The anime artstyle and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

I wonder where you would put Hotdogs, Horseshoes & Handgrenades on the gun handling list Sure you have to be pretty precise with reloading, it wants to be more realistic, but i feel like it feels better and easier to reload than in Boneworks, because the gun doesnt wobble around when you hold it with one hand and isnt floaty at all. Nice video btw :D

Holy Moly! This is a very high quality vid. I really like your editing and humor. You earned a sub my dude.

I dig this perspective. It's important for VR games to find a balance of fun and realism. I'm still a sucker for physics based weapons, but there's room for automating some of the more tedious actions. Vertigo 2 does this phenomenally imo. Load shells individually into your shotgun? No. Charge it with a single power cell that auto ejects itself after use? Yes.

This is a great vid and I gotta be honest flat screen games as I’m older just makes me feel lazy. Which I know is what keeps people away from it cause why would you wanna move around Vr at least has a mental reward to me for performing the action IRL. With other hobbies, video games aren’t worth countless hours especially if I’m gonna feel like crap for sitting all day

I think it's pretty telling that Resident Evil 4 VR was such a huge hit. It was made as a flatscreen game first with all the considerations that go into that, THEN many years later, the VR version was made with some very reasonable level of thought about how to make it work with the current hardware (with maybe the exception of grenades :P ) giving us a VR game with a whole bunch of interaction improvements over its old version but with a chunky level of content you don't see in VR enough. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it made me only really want to experience any further RE games in VR rather than flatscreen.

More analysis like this please! The more I play VR games, the more confused I get and start to dislike it as a concept when it comes to the visual and physical disconnect. Guns not clipping through walls is a good example. Same with any sword-like game where a sword stops when it collides with something physical. There's nothing outside VR preventing this movement, so it is jarring when it happens in VR. Suddenly my brain is trying to make my arm match where it is in VR, and my eyes are watching my virtual arm flail about. I'm convinced this is why Beat Saber works so well. The sabers cut through anything and are never stopped, always matching where your arms and hands intend them to be.

When it comes to vr, I really only play racing games, when you're sitting at a wheel in a simulator, it's really the most immersive VR could ever be, and it's amazing driving in vr

I only ever play vrchat in vr anymore

Realism has no place in video games. Pistol Whip is the best VR game and it has absolutely none of it.

I feel like the realism won’t be enough till the systems let’s you use your whole body to control the game like in some anime like sao and overlord.

I owned the Oculus, HTC vive, Windows MIxed Reality, and the Index. All have irritations and hassles. Ended up ridding all of it. Cool at first but wore off due to hassles and irritations. Tracking problems, constantly calibrating, taking the headset on and off to peak, constantly adjusting headset, managing cables. Spent more time with the latter than playing. To enjoy VR. You need to have a room and system designated. Glare is massive problem for tracking. Tempted to try again but the hassles prevent me. I do thing everyone should try Alyx, Walking Dead, and Bone works.

so funny thing, i made the avatar at 0:06, honestly never thought i would see anyone other than me or my friends wearing it, but cool story lol.

Man that was like the best compliment I've ever gotten. Thank you

Love this video. What are some of your favorite / upcoming hopeful games?

I think the Nintendo Wii and PS3 move did it's best for motion control games. Might sound a bit odd, but it is kind of true, because some Wii games are simple and fun, pls it doesn't force you to grab an individual object to reload. (Except for Medal Of Honor: Heroes 2). There's nothing wrong with having everything as an interactable physics object, but it will get very tedious everytime if it's done so often. Plus, might be a personal preference, not all of us are used to wearing a VR headset, some people can get motion sick when wearing it. :)

I dont know about boneworks but in bone lab yes you need precision but not pin point and i just tested it out and i can do 17 out of 20 reloads quickly with my eyes closed

Thank you for the video. I just got my first vr headset after years of kind of waiting and seeing and as a sort of new person to this scene all I've seen are some high quality proof of concept games. And to me that seems to be the ongoing theme with most vr titles across different platforms and maybe the industry as whole. Maybe once we have better body tracking tech and you can walk without feeling sick or disoriented things will get better but until then it seems like one giant proof of concept.

I just thinj they can emulate random instruments in vr, like violin or air guitar, it would be fun

Nice video dude! Although I don't really agree with you I liked to see your perspective on VR games!

