Just found the channel --proper workshop and the commentary says to me that you chaps know how to use the kit in it .... I wish you were closer to Norfolk Id be the free workshop tidy man (im 70 and love the smell of car oil in the morning) PS 70 years young and still driving my Focus RS 3 --and just sold my 1986 immaculate capri 2.8 .. best regards

You are going to have a problem with those ring gaps, should multiply by bore diameter, surprised you weren’t surprised at such a small figure that you interpreted to be….

You have to accept that sometimes you get a customer that's not going to be happy no matter what you do. One of my old bosses told me years ago when you have a bad customer just hit em in the wallet lol. Whenever someone comes to my shop and asks me for a price and inevitably say so and so can do it cheaper I say, "I guess that's where you should take it then". That's usually the end of it. Some customers aren't worth the time you're never going to get back no matter how much they pay.

Your ring gaps are totally wrong!!!!! That BMW engine will nip the rings and blow up!!!!! You need the bore size. If you look at the instructions its x 1" of bore. So like 86.5mm piston is 3.406" So it needs to be 0.007" x 3.406 = 0.024" that's the correct ring gap. Better get that engine back..... Don't let it go out like that.... it will blow up. Ash SRD Tuning Love the channel like watching you guys but look at the instructions. I build loads of high power 1000hp + engines and use the manly pistons all the time.

"I'm not being funny, but it sounds like you can't afford me" usually shuts them up.

I though the ring gap is times your bore size so if you have a a 3 inch bore your ring gap needs to be .024"

Its already been said a few times, but youve done those ring gaps wrong, they're far to tight

7 thou is NOT the gap, you need to multiply the bore size by that figure. IE if your bore was 3 inch, the gap requirement would be 21 thou. 7 though is too tight and will break rings and or damage the bore. The Manley chart clearly states ' BORE x 0.007'.

Is ring gap not a calculation of bore diameter x recommendation…. Not straight 0.007” unless you’re on a 1” bore.

I love the final scene/words. Shows that your sense of humor is alive and well. 😊

I thought it stated Bore multiplied by your .007". So 3.50" bore x.007" would be .0245". But i could be wrong. Let me know.

OMG I have the very same clients. They are few. I call them the "1 percenters". " I can time my own cams if I had a degree wheel, dial gauge, and the other small bits." I tell them all of those tools would be a great investment to their tool boxes. I NEVER take in the "tuner wanna be's". They are the ones that have others build their machines. They are also the ones to shower accolades on themselves, as a great engine builder, if all works well. Conversely they are also the ones to spit venom at a shop if they have a failure. Great video. Thanks Lee for all of the hard work. It takes time and patience to put together these videos. A special shout out to your wife. I hope she got through her exams. Both of you are a winning team. You are blessed to have Paul, John, Isacc and your father in law (Ray?) to help round out the "A" team. Be good. Stay safe. Go out and have a Deluxe weekend.

It's an absolute truism that the people who want to pay the least are always going to be the most aggro. The penny pinchers are the ones to watch out for. I'm in a different world, but self employed, and it's never not been true. By far the worst, most difficult, customer I ever had - the ones who were constantly on the phone moaning, pushing for more and more, getting every last possible drop of blood, were the ones who paid the least.

Just a question about ring gap please. If I was reading the chart that came with the pistons/rings I would interpret it as bore times 0.007, so for example a 3" bore x 0.007 would be 0.021" so if you left it at 0.010" it would be to tight.

Those ring gaps, it stated bore x 7 thou. You never calculated the correct ring gap and just went straight to 7 thou

The gap sheet states "bore X .007" not .007"...... so a 3" dia bore should be gapped to .021"......

Hi Lee, Back in the day I sold cars. Back then, everyone was expected to sell 30 CARS A MONTH!. I about crapped in my pants when I learned this on my 1st day. Another thing I learned was: there are two kinds of car sales, one where you make a small fortune off the customer and the other one where you made no money at all. The customer who got no deal at all, will love you, tell his friends about you, come in and say hello each time he gets his car serviced. I mean, you walk on water with the guy. Then there are customers you practically gave the car to them. Those customers will complain about everything; why isn't this part covered by warranty, why is it taking so long to finish my oil change, I thought my gas mileage was going to be hire, you mean wiper blades aren't covered under the extended warranty? It only takes giving away one or two cars to learn I'm going to clean out the bank account of every guy that comes through the door to buy a car. One more thing, would you be surprised how many customers would come in to buy a car and just pay he sticker price to avoid the long negotiation process. All of the cars I owned, since Car Max opened, were bought at Car Max. I never got stuck with a piece of crap from them. I always bought the 60,000 extender warranty on every car and they all paid for themselves, several times over. BTW, I hated selling cars. I lasted about a month. I got tired of feeling like a bank robber. Later, .

