How to TUNE car audio - Why you need an RTA - AudioControl SA-4100i

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Tuning a car audio system requires the use of an RTA and an RTA microphone. An RTA ( Real time analyzer ) allows us to use an equalizer and adjust each octave so that our sound system's output is more acoustically correct. We can also use an RTA to match the output of our left and right side speakers which helps to create a true center image from stereo sound. In this video I introduce you to the new AudioControl SA-4100i RTA microphone and show you how to use it to tune my car audio system's DSP unit.
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@WilliamHinojosa 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. I concur, please more videos like this, I am (and I am sure lots of people too) interested in knowing how to correctly tune the low/high-pass filters, which slope to use, Butterworth or LR, etc. also a bit of info on how to select the right polarity of speakers and how to find the right RTA curve for your needs. Thanks again Mark, your info is always first class.

@andrewbatson9924 2 жыл бұрын

I installed my system 3 years ago, and have never tuned it. It's a class act installation with complete dedication and thoroughness. I don't trust local car audio installers for any advice or tune. This is where I'm at. Can I tune my 2 and 4 channel amps with the pioneer HU on my own? I don't compete. I just want to pull the best from the system, and justify any future upgrades.

@tvalchev 8 жыл бұрын

This is great. In my opinion, every car audio place where audio systems are being installed must have one of these. The question then would be if there is the right person who has the "ear" to tune the system. I hate to see/hear folks spending $$$ to upgrade their car audio and the end results are worst than the original with imbalanced freqs.

@canquoctuan9616 4 ай бұрын

Great. I went through many sites but I could not find the using of RTA in car audio tunning as clear as your sharing. Thanks a lot!

@macgeek2112 7 жыл бұрын

Recieved my SA-4100i a few days ago. I haven't had the opportunity to tune my car with it yet but I'm impressed with the quality of the mic. I was surprised that the CAF discount was still valid when I ordered it several weeks ago.

@jaydawg116 4 жыл бұрын

DM-RTA. Godsend. I demoed it tonight at an industry training, I’m ordering tomorrow. I have a non functioning SA3055 in my shop, but after weeks of fucking with it (resoldering bad connections and trying to find batteries for it online, still non functioning) I’m ready to shell out the $700 to get this badass little rta/oscope.

@hairkutta1 8 жыл бұрын

Dude please more RTA tuning videos pleseeeeeeeee

@MrSackcheese 8 жыл бұрын

Yes... More please

@hairkutta1 8 жыл бұрын

moreeeeeeeee

@sandiegotvinstall686 4 жыл бұрын

I agree

@massholemitch6699 2 жыл бұрын

Yessss

@showtheride9503 Жыл бұрын

Yes for sure more

@Troy_Audi0 8 жыл бұрын

Looks much better than my 150 Scope.. Nice job brother. keep it up.

@HifiVega 8 жыл бұрын

Definitely worth the price of admission!

@JamesW-jd4yg 8 жыл бұрын

Just ordered a mic using your code, great discount. Thanks Mark.

@CarAudioFabrication 8 жыл бұрын

Remember to slam that like button!

@jasonjackson329 8 жыл бұрын

Hey do you think that a novice could use this ? Well what I mean is. How easy it is to use for some people that don't know tuning like a pro

@Pabula 8 жыл бұрын

+CarAudioFabrication Im trying to use the discount code for the mic, but i dont see any change, is the discount still on?

@andrewjohn6853 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah 100% I'd never tuned in my life just following these basic instructions you will notice the difference might pay to do some extra reading though to make the most of it

@nelsonmontalvo6017 5 жыл бұрын

do you know some one in dallas tx that you recommend thats good ?

@B2sdad512 5 жыл бұрын

@@nelsonmontalvo6017 I have been looking for someone in Dallas for over a year, most shops either don't know how, don't have the right equipment or tune by "EAR", LOL.

@WireGuyGlobal 8 жыл бұрын

Once again, another fantastic video Mark ! I just snagged one of these before heading to New Zealand. I got lucky because they were sold out. Keep up the snap chats! Thanks again bro!

@MrVinter123 8 жыл бұрын

I just bought one and used the CAF fan sale, awesome!!

@Sobrac 8 жыл бұрын

Ditto. I hope you get a kick-back for our orders. I would never have known if I didn't hear about it from you!

@MrVinter123 8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Jensen 👍

@hassannasir90 Жыл бұрын

Hi brother, RTA tuning is for the driver person right? If you sit in the other seat or someone sitting in the other seat will have different experience. Am I right?

@UltraCon79 6 жыл бұрын

I just learned that you can use a camcorder 3-RCA to 3.5mm adapter to turn your phone into an RTA on RCA outputs. CAUTION LOWEST VOLUME SETTINGS ON SOURCE.

@RinksRides 2 жыл бұрын

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait ! An iPhone with a headphone jack?! What whichcraft is this?! Great video as always.

@frry6700 3 жыл бұрын

What is the value of target response in rta that we are looking when setting the value in eq?

@Leysner77 2 жыл бұрын

Nice but the mic is too expensive ,is there no cheaper option?

@Llegando_Tarde 6 жыл бұрын

Good video , i wish there was more videos of tuning like at the end of this video✌

@wizzkidelectronics 6 жыл бұрын

killer . been using true rta , a calibrated mic and usb m audio mobile pre for the last 10+ years .. im sure ill keep using that setup but as you know all that and a lap top gets so clumsy to use . but for many who don't have acsess to all that for a good price and a cell phone you can tune like the pros ... the best install best equipment cannot change a vehicles design

@nathanmcdairmant9318 4 жыл бұрын

So how do you set levels if you don’t have a DSP and are using the EQ on the head unit

@jameseberhardt3551 6 жыл бұрын

I was wondering if you could do a video on how to tweak your DSP EQ curve once you have the time alignment and balanced EQ curve set? I have a great sounding system thanks to using the Audio Control DM 608 and JL Audio DM 900/5. I adjusted the curve to my listening preferences keeping with a rule of less than 3 db per octave between frequency bands (I am 1 db at most). My issue is that I have drums rolling up the left side of the dash and down to the right kick panel. Not sure why I have a stage that seems to be low on the lower right side. I had Audio Control remote into my DSP and run several tests and they could not some up with the issue. I double checked the door speakers to ensure the wires were secured. Also the volume levels were equally matched. Its a bit frustrating to have a rock solid image that seems to be tilted.like the Titantic going down. Its beautiful but... Also, how do you get the image to project out onto the hood of the vehicle? I had a car in the 90's with Image Dynamic HLCD's and 8 inch mid bass loaded into the floor. We got lucky with the staging as it was quite high and centered but it seems near impossible to get the depth with door mounted speakers. On a side note I am using Hertz 6.5 inch coaxial drivers @90 hertz x/over point. The tweaters are on-axis toward center point of the ceiling (I am going for center stage not the driver listening position) which are loaded into sealed enclosures I made using your videos for making the composite plastic speaker rings which I added fiber glassed pods to. The rest of my system is a single 12 inch JL sub and two Rockford 5x7's for rear fill. This is installed into a 2013 Ford F150 Super Crew. I am designing the amp rack but wanted to get the sound adjusted properly before fabricating the amp and DSP racks. Thanks for making these pro quality videos!

@jameseberhardt3551 6 жыл бұрын

Found the issue..the factory pin configuration chart was reversed from 2010 to the 2011 model. e front and rear left speaker polarity was switched to assist in bluetooth issues. Oddly enough most tech sheets do not have this update.

@sureshv925 Ай бұрын

Mark please give me the link of the rta app that you are using in this video..... please

@adamf4273 8 жыл бұрын

Great video Mark! Wish I hadn't just ordered my rabbet bit tray :( guess I'll have to wait on this one!

