All of the possibilities and we have how many tactical fps games haha

It's true.

Lol

That's the best way I've ever heard it put, the push for realism in games makes every game feel way too similar and results in a loss of identity. I think the reason I like vertigo so much is because it has a setting and scenarios that other games don't. If I can't look at a screenshot of a game and immediately be able to tell it apart from another, it doesn't have a strong identity. Like how call of duty is giving us the same game 2 years in a row with MW2 and 3 and oh god what has gaming become Thank you for watching all the way!

To be honest It’s enjoyable for what it is and Aexlab made a lot of objectively good decisions besides the nft and social vr stuff, the market is simply unforgiving

I appreciate it! I hope to keep increasing the level of professionalism and continue growing the channel!

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING! As much as I'd love to hop on a bandwagon and make fun of casual gamers, they are the ones that keep the industry afloat in terms of finances. The reason why we keep getting battle passes and that sort of scummery is because it sells. Hopefully VR can find it's footing by offering more casual experiences or by just adding in the bare minimum seated VR experience with a regular controller or mouse and keyboard, it would at least give people more of a reason to try VR and peak their interest.

The love with VRchat is u can enter via desktop, and as he shows in statistics, ppl overlook "cross VR/noVR pc games" I have so many friends that started on dekstop and now full on FBT xD So Vrcht is a gateway. Myself went in on dekstop while my pico 4 was on its way in the mail. Easier and cheaper FBT is wahts needed and the masses will come ^^

Also, I kinda get the idea to write this opinion from videogamedunkey's "difficulty in videogames". It's funny how the VR Game industry ends up getting too obsessed with the term "Immersion" much like how the flatscreen games get too obsessed with "graphics" instead of gameplay. An example of a well-balanced game with simple controls, and yet deep and complex gameplay underneath it that's both satisfying and easy to learn is Superhot VR. And guess how they do that? Superhot VR *STARTS* as a flatscreen game. It's a 2016 game and yet it's one of the most well made VR Games ever and still today my go-to when introducing VR to people. I think you get my point, sorry for the long rant.

Super hot has such a special place in my heart. It was one of the only games that would run on my first computer without being unplayable. I still play super hot vr and the newest one on steam, way way too much fun. I think there is a market for super realistic vr games, I just don’t think the market is big enough to be sustainable long term. Besides all of the NFT stuff, Vail did a lot of things objectively right, but the market is unforgiving. There really are a lot of lessons to be learned from the past decades of flatscreen development. I think even just a seated vr mode for a lot of games would be a huge leap in adoption and support. I always always appreciate people leaving their thoughts like this! Gimme more!

@@BonelessVR "a township tale" has a seated accessibility option which gets called out early and often in both the tutorial, tool tips, and settings, so as to ensure playability for a wider range of plebs, however it also sort of assumes a multiplayer approach to the game, and feels as if single player gameplay was a rushed adaptation at the last second (single player isn't bad, it just doesn't hit it's full potential without a group of idiots to mess around with).

I thinks you're right about the fact that vr games need to let go of immersion a bit, cause the things that could make vr unique is not going for immersion and remaking reality but giving unique perspective and experience from what possible in reality, like for me one of my favorite moment in vr was trying lone echo and echo vr for the first time and moving in zero-g, like moving like that give a unique feeling i would hardly found a equivalent in flat-screen and yet it wasn't trying to emulate reality but moving that way felt special and more of a reason to use vr than so many game where most of the action where trying to be a carbon copy of real life equivalent, sure it wasn't letting immersion totaly out of it but it wasn't the principal thing they were going for, giving a unique experience was the priority

@@nemesis4081 Shoot I still mess around in google earth VR. I miss a lot of the weird stuff, either it isn't being made anymore or I'm woefully unaware of it.

Working on it! KZfaq's algorithm is starting to like me a little more haha, Thrill and Phia actually watch! You might find them in the comments section from time to time! Going to do my best to keep the good stuff coming, got a really wild headset comparison on the way with everything from a quest 2 to a Varjo Aero discussing where VR hardware is at right now. The Aero just got delivered a couple days ago, thing is absolutely insane haha

Hi gravel

It would be sweet to put together a game! Have always thought about it, but to be honest I would probably hire somebody to make a VRChat world so that people can use their avatars and the hardware that they already have! I'm really committed to making stuff that I'm proud of putting out there and always looking for ways to improve, comments like yours make it all worth it :)

God dang I love battlebit! Always going to keep making videos! Got some really neat stuff in the works for the channel but In preparation for it I'm working with the local universities VR lab, got a couple of neat headsets to talk about, might be a bit before the next video but quality will always take precedent over quantity, thank you for watching homie!