The only games that are in VR are indie, desktop port and Alyx, thats why most VR are so janky, AAA are just not ready to spend money on a new technology, also VR is a very new technology so nobody knows what is acctually the best way to do mechanics there and there is much fewer ppl on VR so we just have to wait around 10 years until the industry finds its way

Good video, keep going you're going to make it!

I CANT WAIT

physics in vr seems like something that those who dont like it hate it and those who do like it love it. For example Bonelab the physics in bonelab can lead to stuff like clipping through doors and other physics bugs that can make it very hard to play the game for some people but on the other hand for those who can and learn to avoid issues like that the physics become extremely fun to play with. For example look at a gun in most vr games guns serve a singular purpose to shoot enemies but in a physics based game you could grab the gun by the muzzle and use it like a sword or reach ammo boxes that you could not reach without it and being able to do stuff like that makes it so much fun and there is much more you can do with physics as well. A big factor for physics enjoyment is likely also being able to look past traditional uses for items in games as in bonelab if you only ever uses things like you would in any other game then its just like the other games but your gun bumps into objects

I personally think that FPS games are probably harder to make than medieval sword play style games are in VR

Yeah another big issue with a lot of VR games that I feel like Alyx did a great job in at least attempting to fix, is accessibility a lot of VR games, really feel like they design them for your standard, teen/young adult, fully able-bodied male demographic and just call it a day, they don't really make seated modes work in any way beyond height calibration, there's mo change in how UI is laid out to account for a smaller vertical space for which to put game elements like ammo pouches or secondary weapons, and good gods if I had a dollar for ever game where they just complete forgot people exist who have breasts, I would have a dollar for every game in my steam library that isn't blade and sorcery, half life alyx, beat saber, smash drums or pistol whip which is a lot basically there is no target demographic, because that would imply the existence, of a market they could potential reach, but aren't focusing as hard on. It's almost like they don't want anyone but their target demographic playing their games sometimes I get that these are mostly indie studios and they don't have as much funding, but they're the ones who decided to make a VR game, and if they can't make design that is more inviting to more players, VR really won't last

This is a great video! However, I see a lot of people in the comments saying this proves doubts they had about vr. I want to state that while everything that they said in this video is mostly true in my opinion, the state virtual reality is in is still very impressive, entertaining, and can very well be a quality experience. There are a lot of small time dev made games that are pretty bad and even games in the oculus store that are just not worth buying or even playing if it's free. But there are dozens of top notch vr games that totally make putting on the headset worth it. Great vid by the way! Definitely earned a sub :3

Personally I think vr overuse leads vr feeling boring and bad but there are definitely some other good points of vr games not being good.

My favorite VR games are ones that fully take advantage of VR controls, like Windlands and To The Top. Windlands II is one of the most gorgeous VR games ever, with an incredible use of scale, color, and lighting. It often leaves me feeling small and humbled. I can't help but look around in awe at some of the levels. The story really falls flat, though. Characters kind of stand there and talk to you awkwardly... Most VR games have this problem, like The Gallery, which has a beautiful and immersive world, but characters only talking to you over radios or from far-away platforms. It's like being in a play rather than taking part in a story. What VR really needs is better character interactions. Half Life Alyx is the best in this regard, because the characters are in the world, and you can walk around them and interact with them. Even VR Kanojo doesn't have that level of interactivity, and it's a one-on-one kind of thing..yeah, it's not really a "game," but still. Story-driven VR games need to work hard to make THE PLAYER part of the story. Otherwise, players will end up goofing around and clipping items through the characters to comedic results.

I think I’ve said this here before, but an issue with VR that this video made me think of is that so many places concerning VR like KZfaqrs focusing on it or r/virtualreality (granted, of course something infuriating comes from Reddit) feel like they focus on literally ANYTHING other then the gameplay, and I feel like that’s such a massive thing holding VR back. To use sword fighting as an example, sure B&S has more accurate physics then something like Broken Edge, but in the former you can literally win every fight by ether grabbing enemies or holding your arm out all the time. This focus on technical aspect with especially the most high end VR games makes them feel way too easy. I should probably note that the Quest isn’t perfect ether, but least a lot of Quest games like Runner can have a decent challenge. I should probably mention that I find completely 2D games like classic/actual rougelikes (Unreal World, Tales Of Maj’eyal) or Faith:The Unholy Trinity more immersive for some reason, so that most DEFIANTLY effects my opionion.

Another boneless vid? Pog?

