest gamut gap. But they sacrificed one of the grays to do it, which I didn't think would be a big deal, but you're saying the various grays are mixed with colors too to make more accurate tonalities. So I'm a bit disappointed that Epson didn't include both. Maybe it would have cost too much to add one more ink into the machine, based on how their factory is set up. If I had a choice between light light black and violet, I'd still be inclined to choose the violet, so printing reds would be so much easier, and they could probably be more saturated as well, to make flowers with reds, pinks and/or violet colors more realistic and vivid. But I've never seen what losing light gray would do to images of all types. Since print reviewers aren't likely to ever have two printers to compare, one with violet and the other will light gray, how would we ever know for sure. Epson could easily show us the differences, but probably wouldn't want to show the disadvantages of choosing either violet or light gray. I'm mainly saying that I definitely struggled when trying to print flowers with reds, pinks or violet in them with the 7900, because the gamut was so limited. I thought they needed to add another red color before I ever heard it from others. Their choice of the addition of violet is probably perfect. In landscape prints in general, a wider red gamut may not seem important. But pinks and reds can often be prominent in many sunrise/sunset images. I struggled with getting some sunset photos to have powerful enough colors in the red/purple gamut area. It seems that Epson's addition of violet would solve these color problems I experienced, so "out of gamut" wouldn't happen as often, and they can be more easily saturated too, producing stunning skies and flowers.
@mipmipmipmipmip
@mipmipmipmipmip Жыл бұрын
These Epsons seem compromises between office and 'pro' photo printers. For larger ink sets you'll sadly need to go up in price class.
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
very true, although this video is somewhat more aimed at people with small printers, not the bigger [and older] stuff. The violet/light grey choice for the P5000/7000/9000 is a specific one for that inkset and I've spoken to several people at Epson who confirmed that in his case the violet is not recommended for photo work -it's there for the proofing market [I've no specific 7900 testing info in this respect]
@jefffenske1958
@jefffenske1958 Жыл бұрын
@@mipmipmipmipmip I was talking about the pro printers in the high price class. My experience mentioned above is from printing with the 24 inch Epson 7900, which has the Ultrachrome HDR, 10 ink inkset. I was comparing that with Epson's 7570, which has a wider color gamut in the red/pink/violet area when the violet ink is chosen instead of the light gray. The user has to choose between one of these two inks when setting up the printer, which is a permanent, irreversible decision.
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
The 7000 has the setup choice - the 7500 (7570 in some markets) has more ink channels so does not take this route
@jefffenske1958
@jefffenske1958 Жыл бұрын
​@@KeithCooper THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KEITH for explaining that! I thought we had to decide between either light gray or violet. Good for Epson to provide this fullest gamut, no compromise version, having BOTH light gray and violet! That's quite a relief! I've been frustrated for years, thinking I would have to choose one ink or the other if I ever did print big again. So Epson produced the ultimate paper printer with this huge gamut, which most photographers will ignore, because they're getting their prints printed on METAL with printers that have many less colors and a much smaller gamut - last I checked anyway. Epson's only has 4 inks (CMYK), and the other one I heard of has I think 8 inks (three being black and the grays). I think they're dye inks. You would probably know. Reflectivity is what sells prints nowadays - with many colors in nature not accurately being reproduced.
@ringperm
@ringperm Жыл бұрын
This is a question not related to the topic of this video, but I'll give it a go nonetheless. It is about printing without an ICC profile. I have an Epson XP 15000 and not all manufacturers include this printer in their ICC catalogue. Probably for good reason But I still want to ask if there are any kind tips and trick for printing without an ICC profile. Can I use an ICC profile for a similar style of paper, for instance. Or should I just avoid this alltogether? I suspect the latter, but just in case it would be an interesting subject for a video, I would love to hear your take on it 🙂
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
See my XP-15000 review for the profiles I made and a discussion about this www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-xp-15000-printer-review/
@dunnymonster
@dunnymonster Жыл бұрын
I've got a question that is perplexing me Keith lol. So my little Epson ET2650 has very limited media settings, those are 1) Epson Premium Glossy 2) Matt paper 3) Plain paper. That's ya lot! So here is my dilemma. I use Epson Premium Glossy 6 x 4 paper. In my Lightroom print module I set it to " let printer driver control colour ". In the Epson driver I select the media type to be...you guessed it, Premium Glossy. In the more options tab within the colour corrections I select " automatic ". My print comes out pretty much as per my calibrated monitor, so all is good. Just out of curiosity I printed the same image, this time in the more options tab I didn't select automatic but instead went into custom then selected " ICM ". This print comes out very dark despite everything else being exactly the same. Now perhaps I'm wrong but I was expecting both prints to be essentially the same. Why, well I've told the driver I'm using epson premium glossy ( which I actually am ) so you'd expect that irrespective of whether I select automatic or ICM its going to use the drivers I embedded ICC profile for epson premium glossy. Given that's the only one I can choose it shouldn't have other profiles it can use. Can you shed any light on why this might happen? Ironically I'd have expected the print where it was instructed to use " icm " to be the more accurate one given automatic isn't specifying that I use Epson Premium glossy's specific profile. Very odd isn't it? 🤨
@KeithCooper
@KeithCooper Жыл бұрын
ICM is a windows thing - I've not used a win pc this century ;-) This moves out of my up-to date printing experience I'm afraid - sorry This is one where I'd normally suggest asking on the printing forum at dpreview [which is still going it appears]
@dunnymonster
@dunnymonster Жыл бұрын
@@KeithCooper No worries Keith 👍 I always understood the file types of icm and icc to be interchangeable and essentially the same thus my confusion and my curiosity as to why this would make two prints with otherwise identical settings look very different. I'd assume that irrespective of if I use " automatic " or " icm " the driver would in either case be using the imbedded ICC profile for Epson Premium Glossy especially as that was the media type choice made for both prints. Perhaps under the hood one utilises perceptual rendering and the other, relative? The difference in the prints suggests its more than a rendering intent issue as the icm one is considerably darker that the visually accurate automatic setting.
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