How To Set Ignition Timing on a Honda CB550

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Classic Octane

Classic Octane

8 жыл бұрын

How to set static ignition timing on a Honda CB550.
Should be a very similar process for CB750's as well.
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@sammyjoe7777
@sammyjoe7777 3 жыл бұрын
Just a note, the retaining bolt is actually a 23mm socket, not 24mm. 24mm will work though, but might slip occasionally. Love the videos, thank you for all the effort you put into them!
@jeffbunner9019
@jeffbunner9019 7 жыл бұрын
Just happened on this video and sure took me back in time! 43 years to be exact. I bought a brand new '74 CB 550. Metal flake orange. I don't think the oil ever got dirty in the 4 years I rode it. Really enjoyed riding back then but I'd be scared to death to ride now. Thanks for video!
@joejacobs87
@joejacobs87 3 жыл бұрын
I just got the same one
@hadendeal5727
@hadendeal5727 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos, I just purchased a 74 CB 550 and I am in the process of cleaning it up to ride. Your videos have been extremely helpful.
@daveco1270
@daveco1270 5 жыл бұрын
Just picked up one of those test lights at the local auto store, can't wait to try this and see if my timing is set correctly. Looks pretty easy. I was able to check my valve clearance after watching one of your videos. A lot of this stuff isn't that difficult. Just did my first carb clean and carb sync recently too.
@thetranfamily3910
@thetranfamily3910 7 жыл бұрын
Hey man, just want to thank you for making this video. It really helped me out with the timing part. Love other videos you made as well. Awesome!
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching!
@benclower10
@benclower10 6 жыл бұрын
Be sure to adjust the points first. Also, you can just use a multimeter without having to buy a light. Also, it's a good idea to replace the condensers (cheap) when you adjust the timing.
@tww1491
@tww1491 4 жыл бұрын
Years ago on a CB750 I owned, I had an aftermarket point set that used Delco (GM) points that could be adjusted with an Allen wrench and then set with a dwell meter. I checked timing with a timing light. This was the same set-up I used with my 71 454 Vette.
@buskman3286
@buskman3286 10 ай бұрын
Japanese motos of that era do not use Phillips screws, they are JIS screws. Get a set of JIS screwdrivers to avoid camming out/messing up the screw heads.
@edstoneghost8475
@edstoneghost8475 6 жыл бұрын
Always set point dwell (point gap) with dwell meter first on each set of points. Then adjust timing with a stroboscope (timing light) with engine running. This can show the actual ignition timing above 2500 rpm (full advance) which is where your engine will spend most of it's operating life on the highway.
@MarioLopez-tt1ey
@MarioLopez-tt1ey 6 жыл бұрын
Great video men right on point!
@kensmith9334
@kensmith9334 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and helpful.....Thanks!!
@KAPSGarage
@KAPSGarage 4 жыл бұрын
Hey classic, I have a 83 NH cb550 but under my timing cover looks completely different.. is there another cover to get to this?
@sandman4897
@sandman4897 4 жыл бұрын
Would this be the same process for a 97 cb750? The manual says to open the left crankcase well the insides look completely different and oil spilled out lol (in the manual it didn't show oil )
@Eia_mm2.playzz
@Eia_mm2.playzz 4 жыл бұрын
Awsome. Thanks!
@joejacobs87
@joejacobs87 3 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a 74 cb550k thats been sittong for years! I got it running but only stays running on choke and giving it gas. Do I need to adjust carbs? I don't know what I'm doing. I need some parts for it, am I able to find parts for a bike this old? Clutch isn't engaging even when i lift the piece on motor that cable connects to. Main concern is keeping it idling on its own. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
@mikemcqueen6486
@mikemcqueen6486 2 жыл бұрын
Would this work with any older bike? Same technique? I got a 78’ Kawasaki kz650 and pretty much have the same similar points as your CB
@artguess9893
@artguess9893 2 жыл бұрын
I think I broke or stripped my timing nut. How do I fix that or am I totally screwed? Thanks for any info and love your vids!
@dylanlawrence3824
@dylanlawrence3824 4 жыл бұрын
I just got a cb550ss 76 it ain't ran in years and it isn't getting a spark at all I don't have a battery in it im just using the kick start can you help me??
