Steam or handlebar in Carbon is no Go …. For safety reasons

They get paid for that and there might be a benefit for some people. Others simply have pretty average bike fits that are not optimized and simply ride that way because they are used to it.

I would think it could be good to not slam the stem, and pair that with a deeper drop to the bar. So just cruising in the pack they’re more comfortable on the tops but can get aero in the drops.

I ride in a skin suit most rides. Find them more comfortable and can fit more into pockets

​@@adamhinds6887agreed. They stay where they're supposed to be and the pockets sit lower on the back so are more comfortable. Plus they feel fast!

I wear normal kit but do use aero-socks which I don’t find to be a problem at all except if confuses my tan lines. 😊 According to people who have studied marginal gains (Dylan Johnson to name one), aero socks are one of the cheapest and most effective way to gain free watts.

Tip from an asturian. L' already acts as the, so you're basically saying the the Angliru. It's a common error in english speakers I've noticed, mainly people saying "the Le Tour"

​@@skubisanNo teams used triple cranksets in 99

Rule #5, harden the fuck up, dude. 😜

@@jameshussey4900It was shameful then so maybe they kept it on the down low.

I bought an old raliegh , made in 1985 is lowest gear was 42-23 and if it was windy I would be in that gear even on the flat.

I use 300mm wide tyres...so much faster

Same here. Been riding Vittoria Corsa 32's since 2021. Never looked back.

Me too they are sweeet

You destroyed aero dynamics and rolling resistance

Weight? Recommend width for optimal aerodynamics by the rim/wheel manufacturer?

the longer sleeves are very convinient for wiping sweat from my eyes.

The true width of a tire varies by manufacturer and the width of the rim it’s mounted to. It’s nothing to do with old vs new. As for whether to use a 28 vs a 25, they’ve proven that the rolling resistance gains of a 28 outweigh the aero penalty.

@@Lockeness86 Sorry but I don't agree with you. Recent wheels are wider than older once and wider rims makes tires even bigger. Last week I removed old GP4000 25 from my bike with internal rim width 19mm but before i measured them on 27mm-27.5+. I replaced them with new gp5000 tt tr a25mm and after installation tyre is measuring around 25-25.5mm. I remember that I had in the past some vittora corsa in 25 and it was also quite wide. So there is old and new world. Old 23mm are more like same as current 25mm from pure tyre perspective.

@@zieluchthat’s one tire, have you measured old and new true tire widths of a significant sample size of tires?

@@ervin7178I measured 4 old tyres and 4 new ones on different rims , everything within 0.2mm.

I run gp500tr 25mm tyre on 21mm int rim. They measure 27mm when inflated to 70psi. So measured width will vary.

Was it durianrider?

.ozzie accent so I know exactly who you are referring too! 😅

@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 No, not Durianrider. I know who he is. He was a good guess. Sounds like him.

Sean Kelly is still using his six-cog cassette from the 1980’s (with matching chainrings). It weighs a ton and is a mile wide. His ride partners tease him about it, but I suspect none of them can keep up with him. I imagine Eddie Mercx is in the same camp: moved on from his 1970’s spec but probably never made it to the 1990’s.

@jackhargreaves1911 That isn't true about Eddie. I couple of years ago, I read an interview with him. He was riding a Merckx 525. (I think that was what it was. I don't know a lot about Merckx bikes.) Sean Kelly is just a beast! I don't miss those 11-23 cassettes and large chainrings at all. I sucked at climbing even when I was 8% body fat and young. (I'm 6'3".)

trek domane allows 38 but i know a guy running 40 no problemo

Not only that but they also have their mechanics change casettes and chainrings for every race/stage if they want.

@@nikolausschallhart8654 exactly

1x is probably mostly a SRAM marketing ploy because they’re not as good at front shifting and want to push 1x.

@@Up2L842moro dropped chains on the front on club runs. 1 guy has campag and drops at least once a ride. SRAM very popular now and seem to drop front a lot. On standard Shimano chainrings I never drop, I did when I used rotor

@@TrickyTree84 If someone drops his chain every almost every ride, he needs to adjust his front derailleur! I use campagnolo chorus since 2018 and dropped my chain maybe 3 times...

I only just went from 11'28 to 11'30 when I got my DA9200 (11-30 is the smallest). Before that I was on 11-25, (in 2020 and before).

I think they try to train with the less comfortable equipment so they could get used to and adapt to it to minimize the loss physiologically. Personally though the most I've gone for a road race is aero socks and helmet. I retired though I couldn't get a pro conti contract and the sport has become increasingly more expensive. Maybe a desk job isn't so bad lol. I got to race the National Champs as my last race as well I went out with a bang.

