I've been asked FOR YEARS to do a WC3 Heroes tier list... Here it is.

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GrubbyTalks

GrubbyTalks

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I've been asked FOR YEARS to do a WC3 Heroes tier list... Here is it. (Live on 15-April-2024)
Looking for the Level 10 Warden game mentioned at 42:03?, here it is: • [LEGENDARY] NEVER. GIV...
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00:00:00 Intro
00:01:00 Blademaster
00:03:16 Farseer
00:07:13 Tauren Chieftain
00:11:08 Shadow Hunter
00:18:30 CryptLord
00:21:19 Lich
00:25:00 Death Knight
00:27:23 Dreadlord
00:29:35 Demon Hunter
00:31:55 Keeper Of The Grove
00:35:27 Warden
00:38:41 Priestess Of The Moon
00:42:23 Paladin
00:45:40 Bloodmage
00:51:52 Mountain King
00:54:00 Archmage
00:58:09 About Tavern Heroes
01:04:08 Beastmaster
01:06:30 Alchemist
01:09:26 Goblin Tinker
01:13:23 Firelord
01:14:50 Naga Sea Witch
01:19:48 Pandaren Brewmaster
01:23:33 Dark Ranger
01:26:12 PitLord
#GrubbyTalks #Thoughts #Tierlist #WC3 #Heroes

Пікірлер: 849
@MrDoesntmatter
@MrDoesntmatter Ай бұрын
I don't even play the game but I need that information
@markadamsolomon5871
@markadamsolomon5871 Ай бұрын
same😂 i prefer watching than playing nowadays
@nacholuke8236
@nacholuke8236 Ай бұрын
I don’t play either but I watched the whole thing lol
@anbuhyuga8299
@anbuhyuga8299 Ай бұрын
We have all installed the game after watching Grubby, thinking we can execute 1% of what he is doing. Then as soon as a fight happens, you completely freak out, A click in your whole army and get deleted while you're trying to just find and select your hero. Apm at 1 per day. I'll stick to watching Grubby thank you very much.
@TheLordboki
@TheLordboki Ай бұрын
@@anbuhyuga8299 Bruh, few years ago I went to internet caffee to play some vidya with friends. WC3 was chosed. I thought I had it since I played it my entire childhood. I got erased by a guy who said he played it a few times.
@DuduRossetto
@DuduRossetto Ай бұрын
Hear hear
@eren__morwen5947
@eren__morwen5947 Ай бұрын
Not me watching this instead of sleeping even though i last played this game a decade ago
@Deceit-hx7ey
@Deceit-hx7ey Ай бұрын
I haven't played WC once, yet i still watch these videos, something very soothing about them 😅
@alishadmand2040
@alishadmand2040 Ай бұрын
same bro, and i enjoyed it
@gamingexes4075
@gamingexes4075 Ай бұрын
@@Deceit-hx7ey Because grubby speaking about his craft is ASMR
@EwokPanda
@EwokPanda Ай бұрын
Same, except two decades ago xD
@planetary-rendez-vous
@planetary-rendez-vous Ай бұрын
Exactly this, why is this so interesting that u ruin my sleep over this :D
@SCEmissary
@SCEmissary 26 күн бұрын
To this day I find it funny that Priestess' picture shows her Tiger instead of the Priestess herself. 😸
@DaWanderer
@DaWanderer 19 күн бұрын
I realized this today lol.
@akosszilagyi2656
@akosszilagyi2656 15 күн бұрын
And that tiger is just a glorified horse. It doesn't do anything. No ability linked to it at all.
@alexpopescu8137
@alexpopescu8137 14 күн бұрын
She IS the tiger, just happens to let a night elf archer ride her for extra dps =)))))
@pimiento3428
@pimiento3428 13 күн бұрын
@@alexpopescu8137 you know too much... (casts shadow strike)
@reynoldswrap26
@reynoldswrap26 6 күн бұрын
To this day
@skadehlidooshii4272
@skadehlidooshii4272 Ай бұрын
This video is perfect to picture how good the hero protraits are great. So much personalities with so few pixels. Great artworks!
@GrubbyTalks
@GrubbyTalks Ай бұрын
💯
@kevingriffith6011
@kevingriffith6011 Ай бұрын
The only one I can complain about is Priestess of the Moon. Unless you think the tiger is the hero and the priestess is just an accessory.
@zurcburc
@zurcburc Ай бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011well, it is 😅
@kevingriffith6011
@kevingriffith6011 Ай бұрын
@@zurcburc Clearly the modders need to get out there and give the priestess a tiger head and put a giant night elf head on the tiger.
