Hydrogen car sales crash 70% in America as furious owners try to sell
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6 күн бұрынHydrogen car sales crash 70% in America as furious owners try to sell
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@Bunyip_Studios 4 күн бұрын
surely once you've looked at where you can refuel and the cost of it, why would you buy one?
@PaleBlueDotCitizen 4 күн бұрын
Because there are "brand loyal" fools who are a car salesman's wet dream everywhere.
@SigFigNewton 3 күн бұрын
If you watch anti EV propaganda AND anti gas car propaganda?
@Nat_Ryder 4 күн бұрын
I can't believe that there are more than 200 fools who will buy hydrogen cars, unless they are all Toyota, Hyundai and Honda staff or benefitting from these companies.
@lesliecarter4295 4 күн бұрын
@@Nat_Ryder these sales are into commercial enterprises like port authority or massive warehouse operations where H2 is being rolled out. Mirai is used because it uses the same refuelling system so is ideal for testing.
@noctwice 4 күн бұрын
I know someone who bought one but keep in mind the fuel was free for the first two years. At the time when they bought it H2 was running the equivalent of $5 per gallon of gas which was on par here in California with the price of gas. Now H2 is $15 per gallon equivalent of gas which explains why no one is buying them and the price to resell one is nonexistent.
@user-hx5qv4kd6 4 күн бұрын
Surprised it’s not 99%. It costs 400-800 dollars to fill up one tank to get 400 miles. Dead on arrival
@jxmai7687 3 күн бұрын
sounds like burning cash to keep the car moving.
@johndoe-qo8cy 4 күн бұрын
Making hydrogen is not complicated. Its called Electrolysis. Its just inefficient.
@johndodge8999 4 күн бұрын
Storing it is complicated. Just ask NASA.
@yootoobvyooer 4 күн бұрын
Making includes compressing to 10,000 psi of metal destroying gas in quantity, and that isn't easy hence the high cost. If only electrolysis, it's as useful as plain water.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@johndodge8999 NASA is using hydrogen fuel cells and hydrogen powered rockets for decades now.
@neilkurzman4907 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen could be made from electrolysis. But it’s typically made from natural gas.
@johnmanderson2060 4 күн бұрын
@@johndodge8999Exactly 🤜🏻🤛🏻
@nemesis1134 4 күн бұрын
A group of friends know I'm all about EVs and they were surprised to hear me say hydrogen cars are a waste of time for home use, too many people are still confused about what sustainable means. Or the notion hydrogen will l make them practical.
@freethinker4991 4 күн бұрын
I never understood the H2 concept. Use electricity to split H2O when you could just Charge a battery and ditch all the complicated equipment.
@lordofsevenrealms 4 күн бұрын
@@freethinker4991 it is a fuel...and there isn't any learning or adaptive curve...ICE vehicle owners can switch without hesitation If storing H2 wasn't such a problem, H2 could have become the logical succesor to Gasoline fuel, atleast for bigger long range vehicles
@ceesiebo7589 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen cars do have advantages over battery vehicles. They're much lighter (in NL there is a tax on weight that can increase the cost of an EV much higher) and the time to fuel your car is much less than charging. H2 can be transported without the high costs of increasing the capacity of the grid. But if you look from an environment perspective (H2 is now primarily created out of fossil fuels) and energy efficiency perspective, H2 makes no sense because you lose so much in the process.
@lordofsevenrealms 4 күн бұрын
@@ceesiebo7589 H2 should have been explored 1 decade ago for it to reach commercial scale by this time...now it's too late...battery tech will advance so much in the next 5 years...H2 will make no sense
@stevetodd7383 4 күн бұрын
@@ceesiebo7589erm, you think that a fleet of transporter lorries is cheap? The extra load on the grid is comparatively cheap to handle, and can be mostly fulfilled with off peak charging when the grid is far from capacity. By comparison the extra grid load from AI in data centres is huge (currently data centres use about 500TWh/year, and AI is set to increase this by an estimated 160%), perhaps you should be looking into a way to power them by hydrogen?
@tonyharford4625 4 күн бұрын
@@ceesiebo7589 No they are not much lighter. Tesla Model 3 RWD is 3,682lbs while the Toyota Mirai is 4,255lbs.
@RickDenzien 4 күн бұрын
I can make HHO on demand at home off my solar array. 600 liters / hour. But it takes as much power as charging 2 EVs @10 amps each to power the reaction. There is no compression, no storage tank, transfer pump, hose, compression adapter, etc. Plus it needs catalyst chemicals to really work! All this and more is required to fuel H car at great expense. So much simpler to harvest the electrons and store them for future use directly either in the EV or stationary battery storage. In this way we power everything in our home including our EVs. So simple to have your own solar-powered nano grid.
@chrishaberbosch1029 4 күн бұрын
If you’re going to complain about fossil fuels being used to charge a battery, you should complain about 10 times as much to fuel with hydrogen.
@mikedrones537 4 күн бұрын
Same people who won’t complain or acknowledge the destruction mining lithium for batteries cause.
