How to Equip, Use, and Beat Leviathan Dreadnoughts in Horus Heresy

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Hearesy

Hearesy

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In this video, I tell the various ways in which you can equip your Leviathan Dreadnought to be effective in games of Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness.
I also talk about how to use your Leviathan on the battlefield, and if you're facing down a Leviathan, how best to deal with it!
Intro 00:00
In this video... 00:12
Melee Weapons 00:35
Ranged Weapons 01:58
Secondary Weapons 05:53
Transport Options 07:49
Optimal Loadouts 09:30
Strengths 14:52
Weaknesses 16:20
Roles 18:46
How to Beat a Leviathan 20:35
Summary 24:51

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@WolfTau
@WolfTau 2 жыл бұрын
Great ideas to think about, thank you for this!
@Trodax76
@Trodax76 2 жыл бұрын
Great rundown as always mate; have really enjoyed listening through all your videos. You strike the perfect balance between talking about rules effectiveness but also always keeping in mind that the game must remain fun, for both players. Good work! Now go make a video about the World Eaters, because that’s how I’m going to paint my double melee Leviathan. :)
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Hopefully get to WE soon
@JohnnyCoyote
@JohnnyCoyote 2 жыл бұрын
Melta/Claw/Phosphex sounds like an amazing allrounder for my Iron Warriors, cheers for another great video!
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeh ive been really enjoying that loadout so far.
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
Great for my Imperial Fists too.
@florian8356
@florian8356 Жыл бұрын
Actually tried out double stormcannons in TS because of this video, worked quite well. Thanks!
@jeffreysas5888
@jeffreysas5888 2 жыл бұрын
I’m including the melee/phosphex build in my salamanders to help with bullying off of objectives. I needed more melee prowess, and it needs to perform more of the distraction-carnifex role to draw some firepower away from my elite units and vehicles
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very handy.
@Ferox2121
@Ferox2121 8 ай бұрын
Great overview. Thanks a lot. I just ordered a Blood Angels Leviathan body, so i will use their special rotor canon options for the hull weapons. As for the rest i still have some weapons to spare since i already bought one cc and ranged levi as well. Claw and drill would be fitting for the BAs but i think i will go with the gun/claw combo on this one...
@graffpov
@graffpov 2 жыл бұрын
So glad that i found your channel. Before i was watching outer circle who talks a lot about heresy but recently started noticing a lot of nonsense. Every episode you have is so useful (even when its not about Alpha))) always rewatching your videos couple times when i miss little stuff. Thank you, mate!
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
For you: twitter.com/talkheresy/status/1554095273152073730
@seymoounit0018
@seymoounit0018 2 жыл бұрын
Legendary!
@graffpov
@graffpov 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy omg yessss!
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
"but recently started noticing a lot of nonsense" What do you mean? As in filler words, contradictions, or stuff like misinterpreting mechanics?
@asimplekraken1318
@asimplekraken1318 Жыл бұрын
Coming back to this one, got rekt by one of these last weekend so taking notes how to put one down!
@thatsedzoonth
@thatsedzoonth 2 жыл бұрын
I love this guy for some return fire with my ultramarine reaction. The storm cannon is not a perfect weapon for shooting marines but rendering means you should kill a few. That plus phosphex gives you game against any infantry!
@redjulius3718
@redjulius3718 2 жыл бұрын
Building an Emperor's Children Leviathan off of a conversion from the Red Scorpions Leviathan and threw some SONIC guns in where the assault cannons were. Added a nameplate last night "Tarsus Unbowed, Tarsus Unbent, Tarsus Unbroken" Then this pops up the next day, I LOVE it man.
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a sweet project! Drop some pics on twitter or fb when its done, would love to see!
@redjulius3718
@redjulius3718 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy hell yeah brother
@davidwasilewski
@davidwasilewski 2 жыл бұрын
Double leviathan storm cannon for me! Great for killing light vehicles and for thinning out infantry.