@aomafura3374
@aomafura3374 29 күн бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011 Well when you look at it from a Kid's point of view, that's the best part of it. I picked PotM every time because cool pretty Tiger haha If I saw a Sylvanas clone, I would've passed
@oscara1573
@oscara1573 Ай бұрын
-"Pitlord was a mistake" Grubby Miyazaki
@philippecote8571
@philippecote8571 Ай бұрын
"RaRa cleave, then they leave" -Grub'Tsu, Art of Warcraft.
@LaraCroft-nh9sw
@LaraCroft-nh9sw 28 күн бұрын
So out of context lol
@poilboiler
@poilboiler 27 күн бұрын
Noooo, they're one of my favorites! :'(
@alexpopescu8137
@alexpopescu8137 13 күн бұрын
Pitlord did nothing wrong :((((((
@jorne6863
@jorne6863 Ай бұрын
I don't play WC3 since many years now. But this game was just a bit part of my childhood and... I listened 1 hour straight even if it's kind of useless. I just loved to hear your explanations about so much things I loved back in the days. Nostalgia is so strong...
@RubenSC_
@RubenSC_ 22 күн бұрын
Just come back :)
@NoSlow78
@NoSlow78 Ай бұрын
I appreciate the historical background for each hero. I didn't realize they changed so much since 2003! Thank you!
@SirTatManTat
@SirTatManTat 29 күн бұрын
I also super enjoyed as a dota wc3 player that I could intuit a lot of what he was saying about heroes before he said it. Dota has a similar incredibly interesting history with balancing and many of these abilities are present in some form on various dota heroes.
@VKNoteMe
@VKNoteMe Ай бұрын
Grubby, you didnt mentioned one of the most important features of hex, as well, it changes armor type of unit to medium. So it takes additional damage from normal and 100% from spells and magic.
@faustomadebr
@faustomadebr 25 күн бұрын
And evasion is disabled, right? At least is how it works in Dota. Haha
@Hellwolf36
@Hellwolf36 20 күн бұрын
I... Never knew this
@TomXCZD
@TomXCZD 18 күн бұрын
This is not true unless it's been changed recently in Reforged. Heroes retained hero armor in hex when I used to play.
@cheeron
@cheeron 17 күн бұрын
I dont think it's a right feature
@jkirisu
@jkirisu Ай бұрын
18:18 It got changed back in 2011 with patch 1.25b: "Hex will no longer disable mana or health regeneration of Heroes."
@phoenixlich
@phoenixlich Ай бұрын
8:56 "Endurance aura effects every unit around him, fr fr, no cap"
@RatKing2137
@RatKing2137 Ай бұрын
End aura is bussin' making me look mid
@mackparker9064
@mackparker9064 Ай бұрын
enduranceauramaxxing ngl
@pepoaudi8253
@pepoaudi8253 Ай бұрын
Panda is the best neutral hero evasion and critical
@FrozenFacade
@FrozenFacade Ай бұрын
On god.
@ambion19
@ambion19 Ай бұрын
I think Grubby is not taking into account that the reasons he gives for feral spirit S rank are all much more micro intensive than any other S ranked hero. The early game that apm is affordable, but less so as the game progresses. Hard to put FS and AM side by side and conclude they should be the same rank.
@bryansweeney3077
@bryansweeney3077 Ай бұрын
You actually were right the first time. Cleave damage ignores armor entirely. You can see this against knights, which have very high armor. The pit lord will often be doing more damage to the knights that are cleaved than the one he is actually attacking
@IngensViator
@IngensViator Ай бұрын
lol the first time means is this his first correct statement?
@elrondmcbong6392
@elrondmcbong6392 Ай бұрын
which is also the reason stacking battle furys and attacking everything but the main target was a thing in original dota iirc
@Winnetou17
@Winnetou17 Ай бұрын
I guess the rationale is that the cleaved damage is the one dealt to the first unit, that is, after that one is reduced by that first unit armor, right ? Aka, to not be reduced twice by armor. Or the cleave damage is its base damage ?
