How to make carbon fibre at HOME! DIY [vacuum bag]

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Carbon Workshop

Carbon Workshop

2 жыл бұрын

Real Carbon Fibre Fuel Cover.
An easy DIY option to make Carbon Fibre using a household hoover for vacuum bagging.
The cost of this part, does not include re useable things like the mould, vacuum bag and hoover.
I will add most company's make carbon fibre products using prepreg carbon fibre which is a lot more expensive to buy, cure and finish, however for nice cosmetic looking parts this can work great!
Products used in this video -
Gel Coat
www.easycomposites.co.uk/epox...
Laminating Resin
www.easycomposites.co.uk/el2-...
Carbon Fibre
www.easycomposites.co.uk/200g...
Peel Ply
www.easycomposites.co.uk/200g...
Breather Cloth
www.easycomposites.co.uk/br18...
Vacuum Storage Bags
www.amazon.co.uk/GQC-storage-...
#epoxy #diy #carbonfibre
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@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
Please note - In the price I have not included the cost of re usable things like the mould and vacuum storage bag, which will last hundreds of parts if well maintained.
@jurinero1
@jurinero1 2 жыл бұрын
and also priceless skills:)
@sergiodestefano6752
@sergiodestefano6752 Жыл бұрын
may I ask: can the process work with a polyester resin instead of epoxy? Being the mould polyester by itself, there shouldnt any problem, right?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
@@sergiodestefano6752 yes polyester resin also works very well and cures alot faster to
@sergiodestefano6752
@sergiodestefano6752 Жыл бұрын
So, mate, let me get this straight: first you put on the gc50 gelcoat to create a uv stable surface. Then after it dries out completely you go on with the rest of the process. Question: given the fact that the gelcoat has totally dried out, doesn't that give problems in terms of bonding with the carbon surface? Next question: i want to make a fiberglass or carbon cover for a motorcycle tank. It will be a wet layup with poly resin... you think i can vacuum bag it or better leave it alone given the concave shape? And if I vacuum bag it, will it be necessary to trim ALL the excess to avoid movement at the edges, where there is no mould? Thanks
@josefraga2146
@josefraga2146 Жыл бұрын
🎉🎉
@PN_48
@PN_48 5 ай бұрын
Recommended to me by the algorithm. I do a lot of fibreglass boat work and had always been put off vacuum bagging by the hassle of making the bag, connecting the separate pump, etc etc. Your video is brilliant. Such an easy approach and very cost effective, not to mention cutting down on plastic waste. Thanks for sharing - I look forward to testing this weekend👍
@X85283
@X85283 11 ай бұрын
Be careful about using your bare skin with epoxy resin! It is a sensitizer, which means over time it can make you more and more allergic to it, to the point it can cause serious problems to be around it.
@felixcat9318
@felixcat9318 Жыл бұрын
What a remarkably good outcome, I had always wondered if a domestic or industrial vacuum cleaner might work in this application.
@ExadousPT
@ExadousPT 2 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed how you make it look so simple. Thanks for sharing once again.
@dearbornjeremy
@dearbornjeremy Жыл бұрын
Very cool. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
@t4ckel365
@t4ckel365 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always!
@E.T.GARAGE
@E.T.GARAGE Жыл бұрын
Very helpful I may give this a try and make a front license filler plate for my 90 corvette.
@JaysEvo8
@JaysEvo8 Жыл бұрын
That's looks great bro!!
@DelCalloway
@DelCalloway 2 жыл бұрын
I'm intrigued by your methods! I need to try skinning the way you do and be patient with the initial layer you start off with, the end product is fantastic!
@simonac688.
@simonac688. 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a great idea 👍
@minoman6434
@minoman6434 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 Жыл бұрын
Hello, it worked now and is ha solid material, but the gel coat is still sticky between the carbon and the original product. What can I do that it isn’t sticky anymore?
@meilleur102
@meilleur102 Жыл бұрын
Do you have the composition of the breathable cloth? I'm in Canada so it's pretty expensive for the shipping if I buy from the link you provide
@ilkeray2029
@ilkeray2029 2 жыл бұрын
Merhaba. Epoxy gel coat ve carbon fiber ile yapılan parçalar güneş ışığında dış ortamda şekil değişikliğine uğrar mı yamulur mu?
@chipmunkshavenuts
@chipmunkshavenuts 11 ай бұрын
Hmmmm, when I did it, I missed the gelcoat first. Interesting. I want to try the resin infusion method next time for myself anyway. Just got a used Gast diaphragm vacuum pump to use.