@geirvinje2556 4 күн бұрын
The biggest producer of lithium is Australia. Over 50%. One refinerie in Australia poluted more than all the lithium production for years. Australia has less than 1% of the refineries in the world.
@capnkirk5528 4 күн бұрын
@@geirvinje2556 Don't tell him FACTS. He's a f'ing TROLL, he don't wanna hear facts.
@northernsamba7388 4 күн бұрын
@@mikedrones537 Lithium batteries are being recycled. Over 90% of the lithium battery is recyclable. All mining activity has environmental impacts and Sodium has been gaining increasing use as a mineral to replace lithium. The price of battery continues to decrease, its energy density continues to increase, range and speed of charging continues to improve. These are killer gaps for hydrogen cars. Even the 100% tariffs placed on Chinese EVs, to help IC engine manufacturers and the fossil fuel industries, in America is not going to slow EVs adoption. Time for you to come out of the fox hole, raise a white flag and surrender. :)
@CiaranMcHale 4 күн бұрын
@@mikedrones537 Are you claiming that the destruction caused by mining for battery materials *is greater than* the destruction caused by obtaining and using fossil fuels? If so, please provide some evidence to back your claim.
@rogerfroud300 4 күн бұрын
Buyer beware. If you don't do your own research, you'll be a salesman's dream and they may sell you a Hydrogen vehicle that you won't want to live with.
@wankee888 4 күн бұрын
Toyota fans
@mikedrones537 4 күн бұрын
Or an electric vehicle that you won’t want to live with.
@oatlegOnYt 4 күн бұрын
@@mikedrones537Both can be cars you don't desire. But only hydrogen could end without a place to refuel. Electric cars can recharge almost everywhere. Faster or slower, but charge is as ubiquitous as electricity.
@capnkirk5528 4 күн бұрын
@@mikedrones537 Or an ICE vehicle that will be expensive to operate and obsolete in five years. STUPID is as STUPID does ... You know what "range anxiety" REALLY is? It's wondering where you gonna buy GAS in ten years because, ya know ... you CAN'T just plug it in anywhere and all the gas stations will be GONE (ok, most of them) because they can't make money. Tanks age and leak, pumps break and require maintenance, there are business taxes, and people need to eat. Even cardlocks will fade away slowly, but they will be around for long-haul trucking for a couple of decades. But gasoline? BUSINESS doesn't run on gasoline.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
Did the research into EVs in 2017. Lack of gas stations led me to buy a petrol car. Still happy with it.
@r.a.monigold9789 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen car dealerships are being converted into hot air baloon aerodromes, for cross country flights from California to New York. In just 15 to 30 days ANYONE with $15,000 for a ticket will be able to fly across America, in style, while standing the entire distance in a hand woven, leather lined whicker basket. This will become the 15th safest way to travel across the United States. Pre orders for the maiden voyagee are on sale now.
@edwardkon939 4 күн бұрын
Since the debut of Toyota Mirai, its sales are still languishing worldwide. Reason - hydrogen is too darn costly and it is extremely inflammable.
@FabioCapela 4 күн бұрын
A caveat: most of the cost of hydrogen lies not in production, but instead in transport and distribution. Even if hydrogen could be produced at zero cost it would still be (much) more expensive at the pump than regular gasoline (or electrons for fast-charging a battery EV).
@frankcoffey 4 күн бұрын
Any device that uses a consumable is a trap doesn't matter what it is. Hydrogen car, inkjet printer, refrigerator with those expensive filters, etc. Electricity is the only thing you can make and is used for everything else and for that reason it's made in great quantity and available everywhere.
@HygienistDentist 4 күн бұрын
What have I done?! It’s going to cost $200 to go 250 miles 😮
@Swiv2020 4 күн бұрын
Who wants to pay £8.60 for 1 KG of Hydrogen ???
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
People trying to get away from fossil fuels. Only biofuels are currently cheaper than gasoline/diesel.
@neilkurzman4907 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 The problem is that currently hydrogen is derived from natural gas
@Seventh7Art 4 күн бұрын
Some idiots only....
@st-ex8506 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 ... and only because they are heavily subsidized! The main raw material for ethanol or bio-diesel is not plant material, but taxpayers' money!
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@st-ex8506 Not sure what you mean. You can buy seed oil in the supermarket for less than what you pay for the same amount of Diesel at the pump. Ethanol is a bit more expensive, but it's also heavily taxed. If you'd introduce both fuels at the pump, it'll be considerable cheaper. And instead of aftermarket modification kits, car manufacturers would built their motors to burn those fuels out of the factory. Really this is nothing new, we have discussed this in the 2000s. In the end, it was taxed to death because governments don't care about the environment. There is very little push away from fossil fuels.
@rb8049 4 күн бұрын
70%? There is someone in the country who bought one? You could sell a bridge to these people!
@johndoyle4723 4 күн бұрын
Thanks,I used to laugh at all the choreographed comments from the ICE drivers,”no thanks, I am waiting for hydrogen”. Might be a long wait.
@Jaw0lf 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen only charging up 50 vehicles is something we should be telling everyone as it will quickly run out if many people owned them. At least I can charge my BEV at home and options to charge away from home are massively increased from a few years ago.
