How to Get Good at World of Warships Episode 17: Battle Flow for Battleships

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iChaseGaming

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In episode 17 of How to Get Good at World of Warships we'll be looking at what heatmaps for battleship movement looks like on various maps courtesy of the wonderful work done by reddit user u/icantjavabutcsharp. Hopefully, this grants you a larger overall strategic picture of battles and a better idea of how a battle flows for a battleship player.
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@ichasegaming
@ichasegaming 4 жыл бұрын
Since someone mentioned this, let me clarify something. These are heatmaps for BBs that end in winning games. While it shows the general flow of the battle, aka how people tend to move in battle, it is still essential that you decide your final positioning based on the capabilities of your ship and what the opposing ships are doing (aka go back to the BB positioning video for ideas there)
@JainZar1
@JainZar1 4 жыл бұрын
A heatmap from unicom+ players for the different classes would be gold.
@kevinreed-jones3179
@kevinreed-jones3179 4 жыл бұрын
Great, correct, exact, flawless. Problem is that until WG introduces skill based balanced Team/Match Making any strategy/tactics just goes down the drain. Thank you for these greatly educative vids iChase, but the notions there contained will remain fruitless (when applicable), as long as there is no balance between teams. If WG don't stick their hands into this major issue, good-very good regular players won't put money into WOWS, regardless how many premium ships WG throw in. This is a great guide for FTP players like me who just benefit from gifted premium time and only play up to T8 (and then rent ships for CBs), though it won't get me to start again putting money and more time into the game. You are in the position of telling them: balance the game, revise silver ships, nerf CVs, etc., make skills count in this game (like it used to be in the very beginning), and many good players will come back and purchase again premium time and ships. Thank you for your activity, anyways!
@gorgefood9867
@gorgefood9867 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like this is more helpful on how to counter most BB players because I notice they lemming the same way everytime. So you can easily pick a spot that can get broadside shots on the most trafficked areas and camp.
@Edi_J
@Edi_J 4 жыл бұрын
How those heatmaps were generated? I thought WG never released the decryption key for WoWs replays?
@Stormskip
@Stormskip 4 жыл бұрын
Chase: "These are heatmaps for BBs that end in winning games" Me: Sees giant heat blob in center of Two Brothers. Chase: "Don't do this" Me: But... Winning...
@niemofang7685
@niemofang7685 4 жыл бұрын
*sees big red spot in mid on two brothers* Flambass I'm looking at you
@uchiha617hh
@uchiha617hh 3 жыл бұрын
and jingles for advertising these things
@ecpcharles
@ecpcharles 4 жыл бұрын
meanwhile CV postion map: *insert static image here*
@JainZar1
@JainZar1 4 жыл бұрын
You feel an ominous presence,... Yuro knows your location.
@garymckeon5410
@garymckeon5410 4 жыл бұрын
that red line going in the middle is flambass
@foxymoronvideos3270
@foxymoronvideos3270 4 жыл бұрын
I really wish more people would learn from their mistakes on Two Brothers and Fault Line. I sometimes see the same players going straight up the middle on Two Brothers even though it always gets them torped to Hell. If you're a BB, stay away from there until late game. Even DD and CA really shouldn't go in there, but rather pull up by the entrance in kiting away position, especially if you can launch torps backwards. Much more helpful than rushing straight up the middle and insta-dying. Though I'd prefer it if you help the BBs on the two flanks instead, but hey: ambushing middle rushers is better than being a middle rusher. Meanwhile with Fault Line, it's not always a great idea when heading to the eastern side to cut in closer to the middle, on the near side of those two islands instead of the far side where the cap is. More often than not I see this ending very badly, and then the BB/BBs heading to east cap end up on their own against 4-5 ships of varying classes and get overwhelmed. You can't earn glory if you get yourself killed and leave your team without support. If you have super amazing concealment, then maybe you can set up in an ambush position especially if you're fast enough, but most people I see cut in on the near side don't even try that, they just rush straight at the DDs and CAs and die horribly. And one more thing that applies to all maps: If you're afraid of fighting, get a Champagne, so that at least you can do damage while hiding with your tiny testicles. Bugs the hell out of me when I see these juggernaut tanky BBs hiding behind an island in the far corner of the map and doing nothing until the last 5 minutes of the match when there's no way we can lose. Meanwhile I'm having to fight 3 on 1, even 4 on 1 in some cases, or else I'm having to meat shield for my team mates in order to minimise our losses, all because one of our biggest damage dealers is running away to hide. I think that's enough ranting from me. Had to get it off my chest though. Since this pandemic started I've noticed a surge in rookie players. I'm new myself but at least I'm learning from my mistakes, as well as from videos like this one.
@ronankuek8646
@ronankuek8646 4 жыл бұрын
I see lemming trains most the time.
