I tried 'Shadow of War' again without the loot boxes…

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Middle-earth: Shadow of War is a 2017 action-adventure video game developed by Monolith Productions and published by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment. Shadow of War is the sequel to 2014's Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor, both of which are based on J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium. The game is set in between the events of Peter Jackson's The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings film trilogies, from which the game also takes inspiration. The player continues the story of Talion, the Gondorian Ranger who bonded with the wraith of the Elf Lord Celebrimbor, as they forge a new Ring of Power to amass an army to fight against Sauron. The game builds upon the "nemesis system" introduced in Shadow of Mordor, allowing Talion to gain followers from several races of Middle-earth and command them in warfare.
Shadow of War expanded on the scope of Shadow of Mordor by introducing new game mechanics and extending the nemesis system, which procedurally generates orc characters for players to fight and recruit. Compared to its predecessor, the game features more light-hearted moments, and the five regions were designed to be bigger and more colorful. Locations in the game were inspired by the landscapes of eastern Washington, Alaska, and Iceland. Troy Baker returned to provide the voice of Talion, while simultaneously serving as the game's motion capture director. Other cast members include Alastair Duncan as Celebrimbor, Laura Bailey, and Pollyanna McIntosh.
Announced in March 2017, the game was released worldwide for PlayStation 4, Windows, and Xbox One on October 10, 2017. Shadow of War had a generally favorable reception from critics, albeit more mixed than its predecessor. Reviewers praised the gameplay and improved nemesis system, while criticizing the game's microtransactions (which was removed in a post-game update in July 2018) and story, including changes to characters seen in Tolkien's books. Many critics noted that the game's increased scope caused it to feel bloated. The game was the best-selling video game in the United States in its month of release. Monolith supported the game post-launch with free updates and two story expansions.
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@bruh4557 9 ай бұрын

Wish we got another one in this series instead of Gollum

@MohseenLala 9 ай бұрын

I wonder where they'd take the story, pretty definitive ending.

@KratosisGod 9 ай бұрын

@@MohseenLala They pretty much covered all loose ends with the dlcs as well so it'll have to be a completely new plot setup along with characters.

@jphineas 9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately most publishers won't justify investing into a game this expansive unless you can prove ROI and monetization

@djolegusman 9 ай бұрын

gollum wasn't made by these people nor is it in the same in game universe

@NoMansLand98 9 ай бұрын

I wish we get another gollum, it's game of the year material...

@the_real_Kurt_Yarish 8 ай бұрын

I remember in Shadow of Mordor having an orc nemesis that returned from death 5 or 6 times and would seemingly always pop back up when I least expected him. It kinda became like an inside joke for me. Having that kind of dynamic, unique relationship with a foe in a game was so powerfully enamoring that I still remember it to this day, despite not playing for years. The Nemesis system is such a fascinating mechanic and could be the recipe to something incredible, and seeing it vanish from the industry is a shame.

@Kio-Fox 7 ай бұрын

I had one come back for almost every single mission in my story from third mission coullusium mission I can’t spell

@roberthansson8222 6 ай бұрын

The nemesis system with ai assistance would be quite interesting.

@detach103ff4 6 ай бұрын

Didn't they patent it? And sued some other game that tried the same??

@the_real_Kurt_Yarish 6 ай бұрын

@@detach103ff4 They did patent it, but I'm unaware if any other developer has tried to replicate the system.

@CorinFriesen 6 ай бұрын

I believe an upcoming Wonder Woman game by Monolith is supposedly going to be using it

@Foreseer117 9 ай бұрын

Played it Day 1 and I loved it. Never spent a dime and completed the entire game with the post game battles with only the orcs I got in the game.

@shadowlLink 8 ай бұрын

Right? I remember the loot boxes just being ignored and loving everything else about it

@Charybdis47 8 ай бұрын

bro me too.Altough the 10 stages of shadow wars were kinda rough. Only realized it after they changed it to 3 for the people who didnt have as much freetime as we did lol

@matthewrobertson5342 8 ай бұрын

True but the true ending was worth the grind

@Charybdis47 8 ай бұрын

@@matthewrobertson5342 yeah true one of the only videogames that got tears out of me

@derekhandson351 6 ай бұрын

Eh, I couldn't get into it since they didn't rebalance it after getting rid of the microtransactions

@ed4348 9 ай бұрын

At the end of the game you are just kind of handed an overpowered necromancy set as a bit of a "well done you beat the game" and that armor set completely changes how you play the game. Overall the game is amazing with so much to do like turning every orc in an enemy citadel into a spy and then waltzing on in there to no resistance

@drointhewind480 7 ай бұрын

I love the necromancy set, basically a sith lord now lol and the mask is sweet

@comicfan3133 5 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly with the same reward comes an massive upgrade to the starter weapons, wich was very neat, because his "dagger" was the broken sword of his fallen son, which he used solely in shadow of mordor. At the beginning I thought it was a bit sad, that this Weapon which symbolized the bond between Father and Son got useless so quick. But after it was Upgraded I was more than happy.

@riplix20 2 ай бұрын

@@comicfan3133I’m happy to hear this, I also feel dirty using anything other than acharn. Do you get to wear his wife’s cape?

@Skeleton52925 2 ай бұрын

@@riplix20yep

@OnlineEcosystems Ай бұрын

The necromancy skill is utterly fantastic. At level 72 I can take down almost any orc that has weaknesses, with different effects on my revenants.

