How The Super League Would Work Without English Teams

How The Super League Would Work Without English Teams | Explained

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Жыл бұрын

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When it comes to the European Super League’s failed launch in April 2021, there is one version of the story that has become most popular among the many who opposed it - that the competition was announced on Sunday evening, was instantly met with fury by fans, journalists, players, managers, football federations and politicians, and within 48 hours had totally collapsed, such was its unpopularity. But that is not wholly accurate.
Yes, the announcement was quickly met with protests by fans and was condemned by UEFA and FIFA, who had previously warned that players could be disqualified from playing in the World Cup if they took part in a breakaway competition like the Super League. And yes, all six English clubs quickly performed a u-turn and withdrew from the project, Milan, Inter and Atletico Madrid all followed them, while Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli, who had just stepped down as the chairman of the European Club Association as one of the ring leaders of the Super League, swiftly admitted defeat, telling Reuters on Wednesday: “I don’t think that project is still up and running.”
But the idea that the Super League was dead and buried from that day forward is wrong, with Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus all staying loyal the project. Five months later in September, Barça president Joan Laporta declared “the project is alive” and “UEFA cannot stop it”, while UEFA warned that the Super League was still “an ongoing existential threat to the foundations and future of European football.”
Fast forward to July 2022, and a two-day hearing took place at the European Court of Justice, as the company that helped launch the Super League sought to address whether UEFA and FIFA had broken the law by threatening to expel the 12 original Super League clubs from their competitions, and whether a breakaway competition would be protected from such threats in the future. And while an answer won’t be heard until December, Matt Slater recently wrote in the Athletic, “the arguments heard in the Luxembourg-based court suggest the European Super League, or something similar, will be back at some point.”
This also comes during a transfer window in which the English Premier League’s spending power has come into even greater focus, with newly-promoted Nottingham Forest (€141.1M) racking up a higher net spend than Bayern Munich (41.6), Borussia Dortmund (29.6), Milan (26.2), Inter (24.5) and Atletico Madrid (15.2) combined (137.1), and with Marseille and Barcelona the only non-English clubs to rank in the top ten highest net spenders in Europe at the time of writing.1
In August, Adriano Galliani, a former Milan director who is now the general director of Serie A newcomers Monza, suggested that a new super league should be formed that excludes the English clubs due to the Premier League’s superior financial might.
But could the Super League actually return? Would UEFA be unable to stop it? And if so, could the English clubs actually be left out? On today’s EFD Explained, we’re going to take a look.
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@italo_scemo9202 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know guys but here in Italy all I hear is that English clubs don’t want to join the ESL because they’re already in one: the Premier League🤷🏻‍♂️

@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 Жыл бұрын

In spain we think the same

@sharkasattack7794 Жыл бұрын

The fans don’t want the English clubs to join because it goes against the tradition of football in England, namely earning your place at the top table. It also would do so in Spain and Italy. Galliani at Monza wouldn’t be saying what he said if it became apparent that Monza (a relatively small club) were to be kept out on the basis of a snapshot in time. Clubs already get in to the Champions League on the basis of history now so these big clubs don’t even have to succeed and UEFA will still wipe their arses for them. Madrid and Barca were more than happy to use their financial muscle to keep other clubs out. They were signing their own TV deals for years which exacerbated this. Italy has long had a reputation for money changing hands deciding outcomes in football. That isn’t the fault of English football. Also, I believe loads of owners in Italy are American and are used to the closed shop model that they have over in the USA that protects them from failure. The Premier League has been damaging to football in a lot of ways but clubs from other countries still win plenty, see Real Madrid inexplicably winning three straight Champions Leagues. Man United are a prime example of money being no use if you don’t know what you are doing with it.

@finlay1702 Жыл бұрын

It is true I guess, I dont think foreign leagues realise how much we love our league, the majority of fans prefer watching the league then UCL and I don’t think any other league do the same

@simonlane6368 Жыл бұрын

Super league is OK as long as no English clubs and relegation/promotion.

@Alphoric Жыл бұрын

But the prem is domestic you mug

@Ryan-pw6rt Жыл бұрын

Madness how forest have a higher net spend than Bayern, Dortmund, Atletico and both Milan clubs combined

@noname-ot7vd Жыл бұрын

But forest have competed in champions League in god knows how long so it's kind of irrelevant.

@chilldude30 Жыл бұрын

Well, they've won the champions league/European Cup more than most of those teams

@famousalbo4480 Жыл бұрын

@@chilldude30 50 years ago

@capello85 4 ай бұрын

Estate countries teams created inflation in football and other leagues can't compete,ESL is the solution

@Whatever-vn8qy 4 ай бұрын

@@chilldude30 AC Milan won more champions leagues than all London clubs combined. Show some respect

@GeliCarlosJ Жыл бұрын

Easy ways to make it popular with fans 1. Cheaper tickets 2. DO NOT say its a closed shop 3. (for non EPL fans) not include EPL clubs & frame it as tryna get even to them financially and not get beaten my mid tablers like Villa, Leicester, Brighton etc. in the transfer market

@Guggex Жыл бұрын

Doubt this will go down well with Bundesliga. So it's dropping two of the current top four leagues from the get go in that case.

@12thMandalorian Жыл бұрын

100% agreed, I’d love that

@12thMandalorian Жыл бұрын

@@Guggex won’t be missed, they are a one team league anyway

@MrSmith1984 Жыл бұрын

@@12thMandalorian Nothing stopping Bayern Munich & Dortmund from simply leaving the Bundesliga in favour of the ESL. In fact Bayern almost left the former back in the early 2000s.

@noooname2568 Жыл бұрын

I think most fans would still say 🖕 to those ‘pros’

@shaun_seow Жыл бұрын

The current state of the English Premier League is the same as what the Serie A was in the 80s and early 90s. Serie A was then the top 'premier' league to play for, attracting world class players with high wages funded by millionaires and conglomerates. So why is everybody over-reacting to the success of the EPL?

@nibirchowdhury 8 ай бұрын

Jealously

@Hargazer Жыл бұрын

As long as market inflation and wages haven't been addressed by UEFA, the Super League will remain an issue. A sort of reverse Bosman arrest needs to happen.

@dongwopo7165 Жыл бұрын

Terrible idea

@mihirarora896 Жыл бұрын

According to me change is needed big clubs are dying slowly while english clubs are making the transfer market inflated and are ready to give big wages to players who are not that good

@sleevemcdichael5841 Жыл бұрын

Why don't UEFA and These super league goons team up instead of fighting. Have the CL as a straight cup competition with no group stages. Then have a European Super League so all these greedy clubs can make even more money. If all games can be played mid-week then domestic competitions go ahead as normal. Everybody should be happy then.

@barry4649 Жыл бұрын

@@sleevemcdichael5841 that’s what should be happening 100% with maybe the top 4 at the end of the season going into playoffs after the domestic season finishes to be the semifinals and final to keep that Champions League final money there because it’s the most watched sport event in the world apart from the World Cup final

@scoop687 Жыл бұрын

@@sleevemcdichael5841 I think the issue for UEFA is mainly if you have both competitions then it devalues the champions league. Which competition will be deemed the more 'superior' competition? I don't think they would like being second to the super league

@sleevemcdichael5841 Жыл бұрын

@@scoop687 Well what will stop the super league creating its own knockout competition to replace the CL? Nothing if the court ruling goes their way...unless UEFA swallow their pride and cooperate that is.

