How Soviets Reimagined Museums

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Lady Izdihar

Lady Izdihar

Жыл бұрын

Just an interesting bit I found in the book I’m currently going through!
“The Soviets” by Albert Rhys Williams 1937
Also my scanner is arriving this Thursday and I’m currently editing a long form KZfaq vid!
#soviethistory #museum #ussr #antiquebooks

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@matheusvillela9150
@matheusvillela9150 Жыл бұрын
Soviet museum guides be like: Look at this fucking literature, these nobles were MORONS. Look at this!"
@LadyIzdihar
@LadyIzdihar Жыл бұрын
Lol basically
@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482
@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 Жыл бұрын
@@LadyIzdihar if America ever becomes communist, what would happen to all the culture?
@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744
@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 Жыл бұрын
The Titanic Museum in Belfast tells an incredible story as you make your way through. You feel transported back in time as you learn about the textile industry and then shipbuilding industry in the region and what life was like, and by the time you get to the part of the "story" (the room in the museum) regarding the sinking, the environment is dark, there are little lights overhead like stars above the open sea, you hear recordings from the incident, and you leave feeling absolutely shaken, as if you have just experienced the event yourself. Truly amazing. Best museum I've ever seen due to the storytelling nature of it all. The Soviets would have approved.
@Carebearritual
@Carebearritual Жыл бұрын
had no idea about this alternative form of museums! i’ve had a weird dream / ambition to make a museum like that of modern history or the history of current events. i just always thought the regular museum format would suck for that. this is way better
@joshuaboyle217
@joshuaboyle217 Жыл бұрын
There are loads of unique ways to structure museums. I'd really suggest looking into The New Museology, edited by Peter Vergo for some groundwork. I'm doing a masters degree in Museum Studies, and honestly until I started I had no idea that there were so many ways of doing things in museums.
@JamesConollyLives5353
@JamesConollyLives5353 Жыл бұрын
This is like what the museum I work at is like
@maya07_11
@maya07_11 Жыл бұрын
oh that's cool! I haven't been to many museums in my life but i don't remember any of the ones I've visited to look like this, I'd definitely go if there were :)
@pachon8147
@pachon8147 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting! This early soviet museology resembles in many fronts to the museology developed by Riviere and the ecomuseums as center where the arts and cultures are read throught the lens of context and integration with other spheres of life and human socialization. It's curious how early soviet theories developed as preconfigurations of later theories and paradigms, some of these being very influential. But is so sad how we tend to ignore this other interpretations and developments of the early soviet thinking :(
@lisakeitel3957
@lisakeitel3957 Жыл бұрын
That's the way.
@personnenestici
@personnenestici Жыл бұрын
Instant sub
@LadyIzdihar
@LadyIzdihar Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@mynamejeff3545
@mynamejeff3545 Жыл бұрын
The Soviets were far ahead, most modern museums are like this, or at least try to be. Grouping things together based on period and artist, showing context to individual pieces and trying to give the museum visitors a more complete picture than what the object itself could tell you. Funnily, the best example of these principles I have ever seen was an exhibition on Marx in the Deutsches Historisches Museum in Berlin. It explained in detail the ideas and material circumstances of not just Marx and his peers, but the era as a whole, up to and including a working steam engine and loom. It didn't shy away from criticism or praise, and included a lengthy explanation of the antisemitism of the time, which ran rampant even in anti-capitalist and socialist circles. Though Marx initially wrote some rather... uncharitable things about jewish people and their role in capitalism, he later denounced these ideas, called for the emancipation of German jews and spent the rest of his life beefing with anti-semites. It also included a lot of interesting tidbits not even most socialist would know, such as how the use of guano (sea bird droppings) as a fertilizer influenced Marx's ideas on capitalist exploitation of the natural world. If you ever find yourself in Berlin, I heartily recommend the DHM (as well as the DDR museum if you wanna laugh at ridiculous anti-socialist propaganda)
@luyandzabavukiledlamini4693
@luyandzabavukiledlamini4693 Жыл бұрын
I've only been to like two museums in my life and I loved learning the history but it wasn't really memorable or excited!Though I'm sure I'll never be bored at a Soviet museum
@stratospheric37
@stratospheric37 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I wonder how much Soviet museology changed museology world wide or it's influence in communist countries. Isn't this the dominant form of museums today? Wow.
@khalidbinwaleed5072
@khalidbinwaleed5072 Жыл бұрын
Where you suggest buy soviet style clothes as a guy
@LadyIzdihar
@LadyIzdihar Жыл бұрын
Really you need to get Inspiration from photos and artwork from a specific period you like and then spend good time in thrift stores! Almost every piece of clothing I own is from a thrift or vintage store. Which makes it cheap as well.
@greyideasthetheliopurodon4640
@greyideasthetheliopurodon4640 11 ай бұрын
There are amazing Mongolian fossils found by soviet and other communist scientists, most of them were women. The fighting dinosaurs is one such amazing find.
@joshuaboyle217
@joshuaboyle217 Жыл бұрын
I haven't been able to find a copy of this book anywhere online. I'm currently studying an MA in Curating Collections & Heritage, I'm wondering if there's anyway we could get a version of that chapter uploaded online somewhere?
@bradnorthcote1301
@bradnorthcote1301 Жыл бұрын
A fascinating sort of precursor to China's approach to museums through the Cultural Revolution, which seems to get far more attention.
@0D_D0
@0D_D0 Жыл бұрын
Please, dear Lady Izdihar or anyone! What is the jumpy soviet tune in the background of your videos and your intro. PLEASE, I BEG YOU. I NEEED ITTTT