@fernandes327 9 ай бұрын

This game aged very well. Absolutely love it

@MrREAPERsz 9 ай бұрын

Yeah it's really good. The orc captains carry this game

@Gilmore74 9 ай бұрын

Great game

@LIMSAkaRiorulz 8 ай бұрын

This game deserves the Skyrim reboot. Imagine a reboot with no loot systems. It would sell like hot cakes

@DrClownPhD 8 ай бұрын

@@LIMSAkaRiorulz Disagree, you'd have to rework the whole system. It isn't just the monetization. It's that it suffers from an identity crisis. It strives to be one thing while actively doing another and at no point do they ever actually intersect I'd like to expand on this in an edit. Cyberpunk 2077 also suffers from an identity issue, but there are moments where both the immersive RPG it was marketed as and the ARPG that it actually is intersect and creates a really cool, unique experience. I feel like the Shadow of Mordor games are carried now after so many years because of the nemesis system

@sergiomendoza251 8 ай бұрын

Even the normal orcs in interactions out of cutscenes give them own opinions about anything like weapons,Talion,routine,ect.

@benelmore745 9 ай бұрын

I actually thought the core mechanics were so good that I never even thought about buying anything

@EH_1995 9 ай бұрын

Right. He’s over exaggerating how unbalanced the game was, buying the orc packs actually worsened your experience cus you cut out the most interesting part of the game - engaging with the nemesis system.

@synthetiCore 9 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@jonasking9587 9 ай бұрын

It's so engaging the developers want you to skip it entirely.

@PersonalBurrito 9 ай бұрын

@@jonasking9587 not the developers, the publisher... WB

@jonasking9587 9 ай бұрын

Corrected, and I appreciate it. You're right. I mean, probably. Still. Not interested in anything from Monolith anymore. Weird how that works.

@craftingtyre23 9 ай бұрын

I played shadow of Mordor and didn’t realize there was a sequel until way after they took out all the micro transactions. And looking at the game without ever feeling a micro transaction system, it felt great. Played for like 100 hours

@Legion12Centurion 2 күн бұрын

It is a very good game.

@kinkycarny9914 9 ай бұрын

Youre supposed to send your orc on missions and stuff to level them up while you tend to other tasks or help them with their task to ensure they survive. Helping them also aids in your "bond" with your underlings if you choose to engage with the nemesis system in that way. Sure you can grind out a whole new army if your guys are under leveled, but that is only fun for so long.

@believeinmatter 9 ай бұрын

The combat in this game and the first one is so satisfying. Only gets better as you progress through the game

@MrGamemaster-lm3tj 9 ай бұрын

for me i prefer talions look in mordor and some of his combat animations are not in war

@teneesh3376 9 ай бұрын

Biggest issue is that the counter prompt is kinda glichy. Not always working when it needs to. Same goes for the entire game

@cookdislander4372 9 ай бұрын

I love when the sword glows blue and you push 🔺️+ 🔵 for one hit kills

@kowaikokoro 9 ай бұрын

It definetly had moments with combat but besides those moments the game is shallow and as deep as an water puddle on the road

@MrGamemaster-lm3tj 9 ай бұрын

@@kowaikokoro I'll still play 100 times then the gollum game bullshit

@austinrader8135 9 ай бұрын

Upgrading an orcs level can be done by telling them to kill another captain, and if they succeed they will get like 7-10 levels.

@TacticusPrime 8 ай бұрын

They can't level past you.

@austinrader8135 8 ай бұрын

@@TacticusPrime I know, he was complaining that his orcs levels could only be raised by pit fights, I was just letting him know.

@docomega7862 8 ай бұрын

@@austinrader8135Yeah, I'm a new player to shadow of war, only something like 15-20h into the game, and I already know that pit fights are kinda the worst way to level up your orcs. They gain less levels, and you need to train the hell out of them if you want them to have a chance (and at my stage of the game, this is quite the investment). And they can die even to characters 10 levels under them just cause they are stupid, which means back to square one. Sending them to kill other captains is far better as you can make sure they don't die like hopeless morons

@dankmemes7796 8 ай бұрын

@@docomega7862orc fights are more for like . Hm let me pit all my guys together and see which one survives . He’s worth being in my army

@TheNeoVid 8 ай бұрын

That was my favorite exploit besides the infinite lootbox trick in the early days, and the 'recruited by remote' exploit that was recently found! My method for powerleveling Uruks was to find an enemy captain with an easily exploited Terrified weakness, and keep ordering my dudes to kill him. As soon as the mission started, I'd scare him into retreating, which meant my guy won the mission and gained the levels, but the target lived for me to do it again. If the target was enough levels above the guy you sent to fight him, your dude could gain up to 20 levels in a single mission! This also had the useful side effects of getting Talion lots of XP, and gaining a bunch of loyalty with your troops since you were assisting them in missions all the time. Edit: Oh, and the powerleveled one would nearly always gain the Enraged By Cowards trait, which is really good.

@synthetiCore 9 ай бұрын

I only discovered this game about 6-months ago and I really dig it. The gameplay loop is quite satisfying; so satisfying I never thought about buying something.

@AnupBhatt 9 ай бұрын

It was always awesome. Did I have to google how to grind efficiently ? Yes ! But it's not so difficult to figure out if one really immerses oneself into the game.

@sergiomendoza251 8 ай бұрын

And the personalities of the orcs is even better

@epicsponge7934 7 ай бұрын

You can’t buy anything anymore

@ColdStarr 7 ай бұрын

What do you mean? They took out the market place completely?

@elneto927 6 ай бұрын

Dude, the micro transactions have been reomove from the game since a long ago

@matthewjudge3763 6 ай бұрын

It's a really cool experience if you play in a high difficulty. The nemesis system works incredibly well if you die fairly regularly. This allows you to devep the orcs and create a sort of rivalry with them as they rise through the ranks and gain traits that make them even harder to kill.