@kenmayer5455 4 күн бұрын
Could be interesting to interview those owners to find out why they bought a hydrogen car.
@henvan8737 4 күн бұрын
In Australia these are all lease cars, you can't actual own one.
@chillfluencer 4 күн бұрын
German media tried to sell it as viable competition to BEVs. 🤣🤣🤣
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
lol..more like people are trying to sell BEVs as a viable competition to FEVs, biofuel, synfuels and even fossil fuels. I always laugh at them.
@tothimre7950 4 күн бұрын
In theory it is viable option... With peak DC Solar capacity Hydrogen could be made. However it is not easy to compress to 700 Bar, store, transfer, etc... So with current technology it is NOT competitive with EVs for sure. It would require 1000 billions to make it better than EV got invested tons of money... But it is too late I think there is huge advantage on EV side now.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@tothimre7950 EVs are not competitive with EVs? How does this make sense?
@tothimre7950 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 not sure how you get that conclusion? Try to read it again... Explaining the issues with hydrogen and current technology (of hydrogen) is not competitive with battery technology anymore. 10-12 years ago it was. But EV got billions of investments not hydrogen...
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@tothimre7950 not sure what you mean by "EV got millions of investments but not hydrogen". We're talking about EVs all the time. Some use hydrogen, others use batteries as power source. Or do you mean hydrogen powered combustion engines? That ship has sailed a long time ago. Also, it's the other way around. Battery technology is still not competitive with hydrogen fuel cells, mainly due to slow charging speeds. Maybe in a decade or two it becomes an alternative to biofuels, synfuels and FEVs, there is a lot of research going on in batteries right now. I wouldn't loose hope.
@icillay 4 күн бұрын
The analog to this would be if back in the 17th century for horse-drawn vehicles the buggy whip infrastructure never materialised.
@NackDSP 4 күн бұрын
A high school chemistry student could make a hydrogen generator to fill one of these cars. It would take a massive amount of energy and a high pressure pump, but you could do it at home. That Toyota doesn't bother to sell a home hydrogen generator tells you everything. Toyota just invested something like 8 Billion into a battery plant.
@scottbreseke716 4 күн бұрын
I almost bought the Toyota Marai, hydrogen powered. The sales people were too busy to let me test drive it. I waited 15 minutes then decided to go down the road a bit to the Tesla showroom, and traded in my Prius toward a Model 3.
@veikovasko5603 4 күн бұрын
Dodged a bullet
@daviddill5227 4 күн бұрын
Whatever makes anyone think that hydrogen were ever truly viable? The hydrogen refueling stations are so few you can count one hand how many stations provide hydrogen. 56 stations is likely being generous.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
Should have been way more than that by now. But politicians want us to continue fossil fuels.
@MrThomasligthart 4 күн бұрын
Sam, please save your face and do a follow up on your "solar spheres" video. Read the comments please and try to realize what you just promoted. It was just a metal box with weirdly skewed spheres on top... The skew was just to make it look interesting obviously
@MrThomasligthart 4 күн бұрын
p.s. fully agree that hydrogen cars are ridiculus though.
@hardi.howdy.983 4 күн бұрын
He sees a headline somewhere of a vague innovation, gets excited, and hey presto a video pops up. Bless him, for his hard work 😁
@PaleBlueDotCitizen 4 күн бұрын
He's scientifically illiterate, he has a history of making "free energy" and "perpetual motion videos. He's like a child
@hardi.howdy.983 4 күн бұрын
@@PaleBlueDotCitizen Just scientifically, this "Tezla" and "Zika" promoter? Anyone can read others articles 😁😁
@markdev4796 4 күн бұрын
Nothing stopping anyone here doing their own research and creating a channel. Sam just aggregates news, he is one guy keeping us up today on a multitude of sources, take what is of interest and do your own research. Sam doesn't have a research team just a lot of passion and drive to bring interesting news items to you.
@Bonta768 4 күн бұрын
Viking, love your work. It seems like your last few videos have had a really low volume. I have had to turn it all the way up, unlike most KZfaqs.
@briangman3 4 күн бұрын
Keep up the good work, yes volume can go up
@jeffreymckie3328 4 күн бұрын
So poor choices result in poor outcome. Live and learn.
@StuartConsulting 4 күн бұрын
We tried to tell them Sam, well I am not a journalist like you but I’ve sent in comments on many online forums why hydrogen doesn’t work on many levels. Even Elon Musk a couple of years ago called hydrogen fuel cells “fool cells”. Buyer beware, do your due diligence and ask basic questions like “where can I refuel it?”, and “how much will the fuel cost per km?”. From an engineering / scientific perspective, by the time you mine / produce it, transport it, compress it to get reasonable vehicle range, and use it, you only get some 38% of its original energy capacity to turn the wheels of your car, this is as bad as fossil fuels.
