I think tau got a bit of raw deal on detachment rules: they basically followed all of your rules but then condensed it into 4

Thank you for your cleaning service. Definitely appreciated.

Every chaos god specific codex should have a detachment for bringing demons, one for bringing chaos knights and one centered around their Demon primarch. There’s 3, GW. On the house.

Hey would you guys be willing consider being playtesters for a tabletop wargame? You guys have great ideas and seem to have a good idea on how a game should be

Thank you! Because I love the addition to the lore of female custodes. Been playing them since they came out and always had female kitbashes and now with the new lore my female army is canon

When I was rage-calculating it before the episode Eric's exact words were "Jesus Christ, you're seriously doing this?"

​@@thepoorhammerpodcast It it makes you feel any better, i have never heard those words in that exact sequence before, genuinely suprised by the levels of (justified) pettiness you have shown in this episode and im not even 20 minutes in. Edit: I just got a idea for a new episode, find the largest plastic kit of each faction and calculate its points/dollars per gram of plastic.

This made do that calculus on my own novel. I’m charging people 0.0125c/word. Thanks for the morning depression, Brad…😢 I have to sell 480,000 words to afford 300ish from GW

​@bcw1313 ha! Our translation team, including editorial work asks less per word from a *companies*, than GW from customers. Guess I chose a wrong line of work!

I feel like it is a way to force a useful illustration on people who want to make excuses for GW. Although Brad I only expect your rants (which i mostly love) to become worse because I dont expect GW to do 10 percent of your very good suggestions (those that are very good, im not saying everything suggestion you have is very good).

I love that

I've recently begun dipping my toes into Tau after eyeing them for several years, and I'm feeling a mix of excitement and deep, deep concern.

It can't be great for sales

Oh Christ I'm going to have to pay 60$ for a paper weight so that I can get a code to access the up-to-date rules.

​@@collegeoffoliage6776 Or just don’t. You can play index until 11th probably.

It IS weird, and kinda a first. I can not remember this happening in 40K before, and I was around in late 2nd edition and ever since.

yes please, hell they could still keep the codex's the way they are but sell them as an art book and the game thing would be a advertisement for the in game faction giving an example of the original interpretation they had for that edition with a link that takes people to the free online rules. you could play with the codex art books if you wanted but they would be very unbalanced because gw's original interpretations are never balanced. It could be fun though as a one off thing to do with a friend like "hey, you wanna play a game using the crappy art codex's?"

What this guy said!

Printed rules close to the end of the edition that have been play tested and updated would sell. I wish GW didn't run on a rapid fire edition model.

Votann would love it. Their codex is their only lore so they desperately need it

^This. People would absolutely still buy codices, if they were just fancy art books.

as a Tau player its been fucking wild to watch

Just watched an Auspex vid on how good you can make an elite Meganobz army. Someone nailed it in the comments: "I remember back when Custodes were more elite than Orks."

My man, have you seen admech? It's miserable. I play both admech and custards, and 10th is the worst edition so far...

My local GW store owner told me about how in the beginning of 9th basically the same thing happened. The custodes player base shit itself and died once they saw the codex, then it turned out it was extremely OP and had to be nerfed several times. So i’m holding out and hoping its better than we think.

@tbomb69 I admire your optimism. I'm not really competitive grade and mostly play casual play with old friends, so I'm not too worried about losing a lot (plus my first and foremost is Guard, so I'm used to getting my ass kicked lol). I'm more annoyed on the principle of GW dicking over my compatriots on the competitive side.

Or having a writing team of more than 3-5 people that all individually work on a dex Poor multi billion dollar company cant afford to hire more people from a fanbase that writes better rules in mere days 😢

It's unfortunate but GW is at the top so they can basically do whatever they want. Both with their incredibly expensive model range and they're very outdated ways that they release rules. Although I'm sure if the other compan ies managed to claw their way to the number one position, they would also be just as bad

Rant start : Yes please, Start with indexes online, add and real-world balance additional detachments for each army online, release new Minis add Datacards for them online, and then at the end release all Faction + Detachment Rules in one book (Print on demand). Close out the edition with one big narrative campaign. with one book with all the rules for all factions in this campaign, next Book, maybe campaign battlefields, suggested order of play. And a trilogy of novels, or trilogy of short stories in Black Library with all the story. Instead of this piecemeal approach as with Psychic Awakening and Arks of Omen. Have all Players have their Codex right from the start. Not this: Here is the final codex for this edition, next month we will start a new edition and everything in it will be obsolete. Rant end ..