@XPSprecken 9 ай бұрын

I have almost 200 hours on Shadow of War and it is one of my favorite games of all time. The microtransactions were a huge problem, of course, but when you really dive deep in the mechanics of the game you can feel the love Monolith put into it. The nemisis system, massive battles of orcs, RPG mechanics, a great protagonist, an over-the-top story that is nowhere near being canon with the books, and a world full of fun maps to explore just felt like a good time. I'll never forget what I felt after seeing the reveal for this six years ago as a kid and flying through the roof.

@cynical8464 9 ай бұрын

The Microtransactions were never a problem. They were so pointless that it made no sense to ever buy a single one. The biggest selling point of this game was the Nemesis system. Everyone loved it so much and they patented it.. So why does everyone claim they tried to pay money to get random orcs with random traits that would just die in their first fight? If you went out and actually played the game. You would find cool orcs. Orcs that could stay with you for ALL your sieges.

@Paradox-es3bl 9 ай бұрын

Were they a huge problem? I feel it was incredibly overblown.

@Pegarexucorn 9 ай бұрын

@@Paradox-es3bl so true

@Pegarexucorn 9 ай бұрын

@@cynical8464 SO TRUE!

@squishie9714 9 ай бұрын

@@Paradox-es3bl I think the original "P2W" drama originated not just from the loot boxes (which were completely unnecessary and avoidable anyway) but from the fact that orcs obtained from the loot boxes could be used in the PvP esque mode where you can siege other players strongholds and garrison your own stronghold using orcs from your playthrough. So in short it was massively overblown since it was honestly easier to just brand your own orcs rather than obtain them from loot boxes, although in saying that the very fact that lootboxes were included at all justified at least some backlash.

@Dizzy_420 9 ай бұрын

I would literally sell my soul for another game of this series, such an amazing game. Not even LOTR fans myself, watched cuts of the movies but this is something else man... Amazing crafted game imo, from the gameplay to the cinematics. Don't even care about the boxes tbh, has replay value with the Nemesis system, etc etc. What more you want? lmao

@BerzerkJaeger 9 ай бұрын

you should watch the movies they are amazing

@Grandmaster-Kush 9 ай бұрын

Shadow of War is one of the better games from a major studio in a long time, I have replayed it 3 times I think and it's all the nemesis system that carries it, people still crying about the lootboxes they removed what a month after launch or something like that?

@skye_music 9 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly you didn't have to even buy the lootboxes and you would enjoy the game the same lmao. It would give you better orcs but that is bypassing the game and making it easier which in the end you are making the game without the earning aspect which is bad. Edit. Oh and one thing people should be more mad about the battle passes. Why? Because it uses fear of missing out and you cant earn items in games just by playing. They are not even respecting our time

@LiveforHM 9 ай бұрын

@@Grandmaster-Kush you really dont get it do you? Removing the lootboxes after does not excuse their inclusion in the first place. That is short sighted thinking and is exactly the reason why game companies get away with their egregious practices.

@a-cutepotatodog4431 9 ай бұрын

@@LiveforHM would you rather them keep them in the game? Why are you getting pissy about a feature that is not in the game anymore

@robertrollins478 9 ай бұрын

Ironically enough I just did my first ever full 100% playthrough of this game. What a great game it is at its core. It's truly a shame that monetization killed the hype for it because it's fundamentally representative of how this genre should be developed and improved upon. I loved Shadow of War and felt like it was well worth my time.

@cmike123 9 ай бұрын

I loved this game. I actually did ignore the loot boxes and just played around the systems. I loved how some orcs would just be immune to certain types of attacks or would Rage + Regen if you tried something that is usually OP like releasing a caragor. I also died a ton to randos trying to make certain styles of kills or I'd get crippled by a wild twist like getting hunted by an adversary, or getting betrayed at a fucked up time. It was great. They need another game with this Nemesis system. Probably not another Shadow game, but either a new or at least different IP.

@realamericanman 6 ай бұрын

Warner bros has the nemesis system patented, but I’m pretty sure they’re going to make a Wonder Woman game or something similar with the system

@cmike123 6 ай бұрын

@@realamericanman them boys are throwing away completed films (the Wiley Coyote one). I wouldnt hold my breath.

@uglahboi6074 5 ай бұрын

The orcs ability to adapt was super fun to play around as well. If you spammed a move too much, the game essentially takes it away from you and forces you to approach the fight differently. Granted, there were some times that this system felt oppressive - in a raid I once had the war chief (who was already immune to many of my abilities) adapt to one basically all my sources of damage. I spent 15 minutes fighting this dude to no avail. Luckily I had a savior who finished the overlord just as he was about to kill me, but if I hadn’t it would mean restarting the raid and losing a bunch of time because I couldn’t physically damage the boss. In any case, this game was GOATed

@ChaseSchleich 9 ай бұрын

The fact that WB has never really used the Nemesis system since War really highlights the problems WB has been having since War launched. Nemesis would fit so many of WB's IP perfectly and they've never done anything with it. They also trademarked the system, meaning other developers couldn't use it either, so we haven't seen it anywhere. Sad to see something that was set to expand gaming just sitting on a shelf untouched all these years later.

@edot7266 9 ай бұрын

Honestly hate it. The nemesis system would be beautiful in alot of newer games coming out(Starfield)

@tgbbegttg5018 9 ай бұрын

i still think that trademark totally bullshit to this day, like what kind of logic about law can allow this.

@elvickRULES 5 ай бұрын

It’s such bs they can patent concepts in games at all. It stifles innovation and progress. I bet we’d have a lot of options if not for that.