@YourSoundPath 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, thanks for your videos. I have a couple of points to add. If you use pink noise than you actually want to see the graph falling down at higher frequencies and not being flat. The second point is that RTA do not using a FFT prossecing. It is a variation of that measurement and you have to consider it in the tuning. The speaker polarity test is too variating regarding how you hold the microphone to the speaker. There is better way to check this using the DC voltage ( a AA Battery or couple of those if you test the woofer) to see if the membrane of the driver moving in the right directioin by applying the DC voltage.

@psementalist 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome Video Mark thank you for making and sharing this video

@CarAudioFabrication 8 жыл бұрын

+PSE Mentalist Thanks for dropping by bro

@MrWolfman727 5 жыл бұрын

I had a quick question, when using your SA-4100 what weighting do you use

@77SonofGod77 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome Video Mark!~

@macymorse80 5 жыл бұрын

I’m getting the exact same mic later after I get my audio control DSP’s.

@wozzatherockdog1778 4 жыл бұрын

Waited many years for standard type head units to build in adjustability. How long before we can adjust individual speakers without expensive hop ups? I’ve finally been able to drag my SA-3055 out of moth balls in recents times. No longer do I have to leave customers with mediocre sound. Great to see technology become cheaper. Though I do recall many years ago some upmarket head units had their own mic & pink noise generator.

@teyjingwoon 8 жыл бұрын

Luckily I'm waiting for this video before i purchase on last week. Not sure you will cover an in depth review on the Audio Control product moving forward?

@jeffharris2766 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for making all of this great content! Can you make more videos of rta tuning? Say like you just got done installing all your gear. Just ordered the Audio Control SA-4100i and was wondering if you have used AudioTools also by Studio Six Digital?

@andyking05 Жыл бұрын

I know I’m late to the party but there is no link in description for the product

@u9Nails 8 жыл бұрын

Come back with an Android review in the future when they release one. (With a code of course! I'd buy one.)

@jameseberhardt3551 6 жыл бұрын

Audio Control is planning to release the Android and Apple phone - bluetooth connected DSP software/apps in Feb and the updated Split channel left/right EQ capability for the DM DSP's in April of 2018.

@vikranthk9536 3 ай бұрын

May i know the apps name to analyse the equalizer

@jeremyeubanks2387 6 жыл бұрын

so this won't work with an android based phone ?

@rhkips 8 жыл бұрын

I'd have bought one on the spot if they supported Android. Good to hear they might be working on one, though! Such an incredibly useful and versatile tool. :D

@CarAudioFabrication 8 жыл бұрын

+rhkips i'm an android user myself, had to borrow an iPhone to make this video. It was very helpful, its nice having it on a small easy to handle device so I can set it on top of my computer that's connected to the DSP. I'd like to have a windows tablet and this on a cell phone, cell phone physically connected to the tablet with a 3d printed support of some sort. Would make it awesome for tuning. lol

@cgrenesh Жыл бұрын

Under RTA settings, what is the best for tuning with pink noise? Flat, A or C ?

@user-ff6un1st7d Жыл бұрын

hi,can i use this model with lightning to type c adapter connect with ipad pro 2021 ？

@jmaxx73 Жыл бұрын

HI Mark, I know this is an older video, but I am getting in to tuning my own system. My question is, do you set your crossovers before you begin to tune with the RTA?

@dooflydetailguuy4349 Жыл бұрын

Did you blow everything up?

@lorenzotan5490 3 жыл бұрын

How to fix my SA-4100i microphone ? It won’t connect to my RTA application. I really need your help. Thank you

@frankromero9916 8 жыл бұрын

Hopefully they will release one for android.

@CarAudioFabrication 8 жыл бұрын

+Frank Romero I'm told they hope to have one by the end of the year, in the mean time you could always get a used iPad mini for cheap and use that. :)

@frankromero9916 8 жыл бұрын

+CarAudioFabrication cool I'm all android any how lol

@the_niceking7011 8 жыл бұрын

+Frank Romero You can use a Dayton iMM-6 and the "Audio Tool" app on Android. The Dayton comes with a calibration file that you plug directly into the app. It won't really be as accurate as this setup though.

