My brain hurts. I thought I was smart but I am no longer think that. 😂

Gnostic Sausages are the wurst!

All-around brilliant guest, excellent episode.

1:42:42 “well, he’s old”… 🤣🤣🤣 That was adorable… She’s adorable! I wish I had someone like her in my circle of friends when I was in my 20s… I never had someone like that to have these types of conversations…. All my friends were into nightclubs and partying… I wanted to read and accumulate as much knowledge as I could… I was always so thirsty for information… 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️😅

Great interview, Ben. Not an easy one either.

Great guest! Much better at synthesis than Hegel was.

Wow, she actually understands this stuff unlike so many philosophy grads I hear talking about it. Sadly everyone at this point just assumes youre bullshitting like the rest of 'em.😂

So many finding holy orthodoxy lately including myself, love it

It’s always neat seeing who’s behind an anonymous account I was already following.

1:00:40 Benjamin switches from mostly (probably) playing advocate, to perfectly encapsulating the answer to this important question. FORCING SPECIFIC VALUES ON PPL IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE STATE. If this is impossible to avoid, at least to some extent, then the State should be as small as possible (as I recently heard Milei articulate, it simply can't be significantly smaller right now for practical reasons, applies just as well to US) AND it must only enforce a thin ethical framework, that just so happens to coincide with the minimal necessary features of practical governance.

"Right is might, it's sharpness cuts through time."

Holy shit this was profound - I had great fun in the Live chat, vibing off the discussion. Wish you had the Live Chat Replay. Who woulda thunk it: Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem as antidote to the Gnostic calculus of Progressive Liberalism ! Christ is King

40:05 - Anarcho-tyranny? That's something Auren McIntyre was talking about a few weeks ago.

Wow on the car story ❤

One of the best guests by far

this woman rocks. great interview

1:26:23 aha! Another piece of the puzzle falls into place… She’s alright… She’ll make it there eventually… Hehehe… Keep it up, girl! You got his! 😘🙏

Very interesting.

We really are in an era where political labels are being transcended.

thank you. this is super interesting.

bummed I missed this one. She's an amazing kid.

I would love to hear her in a conversation with James Lindsay. Similarly with Wokal Distance, but please make sure Wokal takes his ADHD meds first.

👍 One possible higher purpose would be a curiosity about what kinds of things are true, in that nature is the harshest, least forgiving possible teacher out there. If people can see the value and the utility in having access to more accurate understandings of the world, and being able to communicate about what they expect to be accurate, there is a motive there for being a more responsible, pro-social custodian of a reasonably common language pattern. A motive that precedes religion or secularism, because it provides a very basic kind of value. Language is a tool that is inherently meant to conform to communicative needs and to morph over time, but the way we insist on authoritatively standardized language use makes it more open to abuse as a tool of mass manipulation. It's really important to get in your head that you choose yourself what words to use and where, and it's you using them as a tool. Codified language, however, can be a different matter. Glossaries are a communicative technology that has become so prevalent for a reason (it's not there to determine what a word must mean now and forever, but instead be a shortcut towards the intended concept behind a word, within a particular text). Instead of changing the concept behind a word, the pro-social action would be to change the outdated word form to match the original concept. What postmodernists do is antisocial by nature.

"If you remove subjectivity...if everything is a reflection of everything else, you've accomplished that ontological object in and of itself". Brilliantly summarized. I'm not sure I agree with this statement (I realize it's a well-articulated paraphrase of an argument for purposes of critique in this context,) but to the extent that I find it plausible, it almost reminds me of Zen Buddhism. (Bringing up this topic jumps the gun on the end of my month-long YT art project, conducted mostly for my own amusement). As we'd all agree: for the State to attempt to do something that could perhaps be described as 'forcing the entire populace to become enlightened' (enlightened on a culturally specific, largely figurative definition,) is probably like trying to force a plant or tree to grow more quickly, by instituting laws of forced compliance.