The problem with guys who take parts to different shops ,is the warranty side ,as you will always get people who will blame 1of the other shops ,even if it is their fault.The good old our bit failed because they made a mess of their bit

That ring end gap is bore x.007, not .007. So if the bore is 3.0 inch the gap should be.021, not 007.

The know how is Always king and you guy's know how, I have always been interested in how engines work.great work on the videos I find them interesting

Had a neighbour years ago ask if my brother and I had a crank grinder in our workshop (we didn’t) told him to go and see a local company that did. Came back a day later saying “he wants £10 a journal to grind it. So I said “ ok then I’ll spend £5k on a machine to do your crank for free shall I?” He got the point!

Looking forward to watching this video, on the train back home from work. I love this video title, and the thumbnail is best ever ! 😅

Wow im amazed how you remember where all the parts where for that one engine. And what a lovely finish on that rocker cover

Sounds like you don't know how to do ring end gap correctly 😂

WTF. Ring gap is 0.007" TIMES BORE DIAMETER. Not 0.007" total.

Ha, ha I had remembered reading people saying, 'you had mucked up the rings' last time I read through the comments, so as you did these, I thought, 'aha, he is proving his ring measuring competence. I first took little notice of the procedure until you started measuring. You said you needed .007 and proceeded to allow for some unknown greater than .008 - So I went to read the sheet..It is in blinkin English; Bore x 0.007. It is also explained in the text below the chart. We've all done stupid muck ups but not on camera thank goodness...Didn't it occur that whatever you did with that reading it was impossible to match your expected figure? You don't appreciate people saying, ''I could have done it, if I had the tools''.. Well almost everyone here can use a file and carefully stroke the ring in the right direction and de-burr after measuring for correct gap. Here's hoping I did something stupid by misinterpreting the video.

Brilliant episode. Excellent views of the engines' builds & so true about sacking-off the potential troublesome client. I've run businesses and a smart 'No' has saved me more often than not! Your videos have got better and better Lee, well done.

Good one Lee. Have a great weekend.

I use a piston with a top ring installed- that way you know when you push it in it is square to the deck.

First time finding your page, my goodness it is interesting..

Only just stumbled across your KZfaq... Nice work .. 👍🏻

We have all had those customers sorry to say 👍👍 Keep up the good work

Im really confused about the ring gaps. Thought most engines are 16 to 28 thou? You seem to be using much smaller gaps.

At 0:51, aren't the gaps supposed to be the bore TIMES 0.007, so for example a 4 inch bore requires a 0.028" gap?

I love the stories Lee.

Do you ever use 'Process Sheets' to ensure the correct sequence of the rebuild? In the aviation world it is best practice to use Process Sheets which of course also act as a checklist to avow costly errors or omissions.

Please tell me yo multiplied th 7 thou by the bore dia??? It says bore X 7 thou

A big congratulations on wearing safety specs while machining. It not only protects your eyes but also sets a good example to the rest of your workforce, most importantly your young apprentice. There will be others of course who won't take your lead and scoff however whilst we are responsible for our own safety we also have a responsibility to others even moreso you being the gaffer.

I don’t know much about the V8s but I seem to remember that the preloads for the lifters takes quite a time. More importantly when you have another pushrod engine like a B series could you go in detail on how to time the cam. I saw the A series one but it would be a great to have genuine lesson. Many thanks I have subscribed from the beginning.

Many years ago when we had to go to shops to buy music, I knew someone who would drive 30 - 40 miles to save £1 on a CD and then claim he'd saved money by shopping round. Great video and chat, loving how clean the engines look when they've had some TLC ready to return to the customer.

Back in the late 70's i worked briefly for this engine rebuilding shop ( they no longer exist) . The owner was a real loose cannon, if he didn't like the customer he would sometimes physically chase them out of the shop. The reason i finally left there was because he totally scammed a customer. The customer brought in this beautiful late 60's camaro with a 427 c.i. engine, four speed. The customer stated that he was driving along and he lost oil pressure and immediately shut it off. We tore the oil pan off to find that the oil pickup had fallen off, nothing else was found to be wrong. He charged that customer for a full rebuild. I couldn't work for someone that corrupt.

Omg lee, that part about the customers made me giggle, I've had a few like that, bloody nightmare they are......cheers.....paul j.