HUGE thanks for your video! Confirmed doubts about VR, apple is releasing a new vision pro, and been wondering if there are already decent supported vr games out there, apparently we're stuck with 5 years old hardware, guess going dev mode might not be the best idea after all

Ok so you raise some good points. Many VR games are too shallow, but I think you are way off the mark on physicality. If I just wanted to press a button instead of moving to do it then why am I playing VR in the first place? The only exceptions are games like VTOL where you pilot aircraft and even there the coolest part is pressing the buttons physically. Ghosts of tabor work because where in flat screen you collect items that you see in a menu, here you see them and they feel like "your stuff". I agree that fun is the most important aspect, but I had way more fun with Boneworks rather than Alyx when I first got into VR because it went that extra mile to make it realistic and open in world design, while in Alyx I felt too handheld and claustrophobic with the small environments.

8:23 what game is this?

gorilla tag, questcraft and rec room: *_haha_*

Yep. Getting into VR development myself I’m struck by how much simpler VR games need to be made in order to be fun. Realism cannot be the goal

I feel personally attacked by 0:36 lmao

if anyone is looking for the game he is describing its a township tale free for pcvr $10 on quest

Considering how expensive and time consuming game dev is, I am constantly flabbergasted how little thought goes into designing a good working interaction framework for a game and what makes a VR game fun. On the other hand its no surprise, when Unity with their own XR interaction toolkit still try to push non-physics based systems in 2024, making it feel like something from the VERY early days of VR (which is nearly a decade). HL:A or Boneworks level physic based interactions should be the standard now and work out of the box with modern gaming engines and not something you need to make yourself. The Unity XR toolkit cant even do hand posing or animation on its own...

Into the radius and Ghosts of Tarbor are good examples of good execution, there are a lot of games which are very good, even better than non vr games but nobody knows or has taste for them

In my opinion VR reloading is the best as you have many different ways of reloading. Whereas flatscreen games has the same animation all the time and can get a bit boring

I am an avid gamer but when I play games in VR, I get horrible motion sickness after 3 minutes, no matter what I do. So, for me it is PC gaming which by the way has better graphics and I can sit in my chair without crawling through my living room

The only vr game i've played that feels finished is skyrim vr

I must say, the only good VR games are simulators where you are sitting in the real life task. The most fun gaming i have had is weaving through tokyo traffic in assetto corsa SRP

I don't entirely disagree but whenever I want to play VR (maybe a couple days every few months) I ALWAYS play boneworks/lab but haven't replayed Alyx since launch.

ITR i feel does combat the best with realism while fun. (I have only played PC VR so i can't give comments on quest)

The best VR experience I can imagine is playing Apex Legends on VR, but instead of using VR controls just play with my mause and keyboard as I always do. I mean, that game is the definition of inmersión and is not even VR. And I find that pretty interesting because similar to sim games, i find that the key is not to create a new way to play, just improve what is already good. I still find VRChat pretty interesting with its body tracking and unique social features but think of it as an exception not the rule.

So I understand this video is like 7 months old... and you've also already been called out for it. but I'm still gonna throw shade at you for not including H3VR in your shooter list. :P Although I do think that boneworks makes a better tool for the conversation you had. if only for the way it shows the perils in "immersion" love the content and glad you're still making stuff

Play Vertigo 2 to change your mind

We were here!

2:27 me at a noob still on VRC (~1Khrs) to escape this shit lol. fire takes, especially the triple A take on games coming out the last few years.. its crappy but whatever & nice updated avi too ^^

8:07 I don’t know where you heard that SailVR was only made by one person, but I personally know 4 of the people who have worked on it. I believe at least 20 people have had their hands in its development. There was an art team who worked on it very early on and then only programmers for several years after that. The “one person” I’m guessing you’re referring to is the owner who finds investors and sells people on the product but he doesn’t make it. As a dev myself I’m quite sick of people assuming so many games were created by one genius who could do everything at high quality in a short period of time. Virtually no games are like this. But the world’s obsession with these “Tony Stark” stories is really discouraging to developers when they realize making a game all by yourself is extremely costly and challenging and not feasible for almost anyone.

Slavoj Zizek at the beginning

I know this is sus and weird, but even though I hate anime, I think I may have fallen in love with your avatar lol

How is boneworks reloading so hard lol? Into the radius is the next game that I like how it handled guns. Isn't the whole point of VR to interact with the world using tracking, