I really tried to like NieR:Automata

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MertKayKay

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00:00 Introduction
05:22 I NieRly liked this game!
10:19 Visual… Design?
19:23 To Save or not to Save
26:06 Waste my Time
31:14 Anime Bullshit
39:16 The “Philosophy”
47:41 Someone save 2B

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@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
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@aisnota5192
@aisnota5192 Жыл бұрын
If you thought THIS was BAD. You haven't seen anything until you experience Drakengard (aka NEON GENESIS EVANGELION: THE VIDEO GAME) and Nier.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's time to try it >:)
@aisnota5192
@aisnota5192 Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay Prepare for pain then. Lots. And lots.... of pain.
@felipebisi4145
@felipebisi4145 Жыл бұрын
I agreeded i mean Nier Automata is like Darkest Dungeon is to Fear and Hunger The dark stuff is there on DD but Fear and Hunger goes way deeper in the dark stuff While the first nier is a tragic, Drakengard is a tragedy
@Ubermensch9240
@Ubermensch9240 8 ай бұрын
@@MertKayKay Please don't. They were deliberately made to be the opposite of fun.
@gilbertlopez2333
@gilbertlopez2333 10 ай бұрын
Never understood how someone could skip cutscenes. I got one friend who skips every cut scene in ever game lol and it drives me insane
@glitchxedfix134
@glitchxedfix134 7 ай бұрын
Right?!🤣literally almost had arguments break out because how is someone gonna skip the cutscenes then ask me what's going on in the game
@zafraan3038
@zafraan3038 7 ай бұрын
used to do that as a kid coz i get only 30 mins and i wanted to play.
@brucey5585
@brucey5585 6 ай бұрын
I do it in street fighter.😂 i just want to fight.
@dungeonsanddobbers2683
@dungeonsanddobbers2683 5 ай бұрын
Used to skip all the cutscenes when I was younger because I wanted to play the game, not watch a movie. Stopped doing it in my late teens because I wanted to experience the story (also because stories in games actually got _good_ enough to pay attention to), and now I'm pushing 40 I wish more cut scenes were skippable (especially on a second playthrough) because I don't have the time or patience to sit through 8 hours of cutscenes interspersed with a few minutes of gameplay here and there before a game will let me actually play the game.
@saikimayu
@saikimayu 5 ай бұрын
It's the same people who's idea of watching a movie is to have it playing while doing something else entirely.
@jaron95
@jaron95 Жыл бұрын
I'm a little confused about the entire section of this review that's dedicated to discussing auto-saves, considering when you select "New Game" it tells you *"This game does not support auto-save"* and you have to acknowledge the warning to start playing. I never thought of the boss battle checkpoints as auto-saves.
@SageofStars
@SageofStars Жыл бұрын
I think the complaint is that it does SAVE, so if you screw up, you can't just go back to an earlier world state to try again, there are consequences for the failure, in that your body has all the chips on it, and you have to go get them back. That said, in Route C, this is no longer the case, and if you die, you die, same as with the Prologue, and for the same reason, the Bunker can't get to you, so if you die there, the 2B/9S you're playing as ends.
@lenajohnson6179
@lenajohnson6179 Жыл бұрын
In the... 'defense?' of 2B and the Themian Paradox... Yoko Toro DID 'just tell us' xD. His response as to why 2B was as she is when directly questioned was a bluntly honest 'I just really like girls' IDK if that's BETTER or worse honestly... but it is an unusually honest response.
@DeaDiabola
@DeaDiabola Жыл бұрын
I know my opinion will be unpopular - but I thought that was hilarious. The mans has a very silly sense of humor. He's an odd bird, for sure.
@custardgannet4836
@custardgannet4836 Жыл бұрын
Well it's better than Kojima's reasoning for Quiet in MGS V.
@lenajohnson6179
@lenajohnson6179 Жыл бұрын
@@DeaDiabola I think I prefer the honestly really... I don't personally actually have any qualms with people like... having sex drives. It's oddly American to be overly 'worried' about people finding attractive things attractive. I feel like the urge to HIDE it probably is worse and potentially leads to problematic psychology more than just being honest about stuff
@soulsearcher9620
@soulsearcher9620 Жыл бұрын
​@@lenajohnson6179 if you're not ashamed about your interests and aren't trying to make excuses for having a sexy character, yeah I'd say that's better. If someone wants to make a sexy character then they can. It helps when they also have good writing around them though, that's always a positive.
@DreamsofFourthWorld
@DreamsofFourthWorld Жыл бұрын
Although I agree that being honest in this regard is better than being disingenuous about one's sex drive, its this very fact that kind of makes me more upset about the story telling and the game it self. Because its trying to appeal to the 'being real' angle while also turning around and trying to pontificate about philosophers and existentialism and shit, not that a story (or a person) can't have both but Nier Automata doesn't integrate their sexualization with their philosophy or at the very least they are incongruent to each other, they attempt to have philosophy with a somber and self serious plot line and then also attempt to act like a horny teenager but are being 'real' about it. I just wish they kind of picked a lane, or made it so there was more synchronicity between the two. I think more so than any story beats, its a tone thing for me. The world is bleak, the story is bleak, the characters are bleak and sad, and it just feels wrong to sexualize a character in this context and it makes me ask if the audience is suppose to be existential and sad OR if they are suppose to be horny... I think its both? I guess? p.s. something about this game makes me rant, I apologize, but I tried really hard to like the game too (but I really didn't)
@KingRidley
@KingRidley Жыл бұрын
I think one issue with automata is that, with games from this franchise/developer, people really don't want to reveal spoilers. But they love the games and want other people to play it. So you've got a bunch of people playing the kind of game they won't actually enjoy because they don't know anything specific about it, but everyone says it's incredible. And yeah, it's incredible, to people who like this kind of game. I love the hell out of it but I'm careful recommending it to other people. You really don't want to spoil ~anything~ in a game that people have to play twice before they start to see the really cool shit.
@maxentirunos
@maxentirunos Жыл бұрын
It's exactly the same with games from the SoulsBorne series that are only marketed for being 'Hard' when there is in fact much more reasons to like or not these games than being hard.
@zato-1766
@zato-1766 Жыл бұрын
Yea I'm gonna be honest I didn't have the patience to play through the same areas of the game for another 8 hours just to progress the story. Idk who thought that hard programming in essentially losing your save file half way through the game was a good gameplay mechanic but I was not here for it lol.
@greatrulo
@greatrulo Жыл бұрын
Sorry but there's not really anything to spoil here, to anyone that has consumed any of the media this videogame copies to a letter, like Bladerunner, 1984, hell even Ghost in the Shell or Akira, this game is not very good at anything besides being a kinda decent but not better than the source, amalgamation of, well its source materials. Fun for anyone without a background in any Cyberpunk art whatsoever, but still pretty average story wise, only in music and maybe gameplay is it more than decent. A game that does everything better and also copies a variety of sources but actually uses them as central parts of its story without looking like a sticker album, is Signalis, play that game, it'll be good for your soul.
@faeb.9618
@faeb.9618 11 ай бұрын
late here but how would you actually describe the nier automata story and gameplay? i'm one of those people that has been incredibly curious about it, but the adhd makes it REALLY hard to stick to games unless im 100% invested and i don't exactly have the spare funds to see if it'll catch me. even persona 5 as much as i love it is a game i struggle to play through without long amounts of time in between play sessions :/
@AnimeRenegade
@AnimeRenegade 11 ай бұрын
​@@greatruloit is one of the only videogames that does deconstruction well at all. It is also one of the only video games that tries to do philosophy instead of just referencing ideas. I think that is what makes it unique in the space.
@dantevalehuntik28
@dantevalehuntik28 Жыл бұрын
"if you hated it so much why did you play it three times??!!" It's called journalistic integrity, Steve
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
DAMN RIGHT
@zedhead90
@zedhead90 Жыл бұрын
I’ve played a great deal of games that get heaps of praise that I didn’t really enjoy. I say this because the same is said of randos on the internet. For one, games are expensive. That alone is reason enough for me to give games, especially ones bought at full price, more chances than I should. For another, I’ve played a decent amount of games that took time to click with me. You also almost feel like you’re obliged to when everyone’s fawning over a game. You get the impression that if you’re like the only person who doesn’t think the game’s a 10/10, you must be the one who is missing something, and maybe if you get further, you’ll see what everyone else sees and fall equally in love with it.
@bestgrill9647
@bestgrill9647 Жыл бұрын
She clearly didn't tho. She hasn't finished the second part of the game probably. I mean, it's clear that she talks about the plot from the perspective of someone who hasn't played the three endings. She thinks there is an A2 playthrough story part... or the whole "why they teach emotions" part. Basically more than half of the video makes sense only to her because she hasn't finished the game. She could have just gone "I dropped the game because it's boring" but she says nosense stuff to make a large essay... Idk.
@looc_96
@looc_96 Жыл бұрын
@@bestgrill9647 ....and this is the reason why people feel the need to get all the endings and trophies for a game they don't like. As if spending hours, completing at least 2 playthroughs somehow means their opinion is invalid. If a game can't draw you in after 2 playthroughs, you probably aren't going to at all. I like NieR, I've played it multiple times and still agree with all the points made in this video. But, I can separate the fact that I don't care about the design not being amazing and can easily not indulge in sleezy old man behaviour and so am still able to enjoy the game, but it would take a lot more effort for others to get over and are under no obligation to do so just because I could.
@bestgrill9647
@bestgrill9647 Жыл бұрын
@@looc_96 Okay, you feel the need to 100% your games because I post criticism of poorly made videoessays on YT. Makes sense. Dude, I haven't written anywhere that "feeling that the game is boring and quitting" is bad. I've just said that half of this videoessay is BS because she brings up points which makes no sense to anyone who has finished the game. The game replies to her arguments by itself, but she hasn't played the parts in which it does. she makes no sense for 20 minutes straight. Simply don't make "detailed" videoessays on YT of something you don't know about (or do it if you don't care about quality). Just say "I've quitted it's boring lol" or whatever.
@paperl9328
@paperl9328 11 ай бұрын
I love the sad but beautiful ruined desolate world… the slow empathy I built for the robots…. The combat really fit my tastes and experience personally
@__BlacklotuS__
@__BlacklotuS__ 2 ай бұрын
it is based after the apocalypse so it would be desolate lol
@Bogustice
@Bogustice Жыл бұрын
You said something about 2b getting all emotional about 9s about to die despite only knowing him for 10 minutes. That's not the case. She's trying not to get attached to him because she constantly keep having to kill him over and over. She cares for him ALOT but she's trying not to because the same thing always happens. He ends up being too curious and finds out yorha secret and she kills him. She's tired of having to kill the person she cares about.
@deschain1910
@deschain1910 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I couldn't really tell from watching this video if MertKayKay knows this and is just narrating her (and other people's) feelings when they first see the scene, or if she never actually learned the story. Because there are other lines in the video that suggested she knew about the repeating nature of the narrative. So I don't know.
@Bogustice
@Bogustice Жыл бұрын
@Deschain19 it really don't seem like she learned the story. After she said she usually skip cutscenes I kinda didn't give anything she said much merit. She was more focused on how the robots, backgrounds and 2b attire looked.
@NickStrife
@NickStrife Жыл бұрын
​@@Bogustice Exactly... And most likely her hair color has to do with her shallow review. It is just that these people tend to have a certain hair color like pink, green or blue...