@jamiepeffley999
@jamiepeffley999 Жыл бұрын
Any info on wiring a 72 cb500 as of now I have 1 green and 1 black coming from the points n that's it
@ecirlos4902
@ecirlos4902 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I am a new subscriber and new to bikes. My 1975 cb 550 leaks gas when it’s turn off through the bottom and it won’t stop, what could it be?
@chargerman100
@chargerman100 7 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@buckwheat7424
@buckwheat7424 7 жыл бұрын
for the last couple years i've been having hard time getting the F mark to line up with the case mark, using a strobe after setting the dwell both points , so the backing plate is snug in it's races, advance mechanism is good, fresh stock advance, again with the strobe the F mark is to the left of the case mark, i'll rotate the plate clockwise, as the mark travels towards the case mark it just never makes it there, and as soon as i touch the plate to return it the mark jumps to almost the full advanced double marks. the motor then is stumbling i'll return the plate back to the other side. and the f mark comes into view but to the left still. applying pressure to the plate from different angles 1, 5 and 9 o-clock i can get the mark closer. then 2&3 check it's vibrating ( i understand that may be due to the bolt that fastens the advance mechanism and the "special" nut not being centered. if everything comes together, and 1 bump to the plate anywhere sends it to the scenario above, then it's difficult to get back. any ideas?
@robdc4829
@robdc4829 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same spot - I run out of adjustment before I can get them to line up. Not sure how to solve that.
@Crucifiedevil
@Crucifiedevil 6 жыл бұрын
solid video, thanks!
@lifeasinterns
@lifeasinterns 7 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts when the test light won't come on at all, no matter how the adjustment? The key is in the on position. Is there a way to test if the capacitors are bad?
@kylehanson6363
@kylehanson6363 7 жыл бұрын
Having the same issue. Were you able to find a solution?
@lifeasinterns
@lifeasinterns 7 жыл бұрын
Kyle Hanson Yes, after some research, I thought capacitors could be bad. I ordered new capacitors and points at 4into1.com (Dime City also had them) and went ahead and switched them out. Test light worked after that and was able to get everything timed correctly with help from this video. Everything now runs smoothly. Hope that helps. Good luck.
@HagersvilleHunk
@HagersvilleHunk Жыл бұрын
my CB 650 has electronic ignition. Is it the same procedure ?
@vosong156
@vosong156 7 жыл бұрын
Hey my 1&4 is off but 2&3 is on. what do you mean by turn the plates? just turn the plate the around the slot of the screw or turn 360 until the light go on
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
You can loosen the phillips screws to rotate the whole points plate until the 1&4 lines up then you tighten it and loosen just the smaller 2-3 plate to adjust those.
@vosong156
@vosong156 7 жыл бұрын
Classic Octane update: no matter how far i rotate the plate the 1-4 will not light up, but the 2-3 line up perfectly and light no matter my clamp is on the 1-4 screw or 2-3 screw.
@vosong156
@vosong156 7 жыл бұрын
i have the clamp at 1-4, the light is off when line above the letter F and the line in the hole line up. i keep rotate and the light is on when the line of 2-3 line up with the line in the hole ( i still have the light hook up to the screw on the 1-4 side) it keep stay on until i get to 1/8 inch away from the 1-4 line and the its off.
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Double check and make sure you're on the compression stroke for #1. Both rockets should be loose at that point.
@thomasbrock7
@thomasbrock7 7 жыл бұрын
With electric ignitions, is the timing process still the same??
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Yes it should be similar to get the base timing set.
@Travis7109
@Travis7109 6 жыл бұрын
I have the mark between the T & F on 1-4 lined up with the mark on the motor. But when I twist the plate the light never turns off. It’s always on no matter what the position of the plate. Do I have bad points? Or?
@Dave-hr8je
@Dave-hr8je 6 жыл бұрын
Travis M Try and adjust the points gap. It sounds like they are never breaking contact
@manuar1000
@manuar1000 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I am having the same issue! Do you manage to fix it if so how do you do it?
@Travis7109
@Travis7109 2 жыл бұрын
@@manuar1000 It’s been years but I think it was a matter of setting the gap between the points.
@chrisfitts5564
@chrisfitts5564 2 жыл бұрын
When trying to do this exercise, as soon as I attach my test light it lights up and stays lit regardless of turning the crank. It does this even with the key OFF! I'm guessing I've got a ground issue. Unfortunately electrical isn't my strong suit. Where do you recommend I start?
