I wouldn’t want my son to be friends w him at all in real life, creepy vibe.

which is fine

Justice smith is a terrible actor.

I usually don’t enjoy his performances but he actually had a physicality and connectivity to this specific character and it’s probably the best I’ve seen him. It actually seemed like he did character work and developed something.

lol he was annoying in the quarry game as well

Beautifully stated!

This, exactly. You will either get it, or you won’t. I can understand why so many would be put off by this film, but for me, I got it.

Interesting, a Director that is Transgender, and has Gender Dysphoria,.. that said they sought to make an intensely personal film,.... made a movie like this. For me it brought me to tears with how much I resonated with it. I was literally Gobsmacked. The true horror of the movie though is not so much what is happening on screen. What happens on screen is just an approximation of what all Trans people struggle with daily. It's the fact that there are millions of people with Dysphoria that feel this....every day of our lives. Owen and Maddie represent two possible lives. A life of Transition and being genuine,... and a Life in the closet. "that all consuming, suffocating stagnation of feeling so out of place- knowing you’re out of place compared to those around you- and in response forcing yourself to fit what other people expect of you." It's the fact that there are millions of people with Dysphoria that feel this....every day of our lives. Owen and Maddie represent two possible lives. A life of Transition and being genuine,... and a Life in the closet. What I would like is that people that may not resonate with this film, take from it that this is how Trans people feel in our world. If you felt bad for Owen,.... there are millions of Owen's in the real world.

@@clarissanavarro2762damn, that was beautiful lol. I’m not trans but I resonated with this SO much. It could definitely become one of my favorite films.

Lots of people do not like films steep in symbolism. Also people get very insecure over queer stuff on the screen.

I took that conversation on the bleachers as everything in Owen's life being dull and not worth thinking about because he wasn't living as who he was supposed to be, not because he's literally asexual. We also see a lot of evidence of that being the case in the third act

I also felt he was possibly on the spectrum, I have four boys on the spectrum and my oldest is very high functioning- certain mannerisms and his speech/cadence when speaking reminded me of what I have experienced with my own children.

That is the beauty of art. I also felt that Owen was asexual, but I did not think it was autism. I know autism, and what Owen experienced had features in common with autism, the social anxiety for example. But there were no executive function issues,... no emotional deregulation,.. no sensitivity to different sensations. What I saw in Owen is gender dysphoria. Dysphoria has the social anxiety of autism, and many people (like myself ) that have gender dysphoria also have autism as well... but... Owen is a non-autistic trans person. There are many clues in the film to suggest they are a trans femme, even if asexual. (Some of them exist,... Not me, I live in the total and utter other end of the spectrum from asexuals ). While I get that many cisgender people may be struggling with how trans this movie is,... I think Jane ( transgender non-binary, they/them ) sought to provide us all a common _emotional_ language to talk to one another about the emotional aspects of transgender lives,...especially those of us that struggle with gender dysphoria. Not all of us do. BTW, I know people like saying that Non-binary people do not struggle with gender dysphoria, but that is so untrue. One of my friends is AMAB started transitioning to femme because they knew they were not a boy,... but then when they were heading into femme,... realized they were not a girl either... by that time they had a cuvy body with huge breasts, which they now want to have a double mastectomy, or at least breast reduction,... to address. They tell me that at first they hated being referred to as a boy (edited), they were misgendered constantly,.... until they started being referred to as a girl,...and did not experience the Euphoria they expected, but instead,...felt dysphoria. They realized at that point... Non-binary. Back on topic,... It is art. Everyone sees Art differently,.... but this is in my opinion, less art,... and more of an artistic attempt to facilitate a conversation that has been a Long time coming, and is much needed. I just hope that the cisgender people among us that did not understand it, can open their minds to Owen and Maddie's experiences with the above in mind, and maybe it can help them understand what our emotional lives are like.

Yesssss🔥

If definitely did not need to be high budget for what. It was very good kind of sort of like a connection movie

🙌🏻

Yikes, I thought both of their acting was awful and flat. Saw Justice in another movie earlier this year and he was the worst part of that one too.

Lemme know!

I think I know the scene you mean. If so, I dug that one!

Which one?

Just wanted to correct a couple things.... Owen is a girl. So just switch the "he/him/his" to "she/her/hers" and you got it perfect. There are more than enough clues to point to the fact that Owen is a repressing and non cracked trans femme egg. There is even a scene where their egg cracked. Yes this movie is about regret,...but regret about what? Regret of not transitioning and continuing to live an un-genuine life according to the rules that many around us seek to impose on everyone. I know many will disagree. But,... then they are ignoring what the Transgender director said about how they wanted to tell an intensely personal story about Dysphoria and Transition. In their words,..." Transition is traumatic." they wanted people to see that in an emotional language they might get even if they cannot totally understand why Owen breaks down,.... her breakdown is obvious, and Jane hoped that _that_ comes across to others around us tthat may struggle with understanding dysphoria.