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
My hair is plat blonde, it just looks purple in the light
@DeathstrokeFGC
@DeathstrokeFGC Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay but can you respond to the comment that actually took time and knowledge to write that contradicts one of your points in the video or nah?
@happystrykr
@happystrykr Жыл бұрын
I feel that not looking at side content for the series makes sense. Unfortunately with how far Yoko Taro went out of his way to explain things in the major games within the confines of “dlc” does do a disservice to series as a whole. For instance, “Emotions are prohibited” is 2B’s personal mantra because of the number of times she’s killed 9S over and over, hoping that as long as she keeps herself from feeling anything for him means that one day it won’t feel like anything as she continuously does it. Obviously it doesn’t work, hence the clenched fist when he explains in the prologue that he doesn’t remember who she is because he didn’t have time to upload BOTH of their memories to the bunker, making him “forget her.” But you don’t know any of these things, in fact the game makes you think they met in the prologue even though she’s already killed dozens of Nines by the time the game starts. There’s so much non-game content that explains every single the characters do in the game that you’ll never understand unless you find the time to do deep dives on the weekends and looking at the KZfaq creators who compile the information like EruptionFang, or Mr. Clemps, and even ValkyrieAurora has retired from exhaustion for her own mental health after making so many videos. I feel that the DrakeNier series is catered to a very specific niche, which is an accurate series. Unfortunately, you just don’t fit the niche, which sucks, but hey can’t be helped y’know? All of your points are well-made. I disagree with a couple only because I’ve been hyper fixated on this series since 2018. But its all about personal taste, and also downtime. As for your thoughts on Yoko Taro, just wait until you hear about the characters of Drakengard 1. Yoko Taro has a creative, yet disturbing mind.
@specialnewb9821
@specialnewb9821 5 ай бұрын
A game can be very good but not for you. And that's totally fine.
@christianotto5553
@christianotto5553 Жыл бұрын
The aliens were absolutely not a red herring. Them being killed by their own creation was unbeknownst to Commander White. YoRHa units have emotions and character quirks because they are designed from a human template, they're not just AI. Most notably, A2 has Kainé's memories and characteristics. Also, 2B's designer, not Yoko, specifically avoided enlarging her chest area and emphasize her bottom half. Think what you will of her design, but there is meaning beyond just cosplayability. Lastly, the machine lifeforms don't need to have complex movesets. The point is that they are indeed very limited compared to the androids. Sure, fighting them can become a bit auto-piloty, but this game isn't supposed to be Ninja Gaiden with androids. It's about the story and philosophical questions. It's totally fine if you don't like the game, I just feel you unfairly brushed many aspects aside as "just self-indulgent".
@thedarklordx
@thedarklordx Жыл бұрын
Ninja Garden with androids sounds like a cool game
@christianotto5553
@christianotto5553 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much Metal Gear Rising. (^_^)
@TenderNoodle
@TenderNoodle Жыл бұрын
Emphasizing 2bs ass instead of her boobs doesn’t change the eye-candy focused design of her character lol. It’s a good design unlike other sexualized game characters but that doesn’t change its intentions.
@luisapaza317
@luisapaza317 Жыл бұрын
I don't know anymore what you guys want to end up implying. I think it is sincerely respectable that you like and love the game. But for the sake of the medium and also for the sake of public thinking, it seems to me that we have to be critical. The philosophy of this game is not much more than a hoax. It is very vague and condescending, lacking in nuance, very unintelligent.
@profilore
@profilore Жыл бұрын
@@luisapaza317 it's understated is what it is. Which is the best part, for me personally. If you keep digging into it and really think, the themes come more and more alive. But you don't actually need to, because the game delvers its overall message very well through gameplay and music alone, even if you never look any deeper. I honestly have no idea where you got condescending from.
@adamloprete8324
@adamloprete8324 2 ай бұрын
I think some of these complaints about Nier are some of the most pedantic shit I've ever read.
@brandonhollar2990
@brandonhollar2990 Жыл бұрын
Nier Automata is a very special game to me personally and helped me get through a tough time in my life,very sorry you couldn't get into it and I love your vids especially the silence of the lambs and calling out bloober teams writing and storytelling
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww I'm really glad it was so special to you Brandon! :D Means a lot to know you found something worthwhile there. I totally understand - and thanks!
@ddjsoyenby
@ddjsoyenby Жыл бұрын
yeah even when i disagree or it's a game i like she delivers great content.
@boltslibrary7491
@boltslibrary7491 Жыл бұрын
When you get to the end, the 'The End of Yorha' ending, just the people saying "I was just like you, DONT GIVE UP!" and other bits of encouragement, it just feels good. The idea that the game itself not only the characters in game, but other players are telling you to never give up and keep pushing through, even though it may be hard, you can still push through, even when the weight of the world is pushing down on you, you have people who will be there to help you. That's what I took away, anyway I'm happy you have a connection to it!
@librarian4life
@librarian4life Жыл бұрын
​​@@MertKayKay if you don't have a firm grasp on a subject, as you openly admit, perhaps it is not a project worthy of your critique and effort. Academically, within the study of philosophy, it is required one either does the required research and appeal to the historicism surrounding a given subject, or leave a given matter as it is. You dont understand the various nuances of philosophy. You have said as much, yourself, in this video. Aesthetics is the philosophical sub-discipline under which criticism falls. However, you are not appealing to the historicism and contemporary theoretical methods of critical analysis which it entails. So. your content would be described as 'entertainment' by academic standards. Not trying to be shady, these are simply facts of the matter. It is your right to express your opinions. But know there is a deeply philosophical problem in describing the phenomenology of a given artform or media without having delved a bit deeper into its subject matter. Best wishes. Hope you'll take a chance and study aesthetics. It is really fun, if you can manage the dense texts. Your reviews would only be all the more refined by what you might learn. I honestly hope this doesnt seem too harsh. My intention is not to make you feel bad.
@CurrentlyDyinq
@CurrentlyDyinq Жыл бұрын
@@librarian4life I could read lines of your texts for days. You type so eloquently.
@cottonflamingo6585
@cottonflamingo6585 Жыл бұрын
I just really quickly wanted to say the point of the ending is not the fact that you are sacrificing your data to save the world the point is that you are doing it to help another player. From a purely mechanical standpoint you are unable to do it without online turned on ( I know I was unable to do it the first time around). And also the reason why the ending felt do emotional to me and so many other people is because it is your choice to help another person out there by sacrificing your data. I could go into more detail why I personally think this is a great game as well as give my counter argument to your other points but I don't think anybody is going to read this so yeah ...
@greatrulo
@greatrulo Жыл бұрын
Yeah.
@qwandary
@qwandary 11 ай бұрын
I don't know enough about this game to understand how removing your data impacts another player. Wouldn't mind hearing it.
@cottonflamingo6585
@cottonflamingo6585 11 ай бұрын
@@qwandary I honestly recommend just watching a playthrough or playing it yourself as explaining everything might be kinda confusing and I think the game is worth playing.But basically in ending e you basically fight the end credits in a plane mini game and as time goes on and you keep losing you get a message that somebody wants to help you and then you get this swarm of planes helping you and basically by sacrificing your data you also become one of those planes and some person receives that plane to help them the way others helped you.
@greatrulo
@greatrulo 11 ай бұрын
@@qwandary it's just a very poorly implemented gimmick where you lose your save file in order to watch the true ending but it doesn't matter because by the time you finish this, you'll be 50-80 hours in and wondering why it didnt end 60 hours ago. 😅
@cottonflamingo6585
@cottonflamingo6585 11 ай бұрын
@@greatrulo you can actually view ending e without sacrificing your save data
@MoonlitCinders
@MoonlitCinders Жыл бұрын
The only points I WILL make in defense of the last section are A: Automata isn't trying to be tongue in cheek about 2B. There's no actual justification. Yoko Taro openly admitted that her design was sexualized bc he likes ass. It doesn't EXCUSE the perversion, but he isn't trying to like. Make it nuanced or be tongue in cheek. It's just supposed to be inexcusable eye candy. The FANDOM tries to excuse it. And B: 9s does lose his pants. I blew him up in the desert and he lost his pants. I fought an orgy of robots and the children conceived as a result with nothing but an overcoat, socks, and Fruit of the Loom skintight bootybriefs on.
@rain4825
@rain4825 Жыл бұрын
It would have been more noticeable if he hat a T back leotard as well. If you give the audience some jailbait shota eyecandy, might as well go full on degenerate and own up to it.
@MoonlitCinders
@MoonlitCinders Жыл бұрын
@@_Xds_ when did I say it NEEDED a justification? That's what I'm saying is annoying. Fans are constantly trying to make stupid justifications for why 2B has a fat ass and trying to pretend she isn't just meant to be eye candy. When the creator has come out and stated she's JUST supposed to be perverted eye candy. Because he has a thing for ass.
@eauxkei702
@eauxkei702 Жыл бұрын
@@_Xds_ As a former animator, this is a ridiculous comment lol. Of course it matters.
@mr.stuffdoer8483
@mr.stuffdoer8483 11 ай бұрын
You literally get an achievement for playing 9S after self-destructing
@Erick8427
@Erick8427 4 ай бұрын
@@rain4825 "uhhh degenerate, i dont like it", well, what a shame, still, i dont think it is cool to tell someone to be even more degenerate to fullfil what you think a degenerate would be, just to hate this type of person even more after.
@shihoblade
@shihoblade Жыл бұрын
Your suggestion that 2B be blind to the robot's humanity was already done in the 1st Nier. This game was focused on the android's denial of the robots' humanity. So it was important that the Main characters SEE the humanity but turn a blind eye to it to avoid questioning their own humanity. Plus anyone who has played the first game would already be in the know that the faceless creatures being killed in large numbers were likely sentient so it would be a waste of a reveal to be subtle about it.
@darkhobo
@darkhobo 7 ай бұрын
A super simple metaphor that went WAY over their head.
@Vin50000
@Vin50000 Жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of the reasoning in this video are back explaining from conclusions youve already made. "the fact that robots are acting human is so obvious", hence bad, its like yeah, because the point is about why is 2b ignoring it when its so explicit and the fact that the robots are emulating what they've seen further murkies the water. Still, its not trying to be a reveal nor would it be more interesting for it.
@kit3505
@kit3505 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think the only story moment that was really meant to be a big reveal was that 2B is really 2E. The obvious dissonance between the characters explanations and what the player is seeing was the point. Another example is the "Emotions are prohibited" line from 2B. As was said in the video, every other android you meet obviously shows emotion and no one cares. The point being to nudge the player and make them wonder why 2B is specifically trying to emotionally distance herself from 9S.
@LotteMcCutcheon
@LotteMcCutcheon Жыл бұрын
Nier autoglass repair autoglass replace had me absolutely cackling
@erliLila
@erliLila Жыл бұрын
I've been willing to forgive its faults for some incredible moments. The "Amnesia" sidequest, the beginning of route C, the general chilling feeling of the post-apocalyptic world, the mystery of Yorha, the Amusement Park and its music and the ending. I think its "philosophy" isn't meant to say that "wow robots are alive what does it mean to be alive what makes u different" and all that shit. I think it's a curveball for the real meaning. Not to sound edgy referencing Nietzche, but the game clearly does. "God is dead", and without God (a universal meaning) there is no purpose. The humans are God, and dhe androids are us. Humans are dead (we stopped believing in God) and Androids are left with nothing to purpose to continue (Nihilism). In the final ending, they get a chance to break free from the shackles and find their own meaning and reason to exist. To become "übermench" , which the robots in the factory kept chanting that word all over again during the religious segment. It's kind of confusing at first but when you stop to think on what it means and how absolutely well done this metaphor is, you can't help but smile. And of course, 2B's ass.. But other than that, I also found the game annoying at times. It has some very bad design choices. I'd say it isn't a good/fun videogame. But a great piece of interactive fiction.