@bryansweeney3077
@bryansweeney3077 Ай бұрын
@@Winnetou17 That's how you would intuitively think it would work, but I've tested it in the past and the cleave damage is based on the damage before reduction from armor. Cleave level 3 does 90% damage, so as long as the unit you're hitting has more than 10% damage reduction from armor, you're actually doing more damage to the cleaved units than the main one Example, with simplified values for clarity: Pit Lord is doing 100 dmg, with level 3 cleave (90%) PL hits a knight that has 5 armor. Let's say that provides 20% dmg reduction 3 other knights are within cleave range of the first knight The first knight will take 80 dmg, and the other 3 will take 90 dmg
@Winnetou17
@Winnetou17 29 күн бұрын
@@bryansweeney3077 Come to think of it, if it was as I said it in the previous post, you couldn't have done more damage to those behind, that was a brain fart on my part. Thanks for the info. I remember now from Sven too from DotA :))
@Chipawapa
@Chipawapa Ай бұрын
Holy shit! That story at the end was top notch. People who dont watch all the way through are gonna miss such a gem.
@Iustinfm
@Iustinfm Ай бұрын
46:45 "The moment you are starting to get su**ed... the su***ing continues for some time" getting me a bit flustered Grubby
@Murkshadow
@Murkshadow Ай бұрын
It is also really interesting because, like your tier list points out, Elf heroes really aren't that strong. You almost always have to go DH to try and shut down the enemy hero instead. But the race is entirely held up by the strength of Staff of Preservation. Staff makes it so ridiculously hard to get a pick and basically acts like a pseudo hero ability. Human also gets a Staff, but way later with a much longer cooldown and root. Something I think is really broken and underutilized, is picking up items from other races in team games. Staff on Orc is broken stupid, but you never even really think about running over to the Elf to pick it up. You can slap Orb of Corruption on your Shadow Hunter for a ridiculous hero killer. Or power creep with Salve, although your Orc will probably get big mad if you keep buying their stock. I remember making a 4v4 strat of just building Orc shops in my ally bases to supply them with fast expansions and healing salves, and business was boomin'.
@Roxar96
@Roxar96 27 күн бұрын
Why is that for the shadow hunter ? Do you mean hex change the armor type and the orb reduces it ?
@MrSmitejr
@MrSmitejr Ай бұрын
"breakers, sorcerers, and priests, and those three units just happen to be among the best in the human race" Not one human in them haha
@bryansweeney3077
@bryansweeney3077 Ай бұрын
"Once again, it's up to the elves"
@HellecticMojo
@HellecticMojo Ай бұрын
*Garithos noise intensified*
@marcinkusmierzak991
@marcinkusmierzak991 Ай бұрын
"humans" have 3 human units, 3 dwarfs, 4 elves, and 2 machines that should also count as dwarfs. Why do we call them humans?
@Lefuza
@Lefuza Ай бұрын
@@marcinkusmierzak991 It's a carryover from WC1 and WC2. The same way "Orc" has a bunch of other races as The Horde. But they're Orc as a race in WC3.
@shermanator00
@shermanator00 Ай бұрын
​@@Lefuzain russian localisation 2004 orc is "Horde" and human is "alliance ", although the translation is not accurate like Abomination called just butcher, it was old age of goofy translators but it made fun cringe moments for us pirates like Star wars kotor or gta sa earliest localisations
@189Blake
@189Blake Ай бұрын
Cryptlord was my favorite hero. I always thought it was amazing that in the middle of a fight he could use his swarm heal and be ready up for another fight. Kinda sad that he ended up that low. :(
@joshuakim5240
@joshuakim5240 28 күн бұрын
Tbf, it's mostly due to Crypt Lord being an Undead hero, meaning that its competition is ridiculously stacked. The general consensus for CL is that it's a good hero fighting for the hero slot against amazing heroes (because Lich and Death Knight are cracked).
@Carpatouille
@Carpatouille 24 күн бұрын
At least it's a better solo hero than Lich and most mercenaries
@alaron5698
@alaron5698 22 күн бұрын
Aww, now I'm sad on your behalf and also recognize myself a bit. I always tried going either Crypt Lord or Dreadlord first, as I think both of them are cooler than the Lich and certainly than the rather generic Death Knight. Leave it to pro players to stomp on the fun of mere mortals😅 I suppose that the consolation is that at lower ranks, you can probably do a great many unorthodox things and still get away with it, as what's optimal in pro play is so far removed from casual play that it is like two different worlds.
@kyraxx
@kyraxx 11 күн бұрын
Indubitably
@pho3nix-
@pho3nix- Ай бұрын
Many moons have I waited for this moment
@Carpatouille
@Carpatouille Ай бұрын
*Night elf music starts playing loudly*
@doctorstainy
@doctorstainy Ай бұрын
I have not been asking or waiting for this, but its about time we got a hero tier list from the lord of Warcraft. Now we also need a map and unit tier list. Very nice. This is so much more than just ranking heroes, this is like a tutorial for beginners and at the same time so much information for vetaran players.