And 7'35" in the lead

Rules are to be broken I think

Yup. Just like cars. 95% of the stuff I wouldn’t want for free.

same here; sticking to rim brakes on my road bike. max. tire is 28mm which limited by the brake calipers and rear stays; so that's what I use. I have tubeless on my MTB and gravel; but I'll keep the tubes on the road bike.

Hearing the boomer wretching and complaining about disc brakes is one of my favorite things. They'd all still be using downtube shifting if they could

Or we could listen to spoiled,pampered millennials condescendingly point out how everything that was used before 2005 is embarrassingly archaic and impossible (or dangerous) to use, even though thousands of riders put tens of thousands of miles on that equipment ( and went really fast and had a good time too!)

@@american_psycho1147 I wish you were joking, but I've seen actual complaints on YT comments on how brifters make it too easy.....

@@johns3106 I don't know who you're calling a Millennial, I'm solidly GenX and been riding since the 90's. I feel it's extremely important to point out that most modern equipment is vastly better than it used to be.

@@richardhaselwood9478 Some thing are, some things aren’t. Dual pivot brake calipers are definitely better than single pivots…proprietary, non-standard press-fit bottom brackets that are hard to service or replace by the home mechanic are not superior to a basic 68 or 73mm bottom bracket. Index shifting is great…until derailleur wear kicks in or your very expensive brifter starts to wear out and indexing becomes finicky…that was never a problem with friction shifting, but you did need to develop a touch for finding your gear (it really isn’t that hard!). Just like most things in life, new isn’t always good, old isn’t always bad. I’ve been involved with cycling for a looong time (I started racing at age 14 in 1982) and have seen many new “must-haves” and trends come and go, (remember Spinergy wheels?) so I’m always a little skeptical when the industry (or newer, younger cyclists) shamelessly promote the “new” thing while disparaging things that were cutting edge just a few years before.

Fully agree. Plus the lack of suspenders for the shorts also makes the fit more comfortable (at least for me)

Thats sl7 cable routing spacer, pros will slam it surely given the chance.

Sagan's stem is high

No

Results are marketing, look how long winning pros like Pog in TDF stuck with rim brakes

@@oreocarlton3343In the Tokyo Olympics, many riders chose their own equipment and I noted how many pros chose light, aero, quick change wheel rim brakes for the road race.

I think it can also make the bike more comfortable. Some bikes have more flex in the seatpost than the seat tube - so a long exposed seatpost can have a lot of length to flex.

​@@BurgerTime7441most flex comes from exposed seatpost

@@oreocarlton3343 I like to have the post right near maximum extension

@@BurgerTime7441 smart but be weary of overexposure

I'd disagree and say they were phased in gradually from about 10 years go when they first started appearing on drop bar bikes and got better and more people started buying disc bikes over rim brakes when both were available side by side

@@davidarthur with respect David, you're not the average punter and I'll leave it at that. I ride with around 30-40 different people in any given month with the Club and I can think of only one person on discs prior to the last 3 to 4 years when there has been virtually no option on new bikes unless you're buying a top end model. He has been squeaking and screaming around with us on his Giant Defy during that time. Let's see how many more bankruptcies we have in the next 12 months.

Disc brakes have made the time needed to change wheels with flat tires so much longer that standard procedure now is to fetch a new bike off the roof. It means riders are more affected by greater time loss and can lose touch with the break or peloton than they would have with quick release and rim brakes.

@@88pedro888 Well disc brakes started appearing on road bikes in about 2014 so somebody was buying them back then, maybe just not anybody in your club

I'm not sure I've done a video on this topic before

Tadej did and won on rim brakes a while back.

All pros would go rim if sponsors allowed, when disc's entered and when you still could ride rims, first 3 places were always rim bikes. Less rotation mass, more aero more compliance,so light overall you had to AD weights

​@@ryanterence471he swapped for rims every single time he was allowed and won

@@ryanterence471 bruh

Listening to their screeching is entertaining though

Agreed. Huge comfort benefit to having wider bars.

Gunna disagree. Gone from 44 to 42cm. Massive improvement in comfort. May go to 40... It's about the width of your shoulders

Tubeless doesn't suck. They may do it because of time constraints for mechanics. Setting up tubeless is more time consuming and messy given they change the tires often in a grand tour.

​@@DaveCMtubeless is brilliant but you'll never get as compliant and light race horse tire with tubeless

@@oreocarlton3343 What?