@saulcraft200
@saulcraft200 11 ай бұрын
The bosses are literally named after Marx, engels and Hegels, there is ZERO philosophical value in this garbage.
@inxe8
@inxe8 10 ай бұрын
@@saulcraft200 Seems to me you can't get past your own ideological biases. Sadly common these days, but there you go. Everything Yoko Taro has made since 2003 is based on empathy with the plight of characters trapped within fictional constructs, and specifically given free agency how would, and could they react to this "reality". Caim in Drakengard was a psychopath because that's a rational response to a world where mass murder is only form of interaction and the currency of achievement. Automata is the culmination of years of meta-fictional exploration of this theme where every element is the product of consideration and consequence of this core concept.
@saulcraft200
@saulcraft200 10 ай бұрын
@@inxe8 There's no ideological backbone to my statement. If you had any reading comprehension you'd understand that what I meant was that the game lacks any subtlety and name drops concepts and people that the writer doesn't have an understanding of to appear deep. Your point about characters dealing with the existential realization that their world is based on a lie also doesn't make sense. The 3 plot twist that happen over the course of the game don't change anything. The aliens were dead all along, they just keep fighting the robots. Humanity was extinct, the androids just continue to kill robots. The robots had a convoluted and braindead plan to evolve by fighting adroids, guess we'll just keep fighting the robots. The only change in the world that happens at all is that the robots kill everyone except 9s and 1a, just to shoehorn an unengaging revenge plot. I'm not even gonna get into the whole AI ethics theme throughout the game, the exploration of it was about as competent as Detroit:BH, so not at all.
@inxe8
@inxe8 10 ай бұрын
@@saulcraft200 You clearly weren't paying attention because throughout its made clear that the machines are simply aping human behaviours and philosophies without understanding any part of them. This should be obvious given how we see them copying human biological functions and social structures blindly. Without that basic insight how do you think they are going to handle human politics and philosophy? Taking umbrage at the usage of the names of philosophical figures makes no sense when its clearly defined as being purely aesthetic both diegetically and as a game design element. What's worse is that you seemingly fail to understand the things you see as "plot twists" aren't that because they are all part of an established storyline. Its a sequel to a 2010 game the main plot point of which is the extinction of humanity inadvertently at the hands of the player/protagonist. Similarly, the humanity of things that appear superficially inhuman is the core message of that game. That they aren't treated as major revelations in Automata is because they are already canon! Yoko is far more interested in what it takes to break the ideoilogical cycles that these characters find themselves in. The philosophical question posed by 2B at the outset is whether she will ever have the opportunity to kill God. A Chekov's gun that gets fire in the final ending where we -the players- are encouraged to collectively defeat the credit roll.
@saulcraft200
@saulcraft200 10 ай бұрын
@@inxe8 @inxe8 I pointed out that I didn't want to derail into a discussion of AI in automata, but whatever. It's done incredibly poorly and has been done to death. Why are the robots copying human behavior? According to the ending it's because the machines ,who are already superior in intellect to humanity, wanted to evolve by copying humanity... uh huh. Second point. If the intent is to show that the machines are getting into philosophy it just further shows how the writer had no clue what he was getting into. It ignores the continuity of western philosophy. How do the machines understand dialectic materialism and Marxism if they haven't even explored the core axioms of logic? The themes of the game also don't delve into anything those three philosophers wrote, so what's the point of even having them? Another thing is religion. The machines have 0 inclinations of any elder worship, shamanism or animism, their religious beliefs instantly go to orthodox Abrahamic beliefs because all of this is just done for aesthetics, the writer clearly included these aspects of pop philosophy/religion because he thought they sounded cool. So I guess the game's story falls on it's head without the context of the previous games, even though the developer said that they didn't need to be played to understand the story. Nothing takes to break the ideological cycles in the game, they see something that flips their worldview on it's head and they just keep killing robots. It took their entire base getting blown for them to go "maybe we shouldn't just kill robots" and then they do what? They keep killing robots.
@symela_foster
@symela_foster 10 ай бұрын
the game doesn't think it's subtle about the philosophical references... it's very on the nose, taking certain propositions to their logical ends and poking fun at them or exploring them in a very literal way. I get the game may not be for you and that's perfectly fine but it feels to me like there's many points that went over your head. and well that's also fine, but some criticisms seem really out of place to me
@iRagePenguin
@iRagePenguin Жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest, this game is what got me out of the worst spiral of depression in my life, and is probably what saved my life. Tho I’ll just have to agree to disagree with you on a lot things you said, since I got a completely different experience out of it. I will say that there a lot of things about it that aren’t for everyone, but to me personally, I absolutely love it.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww I'm really glad it helped you so much Booker! :D
@moonmessiah9368
@moonmessiah9368 Жыл бұрын
I gave her a chance but ya by the end i had completely lost faith. Shes missing alot of information.
@vicentegeonix
@vicentegeonix 6 ай бұрын
​@@moonmessiah9368who?
@sayftarek9326
@sayftarek9326 5 ай бұрын
This pile of garbage is what made you get out of “the worst spiral of depression of your life”? Damn
@wanbon
@wanbon Жыл бұрын
Admittedly, unless you have a background degree in Yoko Taro's whacky story universe, Automata can be pretty strange as a storytelling device. But it would be wildly unfair to demand everyone to absorb Drakengards 1+2, Nier and Re: Incarnation, and a number of light novels, plays, manga, and aaaaaaAAAAA in order to "get it". I'm glad you gave it a shot. Also re: the 2Booty - if I remember correctly, Yoko Taro *isn't* the booty lover - the character modeller who actually made her model did. If this tells you anything about Yoko Taro's personality, the man once physically hid in a locker because of threats he got from Drakengard Ending E. He also frustratedly explained in an interview that one of his characters are just gay, and didn't shy away from it. He's an odd duck, but he's generally a well meaning fella.
@elisehalflight
@elisehalflight Жыл бұрын
He also gave us one of the best representations of a trans / intersex character i've seen in videogames, and for that i really admire the way he sticks to just making what he likes
@thew00dsman79
@thew00dsman79 Жыл бұрын
Well Drakengard 2 isn’t actually canon to the timeline, Drakengard 3 is; since Taro didn’t work on Drakengard 2
@chrisdiokno5600
@chrisdiokno5600 Жыл бұрын
​@@elisehalflight wait really?
@SariniyaKiyu
@SariniyaKiyu Жыл бұрын
@@chrisdiokno5600 Im pretty sure they speak of Kaine from the first Nier.
@chrisdiokno5600
@chrisdiokno5600 Жыл бұрын
@@SariniyaKiyu Ah
@Sleepingdogs94
@Sleepingdogs94 Жыл бұрын
If anything the ost is a banger 😭 one of my favourite gaming soundtrack of all time
@officeimpact6377
@officeimpact6377 Жыл бұрын
It's decent
@markkump9344
@markkump9344 4 ай бұрын
​@@officeimpact6377i think it lacks diversity
@cosmicprison9819
@cosmicprison9819 Жыл бұрын
“Slowly parkouring around…” Faith Connors from Mirror’s Edge feels offended.
@Zanickka
@Zanickka Жыл бұрын
Not for nothing but the way you described 2B's constant booty shots and the way the game tries very hard to make the player feel okay for looking made me think of Pop Culture Detective's 'Born Sexy Yesterday' vid. The idea of 'the perfect woman' who doesn't mind being sexualised because she's unaware/unable to care/culturally different/too innocent to know better/etc, in this case exemplified by 2B's emotional repression schtick. Never played NieR myself but it is fascinating to see that trope apparently popping up here.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
That's an extremely apt comparison - I remember watching that video years ago! There's a certain ignorance to 2B that I think falls into that category so much, like we're taking advantage of her inability to understand fetishisation
@Necrophadez
@Necrophadez Жыл бұрын
Born Sexy Yesterday is my favourite video of Pop Culture Detective's. He put to words what I felt growing up.
@elyaequestus1409
@elyaequestus1409 Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay I believe that there is an in-universe reason why 2B dresses more revealing manner. It requires reading a bit between the lines. Though I am gay as caberet, I personally would prefer it if she was given a pair of shorts and that the booty shots would calm down. Either calm down or actually actively tie it into the plot.
@ivanlagayacrus1891
@ivanlagayacrus1891 Жыл бұрын
@@PixelHeroViish as with a lot of discussions like this, its a doyalist and a watsonian perspective being unable to understand each other. you're defending it from a watsonian "in story" perspective, where the story can justify itself. most people here are talking in a doyalist "authorial intent" perspective, where they gave her a nice ass because sex sells
@rarmbruster3268
@rarmbruster3268 Жыл бұрын
I really don’t know how you can not appreciate this game. It is one of a kind. I never played a game with so many different game types in one title. The store is such a mind fuck as you play the game to find out that nothing is what it seems. The music was something to say that it was a story of it own . Yeah I can see if you are not in to this type of game but you have to give it to this game because it something different than ever other game in world with so many same things with different skins out there
@MARCVS_AVRELIVS
@MARCVS_AVRELIVS Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. It's clear that you've made an honest effort to try something and persevering to the end in spite of it not bringing you much personal enjoyment. However, I must acknowledge that there were several points you made that suggested you pedantically focused your critique on the inclusion of the overused tropes and the trademark «weirdness» typical of Nier, and in doing so, accidentally missed the key themes under the surface. For instance, the reveal of the true names of the bosses in your playthrough as 9S is not something done arbitrarily. Rather, it can be interpreted that 9S is driven to discover their names due to his curiosity and enhanced scanning abilities. Furthermore, showing names of certain philosophers during a second helps you contextualise and understand themes that you may have missed in your first run: The goliath class machines being named Engels and Marx makes sense as they are large factory units (means of production). This exemplifies Automata's parallels to WW2 (taking place in a year ending with -45, pearl harbour descent mission) and makes it all the more interesting what the true will of Yorha really is when you consider the flight unit has the same designation as a ww2 advanced nazi bomber (ho229), the helmets with in the second half of the game look eerily similar to german stahlhelms, and they have a distinctive salute with accompanying greeting («glory to mankind»). With that context, the main conflict can be seen as being between Fascism and Communism/Marxism. This framing can be viewed as foreshadowing later events as well as the true faces hidden behind Yorha and the machine network. The real life Simone (Beauvoir) advocated for women to determine their self-worth not by their attractiveness to men, but by their own virtues. The machine Simone showed us what happens when we dedicate our existence to please the gaze of a potential love interest: rejection, followed by madness and a sense of meaninglessness. The two final bosses in the Tower (Ko-shi and Ro-shi) have the Japanese names of Confucius and Laozi, founders of the philosophies of Confucianism and Taoism, respectively. Those two machines later fuse together to form a Yin-Yang: a symbol depicting the harmony between the female Yin and make Yang. It's interesting how the female A2 fights the Yin Confucius machine. Confucianism values ideas of loyalty, honour and conscientiousness-in contrast to A2's defection and overall apathetic, free-spirited personality. The male android-9S-gets to fight the Yang Laozi machine. Unsurprisingly, there's another philosophical contrast here. The destructive, misguided, and impulsive revenge quest 9S has embarked on is at odds with Laozi's Taoist philosophy of peaceful harmonic living, non-interventionism in nature, and taking the calm approach to situations. These opposites facing each other and synthesising both physically as well as metaphorically is further demonstrated by the appropriately named track that plays in the background, «Bipolar Nightmare», where the melody keeps shifting back and forth from a darker, more aggressive tone with powerful brass instruments and rapid strings to a lighter one, with the choir vocalising the same hauntingly beautiful motif present in «Vague Hope» while a piano taps along in a high octave. I hope my little wall of text piqued your curiousity in the subtle themes buried beneath the surface of Nier. The game is quite short and has a low budget but is rifled with interesting details and foreshadowing-hence why there are multiple playthroughs. If you're willing to give it another shot, I'd recommend reading some FAQ or game guide on Reddit or something. There are multiple things you can do to reduce the frustration you may have experienced with gameplay. For instance, the Souls-like save system can be foregone completely by simply saving often, and then upon death quitting and rebooting the game to reload to your latest save in order to keep all your items and chips.