@wetnoodleman8166 9 ай бұрын

just a tip for anyone, dont kill or dominate every orc you see because that basically ends their story. Yes if you kill them they have a chance to come back and if you dominate they can betray you but you get more story from an orc the more interactions you have with them.

@PentaHousen 8 ай бұрын

What's other choice? I find every orc text kinda boring after 10h

@matthewrobertson5342 8 ай бұрын

Also you can't recruit higher lvl then your character

@justwatchinfunnyvids 5 ай бұрын

Yea so what should you do just run away?? Or what?

@matthewrobertson5342 5 ай бұрын

@@justwatchinfunnyvids shame shame! Shame!!!!

@someclevername8167 2 ай бұрын

I once had one of my captains die once and then he came back, but he was still on my side. Made me very happy lol

@NoyziNeighborz 9 ай бұрын

I didn't know about the state of this game at launch... I discovered it in 2020 and loved it. I still go in and defend a fortress a few times a month.

@avb19d6 9 ай бұрын

One of the best games to just go back into and have fun. It’s always slightly different and unique.

@slay-many-foes1160 9 ай бұрын

I love this game and the fact they added extra free content like Nazgul Masks really showed that the developers cared I played since day one never had a problem loved every second I truly hope we get another game in the series would recommend gets 10/10 for fun!

@Riotdrone 9 ай бұрын

i remember playing this game without buying any loot boxes and having a great time

@jasonstiles7672 9 ай бұрын

“Shame him so you can grind against him in the future.” -words to live by.

@aryantaneja3192 9 ай бұрын

Started playing it again a few weeks ago while waiting for Baldurs Gate. I ended up assigning a legendary orc with legendary bodyguards at every outpost and I just had a blast playing online conquests. Sucks that a great developer like Monolith is stuck under WB's greedy thumb

@siah8906 9 ай бұрын

Best game system ever

@maineman5757 9 ай бұрын

Too bad it will never be used again.

@stephenthedude4383 9 ай бұрын

@@maineman5757😭

@awsomeboy360 9 ай бұрын

@@maineman5757 Wonder Women game.

@Gokulosestoavirus 9 ай бұрын

The betrayal aspect drove me away. I don’t have the time and patience to put work into a game and find a character, only for the game to say “you can’t have that anymore”. Being a father of two teenage girls will really change you.

@Gokulosestoavirus 9 ай бұрын

My girls were 11 and 7 when this game came out

@wetnoodleman8166 9 ай бұрын

you can get them back but if they gain the iron will trait you need to shame them until they loose it no orc is every truly off limits

@Gokulosestoavirus 9 ай бұрын

@@wetnoodleman8166it’s still too much work nowadays. Especially with cheer practice, dance practice, my 17 year old plays sports and is starting college, so there’s those events. I literally don’t have the time or patience to even attempt it. I don’t want to experience putting the effort in getting a perk, lose it, and then more grind less hours to get it back. That’s my definition of sun. If that’s yours. Go for it. Enjoy it, man.

@cold-wolf 7 ай бұрын

betrayals mostly happen when you get too many orcs in main pool of the region. try to not dominate every orc and you'll not have many betrayals I usually keep 6-8 in main pool, I know for sure game will trigger mass betrayals if you dominate almost 100% orcs in a region (cause you need someone to fight) also die less cause orcs don't tolerate weakness, they will betray you if you keep dying. Being humiliated by other orcs is even worse if they happen to be nearby to witness it it's guaranteed they'll betray you right away.

@onslajoueqc 9 ай бұрын

I had the chance to play the game the first time when all microtransactions were removed. One of my best gaming memories.

@geraltofbolivia9428 9 ай бұрын

This game is so incredibly fun I still come back to it for the gameplay alone. Even though they went and changed the lore I still enjoy this game as pretty good fan fiction

@darkron288 9 ай бұрын

Here is the thing with shadow of war in comparsion to alot of other loot box trash, the game is solid and was clearly design around not having loot boxes in the game, you can tell it was wb's decision to force loot boxes in, so the second loot boxes were removed nothing really changed, Shadow of war at base is pheonimal and if it launched without loot boxes it would been praised as one of the greats of the generation.

@TheMasterMind144 9 ай бұрын

Spot on. The entire loot box argument falls flat when you realize one simple fact: this game has difficulty settings. Is something too hard or taking too long? Just lower the difficulty. No other game that wants to persuade you to buy loot boxes has difficulty settings. The game was likely already finished when WB came up with the shop, you can tell by how the whole game is designed.

@mattfarr137 9 ай бұрын

I luckily never played it until about 3-4 years ago after they had ended the micro transactions and I thought it only Improved from the first one. A perfect sequel

@myrvharon4775 9 ай бұрын

I have to be honest, I played this game to DEATH. From the beginning till the time lootboxes were completely removed. I have never noticed much about the lootboxes or about the aggressive lootloop. It was an absolute blast for me. This reminded me that I will have to play this game again someday. Great game all around for me even back in the day!

@anonymous_dot_com2326 20 сағат бұрын

Thats because most people who complained about the lootboxes didnt even play the game... Luke Included... As soon as they heard loot boxes, they never even gave the game a chance.

@rOxinhoPKK 8 ай бұрын

In shadow of mordor the orc bosses actually roamed around the map and sometimes would get into fights and even die on their own, I didn't see that while playing shadow of war

@Chamber37 9 ай бұрын

I've just started playing this game after Shadow of Mordor and its top 10 game for me personally. Love the Nemesis and the developed orc classes. Talion the strongest mf in Middle Earth after Sauron 😅

@spartangaming1159 9 ай бұрын

For me the loot box system wasn’t even that big of an issue cause for me I can roam around the area finding recruits and not to mention with the shadow wars you could just recruit them so I never fully understood the problem. Sure it might’ve been a grind but I felt it was fair and I never spent a single penny on the game cause it was so fun to find enemies rather than buy them.

