I'm Switching to KDE Plasma because ...

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Chapters:
00:00 - I have always been a Gnome user, but ...
01:16 - Why KDE Plasma?
02:40 - Past experiences with Plasma
03:33 - Plasma vs Gnome
05:31 - Customization
06:19 - Different, but there for a reason
07:57 - Conclusion
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linux, desktop environment linux, linux desktop environments, gnome vs kde, gnome vs kde plasma, kde plasma customization, gaming on linux, kde plasma gaming, kde plasma wayland, fractional scaling gnome, gnome adaptive sync, open source, michael horn
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@Wurstbrot03 10 ай бұрын

Gnome does a lot of things right, but the thing is... I can emulate everything I like from Gnome in Plasma without implementing the stuff I don't like in 5 minutes. And I don't need a couple of third party extensions for it, that could break after another update. Edit: And I need a functioning system tray.

@CotyTernes 10 ай бұрын

This 1000x

@JoshuaT902 9 ай бұрын

Plus, the amazing feature activities.

@PDD555 9 ай бұрын

This, I'm surprised how much extensions you have to install in gnome to change very simple things

@vari4bled 9 ай бұрын

Well, to have a normal dock you'll need latte-dock, making a plasma panel into a dock seems to be buggy. Latte-dock itself is very buggy. For me the lack of a reliable dock like dash to the dock is a dealbreaker. Also Plasma still lacks a proper RDP server tool on Wayland. KDRP is getting there but still miles away from the encoding support of gnome remote desktop. Gnome also has gnome gnome-session-inhibit that is great for scripting stuff, as in my experience the DE doesn't respect systemd-inhibts. Even the wayland experience is much smoother, there are still some quirks on Plasma Wayland. Like for instance there is fractional scaling, but it is very buggy: graphical glitches(that were more visible, now they hid it with masks, but still visible), apps going crazy after wake, full screen apps not going into full screen and the list goes on... And show some respect to the extensions. The Gnome community has many extensions that are continously updated, with compatibility info and some really great stuff. It was wise from the Gnome team to offload features to the community in such a way. On Plasma there aren't many extensions that are well maintained. Its kind of a mess, lots of deprecated stuff still there that WILL break your system(I did manage to break mine with some task switchers for example). Take Event Calendar as an example, one of the must used extension. Dev abandoned it, it broke with the new google auth, after months of begging there are like 3 forks trying to make it work, but good luck installing any of them...( I did make it work for myself) My point is that Gnome does a lot of things better, even for power users and it and its extensions deserve some love.

@Little-bird-told-me 9 ай бұрын

@@JoshuaT902 Can someone tell me why does Activities exist ? You can have as many Virtual Desktop yet KDE team decided to add activity to the tab and a different set of short keys.

@esra_erimez 10 ай бұрын

By the way, I use KDE

@no_name4796 Ай бұрын

Kde 6 got kde to such a good state, i actually switched from gnome. I still run gnome on my old computer, as kde has actual performance issues on old hardware

@quciak_cie_zje 6 күн бұрын

Btw i use KDE ona Arch (btw)

@n.m4497 10 ай бұрын

Plasma 6 is going to be insane.

@folksurvival 10 ай бұрын

Why?

@n.m4497 10 ай бұрын

@@folksurvival huge update with around 10 months work of new features and polishing UX.

@gamingdiary1804 Ай бұрын

@@n.m4497 It's the best, ofc when updating there where some issues where plasma 5 used pulseaudio and plasma 6 now uses pipewire which needed another package to fix it but overall clearing the .cache folder and rebooting afterwards I gotta say plasma 6 is pretty fantastic! it's way too good to be true like I had a simple time replicating the macintosh look with the new "Float" taskbar feature. My only issue with it is sometimes it can be unresponsive at first after the upgrade but that could be because of the .cache folder which needed clearing before upgrading.

@no_name4796 Ай бұрын

Can conferm! Kde 6 convinced me to finally try kde for the first time, and i love it!

@arvindhn036 10 ай бұрын

Good content as always ! As a long time KDE user I've some tips to share: 1. Konsave is a great utility to backup/restore your existing KDE configuration. 2. Plasma customization Saver by Paju is an applet that will allow you to save and switch between different layouts.

@Little-bird-told-me 9 ай бұрын

I was just wondering what is the equivalent of dconf in kde and you share this comment. Thanks

@Mastarfiin 10 ай бұрын

Great video as always! I LOVE both KDE and GNOME. I use GNOME basically because, at this point in my life (my age) I just enjoy it's simplicity and workflow. But both desktops are fantastic, as you pointed out, for very different reasons. I hope you have a blast with the KDE DE, it is undeniably a BEAST at what it does.

@xorgX11 10 ай бұрын

KDE has one thing that even as Gnome user I prefer is the breeze cursor that small tiny detail that nobody cares but its so refreshing to see something like that. It's so different from your traditional arrow thingy I just love it.

@HikingFeral 9 ай бұрын

Agreed, I love that and the default Linux Mint Cinnamon cursor.

@pikachuchujelly7628 5 ай бұрын

KDE has been using that same cursor since Plasma 4, I think, and I really love it!

@Terra101 5 ай бұрын

It's on all mint desktops but I agree. Especially nice with laptop trackpads. @@HikingFeral

@batemanjo9 2 ай бұрын

@@pikachuchujelly7628 Very nice. I prefer the Oxygen themed cursors since KDE 4. openSUSE used Oxygen as the default theme in those days. Breeze is nice too. I tried it for a while. But currently on Breeze Dark theme with oxygen white cursors. I just can't get away from it 😁 I don't mod my UI too much. I just use the settings that it comes with. I like the stock dark breeze 🙂

@C0SSTY 9 ай бұрын

I'm so excited for Cosmic, I think it'll be a cross between Gnome and KDE, which is exactly what I'm looking for.,

@David_Quinn_Photography 10 ай бұрын

I use KDE as my DE as well, I prefer it over Gnome and it just works with my workflow I do 1 task at a time I don't have 4 or 5 programs open at a time.

@RayPerigo 10 ай бұрын

To each their own. I've bounced back and forth between DEs/WMs for like 20 years now. Currently rocking Plasma 5 for similar reasons you've pointed out - it just offers the customization I want while still being a full DE. I don't go ham on it, just a few little tweaks here and there (hell, I'm using the default Breeze theme), but it's more than Gnome allow for and I don't have to play the "will my extensions work after this update" game. And if I wanted to make some crazy custom desktop workflow, I absolutely have that ability here. Also the dev team are a treat. I pushed a bug report a couple years ago and it was replicated, fixed, pushed to master, and out in the next point release within a few weeks. Not that everyone's had that same experience, but it was refreshing compared to some projects I've lodged issues with.

@cgme9535 9 ай бұрын

Vanilla Arch with KDE Plasma is the GOAT. That’s why I loved how Valve setup the Steam Deck

@aquaponieee 10 ай бұрын

i am very excited for plasma 6! using plasma vs gnome is like using windows vs macos, they're very different things suitable for different needs and use cases and user preference

@QDSGames 10 ай бұрын

I get your point. But I have to say that window management in MacOS is total crap. I like my Macbook Pro for its hardware but oh boy... Under Windows I constantly struggled with the updates. They are slow and broke some apps. Not to speak about privacy and inconsistent menus. Now I have both KDE and GNOME with Fedora and I can use whatever I'm in the mood for. I love Linux.

@commentarysheep 10 ай бұрын

I’m currently using both a sanitised Hyprland install (minimalist skin + Windows-style keyboard shortcuts) and a KDE Plasma install that utilises Aero Glass and Material Design icons; basically how Windows 7 would look like today. I like this setup and I would not give it up for something like vanilla GNOME or more advanced window managers like DWM or Ratpoison.

@FrankoBurolo 10 ай бұрын

I have just come back to Plasma recently, too. 😀 I like to change my desktop every once in a while, and KDE Plasma is one of my most frequent choices, and one of those I stick with for longest periods. As you said, I can keep it Plasma, and still change my desktop entirely. 😀

@iodreamify 10 ай бұрын

I just couldn't get used to not having a minimize button. That said, Gnome absolutely has the better overall ecosystem with libadwaita. Hope you have a good time with Plasma!

@bvd_vlvd 10 ай бұрын

I like middle clicking to minimize, solves the issue without tweaking it

@iodreamify 10 ай бұрын

@@bvd_vlvd sounds like a good middle ground but it's not just that. I need the Windows model of having icons on the Taskbar because I never learned workspaces and I have 9 windows open even now. It just becomes a mess very quickly. Also don't know how to cope without a system tray lol.

@ShimmerismYT 10 ай бұрын

you can turn that on in gnome tweaks

@bvd_vlvd 10 ай бұрын

@@iodreamify oh yeah, gnome definitely wasn't for you to begin with 💀 Although there are extensions for all that but that's like saying you can download 3rd party apps to make windows look like osx

@iodreamify 10 ай бұрын

@@bvd_vlvd yeah I haven't tried it but I think I'd always be fighting the machine. I think we all get the general vision of the Gnome developers. I just wish Plasma got a little more coherent, had fewer bugs and maybe a little more focused.

@adim2674 10 ай бұрын

I'm running Plasma on my desktops/laptops and GNOME on my Surface Pro. They're designed differently for different use cases and people that pick one or the other sometimes miss that point. Nice video!

@folksurvival 10 ай бұрын

Yes GNOME is a tablet or touchscreen UI which is fine for its use-case but not really suitable for a proper desktop computer.

@kelvinpina8815 10 ай бұрын

Change the shell

@adim2674 9 ай бұрын

@@rangerkayla8824 Razer Blade 2018, only issues was the NVIDIA GPU but that worked fine when I set up envycontrol. Couldn't say for sure about your surface laptop but it should be fine.

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I think KDE Plasma and Gnome are both great options and what you choose it will come out to be a personal preference. In my case I've tried Plasma several times but haven't been able to like it and I always come back to Gnome, honestly I'm very happy with my workflow on Gnome but try Plasma time to time because many people speaks highly of it, but I never seem to like it or gives me some annoying problems that makes me go back, but for other people it just fits perfectly so in conclusion just use whatever you are happy with

@QDSGames 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. But for me it's the other way around. I like GNOME but there are some issues that make me switch to KDE. I have both installed on my workstation and can easily switch to the DE I'm in the mood for.

10 ай бұрын

@@QDSGames that's how things work in this world of us. Thankfully we have a choice 👍🏼 have a great day

@blbezcc 9 ай бұрын

Welcome to the club!

@OliverAllpress 4 ай бұрын

Cool desktop wallpaper is that part of a theme or from somewhere else?

@alwaysadventurous7905 9 ай бұрын

Gnome only works when it wants too. Which is very rare in my case lol.

@gresh1134 10 ай бұрын

While I personally prefer Gnome's stability and "sensible defaults", I'm very glad Plasma exists for those who want that greater level of customization

@HikingFeral 9 ай бұрын

I love Gnome on Ubuntu based distros and Fedora but I find it behaves a bit funny when using an Arch based system.

@hopelessdecoy 7 ай бұрын

Is this legal? Don't KDE and gnome users have to hate the other de?

@GarrettValdivia 9 ай бұрын

I also set about re-creating the GNOME environment/workflow in KDE Plasma and I *love* it. My only complaint is that I can't get my display hot-corner to work on my main monitor (KDE seems to only recognize the corner on the farthest monitor). I recently switched to KDE (Fedora) from GNOME (Pop!_OS) because I was curious about V-sync inconsistencies and stutters I saw in games. But now that I can control literally every single aspect of my desktop experience... I can't imagine giving it back up.

@robonator2945 10 ай бұрын

One thing to note is that some distros seem to play a big part in this. My laptop runs EndeavourOS, my desktop runs Garuda, they both run Wayland KDE, but my laptop craps out WAAAAY more. Still not a lot, and it never hard-crashes or anything, but I just started using it again after being desktop only for a while and it was a pretty easy difference to spot.

@tomat05 9 ай бұрын

Specific hardware probably also plays a role, because I run EndeavourOS on a 2-year-old PC and a 13-year-old laptop and I've never really had a problem with either

@SphereS7 9 ай бұрын

The software between the two distros is literally the same. It's just that DE are very hardware dependent. Wayland just does not like some hardware, really.

@robonator2945 9 ай бұрын

@@SphereS7yeah it's nowhere near that simple. Plenty of distros make tons of minor compatibility tweaks and modifications that result in different experiences. No matter how much arch chads may tell you "it's all the same" it's really not. It may be the same binaries, yes, but the configs have been tweaked and tweaked and tweaked. For most distros this generally means they're just ultra stable, but if you are on something like an arch derivative or using a particularly touchy hardware configuration the difference can rear it's head.

@astralfields1696 8 ай бұрын

Fresh one month Linux user here. Took a look at what Linux has to offer, KDE+Plasma was the clear winner, by far. On aesthetics and customization alone. That thing is the most beautiful IT device GUI I have ever had.. period. Went with Kubuntu btw.. pretty happy with the choice. I always liked the idea of Linux but hated the GUI (or lack of GUI in the early 00s).. Now it has the best GUI in the whole of IT (my opinion).

@nico1337 10 ай бұрын

I really like how you try to show different perspectives. What you said at 5:42 is exactly the same for me and that why I've been using Plasma for 4 years now. I had some buggy experiences in the past with older Plasma versions but nowadays I'm happy with my desktop. The only thing I had to change recently is to switch to a Plasma panel instead of Latte Dock because it was discontinued. I used to have a macOS like layout. Now I have a mixture between Windows and macOS layout and it's also growing on me. What I wanted to know what you didn't share in the video is your opinion on Plasma's default apps compared to GNOME's. For me I can't stand especially Nautilus compared to Dolphin. I wouldn't use any other file manager than Dolphin right now.

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

I personally like the looks and feels of Nautilus (Gnome) more than Dolphin, but man if you have several drives or network shares mounted in /etc/fstab then Dolphin is just so much better

@dmnddog7417 10 ай бұрын

I definitely prefer Dolphin over Nautilus as a file manager. Even Cinnamon's Nemo is better than Nautilus. I wish Nautilus had a toggle to switch from "basic" to "pro" or "extended" mode so it would have functionality like Dolphin. That being said, overall I find Gnome easier to use. It's more consistent.

@Thorhent 9 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH O Dolphin é a razão principal para eu permanecer no KDE.

@camilotorresf1 10 ай бұрын

I used gnome for more than a year, mostly vanilla. A couple of days after discovering some of the Gnome extensions that actually make it better for my use, I switched back to KDE, and is has everything I wanted out of the box. No need for the extensions. I configured a few bits (double click to open files), and was ready to go, fully productive. Deep inside me, I like KDE more. But Gnome is awsome, specially with Gnome 40+, it was really pleasant to work on it for that year+.

@sethbessinger2025 10 ай бұрын

Great video! I personally really like the look of KDE. It makes me feel right at home, as a former Windows user.

@Skyman12808 10 ай бұрын

Great Video Mr Michael

@EdvardssonTech 10 ай бұрын

Great video! I use Plasma myself and absolutely love it. It would be nice if you showed how you customize your DE.

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

Everything at the right time

@ExfeliusLy 9 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH what is the correct Linux for kde plasma?

@agentsmithone 5 ай бұрын

Been a Gnome DE user for years. Coming from MacOS it's been perfect. I'm very tempted by the promise of deep customization and improved stability. Further convenienced by Steam Deck and Nobara and Endeavour landing on it as a default.

@RS-gn1fk 9 ай бұрын

I'm thinking about switching to KDE for the same reasons. I really do like the the workflow of GNOME., the look and feel, the (to my opinion) good integration of Evolution and Online accounts. I gave KDE a try several tries in the past, but I was not really happy with the workflow and stability. On my system GNOME was more reliable. I'm following the way KDE goes and it seems promissioning. I think I'll wait until KDE 6 to give another try.

@liesdamnlies3372 7 ай бұрын

“Refine it to your personal needs.” Exactly why I stick to Plasma. Once I get everything _just so,_ I get very frustrated when it changes on me. And heck, gnome doesn’t even let me get to that point since I can’t really customize it to be as I want. I have something akin to MacOS’ system tray and menu, but…ya know…not terrible…and I know it won’t change out from under me at someone else’s whims.

@KadinBarrone 10 күн бұрын

Great Content! You always are so convincing, and give great information in your video. Thanks so much you have been a great time saver for me choosing a desktop environment for debian. ❤😊🎉

@MichaelNROH 10 күн бұрын

I appreciate it

@Daniel-wn5ye 8 ай бұрын

KDE Plasma is truly amazing and most likely the best desktop environment for Linux!

@MichaelNROH 8 ай бұрын

Preference

@clintquasar 9 ай бұрын

Welcome back son!

@gregdymek8011 5 ай бұрын

I see in plasma 6 they give up using X11, on wayland screensharing isn't just working out of the box, that's why I switched to KDE from Gnome (also it supports screen cloning only on 1 device like a tablet), I hope they can fix it till all the LTS plasma 5 distros are no longer supported

@yrjo5050 10 ай бұрын

Gnome is always breaking on extensions.

@cugansteamid6252 7 ай бұрын

Plasma - NOW AND ALWAYS ❤❤

@POINTS2 10 ай бұрын

Welcome to KDE! I've been using KDE ever since Canonical stopped supporting Unity around 2018. Now the question is which distro for KDE? I've used Arch, KDE Neon, and Debian and they all have their differences. One feature of KDE that I really like is offline updates. I don't have to worry about instability or restarting the browser. I can simply reboot or just turn off my computer and have the updates install next boot. You can even cancel if you are in a rush! And since it's Linux, it's a fast update, unlike other OSes.

@zapapala 10 ай бұрын

If you haven't checked it out yet, I strongly recommend OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for KDE. They roll out the latest Plasma at the same time as the KDE team and it comes with some very cool defaults (BTRFS and snapshots already setup, Firewall GUI through YasT...)

@mistermistero652 10 ай бұрын

Im sooo stoked for plasma 6

@wibwabz 10 ай бұрын

What OS did you choose? Or did you install Plasma on the same Fedora installation you have been using? Also, great job, all of your videos are great and very helpful!

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

Debian 12

@kremata 6 ай бұрын

KDE is just Superior to ANY DE at the moment. No question about it.

@pamus6242 10 ай бұрын

I'm just too scared to try KDE now, because I still have not recovered as a Gnome addict. I just do not want any more addictions in my life.

@blackmine57 10 ай бұрын

I just found out your channel, seems great! (Just not because I use KDE, other videos seems interesting too)

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

I appreciate you being here 😊

@wertywerrtyson5529 6 ай бұрын

Took me 20 years but finally checked out KDE. I don’t know why I was even against it. It’s good.

@bvd_vlvd 10 ай бұрын

6:37 UGH THAT THING I have to Alt+Enter to exit the full screen mode, move my mouse to the top left corner, do it again because I opened activities and Alt+Enter again every time I open a full screen game after restarting. Still, I'm too lazy to try Plasma lol

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

I'm not even sure who's fault that is. Yeah, Gnome messed it up, but CS:GO itself has issues like crashing when opening the new Overlay. Could be a mixture of both

@bvd_vlvd 10 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH it is mutter's fault, I have that issue in 0 A.D. so it isn't game-specific

@Zeioth 8 ай бұрын

I think KDE is the best option for laptops ATM. My favorite one is XFCE but they are gonna need a bit more time to migrate to wayland. Also KDE has quite good support for workspaces, while on XFCE the keybindings you are allowed to use are kinda constricted.

@kahuleary4327 10 ай бұрын

Really love your background wallpaper. Could you share a link to it by any chance?

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

browsecat.art/sites/default/files/minimalism-sunset-wallpapers-52691-48430-6514248.png

@mastropiero4 9 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH firewatch game?

@bikespike4150 8 ай бұрын

I am switching to arch at the moment and am being confronted with having to choose a desktop environment, in order to use any GUI in the first place. This was a really nice comparison video. I think I will stick with GNOME for now because I am so familiar with it and don't really use Linux for anything besides development so gaming won't be an issue for me (I will game on windows xD).

@thepathnotfound 7 ай бұрын

I want to game on Linux but being a flight sim fan there are third party software that won't work. Always thouthg MS should release a stripped down version of windows workstation for gamers. Just the basics, file manager and a control panel.

@lex_darlog_fun 22 күн бұрын

I came lloking for a KDE review... but I was almost hypnotized by how handsome Michael is. That took me by a complete surprize on a Linux video. Good job breaking neckbeard stereotypes, man!

@BWGPEI 10 ай бұрын

I hope you maintain that "like new things" attitude until you're past 70 like I am. That attitude sure served me well in my working career, and helps me not get stagnant after retiring.

@alwanrosyidi2772 8 ай бұрын

KDE user from version 3.5 For conservative and traditional point of view, KDE offers best user experience. Some say it looks very similar to windows. Honestly, it does and it is good. One of the best feature from KDE is fractional scaling. KDE has had the most mature fractional scaling in Linux.

@netizenz7182 9 ай бұрын

I understand now why SteamOS uses KDE. I must try to become power user of KDE now.

@szymex22 7 ай бұрын

I switched from GNOME to KDE recently and i'm really enjoying it. KDE is improving so much so fast. They worked out most of the things that have been bugging me on GNOME, small bugs and annoyances, etc. Basically every gnome feature is present but kde has sensible workflow unlike gnome, for me. And anything I don't like I can easily disable or edit, unlike GNOME which lacks any customizability. Also the gnome workflow is especially terrible for multi monitor. I think the only way it can be sensibly used is on laptops and tablets, where with gestures and stuff it is very nice. But again same can be done in KDE with a couple of clicks... The GNOME apps.... there are many of them, but they have so little options and features that its hard to use them for anything serious. KDE apps on the other hand have plenty of features, settings etc and are very good I'd much rather have a new user use KDE and be able to make it suit them easily instead of them using GNOME and installing extensions (No, most people dont like the gnome workflow) which will break every update. I think KDE does what it says - Simple by default, powerful when needed. I don't think it would be that confusing for a new user and even when you need to find some setting, just google it and there'll be someone telling you what menus you need to go to to configure it. With that in mind though, for users that don’t install Linux themselves but you install for them like mom or whoever, it’s a good choice. It’s pretty simple and it’s hard to break anything by clicking stuff. For those users you have to install a dock and enable minimise buttons.

@ErikN1 2 ай бұрын

So you’re telling us that Plasma is now stable? Great! I’ve had so many issues with Plasma in the past that I just stopped trying to use it. Gnome has it’s issues though so I’ll give it another try.

@Eyuphuro 10 ай бұрын

I was going to suggest my setup which is a mix of Xfcewm, Xfce panels, Xfce session and slick greeter for the DE itself, while apps I got from the gnome ecosystem, because I like them more. But Xfcewm still uses X11, no big deal for me, it might be for you, nonetheless I would suggest you to give it a try. Plus, Xfcewm is migrating to Wayland. I never played any game on it so I don't know how that will be for you.

@gentleman_oni 10 ай бұрын

Gnome is *really* good, but there are some things that made me return to KDE rather quickly: 1. the MASSIVE headerbars that make me think Gnome devs use vertical monitors, exclusively. Even when the window only needs a title bar (e.g.:games) , gnome wastes so much vertical space on it. 2. It's so much easier to apply themes on kde (so I can apply KvLibAdwaita to them, so qt apps match gtk apps) 3. I was starting to have some input issues on games, because for some reason, I can't press both mouse buttons and the spacebar at the same time (maybe it was just a bug, or only happened to me)

@QDSGames 10 ай бұрын

Agreed. Let me add Dolphin to the list. I know, you can usw Dolphin with GNOME, but the integration in KDE is way better. GNOME hasn't had tray icons at all. Now they're back, but not for all applications. And I have to install less extensions for my workflow under KDE. I like GNOME but I love KDE.

@gentleman_oni 10 ай бұрын

@@QDSGames I love Dolphin. The split view function is so much better when you just want to move a selected bunch of files around. And it lets me create symlinks the easy way without having to fire up the terminal.

@samjiman 10 ай бұрын

I'm using KDE Plasma and it's great with Bismuth for tiling.

@CGA111 9 ай бұрын

I can't understand this constant criticism against Plasma regarding the number of settings and customization options. Every time I've tried Gnome it takes five minutes tops before I have my first but-what-if-i-want-to moment, digging around settings to finally realize it's not possible (except maybe with the help of an extension that will break with the next big update). Furthermore, Plasma settings has a very good search so you don't have to dig through every setting to find what you want.

@ardishco 10 ай бұрын

Next up on Michael Horn; "Why Sway is simply better"

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

Hah, that's not gonna happen anytime soon

@ardishco 10 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH I will be patiently waiting until then...Remember this comment, I will be there when you make a video about Sway lmao

@Rac3r4Life 10 ай бұрын

I absolutely love KDE Plasma! I used to be a GNOME user for many years just because Plasma was so buggy, but with the latest release they have all been worked out as far as I can tell. I've been using it as my daily DE since 5.27 was released.

@sadmansakibkhan8667 4 ай бұрын

Still using it?

@Rac3r4Life 4 ай бұрын

@@sadmansakibkhan8667 yep

@RenderingUser 7 ай бұрын

Every single kde application is overpowered beyond reason. Love it. Dolphin is an epic file manager. Kate is a whole ide.

@akeem2983 10 ай бұрын

KDE Plasma was the first full desktop environment that I used on linux, tried it around 3 years ago. I absolutely loved it, but back then it was extremely buggy, it almost felt like desktop falls apart. On many occasions Plasma just crashed. It seems like I need to try it again

@somemediocregamer 10 ай бұрын

I have been playing with hyprland on a separate install. It more complicated but one day I hope to get away from DEs all together if I can make it work for me... Although, Cosmic is shaping up to looking very promising.

@davidturcotte831 10 ай бұрын

DWM is the future and the past. DWM...oooh...DWM...becomeHypnotizedAndUseDWM...oooh...DWM.

@SilverSeleucid 10 ай бұрын

im the sameway but with i3, been using Cinnamon and xfce for years but now im a full time WM user. i dont even have a DE installed on my laptop anymore, i just keep Plasma on my desktop for gaming reasons

@MmntechCa 10 ай бұрын

For gaming, I guess this is the reason why Valve uses it for SteamOS. .

@aquaponieee 10 ай бұрын

both this and also because it is more familiar for windows users and is more compatible with the steam deck's form factor

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

I don't think that the form factor was a deciding factor, since Gnome works way better on touch devices. Even on smaller ones like the Steam Deck. Their reasoning was most likely just the default "Windows look" since it is recognizable

@BilatSlayer 10 ай бұрын

Nice! I also love kde. But i only have one problem, and that is the discover always breaks. Like in every distro that I've tried the discover always breaks on my pc lmao. But still love kde tho.

@aquaponieee 10 ай бұрын

i've had the opposite experience, gnome software breaks so much whilst discover is very stable

@TatharNuar 4 ай бұрын

1:57 These are the exact "features" of GNOME that make me not want to push my non-techy dad (who only ever used Windows) into using it. He would get so frustrated with the GNOME way of doing things, and once he found out he couldn't "change them back" he'd stop using it altogether.

@JoshuaT902 9 ай бұрын

I love kde activity. Its so much better than anything gnome has. Activity allows you to have a set of virtual desktops to be separate with different taskbar if you want. Swap between personal and work quickly. I can have as many virtual desktop I want and instantly switch to work that has their own set of virtual desktops plus having discord being shown on all my activities. btw activities is not virtual desktop that everyone compares to when talking about gnome.

@cameronmoore136 10 ай бұрын

He's building his own distro? :O

@phant0 Ай бұрын

The main reason why I prefer KDE Plasma is because it handles multiple displays better. Each monitor can have its own independent task bar, which is a huge benefit for me. I only wished they added invisible cursor boundaries at the corners of the screens though.

@denisvozian4791 10 ай бұрын

I'm tinkling to make the move to plasma as well.. just out of curiosity, did you still stick to Fedora?

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

Nope, I moved to Debian like I said in a previous video.

@Daniel-wn5ye 8 ай бұрын

I would move to Debian 12 if I were you!

@sandrodellisanti1139 7 ай бұрын

Ciao, i'm using KDE since Version 2 in the early 2000's, in 2003 i've used Gnome 2 for a while, but after Gnome 2 it was horrible for me, so Gnome right now is no option for me personally..i'm still waiting for KDE Plasma 6 in early 2024.. many greetings from brunswick in germany and please stay safe 🙃

@Mr.Thursday 10 ай бұрын

Good news! I wish you a luck on your adventure through KDE Plasma. So far, I managed to install Fedora 38 with Gnome on Surface Go tablet, and still have some problems with touch interface, as you mentioned the workflow is nice, but details like pin login screen or changing keyboard are just oldfashioned stubborn unsupported mess there. I tried Phosh, but it is way too basic and blunt in comparison to desktop Gnome... Now, I'm considering if either Plasma or Pantheon could offer to me any better touch experience when customized. Hope earlier or later you can cover for this subject as well. Thanks!

@QDSGames 10 ай бұрын

KDE isn't any good for touch displays I'm afraid. You can tweak it to an extent but it won't be a good experience.

@Mr.Thursday 9 ай бұрын

@@QDSGames Yeah, so far only Gnome, and to some extent Ubuntu have embraced touchables.

@VenRoot 9 ай бұрын

Actually, I installed KDE Plasma on Pop yesterday, because Gnome was acting up, like not using hardware acceleration. Every movement was slow and did up to 400% CPU Usage. After getting KDE Plasma to work, it only updated internal UI like the settings or the taskbar, when I moved my mouse. So if I type anything, it's not visible till my mouse is moved

@eastvalleycomputer 9 ай бұрын

bug zapper .... zapped! Next.

@user-lh7bu8se4c 4 ай бұрын

I've tried KDE many times, but I always come back to Gnome. Even after tweaking and themeing I always find it ugly, font rendering, padding and margins it's just...frustrating. Maybe i'll give a 8th chance one of these days ...but I find aesthetics important, and even though I now it's personal opinion. So far i haven't run into any issues with gnome to make me want to change. I'm looking forward to cosmic !

@GWFO 10 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie I was so tempted to go back to Garuda for kde , I miss the customization that Kde has 😭 I've always hated the way gnome looks but now I tolerate it,because the work flow of gnome is kind of nice tbh especially the gestures, but yeah Kde will always be my favorite, waiting for blend os kde ver to get updated so I can use it natively, atm I'm using Nobara but testing blend os

@milosorevic927 8 ай бұрын

Gnome looks so sleek though, with such a minimal amount of effort, as you well know since you also have a gnome extensions video. However, the customization options are extremely limiting, if you want a feature that doesn't have an extension for it. Even some stupid and simple things like changing mouse cursor to a custom one or having a volume mixer out of the box, system tray is also uselses. Idk man, I'll still use gnome for now. Kde needs work to make it look modern

@yogurtmilk3912 10 ай бұрын

Gnome feels a lot better in modern hardware and high refresh displays with the dynamic triple buffering MR, you can install it in fedora using the gnome-shell and mutter packages on the calcastor/gnome-patched copr repo. Maybe it fixs the weird feeling that you have when gaming. (Mostly because vsync latency is really not that bad on high refresh displays)

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

VSYNC itself is often not the issue, however the pipeline how it works is. Freesync is essentially nothing else (and doesn't lock framerate), yet is a lot faster

@theplaymakerno1 7 ай бұрын

Also, KDE Plasma is not good for multi-monitor setups. I am not sure which DE is best for that. I am going to try XFCE, as that has a scaling feature.

@gmcenroe 7 ай бұрын

I run KDE Plasma on Arch linux on my PC and have liked it, just don't mix desktops on the same machine because that creates problems. I recently installed Parallels on my M2 Macbook pro and installed Windows 11 Pro and then Ubuntu which comes with Gnome. I did not like Gnome as much, it has problems with X11 so I installed KDE Plasma desktop and it now works great. I also had problems with disappearing cursor on Gnome. Brave does not run on this setup though.

@kevingood2565 7 ай бұрын

I can't wait the video about "I'm Switching back to Gnome because..."

@gorrumKnight 10 ай бұрын

Honestly I have been digging Hyprland. Dynamic tiling + Wayland = gravy. And for customization you can either learn CSS or borrow others' dot files.

@onkelebert787 6 ай бұрын

I‘ve eaten some delicious ice cream yesterday.

@bellissimo4520 Ай бұрын

I used to be a KDE only user - about 10 years ago. Then I got pissed off with every new release having tons of bugs and glitches, the desktop generally often being unstable when doing things like large file transfers etc... and switched to Gnome systems ever since. But I've always missed the versatility and cool look of KDE. Seems like it may finally be time to go back.

@Virass 8 ай бұрын

Dude, I have a new ssd arriving tomorrow and I'm planning to change mine from 512gb to 2tb in my laptop, this is pushing me to choose 1. Transfer the system and stay use KDE plasma 2. Install new system and try gnome After this video, I decided to stay using KDE!

@Bunstonious 10 ай бұрын

One of the things that Gnome did that makes it absurd to use was the removal of the "system tray" paradigm which I think set it back significantly, in addition to the lack of a minimise it's just so unfamiliar. One of the things I think KDE has needed is a "RESET ALL" button for the UI and also some base elements to make it 'look' like other experiences (have a Windows XP look, Windows 10 look, Windows 11 look, OSX look and Gnome look) and maintain them as it would be super beneficial for people to be able to select the elements they're used to, and then base their own customisations based on those already established defaults. We can only dream I guess.