@garyrooksby 4 күн бұрын
Absolutely correct. There are so many considerations that dilute the efficiency and that's ignoring the safety issues. Hydrolysis is only 30% energy efficient fundamentally, so it can't be optimised. 3X more energy goes into splitting the Oxygen and Hydrogen than is left in the Hydrogen. For this to be a "Green" fuel electrolysis is the only production method available. So why put 1/3 of the electrical energy into H2 then put that leaky H2 into a car when instead you could put 100% of it into a car battery? Madness.
@StuartConsulting 4 күн бұрын
@@garyrooksby There’s also the fact that being the universe’s smallest atom, it has an extraordinary ability to escape any containment and start a fire hazard. To store pressurised hydrogen in a vehicle, they need very thick and heavy fuel tanks which further reduces movement efficiency. Look at NASA rocket launches - they spray the rocket with water to minimise the hazard. They’ve had to abort launches from detected leaks. Elon Musk’s SpaceX rockets use methane as their fuel for this reason.
@FabioCapela 4 күн бұрын
The fuel efficiency is actually worse than you can get for a modern, good PHEV. Incidentally, when using anything but green hydrogen a hydrogen car is actually dirtier than a regular hybrid. And it is only better than a regular ICE car because a hydrogen car is actually an hydrogen-electric hybrid, and the "-electric hybrid" part of it helps a lot with efficiency.
@TB-up4xi 4 күн бұрын
@@FabioCapela Hydrogen cars are not hybrids - there is no combustion engine. The hydrogen passes through the fuel cell and charges a battery and directly powers the electric motor, when additional power is required the motor draws from the battery. Hydrogen cars are 100% electric, they just replace the large battery with a smaller battery and electricity from the fuel cell.
@FabioCapela 4 күн бұрын
@@TB-up4xi Hybrid, in this case, is because they are a fuel cell-battery hybrid. Being a hybrid just means it has different power sources, in this case the hydrogen being turned into electricity inside the fuel cell and the electricity stored in its battery; you don't need one of the power sources to be combustion in order for a car to be a hybrid. The hybrid part of the hydrogen car is what enables it to have regenerative braking, without which the hydrogen cars would have a much higher fuel cost per mile driven. Incidentally, there are gasoline-electric hybrid cars with a similar arrangement; the wheels are only driven by electric motors, with the gasoline engine being used exclusively to recharge the battery. Those are often called a series hybrid (as opposed to a parallel hybrid, where the gasoline engine helps to drive the wheels) or, if one wants to emphasize their electric propulsion, an EREV (Extended Range EV).
@yootoobvyooer 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen used to be $16/kg now $37/kg. H Ppl used to say price will go down as more hydrogen cars are sold, exactly opposite has happened. Who in their right mind pays $16/gal let alone $37/gal when gasoline price is $3.50/gal?
@robanzzz5124 4 күн бұрын
where do you even find the price of it? I went through 3 websites and the price wasn't listed
@simond7582 4 күн бұрын
there is 1 here in NZ 😅
@karlsatherley6184 4 күн бұрын
So there's a single refueling station servicing a single vehicle?
@AORD72 4 күн бұрын
Purchased by an idiot.
@simond7582 4 күн бұрын
@karlsatherley6184 there are 3 hydrogen stations around the country primarily for trucks. The Mirai is a promo vehicle, hyundai was also advertising the nexo for a while but not sure if there are any in the country.
@tothimre7950 4 күн бұрын
In Hungary we have only 1 fuel station. It was installed 3 years ago and available only for testing Bus and Trucks. In this January they opened for public... I don't know how many car uses it probably not much sold here, if you can fuel it only since 4 months ago..
@karlsatherley6184 4 күн бұрын
@@simond7582 I thought the Mirai was intended to eventually be a mass market vehicle? I live in Japan and have only ever seen one on the road around where I live. I'm concerned about the Japanese economy with so much emphasis on hydrogen being the future of fuel
@johnsmedley8843 4 күн бұрын
Those pesky rules of physics keep getting in the way of hydrogen cars.
@user-rt9th4lz7z 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen as a car fuel is a sucker's bet. The fossil fuel lobby trots it out at their convenience as a challenge to EVs. Despite being one of the most abundant elements on the planet, hydrogen is usually strongly bonded to other elements, for example H2O. Breaking these bonds takes a lot of energy. As a result the two major sources of hydrogen as a fuel are from natural gas -- which is bad for the environment; and from electrolysis of water. In the second case, why not just use the electricity to charge an EV battery?
@justdoingitjim7095 3 күн бұрын
I just paid $2,000 dollars to rebuild the engine in my 1999 Subaru Outback. I still get 27mpg, I have ZERO car payments and I can buy fuel anywhere!
@JB-gr6om 4 күн бұрын
Introducing the New H2 powered model, the Hindenburg.
@tesla_tap 4 күн бұрын
For people that want to keep thier cars for a long time, the hydrogen tanks within these cars must be replaced after 15 years (perhaps sooner). I understand there is a built in timer that kills the car if you go beyond the safe time limit without replacement. With only a few hundred cars ever made, they are basically engineering prototypes, and getting parts is not going to be easy. You can bet the costs will be extreme if you can even get them. It's unclear how long the fuel cell (Hydrogent to electricity) will last. Estimates are the fuel cells cost in the neaborhood of $50K. Then there are batteries in these cars with unclear lifetimes and availability too. So anything that fails (tanks, fuel cell, batteries, etc.) bricks the car and so expensive to repair that car becomes worthless.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
lithium batteries typically last just a few years. on the lower side when used in an automotive environment. So after 15 years, you'll probably on your 3rd or 4th 50k battery.