@brickstonesonn9276
@brickstonesonn9276 Ай бұрын
I had to look up a video showcasing shadow hunter because i realized ive never seen big bad voodoo ever
@LemonGingerHoney
@LemonGingerHoney Ай бұрын
17:45 I think Fly yesterday, against Hawk, skipped Reincarnation, and went for 3 point in Aura. He got so fast and Hawk didn't even bother to attack TC, not sure if he realized that Fly went for 3/3 skills.
@kevin-7091
@kevin-7091 Ай бұрын
I mean, not attacking late game TC is not the strangest thing, even without reincarnation
@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ
@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ 29 күн бұрын
You forgot to mention for Blood Mage that his Siphon Mana can be used on friendly Units AND Heroes. And when you do that, instead of Blood Mage sucking their mana, he transfers his own mana to the friendly unit/hero. Which is extremely useful when your Paladin runs out of mana for example. And Blood Mage can afford to sacrifice his mana, cause he can steal it from enemies again, because of no real cooldown and cost.
@sdamer4609
@sdamer4609 Ай бұрын
If they allowed DK heal not friendly undeads, but friendly targets - that would be so much fun. For undeads.
@thebrokenmask8304
@thebrokenmask8304 Ай бұрын
I havent played W3 in like 10 years but I needed this tier list in my life nway.
@neonpeon7886
@neonpeon7886 Ай бұрын
I wouldn't put Crypt Lord at the bottom, he synergizes brilliantly with the other undead heroes. Cast death pact or dark ritual on a beetle and you get a lot of health/mana back, much more than a skeleton would give, and without wasting a unit that costs gold and wood resources. Also the dreadlord vampiric aura buffs beetles and you can use them to surround/trap enemy heroes with sleep. Also you can put him out in front of your army and let the enemy break themselves on his spiked carapace while you toss death coils on him and buff him and his units with unholy aura. He gives you an undead tank that death knight can actually heal, which is sorely needed prior to abominations.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 6 күн бұрын
Agree. He's outclassed by the DK/Lich bromance, for sure, but he's got some game. Early aggression via beetles and his tankiness, deals fantastic damage with his ult in longer games, and is absurdly tanky if he can get going.
@willyzh1106
@willyzh1106 Ай бұрын
Grubby's tier list actually makes a lot of sense. S = indispensable. A = very strong, usually best among options. B = makes important but non-critical contributions. C = highly situational. D = not ideal even in their supposed niche.
@crymaker9628
@crymaker9628 Ай бұрын
he s only wrong about dh
@Killcycle
@Killcycle 29 күн бұрын
​​@@crymaker9628 DH is S, isn't it??
@staceygram5555
@staceygram5555 29 күн бұрын
So FS should be A, then.
@saw31489
@saw31489 23 күн бұрын
​@@staceygram5555FS?
@DeaddMax
@DeaddMax Ай бұрын
One of the great things about you Grubby is how well formulated and thought out comments and ideas are. I might have not played ladder W3 for at least 10-20 years, but I really do enjoy your explanations and context.
@MondSemmel
@MondSemmel Ай бұрын
This was a fun video! And surprisingly educational about WC3, too.
@Hoop248
@Hoop248 Ай бұрын
I’ve seen so many hero tier list I didn’t think I’d enjoy this… now I need more! Give us HOTS hero tier list Grub! ❤
@AdraVY
@AdraVY Ай бұрын
Really helps that this is probably the most well presented and most informative wc3 hero list I've seen, clearly done by someone with both extensive top level experience and a nice presentation style. I've tried looking up wc3 hero lists before and the others just dont do it for me. More pls lord grubs! Unit tier list, campaign missions tier list...anything
@mickeyromeo
@mickeyromeo Ай бұрын
Ultras would be under D
@zytha2890
@zytha2890 Ай бұрын
Pitlord is bugged btw his rain of fire damage values are wrong when you check it in the editor which is why its weak no matter what rank it is When you do some quick math and make the changes it works like its stated lol
@Nuggetheadification
@Nuggetheadification Ай бұрын
Havn´t played War3 a decade yet all these hero icons and spell icons are just so iconic, they live rent free in my mind
@georgeousguy
@georgeousguy 28 күн бұрын
Also, tho im not sure how it is in english, but russian localisation is a masterpiece of a kind, I still can immideately remember any unit phrase or even voice, its amazing, hope it was as cool in english
@rshreyas28
@rshreyas28 Ай бұрын
Says Blood Mage is the most underrated hero, then immediately proceeds to underrate Blood Mage :D pretty much agree with all the other placements (Orc heroes imba). AM/Beastmaster vs Orc brought back some good memories haha, it was my bread and butter back in the day.