@pdr1787
@pdr1787 Жыл бұрын
I’m on the same boat . If I figure it out I’ll give you a heads up.
@piglover5000
@piglover5000 Жыл бұрын
You ever figure anything out on this? Got the same issue..
@pdr1787
@pdr1787 Жыл бұрын
@@piglover5000 Points were dirty and 1-4 points were beating into each other. I ended getting an electronic ignition from "Charlies Place" in socal where i live and now all cylinders run well. hope this helps
@slash12387
@slash12387 7 жыл бұрын
Question to all you gear heads, I've got a 1975 xl350 almost the same as this bike. I got spark at the plug, good compression, fuel going to the carb, all is good! Except it won't fire, could my timing be the problem ? Any suggestions guys?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff, You said you have fuel going to the carbs but do you know if they are clean and the fuel is actually making it into the cylinder?
@bengalurumotorcycles877
@bengalurumotorcycles877 3 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you match the permanent mark with the advance mark on the plate?
@andrewwilds1878
@andrewwilds1878 7 жыл бұрын
Good vid on timing, what about setting the point gap?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Sure, next time I get my hands on a bike that has some I will try and put a video together. The only bike I have in the shop now is my Triumph with an electronic ignition.
@andrewwilds1878
@andrewwilds1878 7 жыл бұрын
Great, love the vids...stayed up way past my bedtime last night watching them. I just picked up a Honda 550Four in DC that has been leaning up against a fence since 1982...really complete, never hacked on...looking to your vids as a great resource.
@telemark140
@telemark140 2 ай бұрын
My problem us my light stay open when i adjudt 1.4 with big plate 🤦‍♂️
@SPECTREapparel
@SPECTREapparel 6 жыл бұрын
So my light is staying on full circle for 1-4 and 2-3 do I have a short somewhere?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you don't have enough gap between your points to break the circuit.
@SPECTREapparel
@SPECTREapparel 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks but actually the gap is open. I found something odd that both points are open upon close inspection, so I going to replace the points and see if that does the trick.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Just did this on my 78 cb550. 1-4 were perfect. 2-3 stayed lit the entire crankshaft rotation. I checked wiring. Bad condenser? Bad coil? I noticed on the way your points are wired, the 1-4 blue and green seem to be on the same side of the screw. My PO has the ground on the head side of the screw and the positive on the nut side. Matter?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't think that would matter. If the light stayed on that means the points are not breaking apart. Do you see them moving when you're rotating the crank?
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Yes. I'll clean and gap points again tonight. Something in that circuit is grounded to make it stay lit. The circuit is closed. Maybe the green ground is touching something. Hmm. I'll report back. I've been working on this since Jan. 22 and I want to fire it up!
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
No go. Bad condenser? Maybe I'll switch condensers and see hat happens.
@pdr1787
@pdr1787 Жыл бұрын
What happened?
@hunnermonroe8722
@hunnermonroe8722 6 жыл бұрын
What if your turn the rench counterclockwise rather than clockwise will that affect it in a negative way
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that will loosen the bolt and the motor isn't designed to rotate that way. I would only turn it clockwise.
@hunnermonroe8722
@hunnermonroe8722 6 жыл бұрын
Classic Octane so if i turned it counterclockwise to many times and i cant seen to get the timing right and it wont start but i still have good compression and seems like it wants to start but wont, what should i start looking for? I have new battery and pugs and wires and fuses and rebuilt carbs. And im getting gas to the engine and carbs. Basically I messed up and turned it counterclockwise and im scared i really messed up just dont know how to find out if i did or not
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know if you're getting any spark? That way you can rule out your coils and condensers
@hunnermonroe8722
@hunnermonroe8722 6 жыл бұрын
Classic Octane yes i am.
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 6 жыл бұрын
I would track down some instruction on installing the timing components from scratch. This will insure you're timing plate is in the correct orientation with the cam.
@EnriqueGarcia-np3ty
@EnriqueGarcia-np3ty 2 жыл бұрын
En español no hay nada?
@hunnermonroe8722
@hunnermonroe8722 7 жыл бұрын
my kick start isn't moving it. what does that mean
@jimmyfransen6840
@jimmyfransen6840 7 жыл бұрын
The piston is stuck.
