Mark and Jonathan touched on some MAJOR points - how do you think we can get e-rides regulated?

I've just realised the problem, E-scooters don't generate tax revenues like taxi's and other forms of public transit. They're the perfect form of urban mobility, they don't produce CO2, they don't pay road tax and they can be used safely by people of all ages. As a person who was disabled by illness, my e-scooter gave me freedom to leave my flat.

The rest of the world is laughing at Englands, Governments decision to outlaw private scooter ownership, but allow you to ride on roads as long as you have rented a scooter from ( I assume a "Government approved " ) scooter company. If this is not blatant corruption , I don't know what is.

Legalize it but set some safety rules. They are great for going to work, shopping, run short errands. Use the bike lanes .

E Scooters are in the most literal sense a Mobility Scooter since they are essentially a scooter that enables mobility. Let's save the planet and get on those e Scooters

The only reason these arent legal in this pathetic country, is because the government aren't making money on them.. If bicycles (and horses) were invented yesterday they too would be illegal

E-scooters are not the problem. It is the idiots that ride at high speed through pedestrian areas, the wrong way on one way streets and roundabouts and straight through red traffic lights (the same applies to some cyclists). There needs to be regulation around safety, eg mandatory lights, helmets and visable clothing, as well as a crack down on those that make it impossible to allow scooters at present. Anything that gets polluting vehicles off the road is a good thing but not at the expense of pedestrian safety.

My partner and I aren't long back from a trip to italy, where ebikes and eScooters are just a way of life it seems, we even had a go ourselves and they're incredibly useful for short journeys. When we got back to the UK, it just feels like we're about 10 years behind and our laws are antiquated in this regard, what are we doing, why are these clearly essential travel methods so restricted in 2022? Isn't this everything we've been striving for?

Just don't stop. I've never stopped. They're not gonna hit you off it, just sirens and chase you until you go down an alley or canal entrance haha

I ride a Nami Viper that does 60mph around Glasgow and I've seen more police than I can count but never been stopped. I wear full motorcyle gear (it might as well be one), I follow the same rules of the road as everyone else, I don't speed, I indicate etc etc. So why should I be stopped? You know what's more of a danger around here? The idiot delivery riders and their e-bikes on the fkn pavements weaving in and out of every tiny gap imaginable. I've been hit by one of them before, but you know what I've never been hit by? An e-scooter using the road...

We drove around Bristol at the weekend and the large numbers of abandoned orange scooters was breath taking. Private ownership would stop this issue. It’s nuts that we can rent one but not buy one.

Here in Latvia everything that's bellow 250w and that's limited to 25km/h is the same as bicycle and you don't even have to register it in any way (you can but it's not necessary). You can ride on the same road as cars and you are protected by law in case of crash (you are automatically a victim).

Even though I live in the US it feels personal that the UK government is upholding this oppressive law

What about the safety issue, someone hires a scooter off the street that have never ridden one before and has a crash vs someone who owns a scooter and has had practice on their own land and is now confident on riding one

I use my scooter at night with lights and a helmet. I use it to get home from a bar I work at in another Borough across the river. We do not have cheap night transport and even in the day its two different Bus companies resulting in loosing 1hr of wage. I can ride my scooter and charge up at the bar and home for a few pence and get home in 10-15mins. Thats faster than a bus.

I ride a Xiaomi 1s to work and home, I've had no problems with the law (probably because I ride sensibly and wear hi visibility and protective gear) and I'm saving money. It has been the best thing I've ever done and it's ridiculous how the law sees it.

You are really worth my support. Thanks for the info.

You have to realize how dangerous e-scooters are. If you get into an accident with a car, that car might get dented or scratched.

I participated to this and a bit sad of the results. The only thing: E-scooters must be legalised! That's all. Trials being extended ad aeternum by the current government... Enough is enough!

i got threatened by two policemen that they could take my scooter,,i was not even riding...i was just pushing it along...

Unbelievable! I've this problem was only here in São Paulo - Brazil. They really want to tax us in everything, there's no freedom ever in an electric scooter.

It is an utterly ridiculous situation. Here's hoping a complete reversal beckons. Best of luck to those unlucky and unjustly punished to-date.

You will have to wait until the trial period ends, then there will be scientific studies so that the government can follow the science then there will be an exhaustive list of scenarios where you can or must not use a permitted scooter which will be limited to 15.5 mph rendering it useless for serious hill climbs or longer commutes. Alternatively they will require them to registered and taxed for road use only so that they can increase government income.

Brilliant video and great content. Detatched both quads dec 20 and although largely recovered I’ve lost strength. Places I can go on my wheel are priceless! It’s an aid and wicked good fun ✌🏻

I'm grateful for all your work! Thank you.

Super glue a set of peddles onto your e-scooter then it's a ebike 💡

😂crazy that it’s illegal when my university just gave me an e scooter

Said it before the law is fecking ridiculous! Well done guys for getting this far, can’t believe they upheld the points crazy

Time to protest.

I feel incredibly blessed to live in a city that legalized electric scooters in 2018 up to 25 mph on the street, sidewalk, or bike paths with no insurance, license, or registration required. I feel incredibly ashamed to live in a world where places like the UK can deprive my fellow humans of the right to ride electric scooters almost completely.

This law is ridiculous!!! Like get with the program London!! Make it legal. In my case, I couldn't fathom not being able to use my E-Scooter or my E-Bike to commute around NYC especially a place where you don't need a car

The only reason for making private scooters illegal is a corrupt relationship with Lime and other rental companies. Corrupt Boris needs to be replaced, scooters need to be legalized and given smart safety standards. If we're clever we start drafting new standards ahead of time, for them to reference. Ideally this would be done EU wide to make a large, consistent market.

Disabled people can benefit from using e scooters. Those with limited mobility, no bad enough to require a full blown electric wheelchair.

Why does the Govt not include privately owned PET in the trial? It will then have more data which can be analyzed by rented scooters and private ones, etc. Or is the trail with rental companies just another income stream for local authorities and these rental companies?

That's the thing I ride my e scooter to work because I'm waiting for my bycical to be fixed police don't stop me or even say anything I have ask them what's the deal with the scooters they said they have more better things to do then chase a e scooter 🤔

what the hell i'm unemployed and i live in borehwood and a community support officer had my e-scooter taken by the police and a few months later I received a letter saying that iv'e received 6 points but the fine is 800 pounds and by the way this is my first ever offence and I mean EVER so I phoned a number that was on the letter told them to take me to court there's no way i'm paying an 800 pound fine for a first time offence and i'm still waiting but you can be damn sure that ill fight this

Keep up the good work! Thank you guys

Good work guys, i'm 52 and I have been riding electric scooters for over 20 years and have never cased or had an accident, I also ride an electric skateboard, an electric trike and E bike. its a stupid law that just doesn't make seance. we should all be looking at this sort of clean transport, It just means that if you are going to get stopped by the police, its not worth stopping. would a 10 year old get 6 points on there licence in there future. lets hope the police will do the right thing in this case and just look the other way.

If scooters are considered "motor transporters" then what about electric bicycles? They're the same thing in a different shape.

Absolutely stupid laws in the UK! Here in Norway, electric scooters fall in the same category as bicycles as long as their top speed do not exceed 20 km/h. Only over this speed they are illegal.

Start a "hire scheme" company. People pay a large up front fee (essentially they buy the scooter) and pay a small monthly subscription to ensure it meets the legal requirements of a hire scheme. No one else uses the scooter but technically you are hiring it.

Allowed in Germany .. It is common sense that when roads are built seperate cycling and e scooter paths should be built. In Germany you need liability insurance and also a small number plate which is on the back of the e scooter.. One just hast to beware of where you can ride them .. for example your not allowed to ride on the pavement...

Great work guys

The issue with escooters is that: they want to go as fast as fuelled vehicles but don't want to pay for the consequences when accidents occur, they need to cover themselves against such incidents and be accountable, insurance is the bear minimum requirement. I drive in London alot, 20mph speed limits are imposed for safety, but when a escooter is overtaking me and bouncing on then off the pavement to weave through traffic, accidents happen and I have witnessed two. They have no regard for pedestrians or other road users that includes cyclists

what about people with severe mobility disabilities, surely enabling them to travel to the shop unaided is a huge incentive in allowing at least people with reduced mobility to use scooters

Well done Guys amazing thanks for your help and support micro mobility In 🇬🇧😍

There is absolutely no way that I would own and ride one of these in the UK. That is, until they're legal. Then I'll have one in a heartbeat! Until that time I'll use my Car to ferry my 67 years old ass everywhere! But I'd rather not, if UK Government would only just see sense in PLEV.

If legalised, I've suggested a two tier speed limit system of 12.5 mph and 20 mph. The 20 mph speed limit would be for e-scooter riders that have a full UK drivers or motorcycle licence. The 12.5 mph limit would be for everyone else with the obtaining of a provisional licence. Sounds a win win for everyone.

The real reason e-scooters haven’t been legalised is for the following reason.. UK roads are full of potholes. E-scooter wheels are tiny. With both incessant potholes and tiny wheels, there would be accidents 24/7. Compensation claims would come flooding in to local councils. As they’re currently illegal to use in public, a user cannot make a claim if they hit a pothole and suffer an injury.

It is about the same with modern EV vehicles in the L7e class, like the new developed German Xbus. The Xbus is a lightweight €17.500 EV, that meets some very strange resistance from governements. A €75.000 Tesla, with 2.5 metric ton, gets subsidized but lightweight EV's will get nothing but strange rules or bans. Coulld it be, that the law works in protection for the big legacy car brands ? ? or is it just stupidity and laziness.

I wish you luck in sorting this issue out.

Find your version of minister of transport. Make sample flyers that would hurt his election or appointment, and tell him that if he doesn't resolve this issue, he won't be minister for long. These politicians are there to serve themselves, not the public. If you want them to do something, you have to force their hand.

It comes down to the fact that if more private e-scooters are allowed, the government will lost money. They will lost in so many ways, less people using public transport, less people using cars, less people in cabs. These all lead to less taxes being generated. They get the Limes of the scooter world to pay insurances(more taxes). If I purchase a car and pay insurance on that, why can private individuals not just pay insurance on the e-scooter. We're in just fighting the government, and they're trying figure out a way to get us to pay tax on it in some form or way, for now, let's fine them and get money that way.

I wished they would make e scooters legal especially at this time when everyone is struggling with cost of living etc i would save easy good 60 pounds a week just on fuel and am sure there is a lot of others in the same boat am thinking is it worth the risk or not cost of living goes up maybe we have no choice sadly.

E-scooter should be classified as a bicycle due to the fact of this B maximum that he can reach if you could go faster than a bicycle that is different

Only in the UK. This country is a total disgraceful shambles. Everyone else on the planet uses their e scooters without any problems. We the people need to crush these draconian laws.

E scooters are the most harmless source of transportation but the UK is like "nah we prefer gas vehicles, car crashes and bicycle accidents" like what is so wrong with e scooters? their eco friendly, easy to ride on bike paths and side walks and it would help a lot of people save money on ubers taxis etc. i love my e scooter but i feel bad for everyone else in the uk who can only ride on private property

How are the skateboard laws over there? Are they allowed on public sidewalks? Back in the sixties and seventies in the US we had similar animosity toward skateboards and skateboarders with people being arrested for doing nothing more than riding their skateboards in parking lots (car park). Over the years these laws and the public view of skateboards in general have relaxed, but we still have a long way to go.

Absurd, to have legal rentals and not own. Scooter laws vary widely here in the USA, mostly illegal everywhere. I sold my scooter and now use e-bikes because pedals are legal.

_300 pound fine?!!_ Yeah, that's ridiculously out of proportion. That's more than a motorist pays for running a red light.

This is why lawyers are useless. This is why you need engineers to help decide. 1. Should E-scooters be allowed on the path? No, simple. You can't hear them coming and there is often not enough space for pedestrians. 2. Can E-scooters be classed as motor vehicles? Yes, it has an electric motor for crying out loud. 3. Can we compare a bicycle to a transit or a truck, NO, unless it has a motor inside it that makes it go faster. 4. If the secretary of state gets to decide, they can do whatever they like. Only based on expert opinions, and advisors. Politicians are too stupid to understand technology and how life works for the lower class in society. The reason we have this divide is because of the EU, and unfortunately, the presenter, bless her heart, has no real understanding of how things work in law, or with the EU. Please let me explain, and there is no disrespect intended, it's just that she doesn't know how important Brexit was for the whole world. There is no sustainability if England isn't free to have the right of self-determination. The lady mentioned shedding a tear because of Brexit and we are no longer a part of the institution, but most of the Europeans were slave traders. We went to war with Argentina over Penguins and we own islands around the world to protect nature. Watch: Britains treasure islands by Stuart McPhearson. Look up the 1. Phoebus cartel, the start of the EU in 1925. 2. Crash course world history 229. In English common law you do not break the law unless someone is harmed. With EU law, which is based on Roman civil code and slavery, if the government doesn't want you to do something, they can fine you for it. English law we have a jury of our peers who can only take statements from witnesses. They have to be real human beings. Judges have no power to prosecute, however again, in EU law they have 3 judges who decide the law and tell you if you broke it. In England, we have the magistrate's courts. What happened after we joined the EU? Failure to sign your driving licence with your ‘ordinary signature’ could lead to a fine of up to £5. In 1921 there were only 1 million drivers in Britain. By 1939 this figure had risen to 3 million. But it was only during the 1960s, when cars became more affordable, that motoring really took off. In 1973 the number of drivers had risen to about 20 million and a centralised computer-based licensing system was brought in to cope with the huge increase in demand for both driver and vehicle licences. So, when you talk about Brexit, the sad thing is that people have more freedom and rights in English traditional common law, compared with EU rules. Bearing in mind I'm half Dutch and was born in Hoorn, lived there for 19 years, biked to school every day, and saw the police turn up with roller trailers to catch scooters that had the restriction taken out. Scooters were confiscated, just like in your video. I later found out by doing block paving self-employed in Amsterdam that the Dutch were and still are the slave traders. Every single corporation is owned by them, it is their business model. So you are shouting freedom, and wanting to re-join or be a part of the EU? There is no logic to these thoughts and this is why many remainers have no idea about what Brexit was. Leave voters did because we did our due diligence and if you look at any chart whether it is animals extinct, plastic pollution, overfishing, Dutch super trawler factories, inflation, house prices, or government debt, all skyrocketed in 1973 because the world became lawless, it becomes the Wild wild west. After Brexit in 2016 African nations started to rebel against the French, Dutch, Belgian, and Swiss for taking their resources and plundering their lands. Look at the change after 2016 by watching the presidents over there speak, in their own words, saying, we will keep our cocoa and make chocolate here. Not give it away to Switzerland for next to nothing. Africa is rebuilding itself now, but not many people know why. With that covered, we have a way out and we teach you the laws, economics, banking, government, contracts, and many more facts. The Dutch want to leave the EU too and they should join the English system and create the new Europe, not a slave trading one, one currently in place ;-)

Great campaign team. We may need something similar here in Australia if there are widespread crackdowns. In my state of Victoria an escooters must only be capable of 10km/h max and not be ridden off the pedestrian footpath.

We need something. But perhaps they need license plates, I run street markets in London, every other person has an escooter. And I think they are great, but people do not use them sensibly, had multiple incidents and one very serious one recently (they guy on the scooter was also a drug runner and was arrested) but while Im not sure that insurance is necessary (perhaps for the more powerful models capable of 20+mph), not only so that an escooter can be traced to its owner but also to tackle theft of escooters might be the solution here.

Private ownership would stop this issue. It’s nuts that we can rent one but not buy one. The government's hypocrisy is disgusting, preventing people from riding privately owned scooters, and stopping other companies from starting rentals, whilst "authorising" other companies and making money off it...This law is ridiculous!!! Like, get with the program London!! Make it legal. In my case, I couldn't fathom not being able to use my E-Scooter or my E-Bike to commute around London

I would really like an e scooters work commuting to work. I see children and teens riding them through town centres, traffic and path ways and police don't bay an eye lid. My worry is I get one and police pull my as I'm an adult.

What I find funny and sad about this woman being one of the victims of targeting the few, is that in the town I work there's these 'illegal' escooters everywhere, kids ride to school on them even two on one, there's high speed ones that over take me when I'm doing 30, they blast about all over the town center, they cut through moving traffic and junctions like they own the road, I've even seen them riding on the pavement while a police car drove past and nothing. So if these things are illegal why have I only seen those in the news being stopped and none in my everyday of seeing them just abusing the road laws and getting away with it.

As far as I know here in the USA in the midwest, its free game. I rolled past a cop sitting in his car, doing 20 mph. He couldn't care less. Can't wait till it gets warmer.

The government really need to just crack on and legalise scooters IF people buy insurance and IF they ride responsibly. Maybe they should have to take an online 30 min test on sensible riding and how to follow the rules.

Interesting, watching from Australia. I would actually say from a viewpoint of having a Pop being a judge this is really borderline interfering with democratic principles. Take Singapore for example: Set up by Britain, but now despite being very strict with law enforcement they would not let foreign firms have an advantage and they actually banned uber. Australia is having very diverse rules between state and federal courts.

I regularly see high-powered electric bikes being ridden by food delivery riders but the police just ignore them. I think it's something to do with not jeopardizing their curry orders :-)

Thanks for your work

Yes, I kinda have!! I'm autistic, and I'm recently learning a ton about how it affects me. From my understanding, one issue is a thing called 'autistic inertia'; This is where one struggles to stop, start or change tasks. Hence, I get extremely low on energy forgetting or thinking i don't have time-I can't afford snacks or meals out regularly as I'm unfortunately poor. Social settings of more than one person too, especially public areas like the town centre where I happen to live also. I have a bike, but I live two floors up with no lift. Being autistic and recently getting out from an abusive relationship as the victim, I'm both anxious ordinarily as well as with my autism sort of magnifying the sounds around me. I recently got comfortable ear plugs to help with this while keeping me alert (loop engage, they give clarity to surroundings but muted, while voices discussed with are clearer than other plugs). I hardly operate safely nor effectively without them, I'd been stir crazy with depression anxiety and who knows, perhaps PTSD with my dickensian upbringing too. Anyway, I've been offered an e-scooter by a welfare company. I hate to take advantage but it would help innumerably: when I'm tired, diverting around high foot traffic areas, stop me getting tired or stressed before interacting or operating. I considered registering it as a mobility scooter, and may still try; I've also considered asking the local councils for express permission to responsibly use it around the towns or restricted areas; I'll ask the library sometime. I suspect while counterintuitive, the council land is privately owned. It's kinda spurring me to get a license which is good but not for the right reasons as life is difficult with the electric company (bulb) charging inconcievable amounts initially and snowballed in my finances over the months. As said, I'm unfortunately poor lol. Moreover on the poor thing, I read it only costs about 30p to fully charge them and about 60-90 for kids gimmick trend things. A scooter would help me professionally and privately, like with the shopping or trying to escape my immediate area quickly. Especially if I'm panicking or if I see my cursed ex. It would help as the north east of england, particularly Cleveland and the surrounding area, is still hard hit by margaret thatcher-busses are notoriously unreliable, old, loud, cold bus stops I've regularly waited literal hours at. It would help me access more areas while I have this eating disorder, allowing me to volunteer at the museum or whatever and I'm sure stop me being late for things as I inevitably forget lots every time I exit the door, even when i prep. The more I think about it, and I am responsible, I really think having an e-scooter would be tremendous help for me. I do hope the law is changed soon!! :(

Thank you for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation which I am sure could be resolved

Fossil vehicles have a massive proven health impact on people, especially in city centers, in a sane world this is what courts would be working to prevent. Small personal electric transport is only bettered by human power in terms of reduced impacts. Can there be a public health aspect to the case.

I live in Perth Western Australia and we have just had new laws that make scooters legal. We have a 10, 15, & 25kmh speed limit in specified areas and some roads are illegal to ride on. Helmets are a must at least we know where we stand with the law now. The power of the scooter is not rated it is how it is ridden. Same deal as cars and motorbikes. Points can be deducted from your license as part of the fine for infringements. No one under the age of 16 can ride an electric scooter in a public place.

Yeah they’re not just doing it to people in London they’re doing it to people here in America too I just lost my job because the police are trying to get me on driving an E bike without a license

Here in the United States all hell would break loose if you told us we couldn't use electric scooters,ebikes,eSkateboards etc ...

So if I hire a scooter from an official, council tendered, company I'm ok and legal. But if I bought the exact same model myself and used it in public I'd be breaking the law? How on earth can that be legal?

If they could regulate rental scooters then why don't they regulate all kinds of scooters, e-bikes, etc, so we can all have legal standing on the road as well as common safety regulations. Paid to be the regulator but they take the instant lazy way, 'let's just ban them' they said.

I think the most important safety aspect in any road vehicle to consider is the impact from the force exerted on another human being. Let's take a bicycle as an example, I have seen on multiple occasions where youngsters are riding on pavement, footpaths and also on road. Some are even travelling at 20-25 mph on pavement or public areas which is dangerous since if that bicyclist was to hit a pedestrian, it will have a similar effect as the e-bike or e-scooter being ridden at the same speed. The difference ? Well, bicycle is powered by foot and e-bike or e-scooter is powered by motor but the danger is from both vehicles. It is funny that the government does not realise this simple analogy and decides to differentiate both vehicles by regulations that don't even make sense! If the government is really concerned about the public health, why don't they also make regulation for the bicycle to not be ridden on footpath or public places?

6:40 yes that's me, I live just under 2 miles from work knee problems rule out walking or cycling so I drive which takes just as long as it would to use an e-scooter as I let me engine warm up first as anyone with car knowledge will tell you doing a short journey where the engine does get upto temp isnt healthy for the engine (especially when you have a turbo)

The people who make the laws don't have to work for a living so they pick on people who do.

Well done guys 👏

What about people who dont have a driving license. I was diagnosed with epilepsy and therefore required to hand in my driving license. Therefore an escooter is as close as I can get to powered transport without being able to drive. If I were to use my scooter (its been locked away since my wife discovered it was illegal lol) and was to be stopped, do I risk an even greater punishment? You cant get 6 points on a license u dont have, but would it be essentially the same as driving without a license?

They don't know what to do, cause haven't found a legal way to constantly milk (tax) it like they do with vehicles...

I saw you have to ask for the land owners permission before you can ride one, I have tried finding out who owns the land here in Leeds but it seems no one owns it, Highways doesn't own the land, the council doesn't own the land and since the abolition of the Feudal system the Queen doesn't actually own it. So how are you supposed to get the land owners permission for using an e scooter on a road when No-One actually even owns the land the road is on !!! Ask the court to summon the Land Owner, I would be very interested to see who actually owns the land these roads are built on !