@zerg0s 8 ай бұрын

The problem was that the entire customization of the orcs was locked behind the loot boxes. The loot boxes had stuff like giving your orcs a posse, or flaming weapon, or even traits like “can’t be grappled”, stuff like that. The orc system could have been so much deeper if they put ways to customize your orcs into the actual game, rather than just into the loot boxes.

@matthewrobertson5342 8 ай бұрын

You get those on online modes

@elvickRULES 5 ай бұрын

Glad you don’t make decisions. The game is better without them. Though would’ve been even better if it never had them.

@justingabriel1765 5 ай бұрын

I still think the nemesis system is one of the most fun world building things they did. I still remember when I played the first game before this one, and there was a dude who just kept coming back and killing me, and so when I started this game that same orc ambushed me and started messing with me in this game, that was so cool. Creating your own little story lines is the funnest part of this game

@pb602 8 ай бұрын

I have over 1000 hours in this game and still love playing it till this day. Also Gravewalker mode is the best!

@TyZeHD 9 ай бұрын

I played it a few years after it came out and absolutely loved it.

@rocketscientist14 9 ай бұрын

This was my favorite game the year it came out. I still go back and play it from time to time because the nemesis system is so badass

@GantaaOhime 5 ай бұрын

My experience replaying this recently was largely... I loved the core, but it quickly felt like a tredmil of sameyness. I think the fact that on the hardest difficulties, even just nemisis, major orcs become just tedious healthpools with swarms around them

@SolidSnake240 3 ай бұрын

Yea it's a solid game but I just got bored before I ever finished it

@OfficerHuey 9 ай бұрын

Shadow of war is hands down on of the best games I’ve ever played. The story is fine, but the gameplay is spectacular, it’s so fun. I’ve replayed it too many times to count. Lootboxes really weren’t an issue at launch, but I’m glad they got rid of them anyway. Great game, always goes on sale, I recommend everyone play it.

@big-wood196 9 ай бұрын

This is hella weird literally just got back into this game after a good while literally 2 hours ago and you uploaded a video about it now 😂

@EM0RYTATEllll 9 ай бұрын

Always happens

@Philboh8 9 ай бұрын

I literally re-downloaded it a couple of days ago on Game Pass

@TheUltimateHacker007 9 ай бұрын

Algorithm telling us what we want to think and do. Quite fascinating

@austinrader8135 9 ай бұрын

I love this game so much, I wish they would make a 3rd

@thedudeabides3138 8 ай бұрын

I absolutely loved this game. It’s beautiful looking, plays really smoothly, has interesting mechanics and challenging enemies. It’s easily one of the best games I’ve ever played.

@slain1930 9 ай бұрын

I 100%ed this game during quarantine and can def see someone finding it too bloated but I actually wanted as much end game as possible, the combat and nemesis system on harder difficulties was fantastic

@bigtnaples 9 ай бұрын

This game is incredible. Was the first game I played start to finish on my Steam Deck. And well worth it. Would love a sequel to this.

@sampound6062 7 ай бұрын

I think they should make a new character.Not something already written.I think it would have been cool in a medieval times game.Maybe you play a a knight or something and the warchiefs are nobels.There bodyguards are knights.The captains would also be knights.The commanders or overlords of the places are kings

@maineman5757 9 ай бұрын

The worst part is you can still tell that the core gameplay economy was designed around a grind.

@TacticusPrime 9 ай бұрын

Certainly the end game is.

@cynical8464 9 ай бұрын

The core gameplay was designed around the Nemesis system. Most fans didn't care about anything other than that. If you think that's a grind then you didn't enjoy the game.

@maineman5757 9 ай бұрын

@@cynical8464 okay

@cynical8464 9 ай бұрын

@@TacticusPrime Do you know what the biggest feedback from actual fans was? To make it last forever. Shame this game was tarnished by so many simpletons and bandwagoners.

@TacticusPrime 9 ай бұрын

@@cynical8464 There are tasteless lunatics of every stripe, no doubt.

@rasenche4562 8 ай бұрын

My main issue with the game even after removing the monitization is the gameplay gets pretty samy over time. And grindy if you dont want to get your orc in another fortress to get steamrolled.

@scuproductions 9 ай бұрын

This is one of my favorite games of all time, and one of the only RPG style games I enjoy

@LadWithNoDad 9 ай бұрын

I really love the Shadow games, some of favorites that I always find myself going back to every few years

@oukeith 9 ай бұрын

Never understood the appeal to this game I played about 15 hours of it on playstation plus a couple years ago got bored and haven't touched it or thought about it since seeing this video

@gamer-px5cu 6 ай бұрын

You have to get over your own tastes to understand some things.

@CaptainIsNasty 8 ай бұрын

The pit fights for upgrading orcs is the way to go because you can go in their and send the weakest orc you have and then get free info on another orc to recruit if yours fails to win and level up. Best way to quickly level your army

@El_oso_demente 8 ай бұрын

I played this game for hundreds of hours and never knew it had micro transactions

@riofredericco7147 9 ай бұрын

I was in the middle of shadow wars when reviewers go crazy abt the lootbox and it got me worried at first. I went on and finished it feeling confused, since it really wasn't that grindy. might seem that way since ur orcs will be underleveled compared to the invaders, but there r a lot of ways to get through it without spending a dime. it wasnt rly that long either, i finished the shadow wars part in abt 4-5hrs. this game and mad max r some of the most underrated open world action imo.