@stockton350
@stockton350 7 жыл бұрын
Dumb question, but when you're using your test light, should the key and start switch be on?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, you need the power on for this to work with a test light. Thanks for watching let me know if you need anymore help!
@stockton350
@stockton350 7 жыл бұрын
Classic Octane thanks! Is it normal for the points to spark when I advance the rotor (with the key and switch on)?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
Yes they sometimes spark. I would use a small file and make sure there is no corrosion on the points. Sometimes they spark because of a small amount of rust formed on the contacts.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on electronic ignitions?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
I like them. If I have a bike that's in need of new points and condenser I usually just go for the electronic setup. I had a Dyna S setup on one of my CB550s and it works great.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Are they all the same or is there a reason you like Dyna S. I am going to try and keep my CB550 as stock as possible with the exception of two items. 1. Electronic ignition. 2. Front brakes. Any other non-stock items you like that enhance safety and reliability? I'm not looking for performance boost.
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
The Dyna is the only one I have experience with but I have heard good things about Daytona as well. The only other thing you might look into is LED lighting. They will be brighter and will last a lot longer than a stock bulb.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Cool. Can the home made manometers to sync carb work or should I shell out the money for one?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
If you are only planning on doing it to one bike then a homemade one should be fine. The only reason I forked out the money for one if because I use it on every bike I build.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
So does this process eliminate need to set / check timing with a timing light?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
This will get you very close. Unless you're still having issues later on this process should be enough.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Cool. Hey, just discovered my 550 k4 does not have the PD carbs on it. It has earlier carbs. Will that make ordering throttle cables difficult? Order for bike or carbs? Follow?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 7 жыл бұрын
They should be similar. Do you know if yours are a push/pull setup? meaning one cable pushes and the other pulls.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 7 жыл бұрын
Not sure yet. Picture are on my SOHC4 project thread. Look for 78 CB550 by Fezzler. I have not had gas tank off yet. But what I can see is KEIHIN Japan KB 2416 A-1 B-2. I have no idea, but using Google Search CB300/350 kept coming up. Previous own said he rebuilt the carbs. I asked if he cleaned and reinstalled OEM parts or used a kit and if a kit which one. I don't think he will respond.
@allanjohnston1056
@allanjohnston1056 3 жыл бұрын
Setting 1-4 no problem , but 2-3 showing out but I can't get light to come on !!
@allanjohnston1056
@allanjohnston1056 3 жыл бұрын
Sorted
@jonathwyllams
@jonathwyllams 8 жыл бұрын
Man, we have to drain the oil before that?
@ClassicOctane
@ClassicOctane 8 жыл бұрын
Nope, my bike is full of oil and all the spark plugs are still in. You can still turn it over easily.
@jonathwyllams
@jonathwyllams 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah man -_- After my question I stop and think: Obvius there don't have oil! Oil is insulating... Tks for your attention. Cheers!
@SteveHacker
@SteveHacker 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome.... BUT..... Remember: Those are NOT Phillips head screws and you should NEVER use Phillips screwdrivers on these Japanese bikes! Those are JIS screws, and JIS screwdrivers should be used (and NO, JIS and Pozi-Drive ARE NOT the same thing)...
@AIRMANBEAR
@AIRMANBEAR 6 жыл бұрын
YOU HAVE TO SET THE POINTS FIRST .. YOU SHOULD SAY LINE THE F WITH THE STATIC CASE MARK NOT BETWEEN THE T AND F LINES.. ALSO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GROUND THE MOVABLE PLATE WHEN LOOSE IN TESTING OR THE LIGHT WONT GO OUT . CAUSE IT HAS A POOR GROUND,,
@pdr1787
@pdr1787 Жыл бұрын
My light won’t go off and I gapped it correctly and have a solid ground on my timing light. You might have any tips on why?
@AIRMANBEAR
@AIRMANBEAR Жыл бұрын
@@pdr1787 YOUR POINTS HAVE A THIN FILM OF SOMETHING THAT IS PREVENTING THE CURRENT FROM FLOWING/// TAKE #400 SAND PAPER AND CLEAN BOTH SIDES OF THE CONTACT POINTS . YOUR SPRING TENSION MAY BE WEAK AS WELL
@lordofbasement
@lordofbasement 6 ай бұрын
There should not be any Philips screws on a Japanese Bike. These are JIS Screws ;-) And you better use an JIS screwdriver.
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