@MB-ht5rd
@MB-ht5rd Жыл бұрын
Currently building one as I watch your vid - going for claw, drill, phosphex and two assault cannon for my Imperial Fists!
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
As a fellow Imperial Fists player, I need to ask about that. Is the "all-in melee" able to be rounded out by the assault cannons/phosphex, or is it too CC oriented for the assault cannon/phosphex shooting to be relevant?
@MB-ht5rd
@MB-ht5rd 5 ай бұрын
@@LordCrate-du8zmit’s slow enough that the assault cannons keep it relevant. Remember that even the arm gun options max out at 24” range, so assault cannons in the chest can threaten at the same range.
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
@@MB-ht5rd I see. And would you take it over Melta/Claw/Phosphex?
@MB-ht5rd
@MB-ht5rd 5 ай бұрын
@@LordCrate-du8zmdepends what you’re fighting/ the purpose it’ll fill in your list. The dedicated CC version is a blender that can walk into large squads, putting lots of shots on the way in. The melta/ claw/ phosphex is a terminator/ tank killer.
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
@@MB-ht5rd I see. I have a Contemptor in my list too with the gravis lascannon and combi-bolter fist. Which do you recommend then?
@knoxminis1211
@knoxminis1211 2 жыл бұрын
When I get the melee one this week, I plan on building it with double claws as I also plan on playing some Zone Mortalis, and think that will do well there.
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Great plan!
@TimcPlays
@TimcPlays 2 жыл бұрын
Don't Leviathans have too many wounds to be included in ZM? I thought the restriction was Vehicles and models with 7 or more wounds? Leviathans have 7.
@Skringly
@Skringly 2 жыл бұрын
​@@TimcPlays Yeah the Zone Mortalis rules restrict you from bringing Leviathans. Too many wounds.
@CarvedMetal
@CarvedMetal Жыл бұрын
I forgot about Rending ignoring Toughness values with its auto-wound. That's good stuff. I should have magnetized my Leviathan but feel fine about keeping it just a claw and a drill anyways. Then I won't have to buy the upgrade weapons kit (though the cyclonic melta lance would be my choice along with a claw if I decide to cut it off and magnetize the drill arm).
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
You can't really magnetize the arm weapons. The guns are just fine without them, friction's great at keeping my Rifleman Leviathan together. But the arms have cables which unfortunately require specific pieces for the shoulder in order to plug in and so can't really be removed unless you magnetize that entire assembly.
@Mittens_Gaming
@Mittens_Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
Siege Claw looks MUCH cooler than the drill, in my opinion, so I always go to the Claw. I think I will take the melta Lance and Claw in a combo on two. One with 2 Storm Cannons will be another choice for me.
@eater_of_garbage_
@eater_of_garbage_ 2 жыл бұрын
Brutal 3 makes it incredible into terminators, which are a way bigger threat than vehicles
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
Two storm cannons are how I built my first Leviathan. Plan on buying a second version so I can experiment with builds.
@WarmasterPainting
@WarmasterPainting Жыл бұрын
Great video! How would you equip a Space Wolves Leviathan?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy Жыл бұрын
Probably melta+claw for close support, the same as I use it for my iron hands. Protect your marines from those nasty dreadnoughts!
@traitorouskin7492
@traitorouskin7492 2 жыл бұрын
double melee for the win. cool af
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely!
@jymmylol74
@jymmylol74 2 жыл бұрын
The bonus to run and charge from the WE trait berserk assault applies to dreadnoughts? Maybe it would help a bit with mobility. I want to collect WE and leviathan with double melee looks awesome in that army!
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Leviathans cant run as theyre heavy, but the charge bonus would apply!
@DMHightower
@DMHightower Жыл бұрын
Great video again! How do you rate the Castro Ferrrum (not sure I got the name right) old school dreadnoughts?
