Draenei or High Elf tier list now!

The naga campaign units would be all in S-tier except the poor murloc melee.

YES! More Grubby tier listing! XD

I get still get ptsd from naga royal guards and mass couatl

myrmidon is abomination with swimming and net instead of cloud

YEEEEEES

This.

Ayo this is good.

Ogre mage/troll priest top for me. There's no reason outside of spellbreakers to say no to bloodlust and auto cast abolish magic/heal rules to splash.

I also want it. Though it will be a little weird to make a list since some creep have the same portrait art unless it's reforged. Gonna have to use a pic of their models instead of the protraits.

Poland guys were probablly the ones who made kodo tag custom map in the first place xx

Herbivores eat other animals sometimes, did you fell for the vegan propaganda?

​@@PROVOCATEURSK Forget vegan propaganda, you can't even speak English my man

​@@PROVOCATEURSK I don't get the joke

@@PROVOCATEURSK herbivores may casually eat some meat (and viceversa with carnivores), but swallowing whole orks is unheard of!

​@@isardprat7900and have you seen any orcs in real life? No. Ever wondered why? 😝

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The Warchief we need

Items. Or items per category. Or items per race

@@hommhommhomm Items per race, you mean the ones from ancient of wonders, vault, tomb of relics and Voodoo lounge? I think they might enter in the category of all items. Some of them are quite similar, like staff of sanctuary and staff of preservation except sanctuary used to do healing as well to the target. The orbs are worthy to see which one is better.

I feel like he already mostly covered the auras in his Hero tier list if you have seen that one - Brill is OP to the point that there are entire gameplans that could not function without it, Endurance and Unholy rock, Thorns and Vamp are too situational.

@@AresKusa I saw it, now that I think about it, yeah, you're right. But I thought that there are also some of them which are in the middle I think, like trueshot and devotion. It is also kind of specific, because with night elf trueshot is better, thorns I think it is rarely taken. Even at level 3, though might work with big armies in team play, this might apply for both.

Brilliance, Endurance, and Unholy Tier S, everything but Thorns (D), tier B.

Ok... Whats the joke?

@@Rytxyd Poland. That country is a joke.

Oh someone here doesnt like Poland, guess he is a kodo beast in disguise

@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 That's a bit unfair. They're doing pretty well for a country that was stabbed in the back about 150 times in its history, partitioned or absorbed another dozen times and then kept forcibly under communism. They even tried to break away from communism by forming trade unions. The Kremlin made it so the union leaders all got 5 minute long chest xrays so they got cancer and died very quickly. Add to that the fact that a large share, possibly majority, of the pilots in the battle of Britain were actually Polish expats who escaped when their country fell(when Britain who against their absolute guarantee to protect them abandoned them to their fate,) they deserve at least a little bit of respect. Sincerely, someone who is not Polish and has zero Polish heritage.

@@booradley6832 I know, I'm just making shitty jokes

dang that's cool. What country was that?

I got 2nd in NZ for Pokemon Gold and Silver using a link cable to 6v6 single battle. I had no idea of the meta or anything, I just raised my pokemon with trust and love. My opponent in the finals used Snorlax and Forretress with spikes and just kept switching, he knew what he was doing.

@@Broockle Romania, it was a battle net tournament organized by the community, nothing fancy but damn, so many people played the game around that time, 2009 to be precise, can t imagine thr hype in 2005 when it was was at the peak.

That reminds me that as a kid I also got 3rd in a tournament way back during Reign of Chaos and they were meant to send me some RAM as a prize but never did oh well

I always tried my hand at the weekly Incup. I got to the top 16 once and was sooo excited, then I saw my next opponent is MYM.Lucifer. My friend who hosted the map was so excited the hosted twisted meadows instead of gnoll wood. Lucifer came in and just said "? Wrong map." and left again. When we played, Lucifer randomed and still got his main race UD. I played NE and decided my only way to even remotely have a chance was the element of surprise...so I "surprise" him with chimes, forgetting that back then the normal way to go for UD vs NE was gargs anyway..I felt so embarassed but it was still an awesome experience. The best success for me was stealing one map off of Protois! I lost 1v2 against him.

Same here! Blew me away when I saw pro players like Grubby using almost exclusively only Raiders in their armies and spamming Ensnare.

As I've many times said: a source of maphack, aoe disable, aoe heal. Best caster unit ever.

he's not I'm sorry

Sure, if by fit you mean you're having a conniption.