@matteomelai3881
@matteomelai3881 Жыл бұрын
I've tried this method on a piece of mine but I am struggling to let the carbon fiber adhere to the mould. What should I do to let the carbon fiber adhere perfectly to the surface mould?
@Very_horny_rapists_meiteis
@Very_horny_rapists_meiteis Жыл бұрын
Is the surface of the carbon fiber smooth Sir??? And is it strong enough to withstand minor scratches?
@billjonesnation
@billjonesnation Жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of the gel coat in the first stop. Stronger than epoxy and polished better?
@lucdaggers6224
@lucdaggers6224 Жыл бұрын
So there's no heat treatment required for this process? How long did you leave it under vacuum for
@georgividenov3259
@georgividenov3259 Жыл бұрын
I have learned so much from your channel! I am in the process of creating my own mold design for a trunk wing spoiler. Would the method with the vacuum bag be good enough for a more complex detail? Would the vacuum bag create enough pressure for the carbon to get to the contour of a more complex mold? Anyway, I am almost ready with the mold and waiting for the carbon delivery so will find out myself but any hint would be appreciated! You are a blessing for the carbon enthusiasts community!
@jrich436
@jrich436 9 ай бұрын
It only takes .2hg to vacuum form Easiest way to make a wing is to CAD a wing and form a block around it Print the block(s) so you have a negative and then follow the procedure you see here to make it Most difficult part is forming the supports internally for the mounts I’ve done it and honestly….. easier to just buy a ABS wing and skin it in CF and be done…..
@space_SHUTTLE420
@space_SHUTTLE420 7 ай бұрын
dont have epoxy for carbon idk is it gone work with polyester hardner ?
@Santos-qn2ob
@Santos-qn2ob Жыл бұрын
Great Minds think alike!..I was thinking the sam thing but on a bigger scale for door panels and hradliners
@CameronDe
@CameronDe 3 ай бұрын
So with the vacuum process do you leave the vacuum on for a certain amount of time? Or do you seal the bag then turn it off
@md.abu-saddsayeed8591
@md.abu-saddsayeed8591 4 ай бұрын
what is the name of motor and cutter ? great work
@henrytischbein155
@henrytischbein155 10 ай бұрын
How did you get it to release from the mold
@Ramen592
@Ramen592 Жыл бұрын
Hello excellent job thanks for information, I was just wondering how much time you wait after last gelcoat, before applying epoxy resin? Thx
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
Just until touch dry. Usually about 1 hour at room temp.
@jeremybillauer9584
@jeremybillauer9584 Жыл бұрын
I was always curious if you could use those home vacuum bags for this. Guess so! I have a project where I want to make a panel that is 78"x140" I was planning just to do a wet layup but I think the vacuum is important. What do you think would be the best way?
@chipmunkshavenuts
@chipmunkshavenuts 11 ай бұрын
I have used these bags for this purpose. I personally had at least one bag fail because you can't leave the vacuum cleaner running the whole time as it would burn up from not having any air flow after the bag is emptied, and sometimes those valves don't seal right. They can definitely work sometimes though. I also had another one fail completely my fault, as the mold had a rough outer surface which punctured the bag. Also, as I understand it (definitely not a pro), this is wet layup method, also using vacuum. Alternative methods are resin infusion, requiring a vacuum pump pulling the resin into the vacuum bag through tubing setup for it, and using prepregnated sheets that I think require heat to help cure them. As stated though, I'm no pro and could be wrong.
@antoninalberti7209
@antoninalberti7209 Жыл бұрын
@Carbon Workshop hello I have a question: we may not see it in the video but do you pass your preparation in an oven? if so how long at how many degrees c?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
With this part only room temperature was needed to cure.
@TheWindsurfk59
@TheWindsurfk59 Жыл бұрын
Nice job! 👍 Can I ask where you got the little blue plastic attachment you use to attach your vacuum bag to the vacuum cleaner? thanks
@frankcarden4709
@frankcarden4709 10 ай бұрын
It's part of the plastic storage bag
@rswayne2462
@rswayne2462 2 жыл бұрын
Looks good quality, do you make anything for the rocus rs
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
No sorry mate
@ZenT8055
@ZenT8055 Жыл бұрын
hi! i love and learn a lot from your channel! i have some questions and correct me if i wrong. 1. the method u showed is kind of similar to achieve prepreg end product but without using prepreg carbon right? only use normal carbon fibre clothes. right? 2. can the parts like above video be cured again in oven/autoclave after overnight cure to achieve higher strength? thank you and pls make more videos! love your channel!