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
Castraferrum
@TheVirtue01
@TheVirtue01 2 жыл бұрын
This has honestly made me rethink how i run my leviathan. And now i want to rip out my Levi’s volkite nipple guns. I think i’m going to go double melee.
@jellydamgood
@jellydamgood 8 ай бұрын
One year late, but I think the volkites are rated too low. Unless you are deep striking, there's a chance you are shooting nothing with your flamers the entire game, especially against shootier defensive armies what with the short short template and Levis being fat and slow. Compare 15 points for around 3 rounds of shooting 6 times (thats pretty much always gonna hit) versus 0 points for 0 shooting. I know which one I will pick.
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
@@jellydamgood Imo the Volkites are situational at best and wasteful investments at worst. Certain armies like Blood Angels and Imperial Fists just have flat out better versions of them (assault cannons) and ranged-only Leviathans will benefit a LOT from having two powerful flamethrowers to use on enemies attempting to close the distance. If you _want_ a close combat leviathan to take them then they're good enough, since the shooting will probably help it hold its own against range. But then again, why the fuck would you take it against the flamers, who are optimized for close range combat?
@jellydamgood
@jellydamgood 5 ай бұрын
@@LordCrate-du8zm yea well, I'm not using the blessed legions with their fancy guns, nor is that the thing discussed here. And why will I take it over flamers? Because Levi dreads are fat asses that can't run and will get kited. 8 inchish flamers does not help with that, whereas a much longer ranged volkite allows you to chip away at enemy infantry. It's not that hard to kill an average of 2 Marines a turn with just the volkites alone, which already gives you back 20 points for your 15 points of investment in a single turn. While the nipple flamers will just sit there doing jackshit nothing for many turns while the fat dread gets kited. I'm not that great at math, but a 15 point investment that nets you 50-100 points in kills over a 0 point gun that gets you 20-40 points in kills seems better in every case. Of course you can invest 100+ points on dreadpods or dreadclaws instead, but then you run the risk of a bad deep strike and getting shot and assaulted before even doing anything. This is of course just my own experience punking flamer levis that ended up doing nothing because I kited them vs using my own volkite levis that actually caused enough of a distraction to force my enemies to divert resources against them, if you don't want to believe it, that's not my problem.
@3v3rhard
@3v3rhard 2 жыл бұрын
Claw, stormcannon and phosphex is the best allrounder loadout.
@Yoghurtacid
@Yoghurtacid 2 жыл бұрын
Storm Cannon, Power Fist, and two Iliastus Assault Cannons is what I'm thinking for my bAngels..! Maybe two Storm Cannons if I'm going purely fire support. Expensive, but a lot of fun rolling all those dice, rending goes brrrrrt
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
And will look super cool converted!
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
Nah, you gotta go the full Dakka Dread™ experience. TWO storm cannons and two Assault Cannons for the ultimate "mow down everything that has a pulse" experience.
@travisvance619
@travisvance619 2 жыл бұрын
does move through cover on the leviathan dread negate the phosphex dischargers negative
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Only difficult, not dangerous!
@roguesgaminguk
@roguesgaminguk Жыл бұрын
I've overlooked the Leviathans entirely, i took a talon of 3 contemptors to keep my heavy support slots free
@calvincox7904
@calvincox7904 2 жыл бұрын
You mention using Double Storm Cannon against Fellblades. Super Heavy vehicles are immune to all penetrating hit effects except Explodes.
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Learn something new every day! The main point though, is that the Leviathan will knock 5hp off of one per turn on its own - thats a big chunk of HP off an expensive unit!
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 5 ай бұрын
Yo dude, as an Imperial Fists player, I gotta ask about what you think an optimal loadout for that legion might be. I've already built a Storm Cannon x2 Heavy Flamers Leviathan Dread for the IF, and I'm unsure whether to add the Phosphex to it. Another commenter said they were making an All-Melee+Assault Cannon+Phosphex build, but I'm also interested in the Siege Claw/Melta/Phosphex variant. Which is better?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 5 ай бұрын
Assault cannons are a must take for IF. At least one melee weapon is generally best too. Outside of that, melta or stormcannon or second melee, and phosphex or not depending if you have points, are all fine choices.