@KIRBYBOX360
@KIRBYBOX360 4 жыл бұрын
i love these sorts of videos with forensic approach
@Rockstone1969
@Rockstone1969 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting... key is conserving forces in the flanking battles to have a bigger change to win the subsequent battle.
@lennartmeinke8861
@lennartmeinke8861 4 жыл бұрын
Nico Steentjes Or you play a central position to enjoy the broadised that the flanking ships will almost always show
@kevinreed-jones3179
@kevinreed-jones3179 4 жыл бұрын
Provided that half of your team doesn't suicide within the first 2 minutes
@n0us.
@n0us. 3 жыл бұрын
If I knew someone was using game data to make a heat map, I would have sailed in a *certain* pattern...
@MihaiD259
@MihaiD259 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job, thank you for teaching.
@charlescdt6509
@charlescdt6509 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work. This is going to help me alot.
@ichasegaming
@ichasegaming 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@batrastardly4574
@batrastardly4574 3 жыл бұрын
Well done, thanks
@NoFramesPerSecond3924
@NoFramesPerSecond3924 4 жыл бұрын
"if everyone bows in and tanks correctly" You wish!
@landongrace1264
@landongrace1264 4 жыл бұрын
Wow my notifications worked. Thanks for the vids bro
@ichasegaming
@ichasegaming 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@Lukos0036
@Lukos0036 4 жыл бұрын
Said it before but thank you for making these.
@abhijeetsutar5259
@abhijeetsutar5259 4 жыл бұрын
Love your vids m8
@funkyfireball
@funkyfireball 4 жыл бұрын
I honor your effort creating this video. Though it could be summarized just to the point that the ships clash at two flanks at the beginning and then head to the mid. I think the strategic point comes short - how to respond to these general expectable movements of your opponents (and that is even only about tactics). In the end it is about tactical decision to position yourself better towards the opponent than the other way round. The strategic is non-existent - unless you have a division/Clan Battle and plan your movements really ahead. Sorry, if that sounds too harsh.
@chewsandy3547
@chewsandy3547 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Chase, can you make videos of " how to get good " for each( if you would ) nations ships base on thier capablity ? I felt i'm getting worst on my skills. ( been playing G.K for quiet some time but lately she's just not that enjoyable anymore due to the incress in numbers of HE spamming ships,be it mid range or long range.) BTW like your videos. Keep it up. GL.
@CheekyDancer55
@CheekyDancer55 4 жыл бұрын
Only been playing for 6 weeks. Love BBs up to a tier 6 atm. Game play tends to go for me. Diagonally to one side depending how I spawn. Flat out 20 kn. Our sides light cruiser taking the cap gets nuked and in a few mins it's 5 on one and a turn round to head back to the centre. On fire and burning through a heal usually. By then I have usually citadelled something only for my team to reach engage and help me and take the kill. At which point I turn around and re engage. It's just basically for BBs to end up doing this Diagonal racetrack loop from the center to the edge.
@asterismastorocostas2615
@asterismastorocostas2615 4 жыл бұрын
Is there an official mod page for Eu server? When i went to the recommended one it showed NA. Maybe EU servers dont like mods or it doesnt matter which server are you in?
@reagantangleigen9551
@reagantangleigen9551 4 жыл бұрын
i remembered going thru the middle on 2 brothers as a cruiser and seeing like 4 ships in there
@dabeast-tt6es
@dabeast-tt6es 4 жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial
@elmateo77
@elmateo77 4 жыл бұрын
What kind of monster prefers C# over Java???
@Whiskey_Tango_Foxtrot_Designs
@Whiskey_Tango_Foxtrot_Designs 3 жыл бұрын
what are you/the map creator using to generate the heat map analysis?
@slateslavens
@slateslavens 3 жыл бұрын
ever notice that the shape of the two islands is essentially a megaladon tooth?
@TheDarktornado
@TheDarktornado 3 жыл бұрын
So im struggling with playing my ships, cruisers or battleships. Mainly BB's as I like surviving in battles and BB's seem to have that. Anyways, I struggle with the game because I don't know what to do against Torpedo walls. I just got hit with a pincer of two invisible cruisers and DD"s launching torpedoes and im too slow in the Groser kurfurst to dodge them. So I guess my question is... what do I do? Im trying to get into secondary range but all these destroyers and cruisers with massive amounts of torpedos are just smacking me down.
@shawnh3269
@shawnh3269 3 жыл бұрын
Chase whens the next video coming out??
@jenvandrak
@jenvandrak 4 жыл бұрын
I am afraid that the heatmaps will be useless, because of wrong criteria. When 24 potatoes play 12 always win, therefore the majority of movement is not optimal. Using a heatmap of unicum player BBs winning would likely be much more useful.