@vaughncoolman8273 Жыл бұрын

stop watching it on television then and buying kits, that's where the financial advantage is coming from

@funkyamii Жыл бұрын

Without FFP being enforced, and a wage cap of some sort being implemented - I am sure at some point SeriaA, BuLi and La Liga will join hands for a super league of some sort. The financial gap of lower half of EPL and top clubs outside EPL has been shrinking, and they have the right to find new avenues of income.

@finlay1702 Жыл бұрын

I hope Fulham Newcastle Everton etc get bought out and become amazing

@nibirchowdhury 8 ай бұрын

@@finlay17021 down 2 to go

@dinohermann1887 8 ай бұрын

@@finlay1702Newcastle was already bought out (by the Saudi PIF).

@ossiaigbedo7223 Жыл бұрын

Most of the other European super clubs priced themselves out of the current game. Barcelona offering ludicrous wages, psg paying way over the odds and handing out ridiculous contract like control of the club to a player. Of course offering Benzema a contract that would “give investment and business opportunities in Qatar”

@Ule_blood Жыл бұрын

Psg can throw money around cause Qatar, but here’s the thing this isn’t. About them , this is about juve, Milan, and Inter being outcompetes by Brighton, or Real a well run side having to resort to extreme conservatism and a transfer policy which effectively means plundering mostly south amartican sides for young talent they can develop cause the European market is insane in the money that it throws around

@chilldude30 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, neymars fee to PSG really kicked off the crazy wage inflation. And it ended up ruining their leagues and benefiting England.

@rezaarmeynaldo7372 Жыл бұрын

It'll happen again, It's inevitable given the money involved. It's just like back then when 20 english clubs formed a breakaway competition, the premier league.

@reganbrannigan3006 Жыл бұрын

There were 22 not 20

@deceo2119 Жыл бұрын

Leon Bailey traded battling for champions league places with leverkusen for Aston Villa. He didn't do this for the pride of the villa badge, he did it because English teams can pay so much more than German ones. Bayern is the only German team that can offer players wages that can compete with big English teams. But people blame bayern for the lack in competition in Germany. Truth is, premier league weakens other leagues by buying best players from other countries.

@Patrick-mn7bg Жыл бұрын

This it not totally true! German top teams can pay wages as English teams but not the transfer fee, which is heavily inflated if British teams are involved! If you compare Dortmund for example with Nottingham you will see, that Nottingham can spend way more in transfer fees, however the salaries are much lower. Dortmund pays Reus 300k a week I would imagine that this would be in the top 6 in England.

@barry4649 Жыл бұрын

That’s because the Premier League has marketed itself way better than any other league in world sport arguably

@deceo2119 Жыл бұрын

@@Patrick-mn7bg sure, the essence of the problem I'm pointing towards still exists though. The decrease in quality accross european leagues is due to the financial advantage of premier league teams.

@deceo2119 Жыл бұрын

@@barry4649 The financial advantage of english teams is responsible for the drop in quality in other European leagues. The question of "how they got their financial advantage" isn't relevant to my point.

@barry4649 Жыл бұрын

@@deceo2119 but that’s not the English teams fault, the other leagues need to find ways to compete for international viewership instead of trying to start this crap

@insertname8451 Жыл бұрын

Here's my suggestion: create a European Union "Premier League". How would it work? - The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd division of each country stays the same. - To decide who goes into the 20 spots of the EUPL in the first year, the top 4 teams from each EU country go into playoffs until 20 are chosen. - Then, each year 4 teams get relegated and go back to their domestic leagues. The teams who ended #1 in their national 1st division go into playoffs to be promoted into the EUPL. Advantages: - it's fair unlike the system proposed by the superleague - national leagues become more interesting and competitive because you won't have teams like Bayern, PSG, Real, etc. winning the league (almost) every year - the big teams go into a more competitive and widely broadcasted league which will give them more money to compete with the PL

@matthewpartridge9623 Жыл бұрын

But those big teams are one of the, if not the main reason they are able to generate the income they do at the moment. Take them away from the leagues and there will be lower attendances, lower value tv rights and lower prize money all round

@truechaosmulala3831 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewpartridge9623 not necessarily in the 2nd Bundesliga some clubs have more fan attendance in their stadiums then a lot of English clubs

@chilldude30 Жыл бұрын

I'm English, so wouldn't be involved (which is probably a good thing for the EU league and the EPL anyway) but I think that's actually a really cool idea. Would be exciting and have promotion and relegation with is utterly vital. Also it's really necessary for many of the European leagues to remove their dominating teams eg psg. Although it might just leave the domestic leagues in a terrible position financially and destroy them. Its a hard one

@willgimenez5188 Жыл бұрын

To make domestic leagues stronger they should join countries leagues together eg Spain, Portugal or Germany, Holland, Belgium ect

@insertname8451 Жыл бұрын

@@willgimenez5188 I think that's a good idea to be honest. I'm Portuguese and I wouldn't mind joining Spain and Andorra in a league, for example. We could even join the 2nd, 3rd, etc. divisions as well. It could be a stepping stone to create a EU league further into the future as well.

@syedhussainabbasnaqvi3985 Жыл бұрын

As its now becoming more clearer than ever the PL is the super league so the rest of European clubs have the create the super league of their own with or without the english teams to stand a chance of competing in the transfer market & paying competitive salaries or else become feeder clubs to the epl

@finlay1702 Жыл бұрын

Yep and it’s the best for a reason, I love it, it’s just perfect, the super league couldn’t create it as beautiful as the premier league, hope it doesn’t get destroyed

@southerner6852 Жыл бұрын

Or they could improve their own damn leagues

@socialjoins Жыл бұрын

Or barca & realmadrid shoul stop taking 70% of the tv rights from the rest of the league. The leagues a mess because they don't share money. This is end result. Just being relegated gets you 100 mill in division 1. La liga doesn't care when teams get relegated to segunda. Instead of blaiming EPL. Make a better product in their own league.

@Daniel-nt5gh Жыл бұрын

No League can be called a Super if the best team in history is not there.

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-nt5gh Yes, I agree! Though Hibernian did play in the inaugural European Cup, they won't be invited into the ESL and it cannot be called a Super league without them! I assume Barca would be too scared to have them in and are still traumatized by what happened when they did play them in Europe, even though that was years ago! The Barca players certainly threw a tantrum about being knocked out by the mighty Hibees! (However, they should be looking at the positives. Holding Hibs to a 4-4 draw in the first leg at the Nou Camp, must surely be the greatest achievement in Barca's history!)

@aspursy7826 Жыл бұрын

I totally understand why other leagues and certain teams want this break away super leauge, but its not the Premier Leagues fault for producing an extremely successful worldwide product. Maybe La liga and Co should look at themselves more and see how they can do the same - I feel the Premier League could be punished for their own success here! At the end of that day, Serie A and La liga are super huge Leauges which boasts some of the biggest, if not the biggest teams in them, so I think it's up to them to take responsibility and tip the balance. Choosing the easy way out with this all but novelty super leauge idea feels a commercial disaster.

@dennisaddo2609 Жыл бұрын

The problem is they have completely incompetent people running those Leagues. Especially in La Liga. This season a lot of Spanish teams are struggling to sign and register players all because of this strict salary cap imposed by La Liga. That makes it difficult for them to compete with other clubs.

@aspursy7826 Жыл бұрын

@@dennisaddo2609 Absolutely I agree, thats my point. These top leauges like La liga need look at themselves on how they structure certain aspects...the commercial side seems the obvious one. Also, the culture and type of football played, for example Serie A have openly admitted they need to look ways to keep the game following in terms of ball in play, all very negative! Thats one reason amongst many reasons why they have lost commercial revenue over recent times.

@Ule_blood Жыл бұрын

@@dennisaddo2609 yeah cause being laxxed about finances did Italy great in the early 2000’s when a good number of Italian aides nearly when bankrupt cause serie a wouldn’t stop them from throwing in so much more cash. And acquiring debt.

@dennisaddo2609 Жыл бұрын

@@aspursy7826 Yeah, another reason is the poor infrastructure. A lot of Seria A and La Liga stadiums haven't been renovated since the 90s

@barry4649 Жыл бұрын

Yep, and it will never bring more eyes than the Champions League when you don’t have French, German or English teams, if you just have Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, Italian and Spanish teams which they will get at most, they are fucked

@Tarantino1101 Жыл бұрын

introduce salary caps and maximum prices for players for example no higher than 100 million

@mujeebahmed7940 Жыл бұрын

Super league is a disgraceful idea.

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

Exactly! It is mainly plastic fans and PR trolls, who seem to favour it!

@andynufc1992 Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't work, because without the EPL clubs it wouldn't be as financially viable, also due to the league structure and general fan involvement, no Bundesliga club is going to be joining either. PSG are at the top of UEFA, so won't join either, so your essentially looking at a league of Spanish, Italian clubs, and maybe some from France, Portugal too, not sure the Dutch teams would join for similar reasons to the German Leagues. So if I had to guess what the league would look like in a best case scenario R Madrid Barca A Madrid Juventus AC Milan Inter Milan Roma Napoli Benfica Porto Sporting Lisbon Lyon Marseille Sevilla Villarreal I know Valencia is bigger historically, but are much worse than Sevilla/Villarreal at the moment. I'm not sure how much more interesting this league is compared to the premier league, and the Bundesliga maybe benefit from this hugely as they'd have way more teams in the Champions League.

@jackfrost7943 Жыл бұрын

Pump money into those clubs and then you'll see

@dionysise5008 Жыл бұрын

Worst case is that it will indeed happen for a period of time, (5 to 10 years for example) until it merge with PL. That way records, number of trophies etc will be messed up forever ☹️

@fortnajt Жыл бұрын

Yes if the epl teams stay out of the esl. The the ucl will still be relevant with Bayern, Dortmund, Ajax, english top 6. This also mean less revenue for the esl.

@Whocares0009 Жыл бұрын

You kidding? This is 10X more interesting than premier league.

@user-ff4hr3sh8n Жыл бұрын

Epl is already the Super League

@sparkz2337 Жыл бұрын

not rlly, Super league was for all of europe, premier league is just england

@dennisaddo2609 Жыл бұрын

It is an English Super League. Sevilla has made the UCL three seasons in a row but had to sell one of their first choice center backs to a mid-tabke team like Aston Villa due to financial reasons.

@dennisaddo2609 Жыл бұрын

Mid-table teams in England are outspending big historic UCL clubs like Milan and Inter. At this point I think you can at least agree that at this rate the other leagues would become less and less relevant.

@dennisaddo2609 Жыл бұрын

@NinjaDemon84 Жыл бұрын

@@dennisaddo2609 Its cus fans dont watch other leauges and its just prem this prem that. Club football is dying.

@papadavie8460 Жыл бұрын

Barcelona resurrection is ongoing, Madrid is still strong, Bayern is stronger and Milan duo are crawling back. EPL clubs will never dominaithe Champion League.

@sirhaankarim4863 Жыл бұрын

UEFA should put a salary cap, a player can not be paid more than x-amount regardless if you are Real Madrid or Nottingham Forest. As the players have become greedy which is killing the game!!!! The way Mbappe is being paid is completely ridiculous!!!!!! Problem solved!!!!

@seanmaddex4104 Жыл бұрын

I think they idea of joint country leagues are interesting but I don’t think that a super league is as marketable without premier league teams. The super league is fine but I don’t think it makes much sense. I think the real concern is more games for players in a already crowded schedule

@lumiya4596 Жыл бұрын

They should transform the UCL into a european super league if they want it so bad. Then actually have a lot of clubs from several european countries compete. They have this point system thats just gonna keep marquee leagues safe for profit and other countries have difficulty to qualify. I wanna see the champions in countries like Scotland, Belgium, Austria, Greece, Turkey, Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Ukraine, Russia, etc. I wanna see underdog stories, cinderella stories, miracles and there's higher chance for that to happen like this. Not only is it exposure for these lesser known countries, it's also more profit for these greedy bastards since a lot more countries and people will be involved. Logistics is hard but that is part of football.

@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 Жыл бұрын

But when a conderella team like villarreal reach semifinals people star to hate on them beacuse of being defensive and started to say I would prefer to see bayern vs Liverpool The same people that were against the superleague

@Tarantino1101 Жыл бұрын

would be horrible for the fans especially away fans

@oceanfive8201 Жыл бұрын

Na, have u seen Scotlands football😭

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@oceanfive8201 Care to mention anywhere else in Europe with a population of just 5.4 million, to have had clubs win 3 European Trophies, or indeed ANY European trophies? (1 European Cup and 2 Cup Winners Cups, between Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen) Not to mention 7 occasions with a European trophy runner up (between Celtic, Rangers and Dundee United) and eight different clubs to have reached at least the semi stages in a European competition (Celtic, Rangers, Hibernian, Dundee, Dundee United, Aberdeen, Dunfermline and Kilmarnock.) The first 6 listed have reached at least the semi stages on more than one occasion and the first 5 have managed this in the European Cup. (Care to mention a city anywhere else in Europe with a population of just 150,000 and to have had 2 different European Cup Semi Finalists, like Dundee? And there can't be too many towns of only around 40/50,000, to have had European semi-finalists, like Dunfermline and Kilmarnock!) Scotland having 42 league clubs, would be akin to a city like Paris having around 84 (plus a whole pyramid of non-League clubs!), given that the Paris conurbation has around double Scotland's population! I believe Paris clubs have won a grand total of 1 European trophy (PSG with 1 Cup Winners Cup). However, would they have won any, if they had another 83 league clubs to compete with? That's not to mention Scotland getting the highest top-flight attendances in Europe PER HEAD OF POPULATION. In 2017/18, for instance, the Scottish Premiership had a divisional average attendance of 59% of La Ligia's and 64% of Serie A's, despite Scotland having a population of less than 12% of Spain and 9% of Italy! I am no Scottish patriot, and I agree that Scottish football isn't great. However, sneering at it, is akin to a heavyweight boxer, boasting about how they could beat someone who's just a featherweight. Yes, they probably could, but if both boxers weighed the same, the result may well be very different! Incidentally, I am not in favour of any sort of European Super League, with or without Scottish clubs. If I had my way, the old European knock out trophies would be re-introduced!