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
@@Hearesy Thank you so much!
@thestormlords1441
@thestormlords1441 2 жыл бұрын
was think about putting one of these guys in my 3k list for Iron hands with grav flux bombard and heavy famers, and siege claw would have been cool and a good thematic close support platform but yeah... Probably not gonna take one now and take 2 Deredos instead
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Id still use it, it just sucks how useless the grav is :( melta or stormcannon do a good job though!
@Skringly
@Skringly 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy I had completely missed that it didn't leave a template, just kind of assumed as that's typical what Grav does. Crazy that it doesn't.
@optimoespacio
@optimoespacio 2 жыл бұрын
I have two, 2 grab flux bombards a claw and a siege claw… all magnetised thankfully. So sad to see how useless the grab is. Just have to wait for the separate weapon sprue to arrive.
@lesbianmorgoth652
@lesbianmorgoth652 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if you get a Leviathan, you should get a second one in the same or a similar loadout, just to make sure your opponent can't just focus it down and make it fail to do anything as it slowly walks up the table.
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
That goes for most things in optimised gaming so is great advice, depends if you want two slow behemohths in your army though!
@lesbianmorgoth652
@lesbianmorgoth652 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy very true! But if you don't want two giant, lumbering, atheist murder-cyborgs in your army, are you a true 30k enjoyer? ;P
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
I mean I have 2… :)
@lokalnyork
@lokalnyork Жыл бұрын
Grab 2 kits - melee and shooty, then mix their weapons to your liking. Unless You're Iron Warrior, buy 3 dakka variants lol.
@jellydamgood
@jellydamgood 8 ай бұрын
​@@lokalnyorkno siege drill on the siege specialists?!
@jst5926
@jst5926 Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking double melee offset my iron hands lack big melee
@mikesfilms9480
@mikesfilms9480 Жыл бұрын
Quick question, how can a leviathan with 2 storm cannons glance a land raider when their armour value is 14 because you can't get a 7 on a dice and vehicles ignore rending?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy Жыл бұрын
Rending adds d3 pen to vehicles. Making autocannons actually very good anti armour weapons!
@mikesfilms9480
@mikesfilms9480 Жыл бұрын
​@@Hearesy thank you , didn't realise :)
@alecandre8740
@alecandre8740 2 жыл бұрын
another thing that works well to kill any dread is fleshbane, itll average 2 to 3 unsaved wounds from them.
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Fleshbane has to reroll successful wounds va dreads, although yes it is still better than most things!
@alecandre8740
@alecandre8740 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy oh I'm aware. It's still my go to for dreads. That 2 to 3 unsaved wounds was actually after the reroll has been calculated. Of course, this is being done with a 10 man Squad of blood angels Angels Tears. And not everyone has access to large amounts of fleshbane like that.
@galharen
@galharen Жыл бұрын
how would you run the Leviathan in Dark Angels army?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy Жыл бұрын
Fist and stormcannon or fist and melta are my faves. This works just as well for DA I imagine!
@TimcPlays
@TimcPlays 2 жыл бұрын
I'd assume it got the extra attack as both weapons don't have any special rules like Specialist Weapons? Don't think the Dreadnought rule cancels it either?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
The question is whether its intended that 2 melee weapons gives you a datasheet bonus and the 2 weapon bonus, or whether the datasheet bonus is ham-fisted “reminder text”. Who knows
@eater_of_garbage_
@eater_of_garbage_ 2 жыл бұрын
Rules as written, they get an additional attack for having 2 weapons
@razalfraz6618
@razalfraz6618 2 жыл бұрын
Shit man I got the grav gun because I personally felt the melta was too much and the storm cannon was too little but that was just before 2.0 came out
@coldramen6423
@coldramen6423 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, you can’t charge after arriving from deep strike out of a kharybdis. The assault vehicle rule specifically forbids it, strangely
@viscounttudon68
@viscounttudon68 Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for my storm cannons, as an Imperial Fist player. Haha 2+ go brrrrrrrrrr
@florianbielawa2919
@florianbielawa2919 2 жыл бұрын
Which legions get the most out of the leviathan? Iron warriors and who else?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone does in different ways. Even legions where the trait doesnt benefit the dread, can use it for its effect on the table. Much deeper topic of discussion!