1:29:46 - Early Masons were apparently Hermetic and we have a lot of that built into the architecture and streets of cities like Washington DC and San Francisco.

How the Gnostic sausage is M.A.I.D.

If you'd like, you could consider having Robert M. Price on to explain Gnosticism. James Lindsey and the "everything "gnostic"" crowd don't tend to know a whole lot about it. The comparisons are loosey-goosey and they never seem to get into the differences between Gnosticism and the radical left. For one, not only does Gnosticism not prescribe utopia, it rules it out it's possibility in principle. Robert can sweep through thousands of years of the history of religious ideas. He'd give you and your viewers a much more accurate and comprehensive view of Gnosticism.

How do I find this woman?

I really, really liked her discernment on Christian Nationalism. Would you please sit down with Lindsay and Pageau, and explain this? I know both of them better than they know each other, and they can be reconciled easily in my view.

Love these titles...go right side 😂

Again, here's the thing abt ethnicities and religions: ethnicities are defined largely by shared, bundled group traits. However, evolution is not exact, not even close. Maybe 30-40% of an ethnicity could be outliers from the general behavioral norms, in certain cases. Now let's say that what a big religion does, is typically to codify the MAJORITY of shared ethnic behavioral traits, in a ritual system. Then, outsiders who happen to have more similar bundled traits to the majority, than intra-ethnic outliers, would likely be deemed viable converts. So, it's not just a matter of religion OR ethnicity, nor just a matter of religion AND ethnicity. It's potentially inter-ethnic bundled behavioral traits, ritually incorporated within "extended phenotype".

19:00 . I understand the desire to be fair, but that bit about ectopic pregnancy is a ridiculous stretch. Surely there's a valid example comparison on the right?

1:10:47 oh, that explains her surface level understanding of Christianity… Yeah, she’s got a lot of reading ahead of her still… God bless her! 🥰🙏

Man you need to stop having these cool talks when I'm studying for the Bar. My queue's getting too long! 😢

1:14:36 “sounded like a nail to hammer me”… hehehe… My apologies, I don’t meant to make fun of her but I can’t help getting this imagery in my head when she talks… She’s on the right path, but she’s still got a bit more ways to go before she can act this authoritative on a given subject matter…

*Benjamin asks Anna Khachiyan's little sister if we should rewrite the Constitution using Christianity* LOL.

36:41 - During the Enlightenment the Masonic lodges were sort of like speak-easies for intellectuals who wanted to be able to think, share ideas, etc. with others and since Kabbalah / Cabala / Qabalah was popular through the Renaissance along with alchemy you had both as strong elements of Masonry (that and you had early Masons like Elias Ashmole doing a lot of this). Mystical humanism seemed to cool into secular humanism which is where the Hebrew and Christian mysticism made their overt exit (although John Gray would still call secular humanism a Christian heresy).

20:28 - 'I think the only way to fix this is through a different framing of the world' - in other words it'll go away when we have 'real' problems again. It seems without crisis we have no 'orienting meaning', which then means Darwinian evolution takes over and Darwinian evolution looks like everyone putting the individual and nuclear family status competition over the well-being of the nation (late Rome as well as current US stuff) and lies are perfectly fine so long as they either grow your individual stature or harm an enemy/enemies.

1:08:55 I’m no Jewish, but Im pretty sure the messiah was not expected to come mostly to save the Jews from Romans… It was far more than that… I’m not sure she knows what Christianity is especially the first 1200 of it… How it fought off all types of heresies, like Gnosticism, and was used as the bedrock for the formation of the many national States from the Atlantic to Constantinople…

Benjamin, I'd like to see you talk to someone more knowledgeable about Kabbalah and other mystical teachings from the inside. I also would like to get some other takes on Hegel. For instance I was talking to a guy I know on the right the other day and he didn't see Hegel's reference to the State as strictly the goverrnment per se. I think we could benefit from more nuance on the discussion of mysticism and such than I am seeing out there now.