That's twice as wide as my saddle.😊

@@nycticorax5653 😁

Great for gravel, less so if you like going fast on the road

@CyclespeedTours I like them, I've got Victoria airliners on them as well. It gives me the perfect balance between Road and gravel without having to carry any tools. But I'm all light gravel. And the airliners provide a little rolling inertia, which is nice 👍

your comment literally makes no sense

Oh sod off. Disc brakes are amazing on road bikes. I've been on team disc since 2015 and it'll be a cold day in hell I go back to rim brakes. Better braking; better modulation; wider tyres; not worrying about dying when it gets wet; not destroying carbon rims. Rim brakes should have died when MTB's started specing them 20 years ago.

​@@richardhaselwood9478I'm happy to hear you are enjoying your leisure bike and recreation

Even on long descends, you are not problem free, rotors and fluids do overheat like rim on rimbrakes if your technique is wrong. There were many brake failures on road disc's due to overheating

@@oreocarlton3343 and this is easily fixable by using bigger rotors. It's annoying that many bike manufacturers do not spec 180mm rotors, although Merida do. You can adaptors though Boom, problem solved

@@richardhaselwood9478 that is my point you need a gravel bike, not a road racing temperamental horse

Yes, he forgot to include that in the "Trends to Avoid" section! 🙂

Aero equipment allows higher speeds, and narrower bars have less leverage and control.

Funny I thought there were fewer crashes in this year's race so far. And crashes are part and parcel of pro bike racing, impossible to eliminate completely

You actually shouldn't have to worry about that. Most bike shops will happily change out your bars when you buy it... At least, so far as I'm aware Otherwise, do like I do and get a $25 alloy set from Wiggle to see if you like the narrower bars :)

@@richardhaselwood9478 I hope the bike shop might do that… but I’m not sure that’s common here in Denmark. I already have a 38cm bar on my road bike and I simply love it… I instantly felt way more comfy on the bike and the slight aero gains is also welcomed 🤗

@@jahen65 I do hear where you are coming from. I went to a 42 from a 44, and am thinking about 40. If the bike comes with nice bars, you'd want to replace them with the same kind. Best of luck

I made a video 7 years ago saying how much benefit there was in switching to a narrower bar.......

It's not clickbait though is it

@@davidarthur it is. Very. Don't be sad. Just own it.

@@brrrogers how wrong you are, maybe google click bait yeah?

Amen! Reason for big tires today is because of disc lockups

Oh bull shit. Rim brakes are shit and plenty of pro's are perfectly happy using them.

@@oreocarlton3343 what is wrong with wide tyres? Too much comfort? Too little rolling resistance? Ability to run at nice low pressures?

@@richardhaselwood9478 nothing wrong with them if racing is not what you are after, why would you have a racing bike if you are not into racing? Kona Rove with schwalbe marathon 35mm is a good dropbar bike, but is it a road racing bike?

@@Quicksilver079 Sagan also lost Paris Roubaix after his electric shifting goofed because of the cobbles and he was in the breakaway. Electric shifting might be a good fit for flat road races with no cobbles, it changes very little on bike design compared to disc brakes, but personally I would never have it

Rim brakes on carbon wheels in the rain can be horrible. Braking in wet conditions with discs is *WAY* better. IMO, that's the only significant difference. Disc brakes might also be much better on long steep decents that require a lot of braking, but I don't know much about that situation

Braking from the hoods is more easier. Disc's make racing bikes slower and heavier

No, it's because it's 2023, you know. 20th century called, they want their rim brakes back.

@@giodc8599 Fine by me, riding pro level bikes for a fraction of the cost 👍

To be fair, in 2019, not all the elements of the system were there. Wheels were still narrow, and compromised the aerodynamics of any tyre wider than 25mm. And therefore you weren’t hitting the width limits of rim brakes. I could just fit a 28mm tyre in my rim brakes by deflating the tyre, and inflating once the wheel was installed. As a recreational rider, that worked for me, but would be a nightmare in a race scenario.

@@ryanterence471 How can a braking system that weights 500g~ over a comparable rim brake grouper be faster? It’s 100% to do with the aerodynamics of the bikes that are making them faster than older rim brake models 🤷‍♂️

@@archieman123 I'd like my brakes to work all the time too, you know. I know it's hard to change for some people but certain things just have to die. Mechanical shifting is next. Be ready or not, that's how it is. I love my disc brakes and eTap on my comfortable Endurace with a split seatpost, 30mm tires and what not. It's funny how you come up with the 500gr there, as if you are not making it onto the big stage because of disc brakes. Funny.