@rustygear447
@rustygear447 4 ай бұрын
Some people see Jesus's face burnt into a toast, and some see only a toast. If you try hard enough, you can see deep meaning even in a pile of poop.
@jagteshwarsingh1435
@jagteshwarsingh1435 27 күн бұрын
@@rustygear447 When you make a game, you don't just put random things, and even if they do, you can't say that all that was coincidental. Sometimes the Toast might have a face put on there by someone.
@bunnyrabb1t
@bunnyrabb1t Жыл бұрын
Just watched a 6 hour long video that details all of NieR story(not just NieR:Automata, which only took like the last ~1 hour of the video) and was really immersed by it, so I should see the oposing view
@alsafyche
@alsafyche Жыл бұрын
i haven't watched the video yet, but CLEARLY your problem is you haven't used one of the half-dozen DLC outfits while also having your ass hang out
@Ali_delightful
@Ali_delightful Жыл бұрын
Nier automata is a top game for me. Although, I didn't start to love it until the ending chapter/9s/A2 route. It's interesting to read others say that it helped them through depression. The game actually made me have an existential crisis. Lol!! I was sad for weeks after playing.
@MambaJamba
@MambaJamba 3 ай бұрын
Agreed with all your points in the vid until last section where you said they were trying to create in-universe justification for 2Bs outfit. That literally doesn't happen once in the game, no idea what you're talking about. They don't say anything like "oh 2B has to breathe through her ass" or any stupid shit like that. Whole last section sounds like you're dealing with a bad breakup or something and took it out on a character's design. (I'm not a fan of the game either but you're making me defend it.) You also mentioned at the start of the video that 2B's design was one of the main reasons the game caught your eye in the first place, so I'm doubly not sure what you're talking about.
@crabsmcgee7283
@crabsmcgee7283 Ай бұрын
You are so blinded by fanboy-ism that you missed an obvious joke.
@casanovafunkenstein5090
@casanovafunkenstein5090 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting that you mentioned that you'd prefer it if 2B's story left you in the dark about the humanity displayed by the machines, so that it could be more impactful when you replay those sections with 9S, who is more empathetic. The original Nier actually does this with the slight twist that the character who has been able to understand the screams and pleas of the enemies you kill has been the most cruel, hateful and sadistic towards them throughout the story. Nier also felt a bit less concerned with animé tropes to me (though part of that was down to the localisation changing the main character from a typical anime protagonist into an early-middle aged man with a face that has all the right bits to be handsome, but not in that arrangement, and a permanent scowl. Sadly, Daddy Nier isn't an option for the remake and you have to play Twink Nier, who isn't as interesting but admittedly there have been so many Daddy protagonists looking to rescue or protect a daughter, son or surrogate daughter in a post apocalyptic/fantasy setting since that game came out that playing as that version of the character probably isn't nearly as cool for a modern audience). There are some genre tropes present but they're generally there to set the player up for a cruel subversion. I've heard that the remake does some work to upgrade the mechanics, so if you are motivated to check it out for comparison to Automata I would be interested to hear your thoughts (though given your experience with the latter I can understand if you don't want to play it, especially in light of the repeated gameplay sections for different endings, the requirement to collect and fully level up every weapon to see the final ending and the part of the game where it becomes a text adventure because you got drugged by a possessed tree and they didn't have the budget needed to actually have you experience the little side adventure , so rather than cut the content completely the developers decided that reading about it and solving a simple quiz about the collection of short stories you just read was a suitable compromise).
@kill4karma
@kill4karma Жыл бұрын
NEiR: Achey Breaky Heart was my favorite wrong name 10/10
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Channelled my Billy Type-Ray for that one
@cornlobby8404
@cornlobby8404 10 ай бұрын
So this video popped in my recommendations as I was becoming interested in NieR: Automata, and I decided to play before seeing this video. Now that I have played it, I feel I can give my two cents on my own experience. I think I can say this video's a really good example on why the game works so well for some people who are willing to look past the flaws of it to find the greatness in it, and why it falls flat for others. I'm not a critical person when it comes to media by a long shot, I personally loved the experience. I don't ask for much, all I care is that it tries to send a good message and can make me feel something whether it's scared, sad, elated, I'll hopefully enjoy it. So, of course this take isn't the most valuable in terms of critical discussion with regard to this game, but I do have stuff I want to say. I think a death sentence to the interest of anyone playing this game would have to be going in with expectations, especially those regarding what topics the game may go over, (unless of course, you've played the other games in the series) The best way to enjoy it in my eyes is to go in with no expectations, no thoughts on what topics it may bring up, just going along with it and building one's own view. Personally I really enjoyed the writing of NieR: Automata, there was something about it that tickled my brain. I liked how the story and gameplay are somewhat designed to hurt the player. NieR: Automata definitely has it's flaws, I don't think any game, no matter how great, can be truly flawless. An example is the gameplay, specifically the combat. Destroying machines feels good but it becomes extremely easy as you get used to the moves the enemies can perform, the only fights I feel were super engaging were some of the bosses, such as Adam's fight in the Copied City. That fight felt truly dynamic. This is another admittedly miniscule example but something that's always bothered me is how much is in the game that can be done after it's beaten through all playthroughs that will not be seen by some players because the game asks if you'd be willing to sacrifice your save data. There are 27 endings, 21 of which are joke endings, 5 are major, and 1 is a DLC ending that is obtained through beating all of the arena fights. Some of these things you really only have a chance of experiencing at Level 99, normally people reach the prompt for save deletion at level 50-65. There are really great things some players probably never get to experience because of that prompt for save deletion. I like the message that sacrificing what you care for to help others so we may all see a happier outcome is a beautiful thing, I love it in fact, but some of these things that are kept from being experienced is absolutely *wild* to me. The DLC ending literally has an entire *music video* featuring a band who collaborated with the game and an actual doll of 2B. The music is beautifully made and the visuals on the video are stunning, and I have a feeling because it's buried so deeply after all that content and a save deletion prompt, few people really get to see it. It's just confusing to me. This is already really long but I will give my take on the designs of the characters. I personally, really enjoy these designs. Not for the blatant "awooga honk honk" appeal, but what can be interpreted from them. The game constantly draws parallels between procreation and the act of killing someone, both of these acts can be seen as somewhat intimate. To love someone enough to continue the cycle of life with them, and to hate someone enough to end their life. I think the outfits, being a mix of mourning aesthetics and a confident show of... well everything, is very fitting for a game that wanted to draw that parallel. Or... y'know, the whole "I just like girls dude" approach works I guess, at least Yoko Taro was honest. I guess I can respect that level of honesty. Some things don't need a real reason to be after all. There's a whole discussion that can be had about the sexualization of female characters in games and where the line should be drawn, but I'm not going to get into that since I don't think I deserve a say as a guy. All I feel I can say is that I'm not above it, I personally don't see a problem in having a cast that looks very attractive or can be called eye candy. It's not realistic of course, but it personally motivates me to look my best, to exercise, take care of myself, and find out what I look good in. I'll never look as good as some video game characters, but I can always look good to myself. My general rule is, "if you're going to make eye candy characters, then don't limit it to the female characters. Guys can be hot too." I was into the characters 9S, Adam, and Eve. That's all I will say. To wrap this up, I think the reason I appreciate NieR a lot is because the eccentric brain behind it all, Yoko Taro continues to tell it's story through many many mediums. There are stageplays, an orchestra concert where a story involving the characters before and after the events of NieR: Automata is told, and many novellas. I can respect that level of creativity, where one will use any medium to tell their crazy-ass stories. Anyway, sorry for the length of this, just wanted to give my own two cents on my experience with this game.
@amharbinger
@amharbinger Жыл бұрын
Watching this again, I would argue a major reason the game's narrative fell flat for you is that the game does a very poor job of explaining many of the paramount details needed for the narrative to work. Been watching your videos for a while and you prudently review the game as is without outside context, which is reasonably. For many, this was the first Nier/Drakengard game they played like myself. Since this is the final game currently in the Nier and Drakengard series you need a novel size amount of information to fully grasp many of the elements here. Even the updated version of Replicant leaves out a lot. Like you I also agree that a game shouldn't require this to appreciate the story. Especially with this franchise where there's novels, plays, and short stories that flesh necessary parts out. I sought out a lot of information about this franchise after completing it but I didn't realize how much story was still needed to fully understand this game until watching the Unabridged from EruptionFang. Which is a 6 hour video that just shows the absurd amount of stuff you need to know. It's definitely one of those franchises that you need to dedicate a lot of effort into but even then that's asking a lot when the first impression doesn't impress.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
A lot of people in the comments have indeed been filling me in on a lot of external info (to the game) that would have been so informative going into it. it's a strange choice to have so much info assigned to orbital pieces of media, and a risky one, but a respectable one
@brandonkeiser5849
@brandonkeiser5849 Жыл бұрын
The shear distain in the "neir:automata" name changes had me rolling 🤣
@ddjsoyenby
@ddjsoyenby Жыл бұрын
as someone who doesn't mind some things like these you did a pretty good explaining your points and there's no issue with not being able to get into it (it's just a game at the end of the day), and you calling "automata" something different every time made me laugh harder than it should've good vid i always enjoy your content
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Derek! :D
@MysticalMachineGun
@MysticalMachineGun Жыл бұрын
The entire Yoko Taro catalogue seems to have a "fuck you player" vibe, especially when you consider what's required to see all the endings in a game like Drakengard. No surprise you didn't like Nier, it doesn't set itself up for broad appeal from a gameplay perspective. And yeah, 9S' shorts are just... no.
@sketchpixels6255
@sketchpixels6255 Жыл бұрын
The game tells you it uses manual saving. This is reinforced multiple times throughout the game and it only uses autosave for a few select moments. Your problem is that you relied on autosave moments WAY TOO MUCH and forgot how the game actually works.
@mr.stuffdoer8483
@mr.stuffdoer8483 11 ай бұрын
I always check comments in videos like this because I’ll pretty quickly be able to tell how much thought the video puts into its argument. Good to know it’s not much.