@tesla_tap 3 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 - Vehicle batteries last 200K-400K miles with plenty of real-world examples with EV Taxi and Uber drivers. Consider every EV manufacturer warrants the battery for at least 8 years. They are not going to be replacing these every 2 years which is silly. EVs use different battery design and management than limited life cell phone batteries.
@svr5423 3 күн бұрын
@@tesla_tap rofl. In your dreams. E.g. my 2022 BEV had it's battery replaced after less than 2 years on warranty. You should learn something about lithium batteries. We have experience and data using them over 2 decades.
@tesla_tap 3 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 - Not sure what car you had, but some first generation batteries were not deigned well and had problems, like the Bolt. These were replaced under warranty with batteries that should last the life of the car. If the EV is designed properly, you should expect far more than 8 years of life. I'm sorry for the problem you had with your one car, but there are millions of EVs on the road without issues. I'm also an Electrical engineer, and know a lot about Lithium Ion batteries. They often last a short time in cheap appliances as they are charged and discharged in ways that intentionally shortten the life and/or they use poor quality batteries.
@svr5423 3 күн бұрын
@@tesla_tap "First generation rechargeable (lithium) batteries" were in the 1990ies. Keep in mind that for BEVs you need a lot of them, so price is important. Hence you will not see the newest technology in cars, compared to cellphones etc. where manufacturers can easily incorporate more expensive batteries without impacting their profit margin, to distinguish themselves from their competitors.
@philiptaylor7902 4 күн бұрын
Thanks Sam, great video.
@pangert1 4 күн бұрын
I too feel very bad for the folks that were duped into buying these complicated cars. H2 cars will be remembered as a failed engineering effort. Peeps, get your money back under the lemon law if you can. Best of luck to anyone who has one.
@2470qwerty 4 күн бұрын
Wow. I actually agree with Sam , once
@DLWELD 4 күн бұрын
There's a long, long list of valid reasons why hydrogen is unsuitable for passenger cars - but Elon, with his ability to cut to the chase, sums it all up perfectly, concisely: "Hydrogen is just silly".
@moc5541 4 күн бұрын
Currently hydrogen gas is produced via a process that uses natural gas. The process gives off lots of carbon dioxide.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
hydrogen s produced from water and electricity with electrolysis. No CO2 involved.
@stevetodd7383 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 no, it CAN be made by electrolysis, but it’s cheaper to use steam reforming of natural gas, so you’ll find that the vast majority of H2 is made that way. Go look it up.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@stevetodd7383 That doesn't make sense. It's like saying electricity is produced only by coal power plants, therefore BEVs emit a lot of CO2.
@stevetodd7383 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 people argue all the time that EVs aren’t carbon free because they use grid power that is generated by, among other sources, coal power stations. Coal power is however expensive in the current economy and because of this is being phased out. H2 on the other hand is expensive, even if created by the cheapest method (steam reforming of natural gas) and you’re suggesting that people will reject this method completely and use the even more expensive method of electrolysis? You’re also denying @moc5541’s statement that hydrogen production is currently mainly done this way. The electricity needed for electrolysis, compression and shipping of hydrogen could be far more efficiently used to charge BEVs, and because of this it doesn’t offer a practical alternative to them.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@stevetodd7383 Not sure what you don't understand. BEVs take too long to charge and produce spikes in the power grid. Until this is solved, FEVs are simply the only viable EV cars. Obviously, electricity has to be produced carbon neutral either way for each fuel source. You insisting to produce H2 from fossil fuels makes simply no sense as part of the solution. You also don't understand that H2 doesn't need to be shipped. It doesn't work like fossil fuels. You simply ship water and electricity, both available as utilities everywhere. Of course, there are other viable carbon neutral ways, such as biofuel (available and cheap since decades) and synfuels. But since carbon neutrality isn't that important and fossil fuels are vital for the economy, it was politically pushed back.
@PumpkinKingXXIII 4 күн бұрын
I’m actually surprised manufacturers sold the cars, figured at best it would be a lease only option due to them not wanting to deal with maintaining and stocking repair parts and that it was more a R and D experiment
@josephgallagher1440 3 күн бұрын
I agree Sam and got the same from others as you did. There is very little to no infrastructure within California and zero outside of it within the US.
@NackDSP 4 күн бұрын
Look at craigslist in California. There are two year old hydrogen cars selling for just $10,000. These were $60,000 new.
@markphippsify 4 күн бұрын
Someone should tell Canada's Trudeau
@ISuperTed 4 күн бұрын
Hang on, if they’ve crashed 70%, does that mean they have sold 3 this year now?
@metricstormtrooper 3 күн бұрын
Just saw an ad from your store, $66.95 for a fing bucket hat ? You've got to be joking.