I really appreciate the support amigo! Got more stuff coming, hope to keep pushing myself and bringing a substantial quality jump in each video. Comments like yours are exactly what I aim for

Almost made me tear up, legit. It's exactly what I aim for. It's weird how many people and creators in the VR space gaslight each other into a false narrative of a big triumphant return to the index release days rather than looking at it from an outsiders perspective and seeing the reality of it all. The numbers are there, it's up to hardware and software devs to be aware and make the changes, otherwise VRChat, rec room, and roblox are going to be carrying VR and eventually it'll gain even more of a stigma for being childs play haha To be clear I don't have a problem with kids in VR, they are hilarious, I just think it's irresponsible of parents. Imagine those og MW2 lobbies but face to face, that's what parents are subjecting their kids to when they let them play VRChat You know what VR could really use right now? Why not another realistic tactical fps surely that'll help I kinda ranted and joked for a bit but really I appreciate your comment, showing a realistic perspective on VR and pointing out it's legitimate flaws is really important to me, otherwise people are going to buy into it with unrealistic expectations and be very disappointed

I really appreciate it! You're going so far as to watch my videos twice ahah, I'm glad they are something you choose to watch at work, makes me feel comfortable haha

You are doing great! I am glad I found your videos and you deserve so many more views and subs! @@BonelessVR

Always doing my best! I work very hard to improve and I'm happy that you enjoy where we are at right now!

Remember when the wii came out and everyone realized you could play the games sitting down so we all did that instead? Motion controls are just annoying haha, let me chill and relax, that’s why most of us play games

AYE thank you for watching! The algorithm is slowly getting more comfortable with me, super excited to see where it’ll go and I thank you for joining me!

@@BonelessVR YOU'VE GOT THIS! 😎

Going to give them a shot! Love Risk of Rain and Valheim is just plain fun!

I've had a lot of people disagree with me on the seated VR experience but I think there's a ton of value in it and can act as more of a bridge to full vr use. There's a lot of things I miss about the early days but one of the biggest things is games just games having VR support, even if it's barebones 6 dof. Side note I can't identify AK variants worth a damn haha, all I know is how to use them to take down corporate America

Aye thank you for watching the video and enjoying it enough to sub!

Going through Half Life 2 VR right now! My point with this video is that VR needs a more casual player base before we can focus so hard on the competitive side, can't build a pyramid upside down you know :) I really appreciate you leaving a comment talking about your feelings on it, it helps me understand the community better so I can voice all of our concerns rather than just my own!

KZfaq is slowly getting comfortable with me, I’ll always do my best to improve quality! I like making things that I can be proud of, thank you for the support. Comments like yours help me keep going! In a healthy way ofc I make this stuff because I love it haha

Thanks for the reply! Just don't stress yourself out feeling like you have to reply to everybody. Keep up the great work

Always gonna keep it real, thank you for watching homie

IT'S YOU! Welcome to the discord and I really appreciate you watching all the way! I understand some peoples gripes with my take, but I really think in order for VR to survive the casual community needs to come first, can't have the hardcore realism experiences without an audience

@@BonelessVR I can highly agree with that

I've got you for sure! Got some pretty neat stuff on the way including a Varjo Aero and an entire range of headsets to talk about, really want to discuss where VR hardware is at, I've talked a lot about software so far, now it's time to talk about hardware :) Thank you for watching!

Ahah thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed!

Aye thank you for watching! I try my best not to be a debbie downer and offer possible solutions to things, I'm really glad that you enjoyed the video and I plan to keep it coming!

If any game should have VR mode it should be Forza lmao. Microsoft is just too far into hololens to try and invest in anything consumer, it sucks

That was fun to make haha, I had to try it so many times because I kept catching myself as I was about to fall on my bed. Thank you for watching all the way and enjoying!

Honestly keep at it, in my view, you're as good as if not better than some of the big names. @@BonelessVR

Expect more soon! Got some really fun stuff in the works, going to keep it rolling!