@Halliwell0Rain
@Halliwell0Rain 11 ай бұрын
​@@mr.stuffdoer8483the above commenter clearly didn't watch the whole video. She explains why she struggled with it, the rules it flipped and how she attempted off-line to concentrate better. Relying on comments of people who may not have even consumed the media is part of the problem of the internet today.
@BellaK423
@BellaK423 Жыл бұрын
The moment I heard 2B was the main character I said…. Oh…you never played Route C…. huh…
@BellaK423
@BellaK423 Жыл бұрын
Spoilers. - - - - In route C 2B dies causing A2 to become the main protagonist and in a sense 9S to become the main Antagonist. I genuinely think WHY people love automata isn’t even route A or B its the massive shift in tone when route C comes along. Route C is just on another High
@BellaK423
@BellaK423 Жыл бұрын
I’d also like to make a point that not many know or too many people know Yoko Taro was hammered while writing all of NieR Automata or at least most of it. This is what happens when you get a Drunk middle aged man to create a story about philosophical bullshit that even he doesn’t find serious. Why people love Yoko Taro is because of that. He doesn’t take his work seriously despite the stories being depicted as serious the intentions were not serious at all
@blairfujin
@blairfujin Жыл бұрын
@@BellaK423 Hm, to me it was 9S who becomes the protagonist, the story being mostly about his downfall, similairly to how a lot of replicant's about Nier's loss of innocence I guess you can see either of them as a protagonist with the other one as an antagonist, everyone sees themselves as a protagonist and it's just a matter of perspective (again like in og Nier ;P)
@vicentegeonix
@vicentegeonix 6 ай бұрын
Correction, saying 2B is a protagonist is not wrong at all because is true.
@strifelife4003
@strifelife4003 4 ай бұрын
​@@vicentegeonixnobody said she wasn't, they said she wasn't the main character, which she isnt.
@CodyL33OX
@CodyL33OX Жыл бұрын
I’ve wanted to play this game since it’s release, and when I finally got it, it lived up to my expectations tbh. It wasn’t that hard imo. The chip system reminds me of warframe and is much appreciated aspect. The map could be livelier but I’m pleased. To each their own ig
@oracleiscool
@oracleiscool Жыл бұрын
13:56 As in Neo Twewy? Do you have any thoughts on that game? Id love to hear them if so, I had a multitude of issues with that game but people seemed to love it 😅
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I've not tried that one actually! I meant Nioh :D Would you recommend Twewy? ;D
@oracleiscool
@oracleiscool Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay Oh my god sorry!!! I had a feeling after I might had misheard😅 I’ve gone on a little tangent here, so please only read once you have time or if you need reference for the game!!: But yesss I’d really reccomend Twewy final mix on switch, such a funny cast of characters and amazing character development!! The gameplay is really different and I’ll admit takes time to get used to, but it’s honestly addictive. I played on the switch, but the game was made for DS first and had crazy input for attacks, like shutting the ds and twisting it or yelling or silly things. Characters are absolutely iconic, it has to be said. They range from having their silly moments to genuine and realistic conversations, and just. The puns. Minamimoto speaks for himself, the man fills MULTIPLE text boxes with Pi for no reason other than he likes maths. A lot. The visual design is such a product of its time, i ADORE the almost comic book style cutscenes so so much. Just a few small heads up that might catch you, interactions and story is out of order sometimes but is cleared up very soon after, narrative is told through visual-novel esque scenes so be wary if that doesn’t appeal to you, and the language and vernacular is very 2000’s. AND controls. If you’re playing switch, you’re gonna either have to use gyro or tap the screen 😅. But oh my god, overall I’d really recommend it!! It holds strong as my favourite video game, and at 25~ hours long it’s a good in-between game to space out longer play throughs of other games!!! If you ever decide to play, I’d absolutely ADORE seeing it!!!!! Love your content!!!!
@Marichainz
@Marichainz Жыл бұрын
Haha I’m glad you put this video out. I was looking forward to it! Thank you ❤
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mari!!
@TravTravYT
@TravTravYT Жыл бұрын
You always vaguely _hear_ videos talk about different sides of enjoyment, and if you're lucky, you get to watch it happen in real time (like with FNAF Security Breach) but you never really _see_ videos talking about the _less positive_ angles of a beloved game, so this is interesting to me, especially when you've made clear you're not some contrarian or clickbaiter, your genuine reasons and message are culminated in the thumbnail
@ozazoyo
@ozazoyo 6 ай бұрын
damn, couldnt have said it better myself
@arturoporraz6046
@arturoporraz6046 10 ай бұрын
It is ok, not everyone can have good taste.
@SageofStars
@SageofStars 10 ай бұрын
Okay, that made me laugh. Thank you.
@uroborous01
@uroborous01 3 ай бұрын
its ok, not everyone can sit back, relax and enjoy something from a different culture than their own and appreciate it for what it is. i bet she would really hate death stranding.
@sergi5816
@sergi5816 2 ай бұрын
You're speaking about yourself here.
@thejack5952
@thejack5952 2 ай бұрын
​@@uroborous01 death stranding was bland and too much monster energy involved.
@sopranophantomista
@sopranophantomista Жыл бұрын
Honestly, this is a fair critique. Nier's storytelling isn't for everyone, and I'm excited to see why it didn't click for you the way it did for many others. E: Okay, about half way through the video, and I have to say, you using any other "A" word but Automata when referencing the title? 10/10 humour, A+, no notes. Keep doing what you're doing. I played this game on Easy, which means that I was able to switch my pod on and just let 'er rip. It took so much pressure off of me to keep track of everything, and I wasn't even streaming or anything, I just have a difficult time keeping track of multiple things in games. I came into the game for the story, and that's what hooked me. As far as 9S's arc goes, I can agree with you that the story could have deviated just a little bit more from when he was alone, but I'm still glad it's there because I adore the layering of the story that comes from it. And really, without his perspective, the rest of the story just...wouldn't make sense, like, at all. I see the emotions that the androids feel, even in their limited capacity, was something rogue in their programming. Remember, this war has been going on for thousands of years, and who knows what any self governing AI has would be capable of? Again, it goes back to theoreticals that can be swept away by the story, but I think that some of the concepts presented are questions that should be explored, you know? I feel like Yoko Taro is that one lead developer and narrative director that Squeenix has that's locked in a basement broom closet somewhere and only let out once every 7 years to unleash his madness and then goes back into his hidey hole. And that's okay! He's been able to bring some really great, unique stories to the art of video game narrative and development because of his perspective. He's always thinking outside the box, but he's certainly not for everyone.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Shanty
@whoseverslinky0
@whoseverslinky0 Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry to do this, but this is the first video ever that I disliked, and I care to explain why. I bought this game when I was 19, because I saw it on sale, didn't know anything about it, never heard of the name, complete blind discovery. My relation with the game started off rather negatively even, because I overestimated my capacities and set the game on difficult. After dying to the intro for about 45 minutes, I just tuned down the difficulty to normal and went back. First impressions were great tho, because the gameplay was simple enough to not cause me brain damage, like managing stamina or anything overly mechanical, and spamming dodge meant invincibility, so I quickly grasped the controls and rolled with them. The only moment I thought was a bit uncomfortable was in the last cinematic of the intro, when they blow up their boxes. Because i found 2B to be a bit over reactive on the loss of 9S, especially compared to her other companions (but it was just the start, and the story was cooking). After that, you're getting booted up and changing your settings actually messes with 9S and he reacts to your changes. Never played a game that does that before, and I also didn't hear you speak about that either... but for me it was a surprisingly good immersion point, and generally speaking, I don't care about immersion. Never had in the past, but this small interactions were nice, because you feel like your partner cares about your well being. I absolutely fell in love with the black and white theme of the bunker, because it emphasize the lonely feeling of being in space, with only a few crew members in their room, and hearing the echoes of the high heels hitting the ground, resonating all around you... the tone was put masterfully, and it was the first step toward me liking this game. Then, when you exit the bunker with 9S, you drop on a rooftop with him and start searching for the resistance camp nearby. At this point, I had already forget that 2B was presented with an entire bakery, and the "sexy female android" thing had not worked for me, as I was already stunned by the visuals. The only time I thought that this game was going to be full blown overly sexy was in the very first cutscene where 2B breaks the wall and frontflip her way to the ground, and by the time the intro ends, I had already forgot it and never thought about sexy thing. Also too bad, the ass magic doesn't work against me. But when reaching the roof of the building, you get a glance at the city ruins, and when the slow, calm and melancholic soft music started playing, I fell in love with the game for good. The ambiance just hit me deeply. I started my journey, and before going to the resistance, the first thing I did was running around exploring the city. After a while of exploring and getting a feel of the city layout, I went to resistance camp and my journey really began. From that point on, I was owned by the game. It's the second game ever that made me stop in place and wait just to listen to the music. And the first time I entered the amusement park, I just got completely hypnotized. The colorful robots, the fireworks, the balloons, the lights, and especially the music... so charming and oddly sad, everything here got me sitting, thinking about... I don't know ? I can't remember what I was thinking. But listening to the amusement park theme just made me space out for a while. That's it for the first impressions, and that explains why I fell so much in love with it. In your video, I feel like you didn't make justice for many things that add to the charm. And it's alright if you didn't like them, but you didn't mention them either, so parts your summary just didn't computed with me. You didn't seem to care to do that much of side quest, because there is some beautiful small chapters there. The sister robot one, the resistant couple where the girl manipulates the guy, the bizarre machine and its weirdly advanced intellect, every Jean-Paul chapters with his love letters and his superiority complex, and the most important of side quest, Emil and the lunar tears. The only side quest you barely mention is the one with the buried desert artefacts, which I know you said you didn't care, but goddamn they add a nice lore touch to the desert, as it's likely the exact spot where Façade (the desert city from Nier replicant) was installed. You didn't talk about the C route that much, only mentioning A2 as a playable lingerie wearer. But this chapter is also the slow decent to madness of 9S, it's also the appearance and odd presence of Devola and Popola, it's also the ultimate Pascal arc, but you didn't talk about those things. You said that you knew Pascal would die, because he's marked to die from the start... but the big part isn't about his death, it's about weather you chose to erase his memory, kill him, or let him be with his sadness.... you make these choices ! How come you don't talk about that ? When i played through route C, what mainly got me almost teared up was to see the powerless actions of 9S, the rebellious nature and plot of A2, and all the choices you have to make to make some story arcs proceed. Lastly, the part where I thought you went a bit far and pushed me to dislike the video was dunking on Yoko Taro and 2B design. If you spent the entire game thinking about 2B's ass, it sounds like a you problem, because I certainly wasn't driven by ass fantasy here. Like I said at the start, I only thought about sexy android when she does the first frontflip, but 5 seconds after you get into a fight. At this exact moment, I forget about android's booty and focus to get started gameplay wise. I start learning controls, i get a feel for movement, etc. I fight for my goddamn life here. I shit you not, 3/4 of the slow motion ass shots you took at the end I didn't even knew you could see like that. Sure, you can focus and be mad about 2B's design and rally people that now thinks that because you said it, but I focused on the heavy story here, and I easily went past the part where you can see a split second of ass cheeks mid jump. As for Yoko Taro, you did him really dirty for no reason. The man said himself that he designed 2B like that because he likes women. What the hell is wrong about that ? The man is as honest as a human can be, and you're still imagining scenarios where it's a male deviant that only thinks about sex. For Christ's sake look at the current state of the gaming industry, with Overwatch and hypersexualized womens sold by tons (widow, Brigitte, Dva, angel, etc) Valorants and their 30$ knife reskin, and the copy pasted COD we get each year, and when we get a creative, beautifully written story game, with 2 beautiful women now it's panic mode and male creator is devious and masturbate in the back seat while watching you play... this part if the video was mean and unnecessary. Once again, I'm sorry for the dislike, but even if you're sharing your honest opinion here, I can only disagree with what you said. Fortunately this game still is fantastic to me, and after my sister almost cried on it multiple times and my friend got shook up by the unusual story telling and narrative, it will remains to me as my favorite story driven game and I'll keep cherishing it
@KittenKatja
@KittenKatja Жыл бұрын
There are three types of people that have played NieR:Automata,: 1. They give it at least a 9 out of 10. 2. They think of it as just a game. 3. They hate the game and/or the characters, the features, or the gameplay. #3 is rather a niche thing, as I haven't seen that many. One guy made a video with oddly a similar title as this video's thumbnail, in 2018, where he not only went into the game with a preset mindset, but also with a mouth work that tried to force an opinion of the game in every single second. This in turn diminished his experience with the game, as he wasn't even able to traverse the tutorial area, and gave up after 2 hours halfway through, which is also halfway through the demo. (except the demo doesn't have the intro cutscene and the flying into orbit fight) One example of #2 is someone who wanted to explore the internet before playing the game, on the search for why everyone is giving it a 9/10, rarely a 10/10 or an 8/10, he found out that everything that makes these people give the game a 9/10 is a spoiler of the game. Probably a reason that the talk with your co-worker bird ended with silence. But there's also one critique point that doesn't fit in any of the three categories; the graphics. The graphics are in the distance, rightfully unimpressive, as it is with any game, but they then support the graphics argument with the shadow shader argument, even though they're two separate entities, and neither of them are important enough for Yoko Taro to fix, as it's important for him that the game is stimulating the player's emotional region, not the eyes. So it comes to how water is shown in game. I personally couldn't describe it until I saw a video, where they described it "as if sensors are seeing the world, not like humans do." Then there are also streamers/youtubers that think they beat the game after reaching Ending A. Only one or two did come back to find a whole another 25 hours of content ahead.