@CaliforniaMISC 3 күн бұрын
Shell canceled major contract for building more stations
@earth2006 3 күн бұрын
All if not most of the hydrogen stations have been closed by Shell.
@PyroShields 4 күн бұрын
I was about to say there is no infrastructure in the US for Hydrogen other than California. What do you do when you need to fill it.
@davidpickard9393 Күн бұрын
Electric/Diesel/Petrol/Hydrogen most car buyers are only interested in Performance/Convenience & Cost
@minimalist0000 4 күн бұрын
The California capital city of Sacramento (which is a very green city) closed 2 or the three hydrogen stations in the past year. There is only 1 now in a city of 2M people. Used car values have plummeted.
@dogsbodyish8403 3 күн бұрын
I'm presuming you can't garage your car, as hydrogen needs to vent, and the build-up would create a large bomb.
@skipwoodson 4 күн бұрын
There is no hydrogen infrastructure to support the vehicle. No one wants to own something that you cannot go anywhere in.
@CharlesMagire 3 күн бұрын
Jumping on the Vematum train, full steam ahead!
@MrAnkamang 4 күн бұрын
The problem is $36 a kilogram. It cost around $200 ++ per tank in california
@paulconnolly4483 4 күн бұрын
What Hydrogen in Australia. No fueling stations at all 😮 Hydrogen has never even started 😂
@lesliecarter4295 4 күн бұрын
Suggest you do some research before making misleading comments!
@henvan8737 4 күн бұрын
There are actually 3 Hydrogen stations in Australia, but these are all industrial sites and not available 24-7. Apart from that it's as expensive as petrol.
@jasoncarmichael4540 4 күн бұрын
There was some in Canberra at one time , not sure if it’s still there
@ezg8448 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen isn't difficult to make, compressing it and storing it is an entirely different matter.
@FaithLey-mn5cl 3 күн бұрын
Vematum's roadmap is incredible, true potential.
@hellomeatrobots 4 күн бұрын
The only people I've heard praising hydrogen cars are anything but EV ICE enthusiasts who wouldn't be so hot about them if they were widely available.
@gordkao 4 күн бұрын
So how would these companies pull the plug on Hydrogen? They're in way to deep. They'll be "Pass the buck"...
@northernsamba7388 4 күн бұрын
Even fossil fuel companies have seen the writing on the wall and may have giving up the hope of converting methane into hydrogen for hydrogen cars. They thought they could hoodwink Toyota fan boys into believing that would be greener than just using a natural gas fueled car. Toyota, GM, Honda, big oil chutzpah gone wrong!
@Steve-co1ic 4 күн бұрын
if it seems ridiculous that anyone in the US is buying these cars you should remember that Millions think Trump is a decent human being 🙄
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
so..orange man bad? fossil fuel good?
@AORD72 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 No orange man bat shi! crazy, with brain damage.
@andresd6193 4 күн бұрын
Anyone who really understands how energy works would know that hydrogen cars are only slightly better than gasoline cars at using energy efficiently. Hydrogen is not going anywhere. The only reason they exist is because it is just another distraction being pushed by mainly Toyota to slow down the transition to BEV’s.
@RossJ.Hively 3 күн бұрын
Invested in Vematum, feeling good about it!
@lordofsevenrealms 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen will take time to take off ; but it definitely isn't going to work in the passenger car segment H2 storage is a real pain...can't work around that bottleneck
@garyrooksby 4 күн бұрын
You're right. H2 storage is a real challenge. It's the leakiest substance known to man. It's the second smallest molecule (2nd to inert He) and can leak through sheet steel. Oh, and let's not forget that it's highly explosive so don't leave an H2 car in an unventilated garage as there's an explosion risk when you come back and switch the light on.
@TB-up4xi 4 күн бұрын
How long do they need? H2 cars have been around since the early 60's and Toyota commenced their fuel cell R&D program in 1992. The first Mirai was sold 18 months after the first model S.
@lordofsevenrealms 3 күн бұрын
@TB-up4xi Storing H2 is the problem...They take so much space in gaseous state and in liquid state they to be kept at negative 253C....H2 needs govt support to take off...if started in early 2000s, by now most trucks could have been Hydrogen powered (FC / ICE) Sadly, the oil lobby wouldn't have let it happen back then
@lanzer22 6 сағат бұрын
The whole thing is a big IQ test to see if some people can do any critical thinking of their own.
@merlingrim2843 4 күн бұрын
At one point Honda and Toyota made hydrogen generators to go with their fuel cell autos … it was an interesting concept because it avoided the weight of batteries. If they solved to generation and storage issue, fuel cells might still be compelling.
@NoreanJacobss 3 күн бұрын
Watching Vematum closely, this is big!
@vancity2349 4 күн бұрын
No surprises here. Toyota sold approx. 10M cars last year, only 2800 were from the Murai...enough said
@royh6526 4 күн бұрын
I wish I could post pictures on these replies, I have a nice graph of FCV sales in California.