@@ichbineinberliner1776 On the contrary, there's literally nothing stopping you from playing a previous edition. A capstone codex for a faction would include all the rules and final balance changes of the edition and would thus be a single purchase necessary. No more balance passes, just play the edition as it was at it's end. Technically codexes are only obsolete NOW because they're written 6 months out of date and don't have ANY accurate numbers in them. Hell, I wouldn't even include narrative campaign stuff like oghram in the codex save with the results of that narratively recorded in the history section, just basic crusade. Those narrative campaigns would be released during the edition as a way to maintain currency influx, rather than the staggered releases of obsolete-on-purchase codexes we have now.

@@klaykid117 Nothing brings about a fall faster then assuming you're going to stay on the top forever.

I really like this idea. That way you could have the lore be impacted in some ways by the results of that edition's tournaments, similar in some respects to what Old Version of the Legend of the Five Rings card game did.

The Dark Gods require their payments. GW. Chaos Gods are actually pretty cool dudes.

As a GK player, I am soooo fucking concerned for their codex 😢

I can see it being like just roll D3 to see how much mortals you take instead of leadership test THEN roll for mortals

​@@Vohtwomax I pray you guys at least keep your teleporting shenanigans. From the outside looking in, that seems like the most fun part of playing Grey Knights.

@@theshamurai32 I would love GK to be great at 2 things: teleport shunting(it's kinda their entire schtick) and killing Daemons. I don't mind if they're terrible at everything else. I would love to see some kind of Rock-Paper-Scissors epement introduced where X faction is great at dealing with Y, but Y will be good at fighting Z, and Z can defeat X. Grey Knights>Daemons/Chaos, Chaos>humans/Astartes, Astartes>xenos, and so on and so forth.

I think they don't do that in order to sell more minis for the meta chasers that change armies throughout the editions

May be a bit much, I would say 5 years with that plan is better, because you have a whole like, 3-6 years when the game doesn't have new codices, and can maybe get stale because of it. I think 2-3 years after everything released is much more interesting, gives people enough time to spend with all the rules and not get tired of it, I know I would

The unfortunate side effect is I kinda dread the Sisters release in summer. I'm not too worried for CSM as my other army since they already confirmed 8 detachments (surely at least one will be fun right?). Sisters on the other hand I can easily imagine them sucking the flavour out of and giving too few detachments.

Yeah, balance is better overall, but people still complain just as much. Edit: Maybe my comment is too much of a turnoff as well. I am not trying to say poorhammer is wrong, they are right, GW should do better. What I am saying is that some fans are toxic, and complain to complain. The balance of the game is better than ever IMO, and instead of worrying that mid tier armies are not OP when they get a new codex, I would rather GW work on buffing the bottom armies, and debuff the top ones. There will always be a meta, and that meta will distort win rates more and more as the game becomes more balanced.

Oh hey it’s VonCarmian! If anyone here plays Sisters do yourself a favor and check out this guy’s stuff

​@@redspec01God I hate these Stu Black talking points. This isnt an esport it's a skrimish roleplaying game. I rather things be creative and fun than chess

@@redspec01 I think long term boring rules are gonna be worse for the game than overpowered ones that can be tuned down.

It’s going to be 3 detachments, cult of Magic, oops all tzangor, and something else bad.

​@@timunderbakke8756 "Cult of Magic", "Oops all Tzangor", and "I swear Daemon Engines have been a key part of TS all along ; Magnus adores his Maulerfiend"

Omg after the custodes got 2 detachment with sisters of silence I can already see it coming one is going to be tzaangors pluss Thousand sons and the other tzaangors by themselves

Nah, we had codex birdmen back in 8th. Tau have assimilated that title from us this edition. TS have a Tzaangor one, a Spawn / Mutalith one, a Demon engine one, something with demons and pacts that focusses on the infernal master because he's a unique thing for TS and.... oops, that's your 4, we ran out of ideas. So sorry. Its not like you wanted to play thousand sons in a thousand sons army anyway, right? If we're very VERY lucky, Tzaangor and Spawn / Muta will be a single detachment focusing around mutation and we'll get a cult of magic (preferably that isn't built around 1 strat making the rule completely OP for one unit, but is otherwise useless).

GOOD FINKIN'!

And Brad into an Iron warrior

Yeah! He'z should stop mukkin about!

But then this wouldn’t be a Space Marine podcast with two hosts who main Space Marine factions

Zoggin gud finkim

Commenting to boost this

If there was a fourth wall to break it would be dust, and I like that

Man, it's a good time to be an Ork player

One word: Mek

Also Crypteks in the Canoptek Court. They can embed with immortals and warriors to spread the keyword around.

Does it work also for example for Azrael leading Hellblasters with lieutenant? Do they all get Deathwing keyword because of Azrael and can I slap enhancement from inner circle on lieutenant because of it?

​@RaggiDrex Probably not in that case as I believe you choose Enhancements during the choosing your army step, whereas you don't attach leaders until the Declare Battle Formations step.

i dont know if i hard agree but i get your point nothing sucks more then waiting for your codex and getting publically crapped on however it does suck to get a codex be cool for a week then eat 600 points worth of nerfs and have all of your cool shit taken away its like would you rather be blind to the cool shit or get it only to have ot taken away

I believe that great philosopher was Kaptin Badrukk

A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME

"I'm just being in character as Red Corsairs. It's called roleplaying!"