@NovemberXXVII
@NovemberXXVII Жыл бұрын
NieR could be brilliantly avant garde if viewed as intentionally demanding and unsatisfactory. But then it went and shoved android ass in my face, which hella undermines that take.
@victor9240
@victor9240 10 ай бұрын
I didn't have most of the problems that you had like saving, 9S boring route, repetitive stuff, seeing 2B's ass everywhere... but to each their own. I think you would have enjoyed the game more without Twitch chat
@Natethegreat-tq4qh
@Natethegreat-tq4qh Жыл бұрын
This was a really interesting video. I enjoyed hearing a different take regarding the game and do understand where you are coming from. I personally love this game, probably in my top 10 favorite games list. The story is incredible imo (Ending E left me in tears), the characters are well-written, fantastic musical score and engaging fun gameplay.
@lukasrosengaard8680
@lukasrosengaard8680 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for asking an unrelated question on a nier video, but do you know about the project moon games? They made 3 games in different genre still contained in the same universe. I think you might like them
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of them! They should interesting though, I take it they're sci-fi?
@lukasrosengaard8680
@lukasrosengaard8680 Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay kinda its very different i think the best description would be cyberpunk fantasy with sci-fi elements.
@Beelzeboogie
@Beelzeboogie 7 ай бұрын
This is me and Elden Ring. I just feel like I don't have the vernacular to justify it.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay 7 ай бұрын
I found Elden Ring to be a bit meh, so I feel you
@leovaf1345
@leovaf1345 6 ай бұрын
@@MertKayKay how?
@dyinginpink
@dyinginpink Жыл бұрын
A great video as always! Best way to spend my evening. Love your videos ♥♥
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Anna it always makes me smile to see you! Thank you for watching
@callumgilchrist
@callumgilchrist Жыл бұрын
Her little twink companion is the best description 😂😂😂
@matrodsilver
@matrodsilver Ай бұрын
Damn, It's undeniable that the game is oversexualized, Yoko Taro himself said he did it solely because he likes arse, anyone that denies it is therefore just clearly wrong. But damn, to say that the story is solely a "look at 2B's arse simulator" is Absoluetly Unphatomable to me. I get that it could be told differently, but I find it completely outerwordly to reduce the whole story telling to 2B's sexualization. I find it genuinely good, the secondary missions can be boring if you already is not vibin' with the game, but they do show on a more profound level the feelings, emotions and thoughts of the characters, as does the main story. I am one to vibe with the game's narrative, world and execution tho, so I have the view of someone that really enjoyed the game, but for that reason, to resume Nier as a arse looking simulator is far way beyond a stretch to me. unfortunatelly the game is indeed oversexualized and brings the wrong weird kind of attetion, so yeah, ain't gonna hate over it. And although I uterly disagree with the review, appreciate the fact of playing it to the end, takes real effort to finish something you don't enjoy, and it's nice to see a different view of someone that is on the other specter and don't like the game, frustrating in this case lol, but interesting nonetheless, I see some points made that I didn't gave much attention the times I played. Would recommend still, I find this game amazing to say the least.
@adamw9288
@adamw9288 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you recommended Signalis Mert. Amazing game but I will never emotionally recover (great video as always)
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you my stallion
@gabrielbobowski7767
@gabrielbobowski7767 Жыл бұрын
Firstly, this is a well made video and power to you for making it. This made me think a lot about the way that I react to people disagreeing/critiquing things that I like. I think when there are strong disagreements over certain points, it makes me question, "Hey, why don't you expect more out of a game in this area" or "Are my opinions wrong?" Which, I think, is fine for me to question myself on. When you feel strongly about a piece of media, sometimes its hard to take criticism objectively. At least this is a flaw for me personally, idk if it applies across the board. It's not even that I disagree with all of your points, but a lot of them just don't hit hard with me or don't outweigh the PROs for me. I have a lot more experience with JRPGs so you'll have to forgive me there haha. Nonetheless, this made me deep in thought and I think I'll pull out some positive conclusions.
@shocknawe
@shocknawe Жыл бұрын
2:38 - Was it though? Because given the title, I guess it wasn’t meant 2B.
@YT_Harv
@YT_Harv Жыл бұрын
I keep getting the same glitch and I don’t know what to do about it, I do the first bit of the game when ur flying but once you get in the tunnel and I break the remaining robot before going through the blast doors I get a screen glitch where I only see the ocean and a ship and can move it even tho it shows my controls for the character and says what I should be pressing but I cant can anyone help?
@Anublet90
@Anublet90 Жыл бұрын
Honestly sounds like your viewers made every effort to detract from your enjoyment, TBH.
@BADRBOY
@BADRBOY Жыл бұрын
I didn't play Nier so I will spare everyone including myself from reading walls of text about philosophy or anything of that sorts. I simply recommend that you play Suikoden 1 and 2 once the remasters are released because those were fun JRPGs that did speak to me on a certain level, especially the second games. A friend recommended them to me and they were fun, lots of things to do especially in Suikoden 2. ... ... .... ....... okay I lied I might type a wall of text after all. When it comes to "technically it makes sense in the lore" I find it to be a rather cheap way of explaining why a certain character looks and behaves a certain way that's pretty much fan service. I mean yeah Quiet breathes through her skin but does she really have to put on a show in the helicopter when you ride it? Add to that she has an outfit that covers her from neck to toe, where's the game logic in there? Kojima makes fun games generally but Quiet was not the tragic character that looks like eye candy because of it, however I did enjoy aspects of her story. Miss assassin falls for her target and goes on to fight the good(?) fight despite being captured and tortured...looking back at it Quiet is a sexually provocative simp that wakes up every single day and chooses violence to solve her problems. Another thing about characters looking oddly sexual or more or less feminine if they're guys in Japanese styled video games, well it's something that seems to be a staple in RPGs made in Japan. It's more or less queer coated villains like for example Kuja from Final Fantasy 9...a femboy on his dragon being le big bad surprised me for a moment then I thought about it and it became clear...it's Japan lol. It's an annoying trope for sure.
@BlackfangDragon
@BlackfangDragon Жыл бұрын
9S and 2B are built to be around the same age, but as you say the way they dress and act gives off very different vibes. Made even more poignant that the S-Types are meant to look like they’re younger by being smaller. While all the Male Yorha units who weren’t short and boyish were exterminate.
@BlackfangDragon
@BlackfangDragon Жыл бұрын
Also you misunderstood the Aliens bit. The Aliens WERE real, but were wiped out by their Robots who decided they wanted the dead humans to be their Gods instead.
@huyharth
@huyharth 10 ай бұрын
I put this game down for like 6 months. After I picked it back up I couldnt stop. Saving means just save after you made progress you dont want to lose. And you gotta love grinds for this one. I used to disliike grinds, but then I discoverd Warframe. Then played Neir again. Love the story, the aesthetic, and the all
@huyharth
@huyharth 10 ай бұрын
I dont think this director is actually as self indulgent as what you feeling, in fact if anything I think he is probably less so than any the rest of us
@huyharth
@huyharth 10 ай бұрын
If anything A2 is the sexy one lol. And being able to see beyond the fact they look a certain way is a testament to self control honestly
@strifelife4003
@strifelife4003 4 ай бұрын
I don't think I have ever seen a reviewer so daft in my life, that they understand nearly every part of something yet particularly frame it as if there is something wrong with the property rather than their perspective of understanding. Everything in the game is framed around the question of 'what is it to be human?' to which it thoroughly explores nearly every aspect, on the nose so that it drives home a not so abstract point, and draws a lot of its inspiration from works like ghost in the shell but works to try to expand on that with diffent types of characters. 'The world feels empty' yes, to put it bluntly is there a ghost in the shell - go find out. 'The enemies are bland' yes, they are robots and all very similar because of it, if you look skin deep, but through the quests and side quests we find the life hiding beneath - much like the 'drones' we call people in real life. '2b is sexualized' yes, for a man it is to ask the question of the human context behind that which we find appealing - for women it is to identify with the pressures society places on your attractiveness and how alienating that can be and feel in all of its empowerment, isolation, and discomfort. You act like things can't have multiple points from multiple perspectives and completely miss any introspection from the discourse which is hinted at thoroughout the narrative. Not to mention there are all types of people, of all different backgrounds and ages who are ment to play this game - not every hint is going to land on every person, nor is it going to land the same way as you have clearly portrayed here by exibiting your clear understanding of the points yet lack of introspection on them. So yes some stuff may seem ham-fisted, thats the point, it needs to be accessible to all while also getting its point across in a way it doesn't miss the forrest for the trees. Not to mention there are plenty of camera settings and plug in chips to tailor the game to your playing experience. Everything in game exists in universe, all of the official digital art surrounding the game, all of the explinations to why the world exists how it does (look into drakengard's overall story for that) even down to the os chips the androids run on exist in game. The game is meant to be fair yet punishing, thats why it flips between hard and soft saving - so that you dont have to do a bunch of massive back tracking when the game rail roads you when you make a mistake but it also isn't going to hold your hand so plan accordingly, much like how life can be unsure and isn't going to hold your hand. Their saving isn't totally perfect on mitigating backtracking but they could have done worse. Also the initial tutorial is supposed to be brutal, thats the point - life is a slog and you have to pick yourself back up when you get knocked down, tough lessons like that is what builds resilience and prepares you for what comes next. Thats part of being human. Locals like the forest kingdom and the factory have multiple dimensions which is why you return to them to see the stuff you overlooked the first time, a change in perspective, the forest kingdom admittedly is a better example of this than the factory though. The city is just a bunch of paths and isles of varying elevation much like the various paths you could go with your life or your outlook on it to get to where you are going. I could go on but i think I have made my point. On the point of 'why do they have emotions' this is like coming into the harry potter series on the half-blood prince and then not being able to make sense of the world that came before, I don't know go look at nier - you referenced it a few times afterall, go connect some dots. You strike me as the type of individual with the depth of a puddle, as that is what you got from the game, the same as how one dimensional characters in nier automata are portrayed, you see how your perspective tells on you? Once again this is how the game asks 'what is it to be human?'. Art is a mirror.
@omegalyle8913
@omegalyle8913 Жыл бұрын
after watching this gem i know the inevitable full length in depth philosophical metal gear rising review is gonna be a banger
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Which one of the series would you recommend one begins with
@omegalyle8913
@omegalyle8913 Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay well, the standard metal gear solid games are packed with philosophy and story for great in depth analysis, but can be a drag to play through because of the abundance of cutscenes etc. i'd say you can play through mgs1 to mgs5 if possible for the full picture and story (and so you dont have to be confused about story elements further on), but mgs3 and mgs4 are arguably the most famous and widely regarded of the bunch, and youre probably fine going with those two only. metal gear rising is a hack and slash spinoff that satirizes a lot of the earlier games' concepts and is pretty meta, making for fun playthroughs with wacky characters and story. less serious than the originals, but fun as hell combined with meaty analysis material. can be analysed and played on its own, maybe with some previous lore readup for the best experience :)
@fxls5300
@fxls5300 7 ай бұрын
I agree with many of your criticisms, but still enjoyed the game. It's not a masterpiece, but it's definitely interesting. The worst part, to me, was how weak the main story beats were. It's a good story, on paper, but I BARELY realized some of the main plot points because of the way they presented them - the fact that the androids going insane was their planned extinction was almost an afterthought, when it should have been one of the most gripping and emotional moments. I think what the game did best was all the worldbuilding surrounding that main chain of events. I was also really bothered by the way 9S was driven to complete insanity when 2B died. I'm so sick of stories where a man is obsessed with a woman. People talk about "Oh, the tragedy of Nier Automata is that they're crazy in love!" and I'm like.... Is it? Because to me, the developers really missed the mark there. I don't care at all about this little twink because they made him SO boring and then IMEDIATELY insane after she died. Another reveal that was barely attention grabbing was the fact that 2B was destined to kill him over and over again. Maybe if you had made him interesting in any way or made me care for their relationship, I would have cared about that. But by the end of 2B's playthrough I was literally just starting to think "oh, she finally sees him as a little brother!" while the back of my mind was going "they're supposed to be a couple, aren't they...". And then 9S' entire arc was such a joke to me. PS: surprised you didn't mention A2's ass in the last section. I feel like they took special care making her animation and it's so disturbing. At least 2B has clothes ??
@Miaalabeille
@Miaalabeille Жыл бұрын
Hey I love your videos and how you talk and analyze games ! You think you could do an essay on Let It Die ? From what I see you play on console, it's on PC so idk if it's on PS5 but I think it's still available on PS4 It's a cool and very original japanese game with a lot of things to say about
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the recommendation! I think I'm familiar with the game, I'll have to see
@Miaalabeille
@Miaalabeille Жыл бұрын
@MertKayKay I've been binge watching your vids for like 3 days xD we really see the ramp up on quality for the past 2 year on your content ^-^ keep it up sister !
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Zombie, pleasure to have you here :D
@iisanulquiorrahara8
@iisanulquiorrahara8 15 күн бұрын
I think there's some irony in that this video has me wanting to go back to playing Route C of NieR Automata _several years later_ I'm in the group that played NieR Gestalt first, like all the way to the very, very end, and adored it, despite having never played a Drakengard game in my life to give context to the route. Most loved game of mine to come out in 2010, and I played it maybe 2015-2016. I knew from a gameplay perspective it was a technical mess. Combat was not good, and for a game with awful AA, it also had frame rate ranging from low to a celebration event that you have to walk through at 10 FPS. Yet I adored the characters, loved the story (despite the very simple plot), and loved the world building that led into some of the better twists with the game. It was more than enough for me to see it through, even with the BS requirements to even see the last sections. And it put me in a good place to see what Automata had to offer from the insane skull within the man within the skull mask. I.. like a lot of aspects with Automata. I enjoy the story, the OST, the designs, the washed out palette, even the combat to an extent. Heck, even the joke endings were really great to me, though I went into those more organically. If I had known the "26 endings" was a marketing ploy, I might have felt a similar spite from it all. But at some point while I was playing, I went from really looking forward to the good aspects to becoming frustrated with the jarring ones. No matter how amazing she looked in her flowy dress and shameless leotard, I just wasn't getting into 2B's character and how she'll go from "Emotions are forbidden" to "These friendly robots are cool, tho" in the village. And close to nothing was getting me into 9S, from the way he was designed to look like shotacon bait (and I'm so glad someone else finally sees it, too, with the clear schoolboy look) to the way his character goes from annoyingly emotional chatterbox to "A L L R O B O T S M U S T D I E" with regards to Pascal and the others, as if mimicking this one aspect of 2B. And then going through Route B with downgraded combat, a heavily downgraded protagonist, and even crashes in really bad spots (playing this on PS4 at the time, btw, it crashed just before the humanity "twist"), I was more eager to see it done than to see what was coming next. By the time I got to Route C and A2 cuts her hair because Yoko Taro was afraid we'd miss 2B far too much.. I had to stop. This game has left a bitter taste in my mouth, despite it being one I should love. I was spoiled on a truly fantastically flawed entry and saw a game with love put into it that simply rubbed me the wrong way. And I am the type to find myself enjoying a sequel more than an original: I loved Metal Gear Solid 2 more than Metal Gear Solid 1, despite loving the former, and I'm even one of a very few people who loved The Last of Us 2 more than The Last of Us 1, despite liking the OG. But Automata.. maybe it will just make more sense to me by the end, but it's just not NieR Gestalt for me.
@sorrythisisathrowaway4585
@sorrythisisathrowaway4585 Жыл бұрын
SPOILERS ABOUT THIS GAME! So, about the "emotions are prohibited" plothole... I don't think this is actually a plothole at all. Now, I was also disappointed by this title and it's been a while since I played, so bear with me if I got anything wrong, but... a big theme with our mechanical cast is this desperation to be with their creators, right? In the final battle, A2 drops a line that androids are programmed to serve humans, in response to 9S asking why he craves human attention. As the senseless war continued between android and machines, they evolved emotions for two reasons: 1) Emotions are useful. If the androids accepted that all the humans are extinct, then logically, they would have no reason to exist anymore. However, humans built the androids in their image, so... for better and worse, it wasn't an option. They needed hope to keep going anyway. With emotions, they would have the determination to keep up with the machines. This is also why combat androids have the feelings of love simulated when they fight -- it's a motivator to keep them from falling into despair, or worse, apathy. 2) Emotions became the closest link to humans the androids had left. (This is also the point of that weird factory plotline with the machines who were determined to commit die. They thought that the thing that made their creators "Gods" was the fact they were mortal and that they could also become Gods through death. It's not a design flaw that the androids and machines feel intensely or become illogical, it IS the design. Maybe not the original one, but it's the one they adapted). I took "emotions are prohibited" as a very lax rule of the androids, mostly told to make sure the androids stayed on task. It's like if your workplace has a rule that you must wear black, but for ages employees wear dark blue or other dark colours without getting in trouble. It's enough to get by. Boss doesn't care. Then suddenly you have a coworker like 2B who snaps about how "only black is acceptable" and everyone is like. "Wow lady. You're not wrong, but... you know what we're getting paid, right? Maybe live a little? Anyway..." Generally, I remember this being the attitude 9S and 6O expressed, at least, imo. I actually thought it was a fun subversion to the usual trope once I realized there weren't really strong implements in place to punish androids for just "feeling". They might get scolded for keeping useless data like cat pictures, or getting crushes on other androids, but they'd only REALLY get in trouble if they stepped out of line(which I guess would be the workplace equivalent of showing up to work naked, except like, worse, because sacred duties and stuff. Consequences IMMEDIATE.) I do think the game could have benefited from being a bit clearer about this (and it could have benefited from having a better story and world to explore, but that's a whole other conversation), so I understand why it'd be frustrating tho.
@BlackfangDragon
@BlackfangDragon Жыл бұрын
Emotions are prohibited is definitely meant to be a rule for Yorha, who as the latest models are made the closest image to humans. But those emotions would also make them question being part of a Death Cult, which YoRHa is, so the emotions must be prohibited to keep them loyal.
@rustygear447
@rustygear447 4 ай бұрын
They can build the Pods that are robotic and have no issue with emotions, so they can do the same for combat Androids if emotion is such a bad thing in their operation. Only the few high level Androids need to be that close to human quality. Putting emotion into the Androids and then have a rule to forbid it is just dumb.
@evaninthehaus
@evaninthehaus 2 ай бұрын
"Emotions are Prohibited" is a lie 2B tells herself and 2B to keep 9S at a distance. She keeps repeating the phrase while every single member of Yorha flaunts this rule pretty openly. Every one of them, including 2B, shows very strong emotional all the time, and nobody enforces it. Its heavily impled the Yorha Commander herself is deeply irrational in her personal life, refusing to go to the doctor and living a very messy lifestyle behind closed doors. Sure, it may be an actual written policy, but we either see Yorha units lying about it or we see them deserting with their partners, with all the obvious subtext that includes. 2B is the only who cites the rule, and she only cites it to not develop an attachment to 9S, and she fails at this, repeatedly.
@__BlacklotuS__
@__BlacklotuS__ 2 ай бұрын
you have to have a non euclidean mindset to actually understand the story for this game
@Coff33Drink3r02
@Coff33Drink3r02 Жыл бұрын
Man you really missed the date on this April 1st video.
@Nihil847
@Nihil847 Жыл бұрын
I actually not too into these types of games or even the art style, but I loved it and was surprised how deep it could get.
@snigeling
@snigeling Жыл бұрын
Great video, found the perspective interesting. Never played these games but i really get the views on 2B and kaine for the other game.
@VectoredPromise
@VectoredPromise Жыл бұрын
Did your friend really say 2B's ass or is that just your assumption? I feel like people from the outside looking in just assumes that's why people like the game
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Yes, we had a good laugh about it
@Bosshands
@Bosshands Жыл бұрын
most of the story beats you wanted to see are in Neir gesult/replicant pretty much lol
@Bridgewood20
@Bridgewood20 Жыл бұрын
For me it's one of those games that made me question why I played games in the first place and when asked the big question was asked I couldn't agree fast enough
@AskForDoodles
@AskForDoodles Жыл бұрын
Impressed by your insistence to never say the name of the game the same way twice 🤣
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
It got REALLY difficult
@JuanYusteDelValle
@JuanYusteDelValle Жыл бұрын
Oh, Nier: Automata. Or how I like to call it 7/10
@CianaCorto
@CianaCorto 5 ай бұрын
And I like to call you a homosexual.