@JohnZolla-bp7tl 4 күн бұрын
I've seen them in the metal and I must say I really liked the styling. However, here in Southern California they appear to be dead as any sort of viable alternative. That's OK with me. 😎
@thilinarupasinghe7968 4 күн бұрын
Most of the.people who brought Hydrogen vehicles are EV haters.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
Why would an EV hater buy an EV? Your statement doesn't make sense.
@GruffSillyGoat 3 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 - to some EV, mainly those who profess hate, only ever means Battery EV (BEV), to others it is the umbrella term for all forms of electrically powered motion. Would it help if the OP's comment was written as - _luddites who want to stick it to the man, have difficultly accepting or understanding change and are frustrated with their small place in a big world, who have been easily influenced by nefarious sources of information, with vested interests, to simultaneous believe that Battery EVs are bad and that they are empowered to do something about it. They wish to still do good in the world, albeit one of their narrow vision, and do their bit to fight climate change - though not really believing in such and which, of course, has nothing to do with themselves - decide to buy into the technology bias they've immersed themselves within and do so in the most demonstrative way. Shouting to the world that they have authority and agency, that they know best, that the future is theirs to behold, if only others open their minds like they have; so go out and buy a hydrogen powered car to sit on their driveway as a permanent statement of their wisdom (that and they fact they cannot afford nor find any bloody where to fuel the damn thing)._
@BritteLeMaitre-zr5ik 3 күн бұрын
Vematum is the word on the street. Can't miss!
@Activan1 3 күн бұрын
Power plants using renewable energy sources can produce hydrogen profitably when they have excess electricity that has nowhere to go.
@GruffSillyGoat 3 күн бұрын
it's it more effecient all round to store the spare electricity capacity in grid scale batteries to be used for all needs than it is use it to generate hydrogen to power cars - renewable to car has about 80 to 90% overall efficiency, renewable to hydrogen car only about 30 to 40%. That and the fact that renewable hydrogen only represents 0.1% of hydrogen production currently and is only expected to grow to 10% (perhaps 20% at a push) by 2030.
@dclpgh 4 күн бұрын
And storing it in the car at 10000 psi. No thanks.
@FrederaRibeiro 3 күн бұрын
Vematum's growth is just starting. Excited!
@jeffreymckie3328 4 күн бұрын
Extreme heat in hyd. Ice vehicles. During development engines melting was a problem. All that wasted heat, not efficient.
@toneyeye 3 күн бұрын
Hydrogen based mobility, like flying cars, is an interesting science and engineering project and will remain so.
@FoamCrusher 4 күн бұрын
A friend of mine bought a hydrogen powered Toyota last year to replace a dying very high mileage ICE car that wasn’t worth repairing. The dealer almost gave it away at more than half MSRP, gave him a ridicules amount for his old beater and threw in three years of free hydrogen fueling. Except for the massive increase in the price of hydrogen fuel which will hit him in another two years, he knew what he was getting into. He has to make a 30- minute APPOINTMENT at the one and only fueling station in the metro Sacramento CA area to fill it up. He is older, his health is not great so doesn’t drive much and they use his wife’s ICE car for anything out of the area so the car works for him. He loves the car and understands it will be virtually worthless in 5 years, but he figures he will not be driving by then, so considering what he paid for it, the three years of free fuel and moving to a very nice new car, he feels that overall he got a good deal.
@edwarddejong8025 3 күн бұрын
3 year old Used Mirais are going for 15k, which is incredibly cheap. It is a very luxurious car, but after your fuel card which comes with the car expires, you are facing $200+ fill ups. Elon called Hydrogen cars stupid, and they truly are. However during the intro period the Mirai is a very nice car. They only exist because of Calfornia regulations. It is a compliance car, and just like the Honda CNG car, these things are a gigantic waste of R&D money courtesy of California legislature. We the consumers pay $100 more for every Honda and Toyota we buy to cover the cost. Keep govt out of product design they are utterly worthless.
@patricksee10 4 күн бұрын
How are those Tesla sales going in Germany Sam? Give us an update
@hardi.howdy.983 4 күн бұрын
He would never give such negative news 😁
@TB-up4xi 4 күн бұрын
Why does it matter? EV sales are still growing globally - BEV up 16.5% in Australia. Telsa is down 4.8% v last year but the numbers are more than made up for by other EVs.
@asachinidis2529 4 күн бұрын
I watch you videos for entertainment. you are funny.
@greenman7062 4 күн бұрын
I have friends who insist that hydrogen is the ultimate answer for cars. I point out that there are many problems with hydrogen production, storage, and distribution and that batteries are improving constantly but they just ignore the facts.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
batteries are not the solution for obvious reasons. Maybe in a decade or two. You can choose between biofuels, synfuels and hydrogen. These are viable right now (biofuels beeing easiest and cheapest).
@TB-up4xi 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423 LOL - delusional, batteries are not the future - they are the current, vastly superior to any fossil fuel sourced propulsion already and only improving
@heavenlyReza 4 күн бұрын
Something cannot be dead.That was never alive
@SammyC27 4 күн бұрын
just look into the science and the efficiency. H2 is a no go. it's incredibly dangerous too at that scale
@deanrhodenizer938 4 күн бұрын
The charm of hydrogen is the product of burning or processing it is water. No doubt there is a place for fuel cells in specialized applications where the cost of the hydrogen is irrelevant. But hydrogen does not scale well as the energy required to produce hydrogen is simply too high. This has been known for quite some time.