@Matthew-uv6gl
@Matthew-uv6gl 27 күн бұрын
I think the problem with BM is not so much how he is as a hero, but how important AM is to get past the early game. There are a few heroes like that where they aren't bad, but you can't realistically use them because other heroes are forced choices. Much like the DK for UD, HU kind of need AM to remain competitive at a high level.
@SwayNoir
@SwayNoir Ай бұрын
I was never good at RTS but I remember watching a lot of the pro scene back in the day, including your games, and I don't follow the game now but a video like this is still super interesting to me haha. Glad it popped up on my feed.
@Copperkex
@Copperkex Ай бұрын
Don't be afraid , come with us on a journey, we almost always lose 50:50, I just came to aoe4. Not playing is passive ,like our parents, feel the adrenaline , feel life again ,don't be contempt , play ,win ,loose ,feel the excitement.
@AbdulazizACE
@AbdulazizACE Ай бұрын
WC3 is my childhood game, I used to suck and even now. Even that I don't play it anymore, I do enjoy your wc3 content!
@snakekeeper2073
@snakekeeper2073 Ай бұрын
"I AM HERO AND OBEY" -what i thought the blademaster was saying back then
@fuckingidiots2627
@fuckingidiots2627 29 күн бұрын
U telling me that he isnt saying that?
@Sprintspeed10
@Sprintspeed10 27 күн бұрын
wait what does he say?
@georgem589
@georgem589 27 күн бұрын
@@Sprintspeed10 "I will hear you and obey", I think
@BanoClan
@BanoClan 27 күн бұрын
My whole life’s a lie
@Dumballa
@Dumballa Ай бұрын
Appreciate the lesson. In-between the tier list you're still getting all the knowledge. The joy and utter fulfillment on that face from the 2019 clips 😀
@kbzoncapo777
@kbzoncapo777 Ай бұрын
I am still impressed by how much you know about the game and I love hearing you basically ramble and analyze all that information. I dont even play this game yet I cant stop watching your videos!
@SwayNoir
@SwayNoir Ай бұрын
Seen some people in the stream chat commenting about how in depth and how long this video is gonna take to make. GOOD, could listen to this kinda info all day lol
@lexbeats13
@lexbeats13 Ай бұрын
TC is my favorite hero
@mohammadalward6941
@mohammadalward6941 Ай бұрын
Oh yeah the shockwave is the best❤❤❤
@AntoniIvanov-rq7dy
@AntoniIvanov-rq7dy 23 күн бұрын
Maaan, my thoughts are all about the same like yours!
@OrpheoTV
@OrpheoTV 28 күн бұрын
Love this video - I honestly love your breakdown of the heroes and even though I played this 15 years ago, I'm seriously considering trying this again - Thanks Grubby.
@VegardKristoffersen
@VegardKristoffersen Ай бұрын
The background music added in this video is very appreciated. The Warcraft III music is underrated. Nice to have music to go along with good explanation of the heroes.
@vitaliyyakovlev4148
@vitaliyyakovlev4148 Ай бұрын
Azgalore should be in S+ tier unlike regular Pit Lords.
@zytha2890
@zytha2890 Ай бұрын
Regular pitlord is ok tbh The problem is he wasn't made correctly Check his rain of fire ability and then look at its damage values in the editor
@eafesaf6934
@eafesaf6934 Ай бұрын
​@@zytha2890i don't get it. Explain further.
@clemenscohn7371
@clemenscohn7371 Ай бұрын
Azgalor or Assgalore. Not Azgalore.
