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Sucks!

People have been arguing about how the force works before even the PT.

I don’t understand the criticism of Luke

@@godzpeedx7ii75 how about how Luke defeated Vader in the 6/3 movie despite only having less training than him 🙄

​@benclark4823 he litteraly didn't tho, Vader was conflicted and wasn't fighting back full strength

Anakin Skywalker: *gets his ass kicked by Count Dooku and spends the Clone Wars learning how to defeat him, puts on leather armor for protection, and grows to be a skilled warrior Sequel Fans: “that sounds like something a Mary Sue would do”

I always took that as a line that reflected how one could play the game. Also I’m going to give Jedi Academy more lax because it was in development probably around the start of Attack of the Clones. That’s the thing, stories released before or during the Prequels are a bit iffy.

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 ???

Not technically

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 That quote is actually from the Novel Crosscurrent, where Jaden feared that using his Dark Side abilities caused him to question himself as a Jedi, but he soon learned that Kyle was trying to tell him to transcend preconceived notions regarding the Dark Side, and that it would lead him to deeper knowledge on the Force itself.

@@OfficialRaveBlitz when was it published, because continuity was also lax since 2008

He literally doesn't understand how the force works

He understands it better than sequel fans do

@@brianjordan3841sequel fans aren’t worth considering. And really, are there actual sequel fans? The only people who give a shit about the ST are the Fandem Menace and they are super obsessed with it. No one else cares enough to even remember there ever was a ST.

@@russellharrell2747 amen brother amen although anyone who gets paid to shill 4 Kathleen Kennedy n the sequel trilogy partly counts

@@iplaydodgeballexactly. Anakin used the force during podraces, and Luke somehow learned to use telekinesis without Ben ever even mentioning it to him, much less training him in that aspect of the force. Force users always needing training precludes the very first force users being able to discover the force and force powers. It’s painfully obvious that individuals can use force powers unconsciously and without training to at least some degree, perhaps through the Force itself communicating with them on some level. The introduction of Midichloreans gives a mechanism for this communication. That being said, Ray’s abilities are bordering on unbelievable but are not among the main reasons why the ST sucks.

"Who the hell are they?" - The Average Sequel Fan

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I've met sequel fans who like the older EU books.

Sequel fans are like Snyder fans, they don't fundamentally understand anything.

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God I've heard this analogy before but it's like explaining to flat earthers why the world is round, but they don't get it as much as you try to explain.

@@virgogaming6488 Snyder fans understand a lot dude stfu

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God Nah I’m just a guy who’s just doing what needs to be done.

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God 👌

Thank you.

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 one of my favourite youtubers cheers from Germany

@@rakor8914 Danke

Someday he'll have 10,000 subs! And for that momentous day, JJ should eat a thousand submarine sandwiches on screen! XD

@@saberiandream316years later and it’s just above 5k. Probably because his voice is a bit difficult to listen to after a while.

Obi-Wan could use the Jedi mind trick fresh out of the Temple, and not even as Qui-Gon's Padawan.

@@saberiandream316 No he can’t dude stfu

@@saberiandream316 not true

@@saberiandream316 it didn't do that when he was a padwan

Some force sensitives may be strong due to the powerful connection to the force and only use one force ability they can master easily. Like when Anakin was 9. Qui-Gon mentioned he has the ability to see things before they happen. And Luke mastered the ability to communicate with force ghosts. The Sunriders have a powerful force ability called Battle Meditation which makes Nomi very useful for it. Nomi had months of training with Master Thon and in later years trained with Vodo Baas, Arca Jeth, and Odan-Urr.

When?

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 when on the Falcon, Finn asked if Rey had flown before and that's what she answered. It obviously wasn't the Falcon though since its stated a few minutes earlier that it hadn't flown for years.