AYEEEE THANK YOU FOR WATCHING!

Thank you for watching amigo!

Thank you for watching! Oh lord does VR have some software hiccups to fix before it really goes mainstream. My Pro 2 has given my constant issues, one of them was a result of rgb software on my pc lmao. I don't think it's okay to expect the average consumer to be able to hunt down and fix these problems when the price of PCVR is so high already

'Most games are made to act like your second job" HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH AAA GAMING. They literally expect us to pay to grind lmao, and the worst part is that people bite! And that's one of the most human truths about VR, we seek comfort, so if something is uncomfortable or requires a lot of energy to get into, we are less likely to do it. Excited to see if Bigscreen's Beyond changes that narrative at all. The lighter and more reliable headsets become, the better in my eyes!

I appreciate it haha, I'll keep the memes coming, maybe in the next I'll just have subway surfers and bootleg flappy bird up the whole time

@@BonelessVR your video style is pretty on point, love it, i do have a question tho, what is your current VR setup?

Nice

Thank you so much!

Ahah thank you for watching! Makes me happy

Aye thank you for watching!

AYE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING!

Thank you for watching, made me laugh haha

We are getting there, I want to say slowly but surely, but we are picking up pace pretty quickly. Thank you for the support!

That's exactly what I'm aiming for! Thank you for watching all the way! I hope to keep it coming

We are cooking! Next video is specific to the Varjo Aero and talking about it's development that leads to issues for consumers. Imma keep it coming!

CHEESE THANK YOU FOR WATCHING!

AYO

Hard to argue with anime girl aesthetics haha, I always think to myself if someone is bothered by my character being a female maybe I don't want them here in the first place. I'll keep pushing the quality up as much as possible, it's really a joy to know that people enjoy the videos this much!

WHADDUP TRIPP! Define other stuff for me, sounds a bit sus especially after you just got full body ;)

Always! Thank you for the support! Getting some mildly heated comments on the newest vid mostly from people who have stockholm syndrome. Thank you for brightening my day

It’s a shame that Meta hides usage statistics. The only thing I have to go off of from them is that even they aren’t confident in their retention of users and that there’s a rather large but undefined portion of Quest 2’s out there that are collecting dust. Average vr session times are down to 20 minutes, 30% of people who own headsets haven’t bought a game for it in the past 2 years, numbers just aren’t looking good across the board. I think it’s time for a switch up. Also HL2 VR is nuts and I can’t wait to play more of it! I appreciate you watching and leaving your thoughts!

​@@BonelessVR 20 min is exactly how long you can bare Quest 2 abomination on a face. :D So maybe we should have a consumer VR headset before even trying to sell any games. Sony, Valve and everyone else can't even sell headsets, in the first place. And Quest 2 is like a disposable with 99% current disposable VR demos for it. So we need first 'VR platform' before even counting games for it. And many companies haven't even released their 1st gen headsets yet.

AYO thank you for watching!

Thank you so much for watching! You have a great day as well amigo!

AYE why is that emoji so clean? Thank you for watching!

My dang retention rate lmao It’s actually not that bad, but lowering it would be pretty funny Thank you for watching all the way!

AYE thank you for watching! There's just so many oversights with software. I can't blame dev's entirely though, players do some weird stuff and VR makes them have all these new behaviors that devs have to learn how to design around. Always going to keep it real here haha

Thank you for watching homie!

AYE thank you homie!