@calijack2006 9 ай бұрын

Man, one of my favorite things to do in that game was definitely to turn a slave orc into an overlord. The nemesis system is what really carried this game I remember just having so many funny interactions, and it felt like every orc had its own type of story, especially when they get renamed by your actions, or if you die to them

@Memu_ 9 ай бұрын

I kinda miss the old system because of how hard it made the game. The late stage where your forts are constantly under attack was actually really challenging and I would often lose orcs and sometimes my forts entirely. With the new more balanced system the sieges are much easier.

@EnamoradoRage 4 ай бұрын

I'm in love with this game, I just can never get enough. Every time I play the time flies completely. Wish they would make like this again.

@anonymous_dot_com2326 20 сағат бұрын

They are working on a wonder woman game that will feature a more advanced nemesis system

@snbks4ever 9 ай бұрын

IBefore watching the video, I was there playing Shadows of War day 1 and then once loot boxes were taken out I've done a few more play throughs of the game and to me it never needed loot boxes and wish they were never introduced. I love the game as it took Shadows of Mordor and just took everything and expanded so much. The game is so enjoyable to play.

@Pixeleyes 9 ай бұрын

I tried this when it came out, I thought the endless sea of orcs and constant need to run and stealth literally everywhere to be tedious and anxiety-inducing. Its like if Arkham Asylum had bad guys everywhere that constantly respawn. It would not be fun, and neither is Shadow of War.

@awsomeboy360 9 ай бұрын

That's the point? Lol. You can go places that don't have orcs. If you build an army you can have fun with that the orcs literally fear you. This game doesn't play like Arkham Asylum so your comparison doesn't make any sense lol,

@CombatMeatHead 9 ай бұрын

@@awsomeboy360don’t try to convince people like this bro got a combat heavy game and got annoyed there was a lot of combat

@MrCovi2955 8 ай бұрын

I loved Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War. The nemesis system is the exact type of procedural content that normally consumes my life when I encounter it. But I felt that the nemesis system lost some of what made it good in Shadow of Mordor. In SoM you had a very small roster of captains to interact with, which meant you got to know them better. With SoW there were so many maps each with their own list of captains plus the captains related to the fortress that it felt like it was almost impossible to "get to know them." I knew more captains in SoM than in SoW. I think the stories were a little better in SoW, but there was so much static from so many captains that I lost track of stories all the time. "Wait, why are you mad at me? Have I killed you before" was a fun moment for me when it happened in SoM. However, there were so many captains in SoW that it became the standard for how stories played out for me. Which sapped it of some of it's value. Like a fantasy novel with so many plots going on that none of them stand out or are relevant.

@alexanderivarson856 9 ай бұрын

I was just thinking about going back to this game. The first one I beat on PC and PS4 and even platinumed on PS4. I loved it so much my sons name is Talion. But the microtransactions kept me from going deep into this game. You are my favorite gaming KZfaqr and I believe you just reinforced my desire to return to it 😁 thanks bro.

@swiftchancellor159 9 ай бұрын

I never even knew about the loot boxes until after i beat the game lol. game is a solid 9/10 for me

@mohammadrezamirzadeh4589 9 ай бұрын

I played it last year . One of my favorites . I had alot of fun. But The main story was so rushed in the end part if you know you know..

@umphreak9999 8 ай бұрын

I'd bet good money the whole epilogue was originally an outline for a 3rd game that WB axed in favor of live service loot boxes, which they ironically had to remove due to the intense and justified backlash

@mohammadrezamirzadeh4589 7 ай бұрын

@@umphreak9999 that actually makes sense

@teneesh3376 9 ай бұрын

I do hate how they patent the nemesis system. I get why, but the industry now is at a creative block and other studios could probably use this system to improve their game tenfold. Could even improve the system itself. Cause this system's biggest issue is that once orcs become allies, they sorta disappear

@Broken_valley 9 ай бұрын

Assassins creed did something similar with a merc system in the Roman one

@tgbbegttg5018 9 ай бұрын

@@Broken_valley Sadly they can't fully blow it because of WB bullshit trademark

@4evermilkman 9 ай бұрын

It's one if my all time favorite games. Ir doesn't have an endgame grind, that's the end game. I love redoing battle different ways with/for different orcs. It has an infinite endgame/multiplayer system

@kaitykimball1461 9 ай бұрын

I played this game as a broke college kid, so the card connected to the game never had any money on it. So even the gotcha stuff couldn't get me lol

@nunocorreia671 9 ай бұрын

i got shadow of war after the microtransations were removed, good sequel to shadow of mordor, nemesis sistem is better and its fun to play, i usually play until the true ending then i just start over

@Austinatw 9 ай бұрын

I never ever bought a lootbox from this game. I know everyone got upset when the microtransactions were there but I played the entire game, got all the achievements, and never touched the micro transactions. I don't even know where I would go to spend money in the game. I enjoyed every minute I played and I honestly forget that this controversy happened. Its so interesting the different experiences we can have.

@stanleylee3329 9 ай бұрын

Can’t believe they made Gollum instead of a sequel to this. Loved Shadow of War, they have super solid Arkham-like combat with some really awesome features such as the nemesis system which they’re the only ones allowed to make since they patented it. I really hope they make another game.