@PepassacoOfficialCanoeist
@PepassacoOfficialCanoeist Жыл бұрын
Also interested:)
@J-Wrks
@J-Wrks Жыл бұрын
my only question is how did you cap the vacuum bag without releasing the pressure?
@gregbrightwell4682
@gregbrightwell4682 Жыл бұрын
In those type of bags, there is a 1 way valve that will hold vacuum long enough to get the cap back on.
@jefftroxell4923
@jefftroxell4923 Ай бұрын
After you trimmed the carbon fiber, you should've sealed the edges with CA glue. Not sealing the edges can cause delamination.
@liviogaleotti1182
@liviogaleotti1182 Жыл бұрын
Great result, i didn't get well how much time rest among gelcoat and first layer of resin, and then, i saw that you pull the gelcoat after it rests for 10 min, do you apply other gelcoat in that moment? or simply you pull what you have applied before? Thank you
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
Hi, After the gel coat has been applied I leave it for 10 min and then simply use the same brush with no extra resin. Then leave cure to touch dry (about 1 hour)
@liviogaleotti1182
@liviogaleotti1182 Жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops sounds good, do you let it cure at room temperature or higher, before moving on to the first layer of resin? I asked it because I saw a really good result with no bubbles on the first layer .. could you recommend some tricks to avoid that problem, like putting the flame on the top or something else?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
@@liviogaleotti1182 just cos at room temp. You shouldn't get bubles in gel coat if you mix slowly and brush on thin as possible.
@MrEpool86
@MrEpool86 Жыл бұрын
which one the best polish compound between McGuire's,3m and g3?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
I use g360. Works very well
@ndrew_kite
@ndrew_kite Жыл бұрын
what is the straight aluminium sanding block that you use ? thanks
@Ngontih
@Ngontih Жыл бұрын
permagrit block
@TTL834
@TTL834 4 ай бұрын
may i know what do you apply so the fiber and resin dont stick into the mold?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 4 ай бұрын
Mould release wax
@robbphillips2845
@robbphillips2845 Жыл бұрын
How strong is it compared to oven baked? It certainly looks the part.
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
Not quite as strong, but for cosmetic parts it's perfect.
@outaline7
@outaline7 2 жыл бұрын
Great content and instructional videos. Any suggestions where to get some of the products you recommend here in the US? I checked with Composite Envisions here in the States, but they apparently don't offer a polyester gelcoat that is compatible with epoxy resin. Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated. Keep up the great videos!
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I believe duratec sunshield is a good product, epoxy compatible and available in the US.
@owentrip7459
@owentrip7459 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, can I know the white cloth name?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
Breather cloth. Link in the description
@rawrtravisrawr
@rawrtravisrawr Жыл бұрын
what would happen if you just bag it without peel ply and without breather cloth
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
The bag would stick the part, and excess resin probably get stuck to the mould edges / reverse.
@apeddel
@apeddel 2 жыл бұрын
I think I know why, but why do you add a gelcoat layer first? I guess just for shine/hardness/UV stability for the outside? What brand gelcoat is it, and is it hard to get one compatible with the epoxy?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes gel coat will add UV, and make the part easy to polish. Without gel coat you will struggle to get a nice shine
@Meerda
@Meerda Жыл бұрын
How many long u vacuum the mould? Until let dry or what?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
You can leave as long as you want. I turned it off after 1 minute and relied on the bag seal
@cruisecontrol6938
@cruisecontrol6938 Жыл бұрын
So let's ask this. These vacuum bags I see go for cheap Amazon for about 34$ US with the blue cap. Would you say these same bags can be cooked at 120° F? If it was discussed already I am sorry
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
Probably wouldn't take the temperature of 120deg. But you could cure the part the bags maximum temperature. And then take the part out of the bag and carry on the cure slowly.
@simoneperno2343
@simoneperno2343 Жыл бұрын
hi! someone know a web site in EU i can buy these products?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
I believe easy composites do
@timkremer
@timkremer 8 ай бұрын
AFAIK, The vacuum level achievable with domestic vacuum cleaners and vacuum bags is typically not sufficient for a good quality wet layup process of carbon fiber epoxy parts. This process often requires a higher level of vacuum to ensure quality and structural integrity in composite materials like carbon fiber. In the wet layup process, a vacuum is used to: 1. **Remove Air Bubbles**: To ensure there are no voids or air pockets that can weaken the material. 2. **Ensure Proper Resin Distribution**: To achieve a consistent resin-to-fiber ratio throughout the part. 3. **Compact the Layers**: To create a dense, uniform laminate with good fiber-to-resin adhesion. The vacuum level required for this process is typically higher than what domestic vacuum cleaners can provide. Industrial vacuum pumps, often used in composite manufacturing, can reach vacuum levels of about 99% (or 0.1 kPa), which is significantly higher than the 80% (or 20 kPa) achieved by household vacuum cleaners. In summary, while domestic vacuum cleaners can create a basic vacuum for general household tasks or simple vacuum bagging, they are not adequate for the more demanding requirements of carbon fiber epoxy wet layup processes. For such applications, specialized equipment designed to achieve and maintain a higher vacuum level is necessary.