@josephdussart9376 4 жыл бұрын

@vinceluardo8851 4 жыл бұрын

Very helful info, bro.

@miatgrad76 8 жыл бұрын

Did you get the guitar pic and the t shirt? Cool vid, and I can't wait to get my mic! Ordered an Lc2i today for my upcoming build.

@TheronOllivierre-nv7rs Жыл бұрын

Good afternoon need help updating the firmware please

@Darronsanderson Жыл бұрын

"Just like that artist is performing in the center of my dash JUST FOR ME" I like that. Hey, Mark, you have to use an iPhone for this RTA? An Android cannot be used?

@hermanhheutink 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can answer my question. I had a Kenwood DNR4190DABS + installed in my Jeep Wrangler. Now it wants to be that sometimes the amplifier does not turn on so that I have no sound at all. What went wrong?

@LuckyyTheDog 3 жыл бұрын

What is a good solution if there is no aux port in the car?

@PapaLuis85 Жыл бұрын

When can you do one on a Polaris slingshot or Campagnia T-Rex bike ? I own one and it’s hard to correct sound issues on a non enclosed vehicle

@WAKEFIELDRides 8 жыл бұрын

Liked and Shared!

@codyalbertson7137 8 жыл бұрын

Would it be better to have a double din head unit or an iPad for a replacement for a stock head unit for a 2006 f150??

@Azarudeen94 Жыл бұрын

I am a car audio Installer how to learn car audio tuning

@emartinspereira 6 жыл бұрын

Fiz a equalização da minha sala pelo Moto G, gostei. Tenho video. Sera q preciso gastar num microfone melhor?

@poindextertunes 3 жыл бұрын

I have an Android head unit with all kinds of goodies: eq, filter, loudness, HP/LP and other stuff i cant remember. Would this still be beneficial?

@MrMustang1973 7 жыл бұрын

My factory head unit does not have an AUX input. Will the speaker polarity feature in the Mobile tools app work with a burned CD of the speaker pop signal?

@xz86 8 жыл бұрын

when doing RTA, Do you keep your car shut off and use a external power to power the amps? RTA could take hours. also the code doesn't work

@cesarcervantes5840 8 жыл бұрын

I'm ordering one now

@michaelcontour414 Жыл бұрын

Possibly a stupid question, but in the Audio Control app, do you set the weighting to flat, A, or C?

@f.j.z3213 3 жыл бұрын

I know I'm late, but when will this be available for Android user's??

@slickass23 8 жыл бұрын

nice vid. How different are the results if you measured while sitting in the car? Seems like the frequencies, especially the highs, would be affected if you measured while in the car?

@HektorPascal 8 жыл бұрын

My is shipped to germany now :)

@TheMrDuffie 8 жыл бұрын

i cant wait to get one of these

@CarAudioFabrication 8 жыл бұрын

+TheMrDuffie :) Are you going to take advantage of the special CAF fan sale? Link in the description! :)

@TheMrDuffie 8 жыл бұрын

+CarAudioFabrication I took full advantage of the discount, it's in the mail. Thanks for all your help!!

@FriendM2010 2 жыл бұрын

What are you using to is isolate each speaker for tuning? Can this be done without DSP?

@chrissorensen2618 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark! Love the videos. I have been watching them non stop for days! Because of your videos i have purchased an audison DSP for my crew cab truck. I have Android. Any suggestions on a compatible RTA the one in the video is only for IPhone I bought a JL Audio 12 tw3 for my crew cab truck I'm having a hard time finding a box. can you design a specific box and have it tuned correctly? Do you have a phone number for your shop I got about a hundred questions lol.

@s3230777 8 жыл бұрын

Is Sa4100i able to connect to iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s+ and iPad Pro system?