@ChromeFlakes 4 күн бұрын
The trouble is hydrogen needs early adopters. Early adopters are usually fairly intelligent people who have faith in their own ability to envisage what the future may look like and invest in it. Sadly most early adopters don’t see hydrogen as a good idea, especially after their incredibly slow uptake.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
I was considering buying this as my first EV car in 2017. Lack of gas stations made me buy a petrol car again. Looked into biofuels in the 2000s, they were taxed out of the market (Europe) and conversion kits disappeared. Also looking into synfuels, but nobody is offering them commercially at the moment. Some companies are trying hard to make this BEV idea work. Maybe I'll look into that in the 2030s. Let's see how it goes and if it might become an alternative to all those other fuel sources. At least BEVs work as bicycle replacements now.
@michaelginever732 4 күн бұрын
Green hydrogen for steel manufacture - yes. Maybe for giant container ships (powering a gas turbine), but not for cars. Of course it's dead. Those poor people who bought into the silly idea; they are out of pocket. Toyota really need to compensate those people who bought their H2 lemons. Tesla resale prices are too high. People want absurd amounts for their 10 year old Teslas. Cars depreciate people. Of course you can't sell them. I don't want an old ternary Li ion battery and look I loved the model S back in the day. In 2015 I thought I might buy one for a reasonable price in 5 to 6 years. Didn't happen. In 2012 I thought I might buy a second hand Holden Volt in 2015 maybe 2016. People are still asking $38K for their 12 year old Volts now! Are you kidding me?! I can buy a 2 year old Atto 3 for that Dummies!
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
steel can simply use electricity.
@javelinXH992 4 күн бұрын
@@svr5423I don’t think you know enough about steel manufacture. You need a reducing agent (chemistry) to make steel, currently coke made from coal is the most common which produces a lot of CO2. This can be replaced by hydrogen. If made by electrical processes it is green hydrogen. This is one of the few useful aspects of green hydrogen. Fertiliser manufacture is another.
@dougabbott8261 4 күн бұрын
Try and find someone to repair them.
@perritsang 4 күн бұрын
Fuel cells cars won’t work for the average American. They would work for UPS, USPS, FedEx, etc where all vehicles return to a central location at the end of the day.
@javelinXH992 4 күн бұрын
Trains and buses and trucks, but not cars.
@svr5423 4 күн бұрын
@@javelinXH992 cars work well on hydrogen. Same with trucks. For trains, the idea is utterly stupid because of the inefficieny. Busses can be BEVs (they have the spare mass available), paired with overhead pantographs, so they can recharge as long as enough of their route is within the grid.
@timfehlberg9051 4 күн бұрын
The Toyota Mirai is a nice looking car, it would have sold really well if they had made it an EV.
@user-cw9em3mo3w 4 күн бұрын
Latest Mirai bones were from the Lexus 500, today a Mirai is fire sale @$33,000,less than half of MSRP $67,000 with 6 years of Fuel in California, good luck finding a functioning station tho.
@Wavetheory85 4 күн бұрын
I would love to see Sam’s long term EV or green energy stocks he plans to hold for a longer period of time. Does he share this in his Patreon?
@nicholasmuni7995 4 күн бұрын
Who told them to buy Hydrogen cars, they must be very stupid where do the buy fuel?
@InformedKiwi 4 күн бұрын
You soon won’t be able to give away a Hydrogen car other than to a museum
@SonnyDobyr 3 күн бұрын
Believe in Vematum, it's more than hype.
@5353Jumper 3 күн бұрын
Hydrogen cars - paying so much more to drive a car that is actually worse for the environment that gasoline.
@jsparlin1 3 күн бұрын
what an explosion hydrogen filling stations would make...electricity can be made so many ways, but hydrogen??
@grosuciprian 3 күн бұрын
EU has a huge natural gas infrastructure already built that it is in the stage of conversion for hydrogen, to be produced with the excess of electricity during the day/windy days so you dont need to deliver the hydrogen to the stations you can continuously pump it, also if they will use the home/local pipeline you can recharge at home like an ev, so in the EU/Europe/Russia there is a net benefice to use hydrogen in the long run.H2 vehicles are like the EV's in the 90'ies in california, they are a proof of concept, and they need people to test them like they used the early EV adopters, but yeah the technology will advance and in the long run for long hauls h2 will be the technology of choice.
@FrancisFjordCupola 4 күн бұрын
Hydrogen has had plenty of chances. Most of the time it has been fossil fuel companies cracking hydrogen out of fossil fuels and selling that as environmentally friendly. With a possibly in parentheses behind it.
@gonzaloleviatanh 4 күн бұрын
You never can say never. I also think that the Hydrogen isn't the future but you never know. Solar and wind are very old technologies but just now they are viable.
@connclissmann6514 4 күн бұрын
Fall 70%? I will have expected 100%! Who is buying them at all and where do they hope to fill them?
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