I mean, the fact that u can dispel doesn't really make it worse theoretically. Worst case scenario, you are forcing your opponent into the distress of needing more dispels and dusts/reveal resources. Even if u can't heal during battle, having out of battle free healing with Healing Wards plus Visions should be good enough.

@@tamaslengyel1497 The main reason why Witch Doctor isn't S-tier in competitive play is due to how its god-tier spells aren't available quickly and require quite a while to actually get. Pretty much the exact same reason for Shaman despite it too also having probably the most god-tier buff spell in the game. Basically, because production centers can't produce units while researching upgrades, competitive players prefer units that are immediately useful without research upgrades, which then become super good when they get enough down time to start doing production structure research. Orc spellcasters are kind of the extreme anathema of this, as they start off barely being able to do anything but get researched into giga-casters...aka you have the buy and spend time building a Spirit Lodge then proceed to buy and research 2 upgrades on it just to make the units it produces finally good. Oh, and said researches also require higher tech tiers in your main command structure so that's extra expensive without producing anything yet. So it takes a LONG time that your opponent is using making units and killing you with resources that they spent on things immediately powerful. So if it takes so many hurdles to get an S-tier unit, then you have to survive long enough to get past all of those hurdles while spending resources as the cost of those hurdles, it becomes questionable whether or not it's worth doing that for said S-tier unit.

Perhaps launch a rocket?

That's weird. I would get a PA system and blast Power of the Horde until the police show up and make me stop.

stop harassing celebrities

Oof. I have bad news for you.

u cant play them, same as creeps

​@@erickh.r.9087Campaign, but the entire tierlist would be based on speculation how would they do against 4 main ones so I don't see much value in it, especially considering the fact that they don't have that many units.

Half the Blood Elf units are already in the game and the other three are reskins of existing Human and Night Elf units. They're just a shittier Human because they lack several units. Naga aren't even playable outside of a handful of campaign levels anyway and one of their units, the Royal Guard, can't even be trained from any building either. Neither faction has a full melee game tech tree, and being campaign units, they aren't effected by melee game balance patches.

I thought Blood Elves were just reskinned humans. And Naga would thematically be cool if they were reskinned NightElves, at least I always thought the Tidal Guardian pool thing looked like moonwells. Would be a fun mechanic if the Naga could only build on water which kinda acted as their creep. And they could spread it and it would give them bonus movement speed.

@@erickh.r.9087 man, it's a joke.

RTS itself is also very hard to play

wc3 is better than chess by most metrics

Make them B or C

By the time we get to something like "attack modifier tier list" or "food provider tier list", he's gonna have a few dozen hours worth of content lol

I mean warlocks would be broken: they are like necromancers that have a stun instead of skeleton. Dragons imo should be the orcs T3, like Wyrms.

I know that multiplayer game players hate "That doesn't work because of the plot", but the orcs that are represented in WC3's multiplayer didn't *have* dragons, in the same way the blackrock orcs didn't have shadow trolls or tauren. I do think they could have had a tier 3 air, though... something like a sky barge being carried by bats or some kind of giant storm elemental thing.

​@@kevingriffith6011 Well during the mission "Blackrock & Roll, too!" you fight against orcs that use both warlocks and red dragons and even have separate buildings to produce them

With reforged they could have added some custom variations of races tbh. Blood Elves/High Elves for Humans, Nerubians for Undead, Different Clans for orcs, Corrupted Elves/Satyrs etc. (in separate gamemode to not mess with proplayers)

@@bartex4098 Again, that's not the same orc faction as the one you're playing as, plot-wise. They're the "Old Horde/Chaos Orcs", a separate faction in the same way the Blood Elves are a separate faction from Humans. Basically... What if you wanted to build Dragons and Warlocks but Thrall said "no".

But I don't understand that joke. Can you explain to me?

Same! We fax sensitive information still!

How are they secure?

It’s a cheesy glass cannon strategy. Meaning that you either are able to mass them and succeed at focusing heroes or they will die like flies. Air vs air battles are also very random games and not very interesting.

Ye I have no doubt that Grubby's points are valid, but it is interesting how all the way up to the pro level we still sometimes see mass wyvs. And not just against UD. I think it is kind of like a 4 pool in Broodwar. Not in that it is a rush, but the type of strategy that isn't supposed to be good, but occasionally you can steal a win. The opponent doesn't react quite right, the unit performs better than it should, and the game snowballs into a win.

That's interseting, who won? Oh that's right HAPPY 4-2 because Wyvs BLOW

@@GrubbyTalks 🤣

Happy won cause he win everything anyway, I really think that adding 2-3 wyvern to an army can be really good