@dominickjames1021 2 жыл бұрын

Long time listner first time caller. I'm a fan. I've been updating the sound system in my 2014 ram 1500 since i got her last year. So far i've swapped out all the speakers with a slightly upgraded version and upgraded the wiring and added 2 subs and and amp for the sub and one for the speakers. I got a DSP in my price range the DSR-1. How do i go about adding two more amplifires so each one only controls one of the high lows and mids. I'm a little curious how i would go about setting something like that up as well. Any advice is greatly apprciated.

@marcproulx6408 2 жыл бұрын

What rta mic can you refer that works with a android phone.

@costyytsoc Жыл бұрын

how does the FFT measure distorsion?

@MrSpanky473 8 жыл бұрын

So this is just for a base line correct? once you achieve the base line of your system, then fine tune to your specific tastes?

@gradientdesign9068 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome vids bud, is the SA-4100i coupon still current?

@208miuwu 8 жыл бұрын

Don`t know any of those big words but WOW

@changchung 7 жыл бұрын

great. thanks for share

@nickg3235 8 жыл бұрын

CAF- I have the same question as Jason Jackson, how easy is this RTA to use? I have an aftermarket car stereo and it's in need of some tuning.

@MeridaAudioDesing 4 жыл бұрын

recomienda alguno para android !!! gracias

@esmokebaby 4 жыл бұрын

Can i use the same technique using a Dayton imm-6 and Androids audio tool app?

@17shakil 3 жыл бұрын

I tried with RTA but my God so much distortion.! So I had to it by ears

@hubsi5263 4 жыл бұрын

Hallo great Videotutorial!! Can you tell me how is the name of the programm in Android play store?

@TexasChevrolet 7 жыл бұрын

so how does this compare to room eq wizard rta mode with a mic

@RobVaughan1984 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro

@PhillipTieuChainz 4 жыл бұрын

Do you have any recommendations for someone/company that does this tuning as a service in Houston, TX? I would really appreciate a recommendation!

@gator3-234 8 жыл бұрын

now that rocks. and hopefully they do release some android software.

@dewaynejay1032 Жыл бұрын

Where can I get this?

@chrispompano 5 жыл бұрын

HELP....... what kind of user friendly instrument can I use to measure and map-out decibels at different frequencies? I want to ONLY measure car interior engine/road noise to document and to see what frequencies I'm dealing with at what "db" to see if different types of soundproofing is effective before/after. Any recommendations for equipment? Or is this Audio Control what I need? I'm not in the Car-Audio industry, so please bare with me, and I'm sure there are ton's of equipment out there, I just need your expert opinions.

@jameseberhardt3551 7 жыл бұрын

Is there a way to overlay the RTA snap shot on one speaker over-top of the RTA reading for its partner? Basically, instead of writing down the readings for the various frequencies for say the tweeter on the left to level match to the tweeter on the right side of the vehicle? Also, is there an Android version of the Audio Control Mic?

@ReginalBronson 6 жыл бұрын

James Eberhardt I haven't found one. I recently purchased one from MiniDSP. It work well also.

@jameseberhardt3551 6 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated. I just spoke to Audio Control for another issue and they confirmed the release of the DM DSP Bluetooth Module for late Feb 2018 and the updated individual channel EQ capability in April of this year. The Android and Apple app for the DSP are about to be released as well.

@bongospank8321 2 жыл бұрын

I am getting new head unit which fairly deep independent front/rear eq (and new sub / amp / speakers), but this is an audio mix-check reference system, so I want a fully dialed target curve to be achieved when all head unit sliders at +/- 0dB so I know exactly how and where I am deviating from target curve if any sliders engaged. So... do I need another inline EQ to dial in that target curve according to the RTA measurements, or (on a relatively tight budget) is there some better way like more advanced amp or other item that lets me do that plus dial in crossover points or otherwise correct any imbalances? Also, for convertible, do you do two sets of RTA measurements (open and closed top)? If so, how do you handle switching system when top opens/closes?