@Noblesix84 9 ай бұрын

I played after all the in game transactions were removed, and honestly I never had an issue with staying strong. My Orks almost always felt strong enough for what I needed and I never felt too weak to take on challenges as long as I was at an appropriate level. The only issue I could point to was the start of the epilogue but thats more of a surprise than anything else, so its hard to prepare for either with or without money

@xXZombieHunter0802Xx 9 ай бұрын

The biggest issue I had that seemed entirely money focused was the combination of Blood Brother and Iron Will. It would force you to lose Orcs constantly, then because they're leveled you would need to weaken them over and over and hope iron will get knocked off, and Blood Brother could be a hidden trait right up until you get betrayed. I don't mind betrayal, but it would just completely sweep away that Orc for any purpose, regardless of how much time you invested in building them up. That happens enough times, you're going to generate some Orcs with the lootboxes just to not go through it again.

@epicsponge7934 7 ай бұрын

I think it’s spicy things up

@cold-wolf 7 ай бұрын

there are ways to deal with blood brothers, send other orcs to kill them and don't show up in those missions yourself, they only betray you if you are present when their blood brother is killed.

@starseed3203 9 ай бұрын

I had no idea this game had controversies. I recently played and although it is basically a 1 to 1 Arkham clone/ripoff… I did indeed enjoy its core gameplay and that SWEET SWEET nemesis system with most enemies having unique personalities, strengths and weaknesses with them sometimes hunting you down while also being able to form your own army and such is what made me stay till about the end (didn’t COMPLETELY finish)

@savagebiscuit 9 ай бұрын

Played this recently and loved it. Didn't find it that hard to get higher level orcs. Chuck a weakling in a pit fight let him die and kill the winner after the battle

@HARLEM-NEWYORK 9 ай бұрын

This game is so good. I played it for the first time a year ago

@sikevillian 9 ай бұрын

Loved the gameplay in these games.. the second one I obsessed over hours just putting orcs to kill each other in death bouts.. oddly fun 😅

@Momoka7 8 ай бұрын

13:29 Trust me, that game having such a predatory store blew up back in the day when it launched. There are just not many videos SHOWING the store... but there was definitely enough talk going on. Which is why I never touched it to this day. The first one was much better. 14:50 It didn't get "bullied out of existence" at least for Shadow of War, they kept it running a couple years and then shut it down when it wasn't worth running the servers for it anymore.

@questmagister2220 9 ай бұрын

Love the videos, keep up the amazing work.

@scalpingsnake 9 ай бұрын

I tried it again recently after replaying the first game. It's really fun. My issue with it now is I am constantly looking cool moments, I want to fight orcs that have beaten me or ran away from me I want to collect powerful orcs but it gets old fast. Maybe this is an issue with the game being based on having a grind and then selling ways to speed up that grind or maybe it's just a preference I have? I ran into an issue of having my orc fight another one and it quickly got repetitive having to run to the area to watch it happen. Again though I am willing to admit that might just be my fault playing that way. I don't want to undersell the enjoyment I have with the nemesis system, I love it and I also love the fact it allows this game to actually have a different save system than just "reload last save" I think more games need to change up that formula.

@ChipMatthews 9 ай бұрын

I played this after the loot boxes had already been removed. I never finished it but I loved the mechanics. The combat is so fun that it's a perfect sandbox to just jump into for an hour or two when you feel like taking out some frustrations after a rough day. The core of the game is fantastic. It's a shame they nearly ruined it with excessive greed.

@Ribcut 2 ай бұрын

Most underrated game of all time. It felt like I was playing a different game based on the reception it got.

@chahal6356 9 ай бұрын

I loved this game back when it was released I don’t even remember the lootboxes

@datinator1200 9 ай бұрын

Same

@ChadnikLovehand 5 ай бұрын

Really interesting to hear how the game was recieved when it first came out as well as the state it was in. I played it way after it came out and it ended up being one of my favourite games I ever played.

@thePaloo 9 ай бұрын

This was perfect timing because I've been playing this for the first time after only playing for 5 minutes a year ago and i might be my GOTY before Spider-Man 2

@ArkhamJacks 9 ай бұрын

It came out 2017

@thePaloo 9 ай бұрын

@@ArkhamJacks sorry meant game i've played that i enjoyed the most this year

@DanteMayCry-qv5kf 9 ай бұрын

@@ArkhamJacksthat's why he said his goty. His favorite game

@renatoribeiro6311 9 ай бұрын

I got this one on steam for about 5 bucks including all DLCs. The most fun game i've played in a while, would've easily payed full price for it.

@ChickenJoseph 9 ай бұрын

After all these years this game is pretty much a sandbox I like to play in every now and then. Maybe in 12 years a competent publisher will give the nemesis system a go… thanks a lot WB

@oopomopoo 9 ай бұрын

I played this like heck when it launched and loved every minute of 200 hours and not once spent money. Its crazy how your perspective shifts when youre part of a community online. Browsing reddit and such definitely shapes your view of content; I get that with path of exile every league.

@tylerhobbs7178 8 ай бұрын

Ive been playing this since it came out, and have put more hours into this game than any, it has endless replay value to me and I love it, and regularly look for a part 3 that may never come, but I’m glad that ppl are still talking about it 6yrs later

@EmilSua133 9 ай бұрын

The real shame is that the nemesis system needs to be in more games, and unfortunately WB has the patent on it and they havent created a new game that utilizes the nemesis system

@stevebob240 9 ай бұрын

Allegedly the Wonder Woman game will include it, but it's been years since we've heard anything about it. I agree, it sucks that a system like that can be patented.