Right Side, I'd like to be able to follow this conversation more closely, get a fuller understanding of the points you make, to basically appropriate the material you are exploring here. Have you got a reading list for me???? 🙏

I've been describing cultural Christianity lately, as arguably reducible to "phenotype," borrowing partly from Dawkins (Benjamin's least favorite, because we like to listen to different playlists). This doesn't mean that new immigrant groups should be required to go to church or anything like that, but if the Christian ethos is built into Western CULTURE, then it should presumably be transmitted as a necessary consequence of normal assimilation. Here's why I could have been considered one of those moderate Liberal-types, who took the Christian ethical framework somewhat for granted: Because, yes, if new Americans were ACTUALLY BEING ASSIMILATED under a normal policy (like they always used to be) then it WOULD be essentially a given, that the general CULTURE is being adequately instantiated.

13:00 Fair challenges Benjamin, as always. But of course, the apparatus of government in this country was intended to enable civil society (its individual/group citizen constituents) to shape affairs as much as possible, based on their own interests, within the widest reasonable parameters. So, bloated government is a problem? In accordance with the broad limiting parameters of our system, it is primarily the responsibility of citizens to become informed, organize, and agitate in favor of their interests. (In this case, to address or circumvent the problem of bloated government). How does this manifest? It can take many forms in our eclectic free society, which contains lots of territory. One major way, involves ppl voting with their feet. If the main symptoms of government dysfunction include ideological capture and overregulation, then ppl increasingly move to states where these are mostly absent. As this migration occurs, the culture gradually shifts. In large part, we are seeing civil society ACTUALLY WORK the way it's supposed to right now. My general concern with the NRx, is that too many ppl associated with the movement might lack the necessary, relative perspective, abt how well things already work, and thereby accidentally create worse outcomes.

I heat up, I can't cool down You got me spinning 'Round and 'round 'Round and 'round and 'round it goes Where it stops nobody knows I see magic in your eyes I hear the magic in your sighs Just when I think I'm gonna get away I hear those words that you always say Abra abracadabra I wanna reach out and grab ya Abra abracadabra Abracadabra "Because you are so phenomenally intelligent and connected to something and ah, your position in history is really important." Just asking for a friend; Are you aware of who you where last time, or do you sample them all? I met another lady last summer who's existence was punctuated unmisatkenly by the presence of a thousand recalcitrant souls. Mostly just hanging out. When they work their majic via the ether, and teach you belief, 1. there is no mistaking what you just experienced in a sequence of events 2. you pinch yourself as to not be mistaken 3. one is forever altered 4. even doubt, some worldly explanation lingers but never dwells 5. meet them by all means, but you dont want to meet her, ever ;) "I Stuck around St. Petersburg When I saw it was a time for a change Killed the Tsar and his ministers Anastasia screamed in vain I rode a tank, held a general's rank When the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name Oh, yeah Ah, what's puzzlin' you is the nature of my game Aww, yeah"

never constrained, just slowed on it's trip to totality

Never trust someone who moves around so much when talking.

YES

HegelBorg!

Here is how a scientist thinks: I don't know anything. I make an observation. Now I know something. With this observation, I can predict the future and assume the past. How ACCURATELY I can do so depends on the quantity and quality of my observations. I always strive to increase the number of observations I can make or increase the quality of my observations to get more ACCURATE predictions. All this word salad trying to generalize to the point of absurdity is to deceive you into thinking a scientific observation is a true/false statement when it is a statement that has been demonstrated repeatedly to be within 95% ACCURATE. It isn't, if I drop this apple will it fall? It is: Given this height, the apple will hit the ground in exactly this many seconds, +/- 5%.

The lore to the state braking its rules is more convoluted than Disney's Star Wars. TL:DR: the state breakes it's own rules because it can. And ppl who come up with convoluted fairy tales to explain it are full of sht.

A 25 year old girl that looks 50... strange.