@BABO437 8 жыл бұрын

Hey mark nice video Man U are the man .! So this mic it's just made it to work only with ipple products?

@CarAudioFabrication 8 жыл бұрын

+jonathan fernando reyes ordoñez Yes only apple products at this time, a list of compatibility is on their site. Be sure to check the video description for the special discount offer link.

@ruatpuiapuia4039 Жыл бұрын

What is name of rta app

@marywhore1 2 жыл бұрын

Anything like this for android yet?

@kcflyguyent 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark, I have the AC DM810. Trying to eq my system is a bit overwhelming. I really want to do it myself but I’m getting frustrated. Do I need a RTA mic to help out. Active 3 way, 6x9 rear doors and 2x12’s under seat. AC 4.800 and ACM4.300 for mods and highs. Skar 2000.1 for subs. Please help

@rishigunness6047 5 жыл бұрын

Can I use this method with a zoom h5?

@1marcelfilms 2 жыл бұрын

What if instead of a DSP you applied the EQ setting to your mp3 files with some program? or eq APP on the phone? Then it would be extremely cheap!

@CarAudioFabrication 2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't really work that way because you would only be correcting a left and right channel. Not the multiple channels needed for every speaker in a build

@williambrown1172 8 жыл бұрын

Mark, is your real RTA a SA 3055 or a SA 3052?

@chrisnas1483 4 жыл бұрын

Heyy Do they have an rta mic for android ?

@georgekolotouros230 7 жыл бұрын

No more rta until I get a DSP !!

@jasontalbot4519 3 жыл бұрын

But is there an option for Android?

@Leysner77 2 жыл бұрын

What is the name of the program

@wilfredofelix7449 8 жыл бұрын

greetings. can somebody help me. I have a audio control .4 for 4 channels amp. I connect coaxial speakers or combos the spakers hight frequency blow damage. I change de amp. same problems. the preamp is damage? thank you.

@MrTimdtoolman1 8 жыл бұрын

I like this tool but I don't understand exactly how this works.

@DrGeta666 6 жыл бұрын

a pink noise is played which is every frequency playing at the same time, this shows where you have frequency dips and spikes where you may not want them, in general you will want to make things close to flat + your personal preference, a completely flat system is easy to make using an RTA but will sound..well. flat. lol. this is more a help to work our where you have peaks and valleys with a single tone that shows it all at once, not trying to put on different songs that have different frequency responses.

@TimothyArmstrongamblixVR 2 жыл бұрын

Do you recommend tuning a DSP via the parametric eq vs graphic eq if available?

@CarAudioFabrication 2 жыл бұрын

Graphic seems to be more understandable for beginners. But parametric gives more fine control. Both work great properly tuned.

@smiter102 3 жыл бұрын

How are you able to adjust the tweeters separately from the door speakers? If you have a 4 channel amp powering them wouldnt you only be able to make adjustments to FL FR RL RR ?

@CarAudioFabrication 3 жыл бұрын

You run them active

@smiter102 3 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioFabrication Hey thanks for the reply! Sorry but im still kinda confused. @5:16 you say you adjust one single speaker at a time and that you start with a tweeter. If you have an amp with only 4 channels running 4 woofers and 4 tweeters in a typical FL FR RL RR setup, this means that on each of the 4 channels you have 1 woofer and 1 tweeter receiving the same signal. How would you separate woofer and tweeter signals in the DSP? Dont you need each speaker to have its own dedicated channel (IE an 8 channel amp)? Or do you just unhook the woofers while tuning tweeters, and then vice versa? (using a passive crossover to protect tweeters of course) Thats the only way i understand how to tune 1 at a time.

@mikkolaine4883 2 жыл бұрын

@@smiter102 , he meant he has them active so every speaker has their own amp channel. If you have passive crossovers, you need to tune the EQ with mid and tweeter together.