@joshuakim5240
@joshuakim5240 28 күн бұрын
@@eafesaf6934 The Rain of Fire spell on Pit Lord is mediocre to the point where in most cases it will do comparable damage by just auto attacking with Cleave. Him being a Strength hero also means he can't really spam spells aggressively so in 9/10 situations it's better to save his mana for Howl of Terror (an actually very good spell). Basically, having a mediocre DoT splash spell on a hero whose auto attack is splash makes the spell large redundant (and less versatile since it locks the Pit Lord in place while only able to rain on a small designated area). Another major issue is that the Doom spell, his Ultimate Ability, is a slow-acting debuff...which can be easily cleansed with Dispel Magic/Purge/Abolish Magic and it having a massively obvious visual indicator also doesn't help hide it. So the result is that, unless you're going against specifically Undead, the Pit Lord functionally only has 1 spell (Howl) and splash melee auto attacks. The amusing thing is that in the WC3 campaign, there's a special Pit Lord in the Reign of Chaos final mission, Azgalor, who has an entirely different spell kit (Shockwave, Thunderclap, Reincarnation, and Earthquake) which is substantially more dangerous because even 20 years ago, Blizzard's devs were aware of how unthreatening the Pit Lord's base kit is.
@kirksaintpatrick3921
@kirksaintpatrick3921 Ай бұрын
Please do a similar unit tier list!!! Loved this grubby
@squidikka
@squidikka 29 күн бұрын
This might be my second most anticipated movie release of 2024, next to pannenkoek's nearly 4 hour long video about walls in Super Mario 64.
@TheKiest
@TheKiest Ай бұрын
Great Video. I didn't know about the Hex effects like denying exp and mana regen.... incredible.
@oOH4deZOo
@oOH4deZOo Ай бұрын
loving the list, thanks!
@malt3aserz
@malt3aserz Ай бұрын
seeing this summary makes me realise even more so just how awesome wc3 is. The development team back in the date was fire.
@Dudarinho
@Dudarinho Ай бұрын
will be nice to see voting on how community sees these heroes in comparison
@mattmcgraw9458
@mattmcgraw9458 Ай бұрын
Grubby, I'm really happy to see this channel taking off. Your positivity and insights make all of your videos, regardless of topic, a joy to listen to!
@ryuudachi
@ryuudachi Ай бұрын
Last time I play WC3 was like 8 years ago but I need this hour and a half information for my incoming exam. 👍
@EuginidesGaming
@EuginidesGaming Ай бұрын
I've been dying for this video for like 10 years, thanks so much Grubster! Would love to see the ultimates tier list next! =)
@Vaxsysl
@Vaxsysl Ай бұрын
I turned this on while working on something. The audio itself was enough to make me want to reinstall the game and make yet another playthrough. Speaks how great the game is. Thank you for the vid Grubby, it is really interesting!
@theshinken
@theshinken Ай бұрын
Same! I immediately got an itch to try out all those heroes once again. WC3 is so great that I actually enjoy all heroes. Except BM and DH, from those I get 'Nam flashbacks instead.
@Nuvizzle
@Nuvizzle Ай бұрын
I don't think Night Elf having generally weaker heroes is that much of a hot take - the same logic of orc and undead being carried by their heroes is true of night elf being carried by moon wells. That's why they've historically been the race that uses tavern heroes the most. Honestly, it's because of moon wells that neutral heroes aren't a strong as they generally should be in my opinion, you basically have to balance neutral heroes under the pretense that they have access to moon wells.
@dutamulia
@dutamulia Ай бұрын
Grubby, have you ever heard of a custom campaign called To the Bitter End? I swear you should cover this master piece, it is a full game within a game.
@Vladimir5024
@Vladimir5024 Ай бұрын
Idk man. My bottom 50 ranked strat of solo TC destroying everyone works just fine! 😂😂
@hoihoi8
@hoihoi8 Ай бұрын
I'm a sucker for a tier list. I will watch all the WC3 tier lists, lol. Units, Ults, Maps, WC3 players of all time, etc
@Knuckles2761
@Knuckles2761 Ай бұрын
27:51 also gargoyles, skeletons, beetles, even acolytes, mercenaries and possessed. Dreadlord was clearly designed as fast farmer and support, devs just didn't think about even faster farm strats. Great design on paper, B/C tier in reality.
@ProtossHyrdalisk
@ProtossHyrdalisk Ай бұрын
Started listening to this on vacation while in shower.. FINALLY time to finish it! The moment many of us have been waiting for.
@Opus766
@Opus766 Ай бұрын
Really good editing on this one. Had to dig to find it though
@PoutyBun
@PoutyBun Ай бұрын
I need practice in RTS games in general but i have a passionate love for the genre, wc3 and good, applicable knowledge just watching you play and talk so keenly about your strategies and reasonings for things. You bet your sweet hiney im going to enjoy watching this list and educated guessing where heroes would rank!
@tbone9474
@tbone9474 25 күн бұрын
Havent played the game since a year after the expansion release, but i still love watching your vids. Keep it up:)
@PombaoDumau
@PombaoDumau Ай бұрын
Caught it ongoing on stream, decided to wait for video. Sweet.