@oceanfive8201 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 yeh it’s 100% down to ur population, you’ve got 5 million ppl which is mad for a country as big as Scotland

@Witty-Hydra Жыл бұрын

Would do u think if the 2 top team of each club qualify for the super league while 3rd n 4th place do a play off in each league to get a place in the super league.This time there will also be a promotion n relegation at the end of each season. This would than allow the rest of the smaller club get more money n win title In there league+ getting the promotion money. It would also make each league interesting n unpredictable as to who will win the league n the super league. It will also ultimately make who gets promoted n relegated interesting. Then the fans would have to watch la liga, serie a, bundesliga ,ligue 1 to see how other teams r doing.

@rickwalker2 Жыл бұрын

The big issue is ownership of the super league and if Madrid, Barca, Juve etc. own the league they'll be at a huge financial advantage over other clubs in their respective leagues. If a consortium was created to distribute the funds that would work... although that's exactly what UEFA is supposed to represent. The clubs with skin in the game won't be satisfied with an alternative model- it's the whole reason they're doing it in the first place. It'll be hugely difficult for domestic competitors to compete with them and they'll become the rich clubs hoovering up talent from other local clubs. They're all hypocrites; complaining when EPL clubs do it to them but perfectly happy to change the game so they can do it themselves.

@bluebillbo Жыл бұрын

Make the CHAMPIONS league the top tier competition where only "Champions" of their domestic league can play. Turn the current Champions League into Tier 2 competition... etc

@olarasmussen4016 Ай бұрын

Somebody already rich people wants to be richer, and the other rich people hates the idea of the other rich people getting richer than them. It has nothing to do with football.

@NinjaDemon84 Жыл бұрын

I thinkwith so much money in football and way to many greedy money first ppl involved at the clubs a Super leauge of some form will eventually happen as sad as that will be. PL is the most to blame and most fans dont even care and they call other leauges farmers leauges too.

@oscarfletcher7641 Жыл бұрын

They can enjoy themselves

@kimjidimi3209 Жыл бұрын

UEFA doesn't have the balls to expell the 12 clubs

@BenBen-yx6ug Жыл бұрын

I would have a super league only if you are in the super league you are unable be in the league , then if you fall out the super league you are back to non league not the premier league . Thus way no english club will want join & let the super league have the elite teams , uefa can stop them being in the champions league ect there tournement

@RADFROOD25 Жыл бұрын

Maybe that's why the Liverpool and man utd owners are selling up and one of the other reasons Chelsea were sold apart from the obvious one.

@jamesfilosa6277 Жыл бұрын

Couldn't the other European leagues just put a higher price tag on their stars for English buyers?... Kind of like English clubs have been putting a "Manchester United premium" on players going to United. If English clubs overpay enough, then the PL money will be better distributed across Europe.

@jamesfilosa6277 Жыл бұрын

Surely the English clubs wouldn't be able to sue anyone for this, because you can't prove that they're setting different price tags (discrimination), because you can only sell a given player once.

@Ule_blood Жыл бұрын

This clubs leave and die by selling players ; ala Lyon, marseille, or Dortmund need to sell guys off. And their recruitment is focusing on places outside Europe or lesser clubs inside their country

@Ule_blood Жыл бұрын

@@jamesfilosa6277 also side note this clubs especially in Spain don’t tend to sell to Real Madrid, and give them what’s effectively the man United treatment

@rezaesmaili10 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting

@jenhypefreeman555 Жыл бұрын

There's no change needed to the current football structure

@Thrillseeker8922 Жыл бұрын

Yes there is. English clubs have established a monopoly. Just look at the figures spent this summer: 2 billion against 750 million of Serie A, 521 million of Bundesliga, and 475 million of La Liga. It’s unfair. The money that a newly promoted club in England receives from TV rights is equivalent to what a top club in Italy receives. This kills competition, and the only way to establish parity and fairness again is to create a Super League without English clubs. Unfortunately it’s never gonna happen.

@mihirarora896 Жыл бұрын

@@Thrillseeker8922 well said

@AR-rg2en Жыл бұрын

@@Thrillseeker8922 it is their fault for not managing them better.

@ashithnirmal50 Жыл бұрын

@@AR-rg2en ironic because the PL doesn't even have a wage cap, that's why they don't have any problem with the salaries and with the inflation created, we are at a time where Anthony Gordan is touted to be 60m

@sausage5876 Жыл бұрын

@@Thrillseeker8922 and that's exactly why these promoted/smaller clubs can compete it's because we spread our TV deals out equally maybe other leagues should try it brings more competion

@jaziejay1 Жыл бұрын

Is funny in the 80s and 90s when all was good in Italy and Spain no other league talked about now England has the money as the best league in the world guess whoi are moaning .Maybe they should run there leagues better same as Germany there own teams sell players cheap to byen so how will that work ?it will not

@Alphoric Жыл бұрын

If it did happen all the clubs would get banned from champions league and all uefa competitions

@giuliopaolodavoli264 Жыл бұрын

I think every league should adopt a LaLiga style approach to clubs budget for wages and transfer. And UEFA itself need to push for non English European leagues broadcasts globally. That would be a big investment in the short term, but could slowly level the playing field (also adjusting market inflation) and bring a big return given that the Champions League will become more competitive and more globally broadcasted.

@Not_Sal Жыл бұрын

I don’t care what anyone say, I will never ever support a super league

@Alphoric Жыл бұрын

It’s like they think PSG doesn’t exist like PSG is the best team financially not any prem team

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

Wow! I just can't wait to watch the new, revised "Super League". I think it sounds so fantastict, they should call it the "European Super Duper League"! After all, even if it just has clubs from La Ligia and Serie A, those are the two that everyone wants to watch, not the "farmer's leagues" in all the other countries! (I think the term "farmer's league" is the latest plastic fan term for leagues they consider to be unworthy of their attention!) After all, Serie A and La Ligia get the largest Worldwide viewing figures, don't they? _ _ _ Oh, wait a minute, it's the Premier League! (I'm personally no great fan of that competition, which has become increasingly plastic over the years, but it's nowhere near as bad as an ESL would be!) Those leagues though must surely get the highest average attendances in Europe, especially given the size of some of their top club's stadia! _ _ _ What's that? The Bundesliga gets the highest divisional average and Dortmund regularly get the highest attendances of any club in all of Europe! How can that be, when Real, AC and Inter Milan have a stadia of similar size to Dortmund's and Barca has one holding 18,000 more? (Not to mention the higher numbers of tourist fans visiting those grounds, compared to Dortmund's!) However, Spain and Italy, do have smaller populations than Germany, so I assume at the very least, they get then highest European attendances per head of population in their top flights! _ _ _ _ Wait a minute! _ _ _ This can't be right! _ _ _ It turns out that that "farmers league" (with competition from the Premier League right on its' doorstep!), the Scottish Premiership gets the highest divisional average per head of population! How can a "farmers league", played right on the doorstep of the Premier League, and no doubt attracting far less tourist fans to their matches than the top leagues, manage this? Perhaps because some people support their home grown clubs and do not give a fuck about Europe's self styled "elite clubs"! If you want a comparison, in Season 2017/18, La Ligia had a divisional average of 26,983 and Serie A, 24,738. Spain has a population of over 47 million and Italy over 59 million! What do you think the Scottish Premiership got, given that Scotland has a population of just 5.4 million, which is less than 12% of Spain's population and around 9% of Italy's? Perhaps 2,000 or 3,000? Perhaps a bit more, given that there are 12 Top Flight clubs in Scotland, compared to 20 in Serie A and La Ligia? So perhaps 4,000, or 5,000 then? Well. try 15,939! More than 59% of La Ligia's attendances with less than 12% of Spain's population and more than 64% of Serie A's divisional average, with a population of around 9% of Italy! (And it's not just about Celtic and Rangers either. That season Hearts and Hibs would both have been 11th best supported La Ligia side and 12th best supported Serie A ones, whilst Aberdeen (from a city of just 200,000) would have been 15th best supported in both leagues!) The point I am admittedly very long windedly making is, that if they have their little plastic competition, don't expect the rest of us to be watching it! Also, I assume that if Serie A and La Ligia combine, their clubs will either be banned from the Champions League, or if they do play in it, they'll only get 4 Champion's League places, rather than the 8 those leagues get between them at present! Oh, but I forgot, the likes of the German clubs will be clamouring to join it. Well, I have several German (not to mention English) friends who are big football fans, and I can assure you that EVERY one of them has said they would boycott any sort of European Shit League, or whatever it was going to be called, with or without clubs from their leagues!