merci mon cher ami

Love it ahah

Thank you for watching and especially for the thoughtful comment! I really wish that I could’ve used the Quests player counts, but the situation is so dire on PCVR, what I would consider the most dedicated audience, that I have to assume it isn’t much better on the quest side of things. Certainly better, but 7 people on zenith on pc likely doesn’t mean 700 on standalone. There was a previous comment that explained it really well: ‘realism just makes games blend into each other in my head’ I was talking to a friend last night about it all and honestly with the amount of features that VRChat makes accessible to devs, it made us wonder why they don’t hire devs to create full fledged games in VRChat that would be accessible through VRChat plus. The games would be hosted on special instances optimized for low latency, they could be played with all of your friends who already use vrchat and have VRC plus, you can use the avatars that you already love. I really dislike subscription services but honestly that would make Vrc plus worth it for me, at least much better value than a profile pic, emojis, and groups. It sounds like a pipe dream but the more you think about it the more it makes sense. It could as simple as an idle game in your menu all the way to a Vrchat exclusive MMO. There’s already desktop support as well, and of course the massive install base. What would you think about that as a player and what issues am I missing with that proposition? About Vr being mainstream, it sucks that it’s best opportunity so far to become mainstream was wrapped in Zuckerberg talking about living and working in VR, I feel like it rubbed the public the wrong way, the NFT craze and all of its scams and controversies were the cherry on top. It’s awesome that the price has dropped so steeply and I really hope the Quest 3 ushers in VRs next adoption phase. I think it would be pretty cool to be hanging with friends, all agree to go do some quests together or do some combat missions, earn some badges to show on our accounts, then go back to chilling all in the same play session with the only interruption being a couple of load screens. I know things like this already exist on a smaller scale in VRchat, but it would be awesome to see it adopted in a more official capacity and utilizing all of the features we already have but are underutilized like profile badges.

@@BonelessVR The biggest reason I assume VRC doesn't hire devs to make games is the cost, plus the lackluster return on investment. If it were to succeed, what would VRC get, more VRC+ subscriptions from people who didn't already have them? When there are already devs who will make games for free (or be funded through their own Patreons) I doubt VRC would want to spend money on developing flagship games for the platform as opposed to developing more features for it or maintaining it. Two large barriers to bigger games being developed on VRC are lack of world persistence (essentially save data, a feature that was promised in April 2021) and transferring that data to other worlds (since each world can only consist of a single Unity scene). Even with all you can do in VRChat worlds, there are still plenty of limits compared to a standalone game which gives a dev more freedom, less headache and typically more money/better ROI. That and because VRC isn't really trying to make an effort to promote the game to people who haven't already tried it. It has spread mostly by word of mouth since its inception. Even if they did more outreach in that way it would surprise me if they actually funded projects like that. I mean, they've gotten away with all this free labor up to this point. They've even encouraged it with their world jams, some of which were game-themed. Why pay for what you can get for free? TL;DR VRC corporate is weird and idk if they even have a vision. The technology is potentially revolutionary, but the current implementation is cringe.

@@iconoclass Love it. You make some really really good points about the backend that didn't cross my mind. I love the TLDR especially haha, it really does seem like they lack direction. I am very curious what this will all look like in a few years, given that the new wave of headsets including valves own are looking to be substantial upgrades over current hardware. I doubt anything will catch traction quite like the Quest 2 did unless Valve launches another killer title in conjunction with their new hardware.

@@BonelessVR I figure there will probably have to be some unpredictable concurrence of events that simultaneously drive not only VR adoption but also retention; it's not going to come from solely from new headset launches. VR enthusiasts have been complaining about content droughts for years but as you point out (2:04) there are plenty of reasons why devs don't want to pour significant resources into VR. That combined with Unity's pricing debacle spells more doom for VR content short term. Long term one could be optimistic that better VR support will come to other engines but only time will tell.

One thing that has always been frustrating is going to aim a long gun and the controller nearest your headset starts to jitter. It’s always happened to me in games and I had to completely change how I aimed guns in order to be accurate haha Thank you for watching all the way!!

I do like cheese but my stomach doesn't, GOBBLESS THANK YOU FOR WATCHING!

I've actually got a video on mutes in the works! Really want to make sure it's quality though, I think I've gone through 3 or 4 different rewrites on the script and editing notes. That'll be out eventually, promise!

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Some brand new vr headsets can be found for 200 or less, not even mentioning the used market. Really good deal, I think money is not the issue when people pay 1500 or 2000+ for a new pc

@@B4nan0n "without mentioning used market", for 200 u would've only been able to get a meta quest 2 on the meta website(they are now sold out), which is overall not a good headset and isn't really worth getting even for 200. And now, how does a pc compare to a vr headset? U do realise that a computer is a multifunctional tool, while a vr headset, especially a cheaper one, is mostly just for entertainment. And if u want to play pcvr (ON STATS OF WHICH THIS VIDEO IS BASED ON), you need to ALREADY OWN somewhat of A powerful PC.

Ahah I’m going to keep that footage forever

AYE THANK YOU SO MUCH!

AYE thank you for watching!

LESSGO! Thank you for watching!