@user-ed1mi1un4e
@user-ed1mi1un4e Ай бұрын
How many minutes did you vaccume it sir?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Ай бұрын
About 1 minute
@TheALEXMOTO
@TheALEXMOTO 2 жыл бұрын
Круто!!! Но что с этим делать ? :)))
@simoneperno2343
@simoneperno2343 Жыл бұрын
is it important bake in the oven the carbon? i see this step in a lot of video. Sorry for my bad english but i am italian 🥲
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
The main reason is to post cure the resin to stop is distorting in hot sun light.
@simoneperno2343
@simoneperno2343 Жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops thanks man!
@simoneperno2343
@simoneperno2343 Жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops what happens if i cook it without the vacuum tube?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
@@simoneperno2343 you might just get some bridging holes where the carbon has come away from the mould. The vacuum keeps everything tightly compact.
@PaulRiceJr
@PaulRiceJr 2 жыл бұрын
Great work but you should of wore gloves when laying both the ply and breather. A hand reaction may not happen instantly but can be bad in the long run.
@RSTee3000
@RSTee3000 Жыл бұрын
Does using vacuum cleaner really works instead of pump?
@billjonesnation
@billjonesnation Жыл бұрын
I found the shop vac didn't create enough pressure to get good detail.
@TheWindsurfk59
@TheWindsurfk59 Жыл бұрын
It won't create as much vacuum, so it won't work as well but it does work. Wouldn't recommend using a vacuum cleaner for structural parts. A vacuum cleaner also relies on air flow to cool it, so if you use a vacuum cleaner for this a lot it will burn out, especially if run continuously on leaking bagging jobs like boat or surfboard repair where it is difficult to get a complete seal.
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 2 жыл бұрын
How long does it have to be under vacuum?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
I left under vacuum for just 30 seconds, and the rely on the seal on the bag.
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 2 жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops so if I understood correctly, I put it in the back, put it under vacuum for 30 seconds and then get it out of the bag?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops 2 жыл бұрын
@@seantex8041 Once vacuum bagged. Leave overnight to cure in the bag.
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 2 жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops or did you leave it for a longer time in the bag without the vacuum?
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 2 жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops thank you
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I left it in the vacuum bag for 10 hours but it still was soft and sticky. Did I do something wrong with the mixture or was it to short in the bag?
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
My guess is resins not weighed correctly, or cured for 10 hours in cold temperature.
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 Жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops of had about 22 degrees Celcius. I tried to use 25 ml resin + 7.5 ml Catalyst, but since it was normal house temperature it should be the resin that went wrong, since there is no other way to tell what else it could be
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 Жыл бұрын
*I had
@seantex8041
@seantex8041 Жыл бұрын
@@CarbonWorkshops there is no other way to weight the resins and catalyst correctly other than with a measuring cup
@CarbonWorkshops
@CarbonWorkshops Жыл бұрын
@@seantex8041 you could try weighing the resin with high accuracy scales?
@Rsvmick1
@Rsvmick1 5 ай бұрын
5 pounds plus 10 thousand hours to master the art.
@tomkzinti2760
@tomkzinti2760 Жыл бұрын
While likely accurate, your cost calculations leave much to be desired IMHO. I'd prefer to see initial outlay values rather than cost-per-use or cost-per-piece values. As I see it, that's how most folks would have to begin.
@thomasgolser6367
@thomasgolser6367 Жыл бұрын
I cant believe that the materials are so cheap
@helloslayer666
@helloslayer666 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to add your time to the cost price, as well as the time spent on mistakes, before obtaining mastery. This is where the cost price and the final price of carbon are formed =)
@LAWAUTO
@LAWAUTO Жыл бұрын
Great video - "ANNOYING MUSIC"
@richardsmith9509
@richardsmith9509 Жыл бұрын
its spelled V...CUUM
@xpim3d
@xpim3d 5 ай бұрын
no gloves xD
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