@@lord_destros2188 she could have just 'lied' during their run much in same vain Finn lied to Poe on knowing how to shoot with the TIEs weapons. Not to mention the Millennium Falcon is a ship that requires 2 pilots to fly effectively. Her flying the Falcon like an X-Wing is impossible if I compare it properly to the controls of the P-40 fighter to those of the B-17 Bomber. You had to have super strength to keep the B-17 up in the air for a long time as a single person. Which is why during bailing, the pilots are the last ones to leave. And to go further, never in heated moments is the copilot away from the pilot in any of the Original Trilogy films. And before you bring up the TIE attack in ANH, you don't want your pilots performing fancy maneuvers. I came across information that a Wellington Bomber gunner couldn't keep his head up experiencing less than 3Gs, and this is a bomber.

@@strategicperson95 I never brought up the Falcon except for describing the scene, I already have issue with her flying it by herself. And there's no evidence that proves Rey lied about her apparent ability to fly ships, JJ probably thought that all ships in sw can be flown regardless of how they're made.

@@lord_destros2188 Doubt it

The Jedi aren't saints either, y'know

@@jeremyallen492 That’s false

This channel isn’t toxic stfu

"Man-babies" for life!

@@saberiandream316 My taste buds can handle a little bit of toxicity every once in a while

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God I agree

Toxicity isn't cool, man. Isn't it wonderful to discuss things in a calm and reasonable manner, we should attract others as a fandom and not scare them away

The games are looser with canon when it comes to Gameplay and should not always be taken litterally.

Something tells me you didn't watch the video.

@@BrandontheAwesome something tells me you are not into abstract thinking...

@@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617 Something tells me you're an idiot.

This is what the original nightsisters in the EU went over. The Nightsisters didn’t see the force are the dark side or light.

All of that is false. She IS a Mary Sue and there is already prove that debunked your entire points already

@@vincegreen973 and what's that since she's far from a mary sue

Oh boy where do I begin? First of all, she wasn't struggling to get food. Second, just scavenging for parts of a star destroyer will not help you at all with flying it, let alone the Falcon which is completely different. The era doesn't matter, the Falcon is a one-man ship while a star destroyer requires an entire crew. Third, Rey is NEVER said to be the Chosen One and we are never told her midichlorian count. And even if she did she would still need A LOT of training to be able to do any of the things she did even if she had every midichlorian in the galaxy. Also, Luke rejected her at first but it took little to no effort to convince him to do it. When does Anakin immediately escape the separatists? The resistance didn't lose, they won because Rey is Mary Sue and kills Palpatine with no help. And Leia may have training her but that was way after she did things she shouldn't have. And training for a few months doesn't cut it, it takes YEARS to become a Jedi. And Anakin is 100% the Chosen one NOT Rey. And it may be JJ's movie but it is not his franchise and it's not Disney's either. Owning the legal rights does NOT make it yours. George Lucas creating the story and the franchise so it is his. That doesn't mean no one can make star wars content, they just have to be consistent with what George created. Also, WTF ARE YOU ON?! Jar Jar was never in RotJ. To sum it up, everything you just said is wrong.

​@@windshieldflipers9294 1 she was, in the force Awakens she had to get incredible mounths of credits for food, 2 Yes The Falcon And Star Destroyers Are Different But Their Still Simlar And The Falcons Not A 1 Man Ship 3 True We Dont Know Her Midiclorian Count, But The Chosen One Is Whoever Destroys The Sith Rey Did That By Killing Palpatine, and the midiclorian count would probably be around anakin if she is the chosen one 4 Yes Rey Needs Training That's The Point Of The Last Jedi For Luke To Train Her 5 yea luke did give in after a moment but for context luke thought about it for a good few hours and it's so he could say his way of thinking 6 in revenge of the sith during Palpatine's rescue they were captured and immediately escaped after a scene 7 i was refearing to the Last Jedi not the rise of Skywalker 8 rey had help from ben solo and the force ghosts of the jedi, a few months can look at luke in the 6 months between empire and return of the jedi he managed to defeat vader without formal training 9 uhh NO, ANAKIN DIDN'T KILL PALPATINE, Well He Did But He Was Revived, Rey Finally Put The Sith Lord Down 10 IT'S ABSOLUTELY DISNEY'S FRANCHISE WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT Why Cant They Do What They Want With A Franchise THEY PAID 4 BLILION FOR 11 Look Up The Special Edition ending to return of the jedi you hear jar jar voice So everything you just said is wrong Oh and for good measure Rey's A Skywalker, it's cannon, not debatable