@gorgefood9867
@gorgefood9867 4 жыл бұрын
Ya, you can instantly tell on some maps that this data was made from potatoes. Like on Fault Line at 10:20, jn most situations a BB that pushes into the eastern channel is a potato. There is no reason to because if you're just outside the channel everything in the channel and on ther other side is within 16 to 17 km. Any cruiser or BB under 15 km is easy game for tier 5 or above BB. Pushing into the channel only removes your guns from the rest of the map for the next 5 minutes. The only reason to push in as a BB is if you're the only person able to cap it.
@petrosmarko3092
@petrosmarko3092 4 жыл бұрын
I play all classes but I have major problems with German bbs. I have the typical German bb skills and upgrades but going against with my Bismarck to fight an other bb if I show a the smallest bit of side, just to shoot 1 or 2 of my back turrets I get almost full pens. Then get angry and jump on my Shokaku, GZ or Lex and fuck upp ppl. Would be happy to see something similar for dd, CA and Cv
@marcingrzybek8516
@marcingrzybek8516 4 жыл бұрын
Wargayming: "How about no, for let me sing the song of my people: SUBS" LUL
@tofuburger9986
@tofuburger9986 4 жыл бұрын
the heatmaps remind me of bacteria
@anderskorsback4104
@anderskorsback4104 4 жыл бұрын
So the moral of the story is: Regardless of terrain, starting with a double flanking, refused centre is the way to go. Which just goes to show how much of overall strategy hinges on getting enemies caught in a crossfire.
@gorgefood9867
@gorgefood9867 4 жыл бұрын
The heat maps are just showing where most BB players go. Most BB players suck like really bad. So you see them lemming into places they should rarely be. Of course, the pattern I've been seeing is that most BB players want you to lemming train with them or they just run. So if you try to be proactive and create an easy crossfire 5 minutes into the game, your BBs don't lemming train to where they normally go. I'm speaking from experience. It's literally why people are worse than bots. They're sheep that don't think in terms of "what do I need to do or be at to win" and move accordingly. They think in terms of "what is everyone else on the team doing" and just follow like a bunch of puppies. It's why you often see 6 idiots hiding behind an island not shooting at anything or pressuring a cap for 5 minutes. When I'm in a BB I always feel like I'm playing against my team instead of the enemy because they ruin my position by following me everywhere I go. They effectively take themselves and me out of the game because any halfwit would just point their bows toward the both of us, making me be stuck in a Jean Bart shooting HE. I used to have fun playing BB but when I got better it just made me pissed when potato BBs tail gate me everywhere I go because I know instead of having a good flank, my flank will end up being a drawn out shoot-out until a BB gets impatient and charges in, gets crossfired, HE spammed, and torped to death.
@barefoot_James
@barefoot_James 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you'd use a different color than red for your arrows.
@thurindot7384
@thurindot7384 4 жыл бұрын
He did. It is pink actually. :D
@Schaneification
@Schaneification 4 жыл бұрын
Best thing to do is hide in the back and hope to be carried , if they fail you milked your team for Your EXP and is top players on your team a WIN/WIN
@jlo8863
@jlo8863 4 жыл бұрын
why no one love "the Central position" like Flamu does?
@niemofang7685
@niemofang7685 4 жыл бұрын
I would say in general it's not easy to pull off safely as you are in the middle and if you go too aggressive then you are in a really bad crossfire. Basically you can shoot at everything but everything can also shoot at you so you need to be very careful.
@jenvandrak
@jenvandrak 4 жыл бұрын
Because this is not"the best bb positioning", this is the most common bb positioning. This is what average bb players do.
@gorgefood9867
@gorgefood9867 4 жыл бұрын
@@jenvandrak that would explain alot. Most BB players are more useless than bots. At least bots know what angling is. Probably better to use these maps to see where you're likely to get the broadsides of BBs.
@iamplay797
@iamplay797 4 жыл бұрын
these titles make me think of getting learnt with ricky from trailer park boys 😆😆
@imamage
@imamage 4 жыл бұрын
Well it doesn't work very well in Asia server as there are too many Botssss in-game
@m1k300003
@m1k300003 4 жыл бұрын
No point playing battleships as there are subs coming out
@vladimiru1772
@vladimiru1772 4 жыл бұрын
Subs which will have their own battle type...
@jameswatson5011
@jameswatson5011 2 жыл бұрын
Soooo, pretty much WHY I quit playing world of warships. The SAME thing over, and over, and over , and over, and.........
@lubossoltes321
@lubossoltes321 4 жыл бұрын
Sleeping Giant has both a 4 cap and a 3 cap variant ... but the flow is not different due to how the islands are laid out .... EDIT: Land of Fire has a 4 cap and 3 cap variant as well .... Oh god, based on these heat maps, the game is really boring and predictable :-)
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