​@@clarissanavarro2762I personally think it makes more sense to call Owen by gender neutral pronouns, because they're literally too repressed to be at any point of their gender identity journey tbh.

@@radiofloyd2359 hmmmm... and yet in their dreams they appear femme in a few spots. I am a trans woman that was "too repressed to be at any point in" my journey through my whole life,... I was still a trans woman. Just because for a Long time I was repressed did not suddenly make me gender neutral. Interesting point, but... there is more than enough in the film to see them as femme. Especially that scene where she is all glammed up in the grave. Not gender neutral at all. To be honest,... this seems a touch of " They did not say they were she/her so... must have been they/them." I think the same way that you saw the show as her seeking escapism as a form of dissociation, which I saw thanks to your pointing it out , we can see elements that show that she is trans femme.

@@clarissanavarro2762 I use gender neutral pronouns for people of whom I don't know the pronouns (unless they're obviously a man or a woman), and while the main character is definitely femme, I couldn't tell they were a woman, if that makes sense. Like transfem enby people exist as well! Anyway, I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to these things.

@@radiofloyd2359 The difference is, that while that makes sense from the perspective of..." if all we have to look at is how Owen behaves and presents and things they say..." Then yes.... using gender neutral for her makes sense. Except that we see more...we actually see her dreaming.... When in the film do we see Owen as a woman? " in her dreams" which can also indicate how unlikely Owen thinks it is that they could ever be their true self... " I'm a woman??? in my dreams" Ummm.. exactly.

Either they ( not being trans) did not recognize them,....or else,... may have wanted to ignore them. I would like to believe that it's the former. But I can understand that for some it would be the latter. There are a few among us that want to believe that dysphoria is not real. Since Dysphoria is not real in their delusion,... then this movie cannot be about dysphoria,... so... it has to be about something else, even though 90 % of people that experience dysphoria say " this movie is about Dysphoria." Including the Director !!! So could they be ignorant of the fact that Jane is trans? Or maybe they are ignorant that Jane said this movie was about dysphoria and transition? Only they know. ( they used as a singular FTW!!!) /trans humor

no, not even close

We're fine with you not watching this movie. Some movies aren't for everyone. Some Like this one are clearly directed at a more niche audience that can appreciate it for what it is.

nope

candle cove wasn't the first time someone did what candle cove did; the show within a show trope is old

The trailers gave me major Candle Cove vibe, but the actual movie it’s self separates from candle cove pretty easily.

Not really, the show exists in-universe, the parents know about it, and it even hits streaming

Why is that dude in every movie?

I'm curious what about him do you find creepy?

@@prathapkutty7407 just gives me an uncomfortable feeling, like he’s very insecure in real life and if he did something troubling I wouldn’t be surprised but hopefully I’m totally wrong

I can’t figure out why he’s been cast in anything! His acting sucks.

This. I didn’t even understand it was about being trans until after I went home to see if I am the crazy one who just didn’t get it or like it.

Nahh big dog, I’m older than that lol

I can't wait but it's gonna be a long one, from the UK 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈

Same. I was disappointed because someone reviewed this months ago and said it was their favorite movie of Sundance. Both of their voices was annoying and the story didn't keep me in.

Me too

Let me guess…you guys are teenagers ?

@@mbryanf I'm 25 turn 26 in 2 weeks so I don't know what you're on about. I've watched a lot of movies in my lifetime and been to film festivals. Even Austin didn't like it and he's a married man with a kid so stop with your generalizations. The two gay men from Fish Jelly Film Reviews KZfaq channel even said they didn't like it. Everything ain't for everybody.

@@mbryanf I'm 32.

Except for those of us that have similar tastes to the people reviewing the films. Not every movie goer likes sundance film festival movies. This only "hurts" the movie in that it may not draw in the people for whom the film was not intended. Just a thought. It's Like... If I through a party for Trans people, and invite a Lot of trans people with imagery and art that is trans specific,.... and the invites are found by cis people that are put off by it,.... does that mean that the party is " hurt" because no cis people showed up? I am by no stretch saying this film is not for cis people. It very much is for you if you have an open mind to try and understand it for what it is.... an emotional Rosetta Stone for cis people, about the Transgender experience. Transgender people will apreciate it, because we are fluent in Egyptian Heiroglyphoics... metaphorically. But this film helps us to communicate with the cis that may not understand what dysphoria feels like,... by giving us something that they can emotionally grasp for... " When Owen was experiencing this.... that is exactly how I felt when...." type of conversations.

For me the best film of the decade so far.

They block blue light, prevent migraines, and my wife likes them. I could not give af what you think about them lol

@@AustinBurke Ignore the haters, they look awesome and complement your style.

I like em

How....where??? or are you just trolling?

No, It is Not Transphobic to hate the movie. Feel free to hate it. Some movies are made with mass appeal in Mind... in fact 98 % probably are. You have a LOT of movies that are being made with you in mind. This just does not happen to be one of them.

It's not transphobic to hate the movie, but it does disturb me a little how seemingly incapable a lot of cis people seem to be of empathizing with queer themes.