@youratl_9367
@youratl_9367 Ай бұрын
I don't know if this changed since the Reforged version, but back then I remember Pitlord's Cleave ability bypassing armour and could actually deal more damage to the secondary targets than the main one if hitting a bunch of high armour targets, which is quite odd
@henrymapleton
@henrymapleton Ай бұрын
Mercenary tier list next! Also Alchemist and Paladin are a fun duo.
@luckylarry71
@luckylarry71 Ай бұрын
I remember not 3 years ago, Fly100% went BM + *PL* + SH (unsure on the order of 2nd and 3rd hero) in an Orc mirror against Lyn (I believe?) on Concealed Hill and it was absolutely glorious...! It was a one-off, no doubt, but in an Orc mirror with mass Raiders and Shamans, a bloodlusted PL with cleave and HoT was a real force of nature and a spectacle to behold.
@Khadgar07
@Khadgar07 Ай бұрын
I won so many games with my orc farseer and 3 grunts rush at first midnight back in the day. Then tinker came out and I won even more with the same strat in 2v2 using factory.
@kevjun252
@kevjun252 Ай бұрын
I really love that Glad you can bake it Uther reference. I laughed out of nowhere here in the office
@youngus
@youngus 19 күн бұрын
Reminds me of another beta moment when the dreadlord had mass teleport. If I remember correctly, he would turn into a swarm of bats with his units. It was so cool!
@TuristaArcsi
@TuristaArcsi Ай бұрын
Priestess of the Moon
@Randy1337
@Randy1337 Ай бұрын
:-)
@TheNethertyp
@TheNethertyp Ай бұрын
I would like to see you play a showmatch as Orc against a Human player, but the heroes of the races are switched, so you get Human heroes at the altar and the Human gets Orc heroes. This would be a fun way to test the relative strength of the races' heroes.
@linuswidell7659
@linuswidell7659 28 күн бұрын
How crazy is it that this game has existed for 20 years+ and this ranking video is uploaded the same week I search for it
@osraneslipy
@osraneslipy 27 күн бұрын
Grubby, I have been following you since 2005. But only in this in-depth analysis I have been able to fully appreciate your knowledge of the game and how complex WC actually is. Take care m8, you rock!
@HD-fc4ds
@HD-fc4ds Ай бұрын
Dunno why i watched this since i havent played wc3 in like 15+ years, but it was entertaining.
@DjTrustNo.1
@DjTrustNo.1 28 күн бұрын
1:31:02 you had me chuckle, but this is also why i always followed you since like forever. Authentic, at it, inspring and well mannered. Thanks for being around, Grubby!
@ViaTorrent123
@ViaTorrent123 28 күн бұрын
Such a pleasure to watch the whole thing, plus this tier list reminds me of old DotA hero portraits
@Defileros
@Defileros Ай бұрын
Thank you dearly for this tierlist, very in depth but also straight to the point, i am a NE Warden enjoyer btw
@MrLalabai
@MrLalabai Ай бұрын
I feel like Blood Mage is the most underrated hero. Maybe 20 years later he will be meta when people will understand how to play him
@TyyTheFlyGuy
@TyyTheFlyGuy Ай бұрын
I've been wondering this since watching your OG days Grubby.
@skennel8884
@skennel8884 Ай бұрын
I would love to see more of this for each of the races. Either a unit tier list (or spells), or just an in depth description of each races pay styles/strengths/weaknesses/strats/current and past metas. WC3 is a hard game for me to understand with so much going on.
@gishathosaurus6828
@gishathosaurus6828 15 күн бұрын
Haven't played W3 in like 10 years, but I'm still very familiar with these heroes (not so much their patch notes) and hearing about them coming from a pro like you is always great content
@mariogerasimov8522
@mariogerasimov8522 Ай бұрын
Totally accurate list
@dyingember8661
@dyingember8661 Ай бұрын
Everybody loves tierlist video, I think it's a good idea you do more of them
@ryancparker
@ryancparker Ай бұрын
Happy got Crypt Lord nerfed after Reforged and he never came back 😢 I still play him at 5k because I’m Kinky! Oblivion awaits!
@GrubbyTalks
@GrubbyTalks Ай бұрын
OBLIVION AWAITS!