@chasmanjeffers7538 Жыл бұрын

There's only one SUPER LEAGUE the ENGLISH PRIMER LEAGUE.

@ThrE3-GeS Жыл бұрын

The champions league is already the super league as not all competetors are champions like before. Just let this champions league be the super league and start a true champions league with only the true champions of europe. This way we have a super league and a true champions league.

@kevingeorge3905 11 ай бұрын

We dont need a super league. We have money and world wide viewership. All the blessings from engalnd for the super league. Leave us out😂

@lurpakspreadable9751 Жыл бұрын

Announce a 4th and 5th tier European competition lol

@quantado9411 Жыл бұрын

ESL Needs epl money thats a fact

@mirzaabdurrehmanshakeel136 Жыл бұрын

People Here really be complaining About English teams Ruining Football by money Well In the Current Market Every team needs an owner and anyone who thinks ( Except for may be 4-5 Giants ) They can survive in the long run Against Big money Just because they aren't Owned Are Living in past And it Isn't PL fault that La liga rules are making it Difficult for teams to sign players despite having the money and It isn't PL fault that it Gets the Big deals and generates A whole more revenue English clubs might not be good but Current situations Aren't Completely their fault rather than Inability of others to Get on with the present Gone are the days of Playing for badge and our club is People's club

@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 Жыл бұрын

Laliga is sensible and responsible with money Pl foreign money save them

@Daniel-nt5gh Жыл бұрын

You say that because you can have it anymore. A Real Madrid fan knows that his club will be forever 100% fans owned, and neither the Stadium's name, the club or the badge will be sold to a dictatorship.

@pbh81 Жыл бұрын

Ultimately it's down to the fan's, who will complain all they want but will still go to the games, buy the shirt's, buy the club merch and watch it all later on TV if a super league happens

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

The plastic ones would, but few of the true core fans would though! I know no one who supported it, though admittedly 90% of the fans I know do not support ESL clubs, but even amongst the ones I do know, 100% of them have said they'd boycott it!

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@andywhitehead3374 Exactly! I will not touch any such disgusting plastic competition with a barge pole and I also know NO ONE who has said they support it!

@jasoncampbell293 Жыл бұрын

I just want to be able to watch affordable football at its best quality

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

I assume you're against the ESL then, as God knows what that will cost.

@jasoncampbell293 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 yes. The same way English fans should have been against the prem as that’s just the esl but in England. Look at how they took away money from lower league clubs.

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@jasoncampbell293 I am against the Premier League and would like to see a return of the system they had with the old First Division (although sticking with 20 clubs, rather than going back to 22), but there are differences between it and the ESL. The Premier League was basically a continuation of the old English First Division and had no unearned fixed places. A club had to have already earned a place in the top-flight, in order to be in the inaugural Premier League (albeit there are questions about how Arsenal managed to get their top-flight place when World War 1 ended, but they are the only club to have survived continually in the English top-flight since then!) If the ESL was to be fair, then there should be a qualifying competition for it, rather than some clubs either getting fixed places, or at least getting to start in the competition from the start. Even if they brought that in though, I would not watch such a competition, as I am allergic to plastic football!

@captainfalconmain6576 9 ай бұрын

It’s actually simple everyone except English people will watch it

@ymg8057 Ай бұрын

You clearly don't know many genuine fans do you? I know plenty of Scottish, Irish, German and, yes English fans, as well as Greek, Spanish and US ones and I know NO ONE who supports the ESL!

@chadachee3446 Жыл бұрын

Prem being English attract world wide fans most people speak English

@DavidRodriguez-yb1qb Жыл бұрын

The Superleague already exists, it is the Premier League. And it is naive to think the rest of Europe will do nothing about it

@Daniel-nt5gh Жыл бұрын

No it is not, you can't call a League without the best club in history "Super".

@chilldude30 Жыл бұрын

No, it's just the best league. The EPL is a proper football league with relegation from it and promotion to it. It's just the top of English football and has more money than the other leagues. Super league is fundamentally different

@DavidRodriguez-yb1qb Жыл бұрын

@@chilldude30 superleague in the sense of premier league is where all the money is, not league structure

@ThrE3-GeS Жыл бұрын

Clubes like Porto are more succesfull then most english clubes beeing better then arsenal and mancity with 2 ucl and 2 world champion cups. How can you call it super league without one of the most succesfull european clubs.

@ThrE3-GeS Жыл бұрын

And so why the best players of the world is not playing in the epl? Cr7 Messi Neymar Mbappe??? Epl the Super league lol. It’s the super league of the worst players as the best players don’t even play there. The fact that maguire plays in the epl shows clearlly that the epl is not the super league.

@deanVodkahouse Жыл бұрын

I would like a two tier super league involving English clubs with promotion and relegation its the only way the other team's in Europe can receive more revenue and allow them to keep their best players and add bigger name players as they are playing in the most popular league now

@southerner6852 Жыл бұрын

Or they could just improve their own damn leagues

@deanVodkahouse Жыл бұрын

@@southerner6852 the leagues are good, Dutch league is a four way battle, serie A is the most entertaining league and many team's are in with a chance of winning it.... All that's needed is more exposure on these leagues and more money coming in... As pound for pound they are very good leagues in terms of what they have to work with while the prem is full of money, so all these clubs need is a bigger share which allows them then to keep their best players and be even more competitive in European competition

@southerner6852 Жыл бұрын

@@deanVodkahouse mate no league comes close to the Prem. People need to stop with this lie. These dudes are whining cos it is our turn to shine. But when they shone, was ok.

@deanVodkahouse Жыл бұрын

@@southerner6852 serie A is really exciting... Napoli or Atalanta could win it and the most exciting team in Europe is Napoli right now and Madrid are top dogs in the Europe so you can say the prem is the best but pound for pound the others are good and so imagine what they could do on a bigger budget

@southerner6852 Жыл бұрын

@@deanVodkahouse and after this nonsense I told my mates who are Napoli fans I hope they win. Still doesn't change the fact that these other leagues are dull in comparison and people don't want to watch them. We came from crumbling stadiums, rampant racism and hooliganism to building a marketable brand. Why can't they do the same? Why was it ok for Serie A and La Liga to spend heavily in their periods but its not ok for us?