This is something I have always had an interest in as a private easy mode of transport. But until the laws have been changed to allow this to be legal like any bike, ebike, mobility scooter(which is legal and yet escooters are not...) then I would not want to risk getting one to replace my day to day commuter car or bus.

Never trust your government. They are here to make your life miserable. This authority has to end.

scooters should only be allowed on the roads. There should be a large £10000 fine for use on pavements or shopping areas, etc. This will protect pedestrians. A small number plate and moped style insurance should be required if a scooter is able to travel faster than 15.5mph. Any scooter with a top speed below 15.5mph on the road should be treated the same as a bike. Hire schemes are just there to make money. Hire scooters should have neat docking stations like the hire bikes. Good leadership is scarce.

*Thank you for keepin us informed.* The government hipocrisy is disgustin, stoppin people from ridin privately owned scooters, stopped other companies from startin rentals, whilst "authorising" other companies and makin money off it...

The situation with hired scooters does highlight the absurdity of the current law. A complete novice can hire one, but an owner who through frequent use would become much more safe and skilful is banned.

I have a prosthetic leg a hip Replacement and metal rods attached to my spine and bought a cheap scooter so I can walk the dogs and take it places in my car where I would have to walk when I get there … I did have a mobility scooter but it was way too heavy to lode into my car plus it couldn’t go off a smooth hard surface so no good for dog walking. 12 months down the line the e-scooter was so good, it really opened my world so now I’m waiting for the arrival of a better scooter, lighter goes further on a charge and a bit faster if I need to travel on a road and also just so I can go further off track with my dogs. I really hope that they legalise them soon as I would be devastated if I had it taken off me.

I hope they make e scooters legal and then they can pay road tax, mot, and insurance. Like other powered vehicle road users

As a cyclist in London, I can't deal with e-scooters, it's not really the fault of the scooters so much as the road surfaces, e-scooters cannot be passed by anything you can never tell when they are going to swerve to miss a pothole. Every aspect of my journey to work is more stressful if I am following an e-scooter. I don't think vehicles with < 30cm diameter wheels are really suitable for use on a London road. Rental scooters are merely free batteries and motors for crooks so I think that isn't a good solution. I don't mind if e-scooters are allowed on pavements and limited to walking speed. Or if they have big wheels and proper brakes and require a license and insurance. I also think it is fine for e-bikes to require a license and insurance, I think notionally it's even fine for bikes to require licenses and insurance on some types of roads, it's illogical to have vehicle users who have no requirement in law to actually understand the rules of the road.

The government will not legalise e scooters because they have no way of making money from private owned scooters they do make money via the rental scooter market as each company pays them my advice to any escooter owner is to change to an ebike to avoid these dumb regulations

To me the problem appears to be that obviously these e scooters appeal Greatly to children and parents are buying them for them. So legislation needed to legalise road use also needs to cover these junior users (for their own safety) who currently can very often be seen whizzing along pavements full of pedestrians. The e scooter is a great piece of kit but it's today's attitude of disrespect and selfish entitlement that is stopping it from being accepted as a transport alternative.

The Road Traffic Act states that the road extends from hedgerow to hedgerow, therefore a footpath is part of the road. I have literally just walked through my home city and witnessed three e - scooter riders, in different streets, all riding like dick heads. That is the norm where I live.

This is what happens when the public go weak & let them fools run our lives like this

Ok if the e scooter is classed as a motor vehicle and the law is to childish to understand that we’re trying to move forward in life! Why don’t they let us get an MOT and insurance for the scooters? The government will still get their money from us as that seems to be the real reason they won’t let us get our own!..

All i know is its 15.5 mph in the uk.. all the rest is bloody confusing. Also my problem is mobilty,im on pip. Cant have a car on pip scheme as i dont have a licence. My electric bike is legal at 15.5 mph. Its a great life line to the outside world i must say.