@emmanuelrenard3749
@emmanuelrenard3749 Ай бұрын
Thanks Grubby. Your people demands a part II with ultimates. Except for a very few, they're so mana expensive that i'd often skip them for basic ability
@123loeser
@123loeser 10 күн бұрын
Maat dit is echt top. Ik speelde het vroeger veel en ik krijg dit opeens aangeraden. Heerlijk
@AceVenturaWhenNatureCalls
@AceVenturaWhenNatureCalls Ай бұрын
Havnt watched yet but over 1.5 hours is excellent analysis lol
@drewskiwest5284
@drewskiwest5284 Ай бұрын
IMO due to Warden's spell kit and design, she should have gotten more Int per upgrade than Agi and Str.
@DivinusAngelus
@DivinusAngelus Ай бұрын
If there would be a tierlist for WC3 tierlists, this tierlist would be a D.
@drewskiwest5284
@drewskiwest5284 Ай бұрын
i also enjoyed the beastmaster/dh aow creep with quilbeast and tinker third with mass master talons vs orc. that strat was BIG for a long, long time knocking out tons of orcs. i think i've only seen 1 or 2 orcs ever beat it in a big tournament. i think i've seen you beat it once back when you were playin in WCG Competitively
@Dreddx9
@Dreddx9 Ай бұрын
"the moment you start to get sucked, even if you run away the suckening continues" -Grubby
@binhminhtran1809
@binhminhtran1809 Ай бұрын
Its not just a tier list, it's a masterclass from a truly master of the game.
@birkrlvag6959
@birkrlvag6959 24 күн бұрын
Love this! even though all my heroes (MK,DH, BM) was A tier list. keep up the great work! even though havnt played for 14 years ish, this game is still close to heart.
@TheRealXartaX
@TheRealXartaX 9 күн бұрын
I used to do DK/Pit/Necro frenzy in 2v2 (one player picking dk, the other pit). Pretty fun cleave rush.
@magnus_norgren
@magnus_norgren Ай бұрын
Damn, I would have needed this 20 years ago.
@eafesaf6934
@eafesaf6934 Ай бұрын
I feel like if the crypt lords aoe effect of his Q hits more units in a bigger cone his use would sky rocket
@alexanderoppelmayer841
@alexanderoppelmayer841 29 күн бұрын
I love this tierlist video grub. I think wc3 biggest issue is the hard accessability. Very complicated game to get into😊
@warwickthekingmaker7281
@warwickthekingmaker7281 Ай бұрын
If human had lich, would paladin be an s tier hero? Paladin to me seems to be death knight but better at least against undead. Holy light has a faster animation and lower mana cost than death coil. Devotion aura seems better than unholy aura. Paladin ult us way better than death knight ult. Divine shield is something people spend a lot of gold to get the item form of while the deathknight pact isn't a very good ability.
@Dhomden
@Dhomden 29 күн бұрын
How is devotion better than unholy in 1v1
@warwickthekingmaker7281
@warwickthekingmaker7281 28 күн бұрын
@@Dhomden tbf I don't know how valuable the movement speed actually is, but the armor from devotion is huge while the healing from unholy is underwhelming. Most undead units already have their own regen mechanics as well that are much faster. Ghoul cannibalise or just lumber harvesting on creep. fiend burrow. Gargoyle stone form. Abom cannibalise. Statue can heal all other units. Statues and meat wagons can be repaired Devotion aura instead increases the effectiveness of all healing effects. Your holy light will undo more attacks than if you didn't have devotion aura since they need more attacks to deal the same amount of damage. in the intense situations where you can't just take some time off to heal your units, the armor will be stacking value a lot faster than the healing. But I guess maybe faster moves speed might just be that good in 1v1. It's pretty useless in the campaign
@user-ld9oe8bq5f
@user-ld9oe8bq5f Ай бұрын
Dreadlord used to be a bit wacky, true, but at the moment he's a staple vs Hu. Wrecks workshops much better than panda, can be coiled. Placing him behind tinker just doesn't feel right. I beieve he's a solid B
@brandonkellner2920
@brandonkellner2920 Ай бұрын
21:37 "It's always been like this in Blizzard games" When Warcraft 3 was released, it wasn't like that, because I remember when they changed it.
@Karjalol
@Karjalol Ай бұрын
Any chance we can have a tier list for items ? The ones from the shop and also the drops from the creeps camps, that would be awesome ! Thanks for the video
@Bigapple819
@Bigapple819 Ай бұрын
No way Bloodmage isn't tier A lol... i think we're about to see a lot more of him. Especially with Banish + Holy light combo to save your units and full heal them.
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