@glesgagreg2255 Жыл бұрын

Super League is far from ideal but anything is better than the current situation. Football is completely broken at the moment

@therealgemmacollins2158 Жыл бұрын

No it’s not better it’s no where near

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

Is that why there are more people watching it and more money coming into it, than any time in history? The financially doping, self-appointed "elite" clubs may in some cases be in financial trouble, but then they should be living within their means and cutting their cloth to fit themselves!

@bentn13 Жыл бұрын

As a European, I don't think it'd be too hard to sell a European Super League, might be even more interesting if it becomes a EU Super League. Just make it equitable, involve teams from many more leagues, make the benefits clear, and even UEFA might get on board.

@giannistri Жыл бұрын

It should happen. Enough with the PL’s disgusting money. How can a team surviving relegation in the PL earn more than the LaLiga champions?

@alexda1409 Жыл бұрын

Equal Distribution of Broadcast Revenue, why can't LaLiga do it ??

@wir154 Жыл бұрын

And I bet the Polish, Scottish, Portuguese and Austrian champions etc. get far less than the clubs surviving relegation in the likes of Serie A and La Ligia. But of course, those wanting an ESL don't give a fuck about those clubs., as someone pointed out on another comment on an ESL video! They only care about the plastic clubs who tried to from the European Shit League. Personally, I am no fan of the Premier League and think measures should be taken to even up the wealth in football. However, you can be pretty sure that if such measures were taken to create a more level playing field for all (such as having the Champions League like the old European Cup, with one entrant per country, limits on transfer prices, financial fair play being brought in for all, wage caps, or even creating a more even distribution of revenue within their own leagues etc.) then the so called "elite" of Serie A and La Ligia would start whining about it. The current situation is akin to a group of millionaires who all earn a fortune, complaining about a group who earn even more, saying they should be taxed more (which they probably should be!), but who would go mental if they had their own taxes increased, in order to help those on smaller incomes. They want things evened up, but only down to the level they are at. They couldn't care less about those below them!

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

@@wir154 Absolutely fucking spot on!

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@wir154 Well said! I've been making the same points myself, even in the comments for this video and have seen the same point made elsewhere. But of course, the plastics who support a European Shit League don't give a fuck about any leagues, except the ones that have the plastic clubs who tried to form it. To hell with evening things up between Serie A, La Ligia and the so called "farmer's leagues"! I feel sorry for the true fans of the ESL clubs, who have had their clubs swamped by tourists, glory hunters and Johnny Come Lately, lightweight plastics pretending to support them!

@reganbrannigan3006 Жыл бұрын

The only teams that want it are Spanish and Italian so just put them together

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

But give them the same number of Champions League places, (4) as each league currently gets! They'd soon start whining if they got just 4 between them. Personally, I think they're lucky to even get 4 per league at present, as I think the "Champions" League should live up to its name, with just 1 club from each league and the likes of the 2nd, 3rd, 4rh etc. teams playing in the other European competitions!

@avidcule Жыл бұрын

I'm down for a European Super League, I can't blame these clubs, they can't financially compete, not even with a club like forest and I absolutely despise EUFA & FIFA they are some of the most corrupt organizations on the planet.

@themilkywayuniverse6962 Жыл бұрын

Super Leauge? Blame the MLS for that

@fadercreek Жыл бұрын

sooner than later the best players in the world are gonna migrate to the mls

@chaardoMusic Жыл бұрын

@@fadercreek why

@fadercreek Жыл бұрын

@@chaardoMusic America is improving in soccer and players are getting tired of waiting for years to play a world cup

@BernardoMartinsMateus Жыл бұрын

honestly don't care anymore football is just a bunch of rich people's game, anyways

@fadercreek Жыл бұрын

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@fnususanto1 Жыл бұрын

ESL without EPL is good. I will watch ESL not EPL. I am not an European. Imagine a newly promoted side like Nottingham forest spent hundreds of millions while other big non EPL spent peanuts. Manchester city and PSG should go back being farmers clubs like they used to be.

@emilianoreyes3551 Жыл бұрын

I’m not gonna lie since the premiere league is getting so so big I think it would be dope to see a league of the big clubs in one together and see who else becomes the best team of the league sounds Awesome

@Alphoric Жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t 😂

@unicornsaw9693 Жыл бұрын

Lol 2023

@chrt8578 Жыл бұрын

Uefa need to address the situation with the EPL clubs and the petrodollar clubs first if they want to stop that for happening. As long as they aint doing shit about the inflated market that teams fro EPL and teams like PSG have cost, im all in support for a Super League, as i believe are all the fans of the true football giants, you know those teams that had built themselves upon there fanbase and the years of work and achievements, and not with the petrodollars

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

You mean the "true football giants" like Juventus, who, despite winning Serie A that season, got average attendances of more than 10,000 LESS than Newcastle United, last time that club played in the English SECOND Flight! (A club who incidentally haven't won their league for 95 years!) Lookes like Juve aren't even the most popular black and white striped club in Europe, in terms of dedicated fans who can be bothered actually going to their matches anyway! (As opposed to the plastic, Johnny Come Lately, glory hunting brigade, who couldn't even point to where Turin is on a map!) I'm no fan of pertrodollars flooding into the game either, or indeed the Premier League as a whole, but am sick of the so called "giants" from the likes of Italy and Spain trying to distort European football to suit themselves. They may want to even the playing field between themselves and the Premier League, but do you think they want to create a more level playing field between themselves and the likes of the Polish, Austrian, Dutch, or Scottish Leagues etc.? (The latter league incidentally attracts far larger attendances per head of population, than either Serie A or La Ligia, despite being played on the doorstep of the Premier League!) They want a more level playing field down to their level, but to hell with making things farer for clubs from the so called "farmers leagues" (the latest plastic fan term for leagues they consider to be unworthy!), or indeed the other clubs in their own leagues!

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 Exactly! The Eredivisie also attracts far more than either Serie A, or La Ligia, per capita, even if not in actual terms. However, the Scottish Premiership gets amazing per capita attendances, even if some of them on the face of it may not seem so high, in the eyes of those who do not know how sparsely populated Scotland actually is! The lowest supported Scottish Premiership club for instance, Ross county, may just average a bit above 3,000, but they are from a town of under 6,000! There can be few clubs anywhere in Europe which attract more than 50% of their town/city's population! Yes, I know away fans need to be taken into account, but even taking that into account, it is pretty impressive! Even the main cities in Scotland, with the exception of perhaps Glasgow, are very sparsely populated, out with their boundaries, compared to many similarly sized cities in England, or elsewhere in Europe! The ESL clubs are just so arrogant, that they think that the rest of us want to watch them! WELL WE DON'T!

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@andywhitehead3374 I think you mean "more than 50% of their town/city's population", rather than "50% more", but I know what you mean! Dingwall has a population of less than 6,000!

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 You're right. I changed it. Ross County attracting around 60% of their town's population though, is the equivalent of Juventus having average attendances of around 255,000! (If Turin has around 850,000 and you half that, to take into account Torino, though I'm sure Juve get an higher share of fans, compared to them.) So 60% of 425,000 then, which is 255,00, if my calculations are correct! Rather than Juve really regularly averaging more than 10,000 LESS than Newcastle United, as you mentioned! (A club who have not won their league since 1927 and have won no major domestic trophies since the mid-1950's!) I know, away fans have not been taken into account here, but even if you just took onto account Ross County's average of home fans at their matches, then I have a funny feeling that they would still average per-capita FAR, FAR more than the likes of Juve! Also, I have a funny feeling that the population round about Dingwall (and indeed most Scottish towns and cities) is minute, compared to the environs of Turin, or indeed the environs of ANY city that an ESL club comes from. Not to mention that all the ESL clubs attract far more tourist fans and glory hunters, who come from nowhere near the city of the club they pretend to support!