I've heard that comment myself where people state that if they had the equipment they could do it themselves and it most often comes from people who've had zero experience actually doing the type of work. I like Lee's response to that sort. I've always found it difficult to be patient with people who push to minimize the work you have to do in order to get the job done more cheaply. Another one is where they tell you how long they think it should take you to do the work, and it's always just a few minutes. Oh, and for those who don't think that Lee puts in real hands on time in the shop doing the work, I would suggest that they go back and watch more than one or two past videos. And even if he got to the point where he didn't do much of the work anymore due to growth of the business and his efforts being required elsewhere, what business is that of anyone? I can't believe the number of jerks that comment on youtube. My guess is that they're unhappy people that try to console themselves by trying to make other people miserable. My guess is that they're jealous of success the shop is having. We should be glad for each other, not bitter, jealous, and lashing out.

Hi Lee, do you ever replace a small end bush, if so any chance of a video, Cheers Ray Great Show Thanks for all your efforts.

I ran my own business for 35 years, and many customers didn’t have any idea about the jobs I turned out, and always thought they knew better - whatsmore, they always expected all the extras they added on for free. I lost on average £1k a year in bad debts too. Thank goodness I’m retired and out of the business.

Ring gap guide said 7thou x piston size in inches approximately 21thou or am I missing something?

So are you going to actually gap the rings correctly on that BMW motor? In what world would 7 thou of ring gap be correct for any performsnce car engine? Scary.

You seem to post a lot of issues, not sure I’d use u on this basis

Sure would like to see an update on this one. A Few commented on ring gap was not correct and they are absolutely right. How was this issue resloved ?

Not sure if I’m reading the chart wrong or you are but it looked like it said BORE X .007 - being .021 on a 3” bore - I’ll be looking for this one in a future warranty claim.

That's the first time I'VE SEEN YOU ON MACHINE

the customer 'isn't always right'. part of running a successful business is calling out the time wasters but also providing a service to those who appreciate your skills, both of which you do.

Dude your doing that ring gap totally wrong! That's .007" per inch of cylinder bore. That's why it says " Bore x .007" . Recheck those instructions.

True , but some are looking for a good deal/price (I understand you get what you pay for) and they pay , just because it's an expensive (old/classic/limited etc) doesn't mean owner is loaded , most work hard for their pride and joy or toy

I restore old sash windows and if I get a feeling I just don’t quote it

Had a Mini engine rebuilt in the 70s and it did 200/pint afterwards. Never smoked, garage gave me 20galls of oil, dont know what they did to cause it, but aways reliable with no problems😊

Quick question on your calcs on ring gap. Taking a guess that that bore is about 82mm ish. Should the ring gap not be more like 22 thou ??

The trick to the oil control rings is to stsck them all together and install them all at the same time to check the gap.

Cheers Lee, on the Cosworth Flywheel did you check the mating face on the back of the Flywheel to Crank boss Face?, if that isn’t true theirs no point trying to balance the Crank and Flywheel assembly. See you on the next one 😊

There are the people who appreciate people with knowledge and experience and are prepared to pay for that. And there are those who don’t want to pay for that and think it’s for everyone else to pay except them. If you want a decent job you need to pay, there are no shortcuts in life.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again “ Joe Public, he’s generally a pain in the arse “ they really do get in the way of enjoying your job.

The bloke down the pub said it will only thank you 5 minutes

When I was a Forman at a Garage I worked at We had a couple of customers we sacked only to find one had been banded by a couple of main agents in the area so good for you Lee Some are just not worth the agro and you know how ever hard you try for them it will never be right. Id be interested to know if you have to repolish the end Main bearing journals after you have balanced a Crank. Keep up the good work.

One of the best/worst I heard from client was "such n such up the road can do it for this much" when isn't anyone up the road equipped to do the job.

just an observation do you use washers on clamp bolts eg when you were milling the piston heads didnt seem to be any i am no engineer but was always told to use washers on mating faces

thank you

Ouch sounds like you get more pain from the customers then the engines!

being a fab/welder/mechanic mostly callout to plant/agric repairs' the one that pissid me off the most ''All you gotta do is'' to that it was ok you dont need me you know how to repair it yourself i'll send you the call out charge bill ..........

You need to give Isaac and Paul a camera and have them take "POT SHOTS" during the day of the various machining that gets done by themselves and others. It was a pleasure to see John on the screen. Be nice to have him go through a polishing at least once.

I like your flat out style; dont over do it LOL

Got to say I am the sort that will try and do everything myself, I love learning new things and apart from the machine work, I've done everything on my car, I've built the engine, I've made the engine wiring harness and I've even been learning to map it. Yeah I've had a few bumps in the road but that's learning. I do however get where you're coming from, I'm a pipefitter by trade and the amount of people that's said they were also pipefitters then see what they actually know is astounding. These days when someone says they can also do what I do, I just raise an eyebrow and simply say "oh yeah" as I'm about to hear a load of drivel.