@SariniyaKiyu
@SariniyaKiyu Жыл бұрын
....Uh. Im confused at your explanation of the saving system, mostly because of my '(Hard) Save Any Moment You Can' habit from ye olde games. I did not experience ANY of the problems you did during your playthrough. I find it very interesting to see how people rely on the autosaving too much, I guess. edit: Jesus fucking Christ, throughout my gameplay I did NOT pay that much attention to 2B's butt as much as you did, help and save me t_t I seriously had to stop the video because of the way you were describing her in the last segment. Im sorry, I love watching your videos, but dontchu think youve confused yourself? t_t
@jamesbrincefield9879
@jamesbrincefield9879 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know people were allowed to do anything other than blindly praise this game.
@JuJuTy-WintryWindow412
@JuJuTy-WintryWindow412 6 ай бұрын
About the emotion thing, 2B and 9S have been doing missions for ages, and there’s an official comic about it somewhere, basically 9S keeps learning too much about YorHa, they end him and wipe his memory, 2B remembers, and it keeps happening over and over, and she has to keep hiding her emotions while still trying to keep him safe, like “There’s no point trying to solve unsolvable problems”, she’s constantly trying to lead 9S astray to keep him alive this time, but she never succeeds. Also the whole ending thing is more impactful than more time passes, so E is pretty solid being right at the end, thankfully it keeps all your weapons and their levels, but I don’t know about chips though. Also also about the camera skirt thing, go to system, settings, camera, and there’s an option called “Vertical Auto Adjust” turn all the way down, camera doesn’t move at all… so at least you don’t need to worry about it while running.
@MegaMooer
@MegaMooer Жыл бұрын
It feels fun to control until you hit a tiny bush or piece of garbage and lose all speed and momentum, which happens nearly CONSTANTLY
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
The classic GTA bush
@CarlolucaS
@CarlolucaS Жыл бұрын
My finger moves so fast to the forward button the second I see the vignette around the borders of the screen indicating a flash back. No sir. You are not taking my time here. I am already wasting it.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I tried watching Attack on Titan and it killed my interest so hard!
@CarlolucaS
@CarlolucaS Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay Funny enough I've read the manga and never went back to the anime :) I can barely recommend Anime nowadays cause most of it is pretty garbage.
@daltooinewestwood6380
@daltooinewestwood6380 10 ай бұрын
I remember beating 2B and 9S stories and thinking that 2As would end up being the shortest of the three and attempted to beat it in one sitting
@evanpetelle5669
@evanpetelle5669 6 ай бұрын
I remember explaining what “captchas” were being utilized for to a group of people & they all called me a weirdo conspiracy theorist.
@BaconheartStuff
@BaconheartStuff Жыл бұрын
This video made me remember I actually just stopped playing the game during 9S' story and completely forgot it was still installed on my computer until now. 9S' story is just so hard to get into. You can do the same stuff, again! But now with an annoying minigame as your most damaging attack and an insufferable protagonist! Thank god for the minigame skip function, 9S would be unplayable if you had to do it every single time.
@UnyieldingMass
@UnyieldingMass 8 ай бұрын
Just wanna say as a man, you spent more time looking up 2b's skirt then i did.
@vicentegeonix
@vicentegeonix 6 ай бұрын
Yeah right 😉
@UnyieldingMass
@UnyieldingMass 6 ай бұрын
@@vicentegeonix I'm only counting in game, would definitely be more if we're talking about other sauces XD
@vicentegeonix
@vicentegeonix 6 ай бұрын
@@UnyieldingMass hahaha
@dozydreamstarot
@dozydreamstarot Жыл бұрын
Very interesting to see a different opinion on this game I suppose. But I truly do feel that the attitude is a little too passive in some areas and misses the point on what the said "missed mark" even is about in this story. I do agree on some points but there are some others that really just feel like it was completely overlooked based on personal opinion rather than intended portrayal. That and it became clear that frustration blinded you from experiencing things as intended. There are some story beats that confused or caused you to formulate specific opinions on how things should be changed. It is because Automata isn't a standalone story where it gives all the context in one game. Which is fair because unfortunately the story can be convoluted within the Automata universe since there are story plays and literal important lore lines being read out in concerts that weren't heard anywhere else. But I also feel like this was done because they didn't want to make the story in the game span over 70 hours just to experience it all. This to me just signifies who wishes to pay attention to it all or not. But a lot of stuff mentioned in this review has reasons behind them that make sense to me. You're not digging deep enough and you aren't wanting to which is completely valid since you don't HAVE to. So I hope that this counter-commentary is met without bias. Because dismissing anyone who may want to counterpoint is rather disingenuous and pretentious to just put out your own opinion and plug your ears and not hear them out. This goes for anyone else who wishes to read through this as well. twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss98iu
@makotoshiro318
@makotoshiro318 Жыл бұрын
Nice commentary of 2B killing "God" the entire time. I forgot that 9S is related to the creator of YorHa. Though it could've been an afterthought of Yoko Taro to connect 9S to creator of YorHa to create the irony to begin with.
@dozydreamstarot
@dozydreamstarot Жыл бұрын
@@makotoshiro318 it is something that is missed by many but my mind was blown when I realized it circled back to the beginning... which you think "well of course duh" considering the whole theme is about a never ending cycle. Like the only time it stopped is when A2 stopped. And I remember that sticking out like a sore thumb because I've never experienced "hey stop attacking the boss".
@daltooinewestwood6380
@daltooinewestwood6380 10 ай бұрын
I love nier automata but it’s because I’m a zealous post-humanist who would trade his flesh for metal in a femtosecond
@Akakikukaku
@Akakikukaku Жыл бұрын
I'll say one thing On the first time 2B and 9S reached and landed on a rooftop after fighting the first boss, I sprinted down instinctively Took me 2-3 minutes, kinda feel irked that I (thought) I must do this as majority of JP games have invisible walls so no jumps After I got an ending, I go for 2nd playthrough, I went there, on that rooftop I glide down easy THERE WAS NEVER INVISIBLE WALLS, I WAS CONDITIONED AM PISSED So about these games, I don't really understand, but I think it meant for you to enjoy it by *truly exploiting all that it shows you* The 2nd and subsequent playthroughs is relatively a breeze, as I already knows what to do and what enemy weaknesses I super enjoyed it, but I get it, nothing is for everyone, there are games that I don't like too Cheers to you !
@spaceinvader5576
@spaceinvader5576 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what "NierAssEnjoyer" thought of this video. I loved Nier btw but it is nice to see a different perspective.
@ericmc412
@ericmc412 7 ай бұрын
invisible walls was a real big let down, like big time. it took the fun of exploration out of it. dat arse was fire tho
@watashiwamosura
@watashiwamosura Жыл бұрын
I disagree with almost all of your points, but I will say that personally I never saw 2B as sexualized throughout my playthrough (in fact I remember only noticing A2's butt during her 'hacking' section near the end of the game) so it honestly really bothered me to see how people sexualize her outside of the game. I love the entire DrakenNier franchise and Yoko Taro has a great sense of humour (Drakengard 3 is hilarious) so I get it, but I do personally feel that it undermines the message of her being more than an object. I really hate how she's been reduced to a talking sex toy after the entire game is an exploration of what it means to be human. Also although you might get tired of its grindy nature, it sounds like a lot of your issues would be addressed storywise if you played Nier Replicant which predates Automata.
@joemusashi7774
@joemusashi7774 Жыл бұрын
I thought she was pretty sexualised in the game as well but also in the anime which I watched. There was butt shots anytime she fought enemies. Lots of focus on her thighs and crotch as well. I'm fine with this sort of thing with characters like Bayonetta where she is a sexual character but 2B isn't. It just felt out of place.
@pit2992
@pit2992 4 ай бұрын
Finishing tbis game was just a chore to me - beating the same looking enemies for three playthrough, with two of them being almost identical, in a world that didn't had any interesting spot and a story that wasn't really for me. I would have probably loved the story when I was 15, but it felt kinda annoying to me: while I adore the characters, the whole "philisophy" thing just felt like it tried too much for me. The soundtrack was good, but I've... heard better. Definitely. Not a single track remained in my head. The combat system was really basic and, sadly, not fun: the boss fights were not hard, just annoying, and most enemies felt like damage sponges. I tried to like the game, I really did, cuz it's apoarently one of my friend favourite game, but I just... Didn't. It has some strong points, but not enough to make me like it.
@Hyp3rSonic
@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын
I have the same general opinion! I just don't see hoe that game is a "perfect masterpiece"
@oKenshinHimura
@oKenshinHimura 12 күн бұрын
Dont worry too much about it, just means you are concave skulled.
@neonbarnowl
@neonbarnowl Жыл бұрын
Would/have you played outer wilds? Some great story telling and world exploration. Would love to see your take on it. Love the video!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thanks Neon! I actually have it installed and I've been meaning to play it for close to a year. I have no idea why I have not yet :(
@neonbarnowl
@neonbarnowl Жыл бұрын
@MertKayKay Lol, I was the same, bought it and then played for maybe 10 mins before not touching it again for a month lol Glad I had some free time tho, it was so worth it. Really best going in blind Side note- Ahhhh! You replied!!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thankfully it's one of those games that the internet has collectively decided not to spoil, and I will go in blind when I finally do it! :D thanks for the recommendation Neon! (and of course! I do reply if I get a chance
@storageheater
@storageheater Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay Outer Wilds would 100% be my recommendation for "game attempts to do something a bit unusual and thought-provoking and succeeds" - i also slept on it for ages, entirely because all the positive reviews and glowing recommendations started to feel like a scam, nothing could possibly live up to all that. But once you start it's surprisingly easy to put all that to one side and just let it be what it is
@erwinmatic5062
@erwinmatic5062 Жыл бұрын
If anyone could help me, im late to the party and am having issue with my controller somehow reverting automatically to keyboard and mouse. Its annoying to have to alt tab to get the controller to respond again with automata. Have an I7 12700 and a 6800xt combo.
@erwinmatic5062
@erwinmatic5062 Жыл бұрын
Oh btw my game usually goes bonkers when I press the fast run button, R2, i think.
@skullysinful
@skullysinful 11 ай бұрын
Great review! only thing I didn't vibe with was that the intentional mispronunciation joke quickly got old after the second time
@ironmaidenmetalgod
@ironmaidenmetalgod Жыл бұрын
Dang, I really, REALLY disagree with this. But hey... we are all different. Automata was such a huge game for me back in 2017... never had a game make me feel the feelings I felt with this one.
@hedgers2005
@hedgers2005 Жыл бұрын
I got all the endings in this game and while I loved the music (I played Nier on Xbox 360 ages ago) and found the story interesting, I'll never play it again. I had issues with some of the combat mechanics and more anime elements and only pushed through because of my completionist tendencies.
@jezackr3500
@jezackr3500 Жыл бұрын
"NieR Autoglass repair..." almost did me in XD Thank you for the third day of the jingle staying in mu headTT
@swedensy
@swedensy 4 ай бұрын
I quit FF7 when we settled in slums under the city.
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