@yonh5350 Жыл бұрын

I really hope they do this and bring more balance to european football financially and it'd be even better if they allow english teams as long as clubs continue in their league...i can care less about the champions league UEFA is corrupt anyway

@rorysmith2415 Жыл бұрын

Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers should join the European Super League. My idea would be a top division of 20. With two east and west second divisions of 20 teams each.

@wir154 Жыл бұрын

Oh, hello again! Still cutting and pasting this comment throughout all these videos, just in case the Ugly Sisters are up for consideration for the European Shit League, in order to try and convince people that there is demand for them playing in such a hideous competition?. How much does your PR company pay you to post these comments? I actually reckon that Hibs should be invited instead, given they were originals in the European Cup, but that they should then send back their invite, after everyone at the club has wiped their arses on it, to show just what most people think abut their shitty little plastic competition!

@montanaprime Жыл бұрын

Brexit for european football is a great idea. 🤗🤗🤗👏👏👏

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

And what about the likes of Norway, Switzerland, Ukraine, Turkey etc.? Are their clubs to be banned for being from non- EU countries? In fact, only 4 of the first 14 European Cups were won by clubs from countries AT THAT TIME in the EU, or EEC as it was called back then! (2 by AC Milan and 2 by Inter.) Perhaps Real, Benfica, Celtic and Man United should have their records expunged then. Or should the likes of the top European competitions just be for clubs from the likes of La Ligia and Serie A, two leagues who get far smaller divisional average attendances per head of population than the Scottish Premiership! Yes, I know that attendances don't necessarily reflect global audiences, but they are a good reflection of the true, dedicated, loyal, highest contributing fans, as compared to the lightweight, johnny come lately, plastics, of dubious loyalties.

@PeterEhik Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure it’s only English fans who oppose this super league stuff. I mean I don’t care to watch my team Chelsea play games against Burnley, I’d rather we played proper games every week. The games gone already, I don’t care if some premier league clubs go bankrupt, those clubs are pretty much corporations now. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t even go bankrupt, they’ll just not be able to spend 30 million dollars on a backup goalie which is probably good for the game. If the super league has cheaper tickets and more interesting games then I’m all for it. It’s a disgrace what they charge for tickets in league games right now, it’s a disgrace how much it costs to be a fan, if the super league is marginally better than the premier league at that stuff then I support it. The premier league is only 30 years old, it hasn’t been there forever and so if it ends, the game goes on

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

I am Scottish and I hate the idea. I also have German, Swedish, Italian (well half Italian anyway!), US, Irish and Spanish friends who hate the idea! In fact I know no one who supported the European Shit League, including the few I know who support ESL clubs, 100% of whom said they'd boycott it! Yes I'm sure the admission prices in the Premier League are shocking, though I suspect they'd be a fraction of those for the ESL! Not sure what they are, as I solely support a Scottish club, like most people here, despite living right on the threshold of the Premier League. (Including several English friends I know living here incidentally!) Perhaps that's why the Scottish Premiership regularly attracts around 66% of Serie A's average attendances, despite Scotland having less than 10% of Italy's population. (Not bad for a "farmer's league"! Think that's the latest plastic brigade term for leagues they consider to be inferior!) Personally I'd like to see German style admission prices (which I believe are even lower than Scottish ones) and 50% +1 ownership throughout Europe, but also salary/transfer caps, financial fair play introduced properly and any other measures to prevent "financial doping" and inequality in the European game. Also a return to the old knock out European competitions, rather than UEFA trying to make their competitions more plastic, airbrushed and elitist in order to appease the greedy self appointed "elite clubs"! I'm not holding my breath on any of that happening right enough, but I doubt the vile ESL will happen. (Which would be like trying to make a cake made out of earwax taste better, by putting icing made out of liquefied shit over it!) And, if it does happen, I am sure I will be joined by millions in not pressing my nose against the window, gasping in awe, as Europe's so called "elite" clubs play each other endlessly and repetitively, at a party we are not invited to and the even larger group who would not be interested if it is just the Italian and Spanish clubs in it! Perez claimed that 4 billion would have watched it. That just shows how delusional those behind the ESL were. 4 billion is more than 50% of the Earth's population, of 7.9 billion!

@europeanfootball1061 Жыл бұрын

the biggest reason why real Madrid are insisting on uefa super league is not due to money, but they are bored of uefa champions league and wants to try a new one .

@12thMandalorian Жыл бұрын

Hopefully it does, it’s not a bad idea it was just set up the wrong way

@noooname2568 Жыл бұрын

It was a shit idea, and a majority of fans don’t want it. Hence the protests

@Patrick-mn7bg Жыл бұрын

The only reason the super league is coming up again is because everybody (maybe except the German clubs) is fucking broke - they all tried to compete with the EPL! The EPL clubs still get the insane money! However the answer can’t be to throw more money at this insanity. There should be an incentive to make the football business sustainable. Look at Portugal, France and Spain almost every club is fighting to survive! In Italy and Spain some of the biggest club are so desperate that they commit balance fraud… A super league wouldn’t fix the issue at all. For me as a German fan this means that if we want to keep our traditions, awesome atmosphere, cheap tickets and fan-ownership of the clubs, we probably won’t be competitive any more, won’t attract stars and are going to have Bayern as our permanent champ. Maybe that is not the worst thing in the world.

@mirzaabdurrehmanshakeel136 Жыл бұрын

that last para Explains everything Gone are the days of Playing for badge and our club is fans club Club's Need to adapt or else they will further sink into Dark days

@Patrick-mn7bg Жыл бұрын

@@mirzaabdurrehmanshakeel136 True, but if the hole league sinks we still have a place to go and meet our friends on weekends! With this super league shit and all the money floating around we might have a circus in a couple of years, which we might not want to attend anymore. If that happens and let’s say the German fan scene and ultras don’t attend anymore German football would be dead.

@noname-ot7vd Жыл бұрын

Yeah but your League is super uncompetitive and bayern are about to win their 11th title this year.

@Patrick-mn7bg Жыл бұрын

@@noname-ot7vd that is a problem you are right! But what else can we do then wait! I mean maybe somebody else wins it this year! But let’s be honest it’s not like it’s that different in the EPL! So you have two teams that win every year

@FatTodd Жыл бұрын

Rest of Europe league would be good.

@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 Жыл бұрын

The only point here is that an average pl club can spend more than any top team in any other league If football continues like that pl will be the superleague in 15 years, we would see brighton buying youngsters and loaning them back to real Madrid and things like that

@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 Жыл бұрын

So in this scenario the other european clubs needs a competition which generates much more income than pl and it is not ucl It needs to be the superleague

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 What? A competition that FAR less people would watch that the UCL?