So many people in management and owners need to learn that lesson, yes turning away work or jobs etc isn't a thing you really want todo, but when you have those customers that tie you up so much, and cause you pointless problems you are not actually making much if anything on it since you have to dedicate so much time and effort 9/10 on their cheap budget job.....money in the till, money in the till they will say and never see that you would have got more money in the till telling the pain in the cheeks customer no and just get on with everything else

Prospective customers have to pass "The Flake Test". A few are unable to do so. Pushy types are the worst, then the cheap types. I pick my customers as much as they pick me. For the future Lee this phrase works every time. "We'd like to help you out, which way did you come in?"

You need to make the ground clear from. the outset, confirmed in writing, minimises nightmare scenarios, but nothing eliminates them completely

Nice to see the Lee cub progress to a Lion and put himself and business first vs the old days!! 👍🤛👏🙃 He'll contaminate us. F.... Off!

"Something about the Mini lot" Fair shout some Mini owners are bit quirky and parochial in their own ways, it is funny though. A chap I know who's into is classic Rover/MG Mini's we all call him gremlin, cause's he's short, freckled, ginger, podgy going bald and a fussy curmudgeon but he's alright and it gives him character.

Yeah I would not waste gas over there where you're at. Especially since they charge you by the liter 145.7p at today's prices compared to the US here in California, it is $5 09 US dollar per gallon. Makes me feel I'm a little better on what I pay but not by much.

sometimes u just get that fealing u are gonna get your fingures burnt and its safer to say no im with u on that

i knew it, a bunch of slackers, everyone of them would need a X- ray to see if they had a full days work in them. 8D

Veryvery true

Same as selling cars. The moment you give them a discount they will come back demanding you fix everything wrong on the car even though the agreement was "as is"

Can you replicate the factory fly cut finish on the Cosworth Rocka ??

your 6th sense is essential when it comes to sussing out crappy customers

A lifetime ago a friend worked at a mens wear shop while in high school. The owner had been in business for years and could size people up after talking to them for a couple of minutes. Some people you just will not be able to satisfy, so send them down the road.

can anyone explain to me why manufacturers group cylinders so close together ..looks to me like they are setting up for easy head gasket blow on that 6 cylinder BMW, a 1/4" extra or more on each cylinder would only make a 4 cylinder engine and the car grow 1 inch wider ...so cant be that surely

If you are having to work hard to solve errors on components what is the quality of components the manufactures,conrods do not alter in weight from manufactures? so what is happening?

Flat out playing with your phones 😂😂😂😂

Nice ending. 🙂

So what your saying is you can't do it with a black & decker attached to a bench top drill stand from Amazon?

A guy I worked with many years ago did a high performance engine for a guy. He balked on the price but there was a signed estimate, and the final price was less than estimate. He refused to pay. The boss said fine. He then died, his wife told us to keep it. I ended up getting the engine for the price of the parts. The son came to collect the engine, we showed the letter thru the lawyer.

Barum engines channel,I find it unfathomable you could have more drama tha a 13yo school girl but here we are😉

Some customer just aren't worth putting up with no matter the $$$. You were good when that guy came in your door and you'll be good when he closes it as he leaves.

When the enquiry starts with "Wot it is is..." our answer is probably going to be no.

LOL A good engineer makes skilled and potentially dangerous operations look easy, the customers that say they would do it themselves would make a right do of it themselves if they tried, would not even want to think about what could happen. %100 for PPE.

As Ruskin said. One can pay too little for something.

I can imagine if the head gasket blows on that blokes mini engine and the blame game that could involve 🤔 I reckon you dodged a bullet there. 👍

Gotta do your best to turn down the price shoppers. Once they start saying that so and so are cheaper, we just tell them that it sounds like a great deal. We can't compete, a customer price shopping to that extent for a rebuild or competition engine probably can't afford it anyway, even if they could there expectations are far beyond what anyone could deliver, so yeah move them along.

I had a bloke drive 40 mile because the exhaust was £3 cheaper i didnt budge and he went wasted a full day and a 80 mile trip 😂

Pro tip: gap your oil control rings too.

When someone is as cheap as that, £10 here, £5 there, you know they're going to be a pain. They'll query every little thing, trying to save 50p. More hassle than they're worth. I've asked for all in price if I bring MORE work/buy more stuff to places, they can always say no. (I was buying RAM and asked what can you do if I order 80 sticks can we get near X? reply was 78 for X - done)