Great

1:08:55 I appreciate her passion, but sounds to me she’s got a few more years of reading, especially the Bible, the catechism of Trent and early Church history, first 500yrs at least, to be able to speak more about all this… She’s like a hammer seeing nails everywhere, but some of those nails ain’t nail at all…

Benjamin, your neo-reaction is showing ;)

1:16:00 makes me wonder whether her car has a towing hitch?

1:52:40 - I'm wondering if Right Side has ever read Valentin Tomberg or Robert Powell? It's a really interesting historic novelty in the sense that it's a Martinist who passed away in the late 1960's willing a set of essays that he wrote to the 22 tarot keys (he was Russian, who also spoke English, but wrote it in French and Robert Powell translated it back out of French), and he used that as a jumping off point to try and reconcile Hermeticism to Catholicism as well as parallel great church mystics with 18th and 19th century French occultists. I have sometimes wondered whether it might be the case that there's something in the mystery traditions that the upper class needs to stay virtuous, something like a mandatory set of mysteries structured to point them at their fiduciary responsibilities of having power rather than sizing each other up.

Shes sharp, i dont care for Boyce but she's precocious and inspiring in a way. Will follow.

43:30 Yeah, but the more we study and empirically understand various phenomena, the more we can realistically decipher an ontological rendering. Edit: Hegel makes that assumption that you mention, but most scientists probably do as well. (Just to say, it's not limited to Hegel).

About 1.5 hours in and like Ms. Hagel. I really like how she thinks, but mostly her focus on articulation. She is also quite attractive, as well, so... bonus 🐈

just finished watching her podcast breaking down another debate with another former guest- andrew wilson. she's wicked smahht and yet shes wants to start off like einstein and go into patent law. Told her finance is gonna pull her away from law so fast to get biomedical device insights.

A very smart young woman, I wouldn't want to face off against her in a court room. I don't agree with this "Leftism is Gnosticism" meme though. The analogy between the limits imposed on us by natural reality (which leftist Utopians ignore) and the limits allegedly imposed on us by Nobodaddy the Sky King doesn't strike me as a useful one. It's perfectly possible to be spiritually gnostic and politically conservative. I did enjoy the way Right Side got progressively crazier over the course of the interview until she finally just said that she's a Christian because someone on Twitter had a premonition of her car crash. Female religion in a nutshell. 😜

>how based are you That was as painfully awkward as it was because it is exactly as cringe as it sounds. Like asking someone how vibing or crunchy they are.

Poor ben trying to put on a good face through al this word salad

1st Amendment is still here. So's the 2nd. Doesn't seem like it "always" anything... 13:30

❤ Orthodoxy is the way!

Never heard of her... wow, she sounds so much younger than she looks. (not talking about the content, just her voice)

I read a book by Joseph Campbell and he describes a scenario in which Yahweh is a demi-god or a god's 'child' who created the Earth and the Garden of Eden as a sort of 'terrarium' if that's not too meta, or a science fair sort of thing. The serpent, prior to Christianity, was the messenger between god(s) and men. Yahweh told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge because they would find out that he wasn't THE God, so THE God sent the Serpent to enlighten them. Then Yahweh, who was a petulant child cast them out.

This a troon?

God doesn't exist so despite all her intellectual pursuits everything she concludes is negated.

Talk about nothing.

Will watch on Od_see

Society isn’t run according to a philosophy or a personal belief; it the other way round- beliefs and philosophies originate in the people of a society. The concept absent here is that of society; the existence of a web of interconnected relationships which bind all members of a society to that society. That is probably because this discussion starts from the misconception that the United States of America is the ideal or most advanced nation. It is no more than the latest iteration of an enlightenment nation, the ultimately rational nation state.

If everyone is subjective and there's no truth. Thats fine. Eventually you'll need a set of actions to govern a group of subjective humans

I'm a fan of liberalism and neo reaction. Boyce. Your good at giving a lot. We don't need another I'm with a camp. We need a im bringing liberalism and NRX with me both. Into the future