Where did you see that

I don't believe you.

Sorry guys, it was meant to be a joke on how the codices are written really far in advance.

turn 1 start in monka after firts turn you can change to kauyon, (you cant change back to monka)

On the Montka/Kauyon i totally agree and make it you can choose one and change but if you change you're stuck and the more you stay in a way the more bonus you get.

*3 months later GW: sorry not enough data

Yeah my biggest positive about thr Custodians and Ork release is at least the ork players I know are happy. I play Custodians

As an admech player I'm more.or.less waiting for next edition. We've got fundamental problems.

As a Necron player, I feel the same.

AdMech since 9th edition...

We're going to get 4. One will be Harlequins, one will be Ynnari.

A Wraith heavy army that makes them noticeably bulkier would certainly help. Maybe a another brand new Wraith unit devoted to long range fire support, a Dark Reaper style gun for instance.

@@mrbigglezworth42 it's not really a troop and requires investment but they can get long range heavy firepower from a double gun wraithknight.

@@EngineerOfVaul Wraithknights are also expensive to field in that setup and don't noticeably perform much better then just doubling up on Wraithlords with dual heavy weapons. Even the Wraithlords aren't ideal for that but are at the very least the cheapest Wraith unit available.

Considering the run Eldar have had this edition, I think I'd be hoping the Codex never drops.

A few where probably supposed to get a bigger model release with them that they had to scrap and the codex where just printed without any change *cough cough* ad mech cybernerica *cough cough*

​@@justarandomtechpriest1578 why do you have to remind me 😢

I dont think any of them started out fun to begin with.

Ok, that first one is funny and painful, I didn't notice that on my quick read of the leaks. The second I won't hold against the codex writer, it's almost certain it was written before the Battle Tactics change occurred in a dataslate. The codex will need FAQs done to modernize it to the dataslate (which gets back to the "stop making paper rules" point.)

@@thepoorhammerpodcast I can see that but my only issue with that is they have yet to change the type of a strat since making that balance dataslate and how they wrote this codex and the lack of synergies doesn’t instill confidence that they will make that change. I mean why run a codex detachment where the strats only affect a single model after removing so much already.

I can't believe I forgot Crypteks, we even got stuff FAQ'd because of that detachment!

It'd be hilarious if EC kept being an Index for the rest of 10ed I'd be furious, but it'd be hilarious

​@@sonarchy5158 They did say it won't be out in the foreseeable future so it'll definitely be a while

Its probably not going to drop until after World Eaters at minimum, so not until late 2025.

@@saltytattie833 it was already leaked last year because we are supposedly getting space wolves at the same time, end of the edition just like votaan and world eaters so could be up to 2 years realistically

The timing on the announcement of the EC Index is really funny because of the fustercluck with Custodes, like they're throwing a bone to distract people.

To be honest, I think after the crap they're pulling with rules, I'm just gonna make my own set of detachment rules for me and my friends, and we're just gonna play horde mode. I just can't have faith in gw to provide a fun game environment around their own minis anymore, not with how they've screwed up psychic, flying units, votann being half an army, harlequins being none of an army, world eaters being less of an army after they got rules, grey knights losing their main gimmicks, admech being 2k dollars for 2k points, just no. I'm done. At this point I don't want gw to pay attention to xenos because every time they focus on an army it gets worse, and then the price goes up.

Warhammer 40K 10th Edition: "We didn't get it right the last nine times :( . . . so spend over a thousand dollars for a new ruleset so we can try it again!" When you look at it that way none of it's a mistake really. 🤔

Tau actually has 3 very usable detachments

Give the Tau a stealthy detachment. Here, a detachment rule. Stealth Fields. All battlesuits with 9 wounds or less gain the stealth keyword. If an infantry model hasn't moved since the end of your last turn, it gains the stealth keyword and cannot be shot from outside 18". Give them enhancements that give a character Lone Operative, one that gives the character and unit they lead the smoke keyword and a once per game free pop of smoke for that unit.

So pretty much it is "Pop the smoke, they have AT gun!" detachment

​@@Jfk2Mr I was thinking more "win the ranged game without it being me just gunning you off the board"

I'd say the exemption should be intercessors and heavy intercessors unless they have a different battleline unit that basically does the same thing

@@l_____________l_______l I would just name them "Dark Angel Intercessor Squad" and either give them the same or, if you wanna go the extra mile, chapter specific rules. Like give the "Has OC1 even while battleshocked" to those intercessors and give the dettachement actually something even remotely usefull.