@batteredwarrior
@batteredwarrior Жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy it would actually really be cool to hear your opinion on how each legion would be best using Leviathans...
@WarmasterPainting
@WarmasterPainting Жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy Agreed!
@Blackhound61
@Blackhound61 Жыл бұрын
Double melta and phosphex, Iron warriors advanced reaction, that's 16 melta shots and 2 blasts...!
@abbadonslostarms-kbd1393
@abbadonslostarms-kbd1393 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to mag mine, I do for everything.plus then I can share with my fw deathguard one too. I like the look of the claw and grav tho,bit yes it's stats aren't great. The drill seems abit lacklustre imo. The volkite calivers have same issue as the support unit. That gun needs a boost
@batteredwarrior
@batteredwarrior Жыл бұрын
*Abaddon ;-)
@Bldbrrg
@Bldbrrg Жыл бұрын
Argel Tal killed it in 1 melee phase with 3 instant deaths rolling 3s I got lucky
@jw7500
@jw7500 2 жыл бұрын
I am legitimately scared of this thing
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Its more scared of you than you are of it Maybe?
@jw7500
@jw7500 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hearesy perhaps? Real talk tho, I don't think my current army can really deal with one, so I suppose kiting is my best option here?
@Hearesy
@Hearesy 2 жыл бұрын
Yeh. In the last 2 games I played it did nothing for 2 or 3 turns of the game. Obviously it exerted its presence and battlefield control and that has value, but it was played around by my opponents. Assuming I know what Im doing, that shows how easy it can be to play around. I wouldn’t have changed it in the list, because what it did was very important in terms of zoning. But you dont need to be able to kill it to deal with it is the point.
@combatwombat2134
@combatwombat2134 2 жыл бұрын
Got mine yesterday. It's a really nice model but my God it's a bit of a tedious build. I've built a LOT of models but my word. 😅
@eater_of_garbage_
@eater_of_garbage_ 2 жыл бұрын
If you dont like the leviathan you should NOT touch the dreadknight, that kit makes me want to kill someone
@kavehrashid6342
@kavehrashid6342 2 жыл бұрын
Oh god really? The rhino was annoying enough already!
@combatwombat2134
@combatwombat2134 2 жыл бұрын
@@kavehrashid6342 I must admit, I'm doing the Rhino now and it's also pretty bothersome. Loads of lines, doesn't fit particularly flush, pushing the floor panel in was a REALLY tight fit. The Levy went together fine for sure, just bitty with like 21 parts to the arm.
@saintkupo7164
@saintkupo7164 2 жыл бұрын
Also Leviathans are Heavy, so they can't run.
@bagel_guy9495
@bagel_guy9495 2 жыл бұрын
how to beat it just avoid it and kratos
@3v3rhard
@3v3rhard 2 жыл бұрын
Rend, lightning claws, nemesis bolters all work great
@XxXchrisXxX78
@XxXchrisXxX78 2 жыл бұрын
Anything with brutal
@Chewie2208
@Chewie2208 2 жыл бұрын
Mine has two storm cannons. As that's what I bought. Doesn't matter if it's optimal or not,it's beyond cool to have what is an orks wet dream.
@ResonanceSD
@ResonanceSD Жыл бұрын
"Most Dakka" I did the same.
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