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

From what I've heard, Gnome removed the System Tray icons because it wasn't stable for Gnome 40 and Gnome, being Gnome ... the process takes an immense amount of time

@Bunstonious 10 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH yeah, it makes using some apps almost impossible lol

@adamstrickfaden1691 9 ай бұрын

Resetting is pretty easy, just rename all the config files in the .config folder in your home directory, log out and then log back in

@thepathnotfound 7 ай бұрын

ha! thx@@adamstrickfaden1691

@o03aTmE0o 2 ай бұрын

Been mainly a happy gnome user the last 2 years but damn I would lie to myself If I'm not a bit excited about KDE 6 and Cosmic DE

@Blueeeeeee 10 ай бұрын

I feel like Linux Mint's Cinnamon DE strikes an extraordinary balance between GNOME's simplicity and KDE's customization, and it's very stable as well !

@AroPix 10 ай бұрын

No Wayland support, so not a viable option :)

@folksurvival 10 ай бұрын

And MATE and XFCE are similar but more lightweight.

@folksurvival 10 ай бұрын

@@AroPixWayland support isn't a necessity.

@AroPix 10 ай бұрын

@@folksurvival Not if you want the best gaming experience on AMD ;)

@Blueeeeeee 10 ай бұрын

@@folksurvival I agree with MATE/XFCE being nice alternatives to Cinnamon, tho I have to say I've gotten really used to the niceties and polish of Cinnamon (eg. somewhat nice design, animations, touchpad gestures, online accounts) vs MATE (very lacking IMO) and XFCE (old school menus and somewhat dated UX even with custom theming) They're nice as lightweight alternatives tho, for sure

@MrOwenEaster Ай бұрын

I use Arch + KDE + NeoVim by the way. Really glad I got that off my chest.

@PicSta 8 ай бұрын

Hey Michael, nice video. Please create a video for KDE Plasma customization. I think of switching to Linux (forever) as I still use Windows along with Linux (Gnome). Thanks in advance and keep being so productive.

@MichaelNROH 8 ай бұрын

Hi. Would love to but I'm not sure how to be honest. Going over all the settings is probably a 2h job while no work has been done yet 😅

@PicSta 8 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNROH hmmm okay

@mrkrenek93 10 ай бұрын

3:03 - exactly, that was first thing that made me mad. How to get it to default.

@guilherme5094 10 ай бұрын

👍This is the way.

@Little-bird-told-me 9 ай бұрын

My issues with KDE : Slow startup apps, customisation can break things like the bottom panel, Why do they need virtual desktop (workspaces) and activity desktop at the same time? In tiling mode the windows disappear either behind the bottom panel or the or close button disappears front the frame. No good tiling options

@billv4987 10 ай бұрын

Starting your own distro? 😮

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

Sort of ...

@ChimeraX0401 10 ай бұрын

Of all the DEs I used, plasma is the one I stick with. I really like it since it is straight forward and simple in design. What I dont like about Gnome is that it seems like the work flow more aims at touchscreen devices, same mistake that Microsoft did in windows 8. Gnome just dont fit to my work flow, I dont really like workspaces and I pretty much think it is useless when you have multiple monitors since you can just move a window to a different monitors anyway simulating a workspace. I when I have to recommend someone a DE to a person that came from windows, I always recommend plasma since it's UI and feel is kinda simalar to windows so it is easy to get used to it....

@thepathnotfound 7 ай бұрын

Steam chose KDE for the steam deck, gnome is great but it seems like a kiosk operating system that you want locked down. I would use gnome for a new user like my grandma.

@ThomasMullaly 6 ай бұрын

I can't stand the clock in the middle in gnome, I switched to KDE this past year and I've been very happy with it.

@jgarbo3541 6 ай бұрын

What took you so long? I've been using Plasma years. Complex but the most flexible DE.

@MichaelNROH 6 ай бұрын

I just like Gnome and never saw a need to change

@zoey4284 8 ай бұрын

Xfce is personally my favorite, I prefer the look of gtk apps over qt but xfce is more customizable than gnome. hope for wayland support soon though.

@spaceiswater6539 10 ай бұрын

When I used KDE in the past it would not let me login sometimes and it happen to my friend as well and we were using different OS distributions of KDE. I just like how simple and stable Gnome is sometimes less is better.

@MichaelNROH 10 ай бұрын

I'm glad that they got rid of their old Login Screen. The old one had some bugs like switching the default keyboard layout.

@treyquattro 10 ай бұрын

I think GNOME might have the edge on a laptop, but I use KDE everywhere (KDE has a lot of problems on Fedora thanks to the high rate of changes, but I'm continuing to struggle along with it. The desktop idiom for GNOME, especially on Fedora, is just not very logical IMHO)