@@2ndofficercharleslightolle878 1. Even if she was struggling, it wouldn't be very much since she's clearly perfectly healthy and not dead. And that supposed slight struggle is short lived, as she leaves the planet the same day she's introduced 2. When are we told that star destroyers and the falcon are similar? They are completely different. And the falcon IS a one man ship since Rey was able to fly it by herself. And once again, knowing what parts of a ship are worth, does not equate to knowing how to fly one 3. Anakin is said to be the chosen one AND he was the one who destroyed the sith. Yes, the sith come back, but the prophecy never said that they would be gone for good. And Anakin needed training to get to as powerful as he did. 4. How did Rey use mind tricks and defeat a highly trained Kylo Ren BEFORE getting trained by Luke? 5. A few hours of convincing isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things 6. They didn't escape immediately, they were taken to Grievous and had to fight they're way out. Also, Anakin had the help of Obi Wan and R2. 7. They only lost in TLJ because Mary Sue wasn't there to save them until the end 8. If force ghosts can do all the crazy shit they did, why didn't they do it to help Luke in ROTJ? Also, Luke had more training than Rey and was still struggling against Vader. And Vader was holding back because he wanted to turn Luke to the dark side not kill him. Also Luke only defeats Vader cause he taps into the dark side and uses his anger. He also needed Vader to save him from Sidious. 9. Anakin defeated the sith, but of course they didn't stay gone, that doesn't mean that he's not the chosen one. 10. Disney owns the rights to the franchise. That doesn't mean they can change everything that George Lucas created. They bought the franchise from him and then immediately stabbed him in the back and milked it to death. They need to follow the rules of the universe that were established long before they got their shitty hands on it. 11. I have rewatched ROTJ and Jar Jar is most definitely not in it at all. And even if he was that doesn't break continuity or contradict anything. Unlike having Rey do a bunch of shit she shouldn't have been able to do, or changing the rules of the force or hyperspace. Take another month to think of new arguments for me to completely debunk.

She beat Kylo Ren in their first battle. When it came to Luke fighting Vader at Bespin, HE LOST. "It's magic" is really code for "Don't Think, Just Consume." Now I'm someone who accepts the Disney canon's explanation, but most normies never read those books, so do they count? Lucasfilm prioritizes the casual fans over all other customers, so I don't count it.

@@saberiandream316 She beat Kylo in their first battle, yes. That doesn’t mean anything. Kylo was injured and lost pints of blood. Finn, someone who lost to a stormtrooper in a melee fight, was able to fight better against Kylo. This means Kylo was easier to fight than a First Order stormtrooper in that duel. Luke “lost” in TESB sure. Rey lost in TROS and TLJ. My guy, anyone who unironically says “dOnT tHiNk jUst cOnsuMe” cannot be taken seriously. The Force is magic. Lucas himself has said this. There are no hard magic rules to the Force like there are in other things. I honestly haven’t a clue what your point is in the rest of what you’re saying.

@@ReySkywalker2 except there was an establishment of rules the force had. By Lucas. This was literally in the beginning of the video. And it’s indisputable

@@ReySkywalker2 Can you provide a source for the George quote? Because context matters. Something JJ Plagiarisms has done. Can you?

@@kingorange7739 There was never, ever any hard rules for the force. Lucas never made any rules, explicitly nor implicitly. Every film added a new force ability and no “training” or amount of learning was ever needed to learn any of them. The video at the start doesn’t prove anything lol. This is indisputable.