@calijack2006 9 ай бұрын

Oh my God, I remember the endgame grind just to get the ending so many frustrating hours of constantly defending and attacking. I remember getting so frustrated any time I would lose a siege or die during a defense because it just meant spending more hours, grinding up my orcs, and using infiltration tactics just to take the place back

@KerryCronic 9 ай бұрын

loved the first one. I played this one for the first time a few months ago and thought it was decent enough. I didn't really notice a lot of the monetization stuff you pointed out probably just cause i'm so use to tuning those things out in general lol buuuuuttttt i thought the game was decent buit i definitely enjoyed the first one much more.

@jonbodhi 9 ай бұрын

One of my favorite games of the PS4 generation. I just finished a third play through and enjoyed it as much as the first. I don’t get people saying they were ‘bored,’ because jumping on a dragon and roasting my enemies NEVER got old! There are SO MANY options and powers to use that I constantly switched it up. I played it on release and never even noticed the micro transactions that were supposedly at the center of the game. There was a LOT of bandwagoning around this game’s release, where everyone had to adhere to the group-mind narrative of the day. I never bought a single loot-box, or was asked to. All this game needed was a character-creator, because GODS was Talion a drip, ESPECIALLY when he’s surrounded by all these deranged, demented, DELIGHTFUL Orcs!!! Let me make my own character and wear some of the crazy-cool Orc armor! NOW you’d have a perfect game. I will probably play it again one day.

@HeyItsRykon 8 ай бұрын

Hey, I'm one of the few Speedrunners for this game. First I wanted to say you touch on a lot of the problems that still exist with this game and I really enjoyed the video. Couple of quick things I hope I can help clear up: The game is balanced around that 3% XP gain and using certain gems in your gear to increase XP gain, since your still at level 38 and (I assume based on the way you talked) you've have finished the Shadow Wars (EG:true ending) your level is really low, for example the current True Ending WR is the same level as you when they finish the game avoiding as much of the content as possible. The WB play XP signup it still works but you need to just enter any email into the actual game under the 'WB Play' game, it doesn't even need to be the one your steam/xbox/PlayStation account is assigned to. The loot boxes are still sort of in the-game, while you can no longer buy them, they are used as rewards for the online content (not the good ones sold for real money, just the cheaper ones), the garrison is also other hangover from the system which ruins the flow (IMO) of most of the game. The Nemesis system is returning the developers are making a Wonder Woman game and have stated it will be in it, however we don't know how cut down or changed the system will be for that game. There is multiple online components to this game which provide some variety, however its filled with 'hacked' orcs at the top end making it nearly unplayable. Thanks again loved the video please don't take any of the points above as negative, just trying to help clarify a few things.

@jrrocha532 9 ай бұрын

I’ve loved these games so much since they came out, it’s literally the first games I’ve ever wanted to 100% especially shadow of war

@tonydeluna8095 9 ай бұрын

Shadow of Mordor was a gem for its time. Shadow of War was ok not a great game, but not a bad one either. Unlike 2014’s Lords of the Fallen. That game has major bug issues

@EM0RYTATEllll 9 ай бұрын

I like the game I played it and I don’t buy in game purchases I completed the story and I’m Xbox player and I enjoyed it

@theepicduck6922 9 ай бұрын

Weirdly prefer the gameplay of the 1st until the later game of shadow of war then you really get to play w/ the bells and whistles. Play the pc version to play w/ all the upgrades.

@awsomeboy360 9 ай бұрын

Lmofa. Shadow of War is ABSOLUTELY superior to the first game. It's not even close. It has the better story and mechanics. What are you on?

@xavierrenteria8672 Ай бұрын

Great review . Thank you I was on the fence with this and another game

@gilvanroy8158 9 ай бұрын

Best thing about this game were the ads. "Not today Brian" & "Eat it Jerry" are so good

@lorddurden4189 9 ай бұрын

I loved shadow of war and when it was monetized it was incredibly easy to dupe gear to sell and you could even dupe orcs. So you never once had to engage with the paid bs. One of my favorite play throughs I ended up duping the tower orc who had gone insane and I put just him for every boss in my fortress. I would have loved to see the reaction from someone raiding it.

@rossboorman1560 9 ай бұрын

I feel the biggest mistake I made was playing this straight after finishing the first game, only played for a few hours to realise it's just the first game again with some extra bells and whistles. I'm not saying that either are bad, but it's one of those games that are so easy to burn out from.

@JKroozin71 9 ай бұрын

this game is a true stress releaver when it came thru to a cunning worse than death skill, them maniacs made me a maniac god

@justinkendall2461 7 ай бұрын

I’ve always LOVED this game. I’ve replayed it probably 4-5 times and I think it’s a masterpiece

@KratosisGod 9 ай бұрын

I am thankful that this era of gaming is behind us it was really getting outrageous between 2014 to 2017.

@arsh1920 9 ай бұрын

Bro definitely fortnite enjoyer

@MajeedBelle 9 ай бұрын

Things have gotten worse my friend. Everything has some kind of loot box crap inside of it. Even single player games. Battle passes out the a****** filled with s*** that should have been based and games right now. And good lord. Have you seen the gotcha games from mobile making their way to PC and console ? Gaming is absolutely worse and gamers themselves are absolutely worse.

@Pegarexucorn 9 ай бұрын

@@gharnsnatch4088 gotcha LMAO it's gacha but I honestly feel I should let you keep saying gotcha cause that's waaaaay better. Fitting too like "gotcha, gimme all your money" cause gacha games are cancer

@Pegarexucorn 9 ай бұрын

@@MajeedBelle You also said gotcha XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

@calijack2006 9 ай бұрын

@@arsh1920 I don’t get why so many people talk shit about Fortnite. Fortnite actually has constant updates and improvements to their game not to mention the events that are basically free every new season. Honestly, that game has better Contant and gameplay than fucking Apex or Warzone.