@@MrPublikus yep that's a good way to do it

Space wolves is trying since they have a unique variant of basically every remaining firstborn unit, but the detachment is terrible because while it's playing to an SW strength (the character roster) the characters are overcosted and they don't impart their keywords to the unit for detachment rules. Nobody uses it and for good reason

The Dark Angels Supplement is a mess. All the Ravenwing Data Sheets that exist inside the supplement (Black Knights/Ravenwng Command Squad, Dark Shroud/Vengeance, etc..) have a unmentioned 5++ Save. This includes both Aircraft, the Nephilim Jet Fighter benefits the mosgt because he has a permanent -1 to be hit enemy shooting attacks, enemy shooting attacks that have the FLY keyword suffer a -1 to their wound rolls when trying to shoot the Nephilim and they layered a 5++ on top of that. For 195 points you can have a plane that your opponent is going to be -1 to hit and -1 to Wound and if you happen to hit and wound it, he still gets a 5++. I'm assuming this is a nod towards the 9th edition Jink bility which gave a 5++ to unitd with the Ravenwing keyword. This included Outriders and would have been applied to Stormspeeders because they gain ravenwing My only question is was this an oversight from the new GW staff? When divergent chapters take specific data sheets from the Vanilla Codex they typically contain keywwords so thjey stay consistent with the rest of the chapter like Ravenwing did in 9th and the A supplement isnt even close to being OP. It would help balance against several of the data sheets we lost, during the DA "Refresh". (Talon Master, Terminator Strike Master, Terminator Apothecary, Terminator Champion, Hell I'd be happy if they gave back Outriders their 5++ with the Ravenwing keyword, gave Inner Circle Compaions a -2 AP on their Direct Attacks profile (I was looking though other data sheets tha thad 2 handed weapons and they all had a -2 AP and maybe consider giving them a 5++ but only during the Fight phase. FOr some reason GW flipped the AP values for DA.Most of their data sheets that deal 2 or more damage in melee have a -1 AP... Also you cant raise the points on the Monolith when you made it the center of a detachment's special rules?? And increasing the points on all Necron Crypteks except for 1 and then increasing the Technomancer to 85 is a major set back after already removing a unit from the list of units they can lead. And changing Szereasd's points again, make up your damn minds... Increasing the costs of Immortals after nerfing Warriors 1 weapon and changijng thier Reanimarion diee from a D6 to a D3...and speaking of Reanimation, yes we already knew Reanimators with a 12" aura was too sztrong, but you guys did that. It should have been 6", and now we h ave to wait for another 6 months fpor actual faction rules changes. And why the sudden silent removal of the Overload with the Void Scythe. Can we assume that 40K is changing over to a 10.5 edition? I'm ready for 11h edition, because this has been a clcown show... Geez, I cant wait for the Chaos Marines Codex which has 8 Detachments...would be nice if we could get our 3 special characters back....oh and you should have increased Wraiths points and not the technomancer or split the increase between both...

Not farsight melee? Make tau survivable-ish in melee

​@@b-beale1931 the trick to making tau survive in melee is to either make one of the sub-species have melee focus (like a berserker unit) or have a primaris style breakthrough in gundam suits that make them tougher/able to punch good lol. Both unfortunately require gw to care about tau

@@bobthegamingtaco6073 I was thinking more that their combat knife could be up to imperial guard bayonet/shovel standards

@@b-beale1931 that would be a good start too

I really didn't want to spend another 3 hours going into datasheet issues. I feel like we could do that as a "Designing Codices 201" class instead of 101.

​@@thepoorhammerpodcasti would love to listen to that lecture lol, game design is one of my favourite things to analyze, and James Workshop fails in such unique ways for a successful game that it's fascinating to dissect every little bit

Only makes sense for an evolving rulebook. Physical books should be for things that do not change, like their could be am argument for the basic rules of 10th edition being print, but anything that needs patching or balance changes should be in a pdf on the website.

​@@bobthegamingtaco6073the problem is that the Balance Dataslate makes the point of Codexes moot. Rules can get changed so drastically that unless you cut out and tape the new wording old-school White Dwarf style into the book, a physical release makes no sense. Rules and datasheets on their own should be free, with anything else being paid for so the artists and writers get paid by people who want those extras in their $60 books

Hot take: divergent chapters shouldn't be a thing. Until we get supplements for different guard regiments just roll all the fancy space marines into one codex

This is a solid point, I think the rule needs to be reworded then to make GSC fit within it. I don't have the rewording I want ready to go, but you're correct it needs it.

@@thepoorhammerpodcast Off the top of my head, I think the flashier it is, the more % you can afford to not be affected. But a good rule of thumb could be that it should at least affect things that every list will use. Or affect all your Battleline at minimum, even if it's very flashy.

The Biovore even has VORE in the name, but only the pyro got it. If vore isn't harvesting I don't wanna harvest.