@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 just not true Much more people would watch it

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273 And why would much more people watch it? Most who would watch an ESL already watch the Champions league. So few new viewers for it then! However, as well as the large numbers of core, highest contributing fans of clubs who would be included, who have said they would boycott it, the ESL would exclude clubs from most European countries and, even amongst countries who do have clubs in it, most clubs from that country would be excluded. Are the ESL organisers so arrogant, that they think that the rest of us will be pressing our noses against the window, gasping in awe, at a party that our own clubs are effectively excluded from? I think I speak for most fans of such clubs, when I say that, NO WE WILL NOT! I know lots of football fans. Admittedly most (but not all) of the ones I know are English, Scottish, Irish, or German, but NONE of the ones I know have expressed support for a super league of any sort. Some I know do currently watch the Champions League, though I do not personally and would not do so unless my club was playing in it. I much preferred the old European Cup! However, EVERY fan I have spoken to has said that they would boycott an ESL, even if their club played in it and I can assure you that I would do the same! It looks like the ESL would just have Spanish and Italian clubs in it anyway, so good luck with that! I don't know if you know this, but lots of people from out-with Italy and Spain, do not care about the Milan Derby, or El Classico. I can assure you that, if I was to ask as many fans as I could contact, the day after either of those matches are played next time, what the result was, most would not know, or particularly care! There was also a comment from a South African, on another video about this, who said that no one there cared about the Milan Derby either. Yes, there may be people in other parts of the World who do want to watch those clubs, but many of them will be from countries where the costs of TV subscriptions are a fraction of what they are for home-grown fans, that is if they are not watching the matches on pirated streaming services. Also, the only part of the World to have a population which is FAR higher than Europe, is Asia, somewhere where most people would have to get up in the middle of the night, in order to watch a live European match! And the only other continent, apart from Asia, to have more people than Europe, is Africa. I wonder how much the average person pays to watch football there, compared to home grown European fans and how many care about the Spanish and Italian Leagues? As for home- grown fans, La Ligia and Serie A get lower divisional average attendances than the Premier League, or Bundesliga and PER HEAD OF POPULATION, they get FAR lower ones than those so called "farmers leagues", of the Dutch Eredivisie and Scottish Premiership! Yes, attendances do not measure everything, but they are a good indication of the core, highest contributing, most loyal fans, who can actually be bothered attending matches, as opposed to the Johnny Come Lately, plastic, lightweight fans, of dubious loyalties!

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 You' have taken the words right out of my mouth! Also, people think that fans in the USA vastly outnumber European football fans! Well they DO NOT! How do I know this? Well _ _ _ 1. There are far fewer football fans per head of population in the US than in Europe! (Fans of what many there would term "soccer" anyway!) I know several people from the US and have friends who have lived there and every one of them has told me this. (In fact, the per capita number of fans in Europe may well be the highest in the World and the per capita numbers who are anti-Super League there are probably the highest, as well as what you said about them paying more on average to watch their clubs than in most other parts of the World!) 2. There is just the inconvenient truth that, the US may have a far larger population than any individual European Country, but has less than half of the population of the whole of Europe! And there is also the likes of Turkey, which has a high population who mostly live in the Asian part of it, but Turkey is fully European for footballing purposes! So the population that is covered by European competitions, spills beyond Europe's borders. (There is also fully Asian Israel and a certain other country, which is partially in Asia, but whose clubs are probably banned from European competition for the time being, because of recent events!) Yes, people from the USA may be some of the few non-Europeans, who may pay similar money for merchandise and TV/streaming subscriptions as European fans, but they are a drop in the Ocean compared to them, despite many having the opposite perception, even if a higher proportion of those who are fans from there are more likely to support ESL clubs, compared to Europeans. (Mainly the English clubs, as far as I can see!) But who knows, some from there and elsewhere may take a leaf out of the likes of the Scottish and Dutch fans books and concentrate on supporting their own home-grown clubs, rather than following football from thousands of miles away!

@shisir1791 Жыл бұрын

This should happen. Club football is being so dominated by just one organization like UEFA because of no competition. More competition the better.

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

So it ends up like boxing, where all the different versions of the World Titles are diluted and devalued!

@fadercreek Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 one league one champion

@deepankarchaudhary1468 Жыл бұрын

Super league sounds great for most global fans. Uefa and Fifa are kind of most corrupt organisations in the world so it's delusional to not think about new competition with big improvements.

@Tarantino1101 Жыл бұрын

...for global fans...think they should come in 2nd after the local fans in terms of being heard. your city your club...unfortunately the big clubs are to greedy to care about those local fans anymore

@deepankarchaudhary1468 Жыл бұрын

@@Tarantino1101 yeah but money from broadcast rights and social media is way more then match day audience.

@andywhitehead3374 Жыл бұрын

@@Tarantino1101 The sorts of fans who want the ESL are likely to melt both literally and metaphorically, if Global Warming continues, or if an ESL happens. If an ESL happens and the club, they pretend to support struggles, it finally dawning on them that they are likely to die before they ever win another trophy, then most will melt away from that club. But also, as someone else pointed out in another comment, plastic melts in the heat, so good luck if the Earth continues to warm!

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@Tarantino1101 The local fans pay FAR more per capita to watch their clubs than the global fans and are far more loyal towards those clubs, so of course they should be given priority. The only thing that may test many local fans loyalties, is if they join some dumb "super" league and abandon the old home-grown rivalries that they care most about! Then clubs will be left with the Johnny come lately plastic lightweights, who pay a fraction towards the clubs than the genuine fans and are far more likely to abandon ship, should the club they pretend to support start to go years and decades in the ESL without winning any more silverware!

@Tarantino1101 Жыл бұрын

@@ymg8057 definitely just spent about 200 again on two away games this week including Transport Tickets Food and so on

@Filip-gu4cq Жыл бұрын

superleauge is the only hope for football

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

@@andywhitehead3374 I think you mean "non-existent", rather than "bon existent", but you are absolutely right apart from that and it's a great point you make! Also, how come Hibernian FC, from that so called "farmers league" in Scotland, during the height of Covid Lockdown, were able to put a message for a season on their shirts, thanking the National Health Service, rather than getting a shirt sponsor, which would have paid them money, if football is on its last legs? It wouldn't be because, rather disgracefully, they live within their means, have frequently made profits in recent decades and do not indulge in "financial doping" would it? I'd rather support a club like that, even if they just win the occasional trophy, than one of the plastic, financially doping, self-styled "elite" of Europe!

@fadercreek Жыл бұрын

nope the mls

@raphaelostrowski6336 Жыл бұрын

The English league is the problem. They are a super league in itself. Look how small clubs like Nottingham and Aston Villa can outspend European giants. You need to destabilize the premier league

@ymg8057 Жыл бұрын

You also need to destabilize Serie A and La Ligia, as they are the problem also, as look how the smaller clubs in those leagues can probably outspend the top clubs in the likes of the Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Portugal and Scotland etc. But of course, when people complain about the Premier League dominating (and I am no fan of that competition!), many are complaining about how the likes of Juve, Barca and Real are outspent by Premier League clubs, not about how those clubs and their leagues outspend other leagues, some such as the Scottish and Dutch ones, who get far higher divisional average attendances PER HEAD OF POPULATION than either Serie A or La Ligia! Yes, I know that attendances don't necessarily reflect global audiences, but they are a good measure of the loyal, dedicated, committed, highest spending fans, rather than the Johnny come lately, plastic, glory hunters, of dubious loyalties, who probably pay a fraction to watch the clubs they pretend to support, than the core fans. (Or "legacy fans", as those behind the ESL contemptuously term them!)