@musicdev
@musicdev Жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhhhh this is so cool! I knew museums didn't have to be drab and pretentious
@inzlt8142
@inzlt8142 Жыл бұрын
Sadly the nazis during operation barbarossa (the invasion of the soviet union) stole and burned alot of artifacts from museums they came across.
@Cia-Coo
@Cia-Coo Жыл бұрын
This just sounds a bit confusing to me. Were museums before the revolution different? Cause this already sounds like what museums are under capitalism, or at least under Canadian flavored capitalism. And what of the back of house practices? Talking about what the people are learning is one thing, but the primary practice of a museum is preservation of historic and scientific specimens (speaking as a museum volunteer here, the front of house is MUCH smaller than the back of house sections, and MUCH more happens behind the public displays). The book doesn't sound bad or negative in any way mind you, but it doesn't really sound like a distinct difference from Western museums? Other than maybe accessibility and I would assume/hope colonial collections (the amount of stolen Indigenous and African artifacts western museums own is astounding, I would definitely hope USSR museums either had no history of stealing from the Yupik or returned any stolen artifacts, but again, such a relationship isn't described in this video). I mean this all in good faith, I just feel like there's a lot missing here that I, as someone who works in museums, would really want to know. Does the book go more into these other areas of interest?
@Cia-Coo
@Cia-Coo Жыл бұрын
Actually on that subject, do you know any sources on USSR relations with the Yupik? That sounds like an interesting subject.
@lukabogdanovic4658
@lukabogdanovic4658 Жыл бұрын
Some literature on Yugoslavia
@hiera1917
@hiera1917 Жыл бұрын
0:55 “The anarchist prince Kropotkin?” What? 😂
@mynamejeff3545
@mynamejeff3545 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Kropotkin was born into a "princely" (meaning he was part of a dynasty that once ruled Russia, but wasn't related to the Romanovs and wasn't in line for the throne) aristocratic family, but he denounced his noble title and was disinherited even before his political activism and subsequent imprisonment and exile. Though I've got to say that "anarchist prince" sounds pretty cool
@freakishuproar1168
@freakishuproar1168 Жыл бұрын
But that's not really what the Soviets did to museums and art spaces. The USSR was great at making these grand sweeping statements and putting on an aesthetically pleasing spectacle to poorly mask the grinding oppression and poverty their fascism-dressed-as-socialism brought about. They might have had the political wherewithal to initially weaponize the fascinating paradigm shifts in art instigated by creative Russians (Rayonism and Supematism spring most immediately to mind) but once they had attained power (and liquidated all of the _actual_ leftists, anarchists and Marxists from their ranks) any officially sanctioned or even just tolerated artistic endeavour in the USSR regressed into propaganda. There was certainly a surprising amount of artistic innovation going on beneath the surface, but you had to dig pretty deeply to see past all of the ugly "socialist realism" of rosy cheeked peasants and grotesquely martial public sculpture to notice it. It took several decades for the likes of the Lianozovo Group, the Sots Art crowd, and the Moscow Conceptualists before the world started seeing any meaningful counterculture and institutional critique of museological and political systems. The only "reimagining" of a museums purpose the Soviets conducted was to reimagine the historical context of those museums collections and demand museum-goers accept it with the utmost enthusiasm and obedience.
@matheusvillela9150
@matheusvillela9150 Жыл бұрын
Whatever you say chief. Social realism was awesome
@satyakisil9711
@satyakisil9711 Жыл бұрын
Ok bougie.
@VocalBear213
@VocalBear213 Жыл бұрын
Tell me, do you take soviet (especially early post-civil war) art out of the historical context? By the first glance you do. 1. USSR periods aren't homogeneous, you know There were the revolution, civil war, war communism, NEP, collectivisation and industrialisation, wwII preparation, the war itself. And, you might be surprised, the absolute majority of the population, peasants of many generations or newly made citizens, knowing literally on their skin what was life like in the feudal-semicapitalist russian empire, supported commies and the revolutionary ideas, and what anti-communists like yourself call propaganda (in an obviously negative way) winners of the civil war, who for some time from the late 20s-late 30s had legal political power aka soviets aka councils aka bottom-top democracy (can you vote your boss or let's say some Bezos or Musk out of his position in the workplace now?) deemed as goals and plans. Plans to eradicate illiteracy, goals to build housing for the masses, to make production cheaper, the productivity of labour to grow etc. Revolutionary rhetorics in art almost completely seized to exist after the WWII , class struggle had become an ideological label - one of the harbingers of the Soviet Union's disastrous dissolution much later. Too complex of a topic to be scrutinized in the comments section
@VocalBear213
@VocalBear213 Жыл бұрын
Keeping that in mind, socialist realism isn't ugly, but your perception of it - is. Before the necessary war preparation, before bureaucracy of late Stalin and Khrushchev took complete power, when there was socialism in the USSR in late 20s- late 30s , a few hundreds million of people were sure that it was a country FOR them, they were building cities, factories, roads, transport and tools, infrastructure for themselves and for their children, not for the rich kids and exploiters' offsprings. And that mobilized enormous collective creative power, that you call ugly propaganda. How enlightening!
@slipknotboy555
@slipknotboy555 Жыл бұрын
@@VocalBear213 Very well said. It is important to note, though, that Stalin was trying to combat bureaucracy at the end of his life. Something Khrushchev and his ilk didn't like.
@shelbyspeaks3287
@shelbyspeaks3287 Жыл бұрын
Communist muslim huh?..
@LadyIzdihar
@LadyIzdihar Жыл бұрын
Yes
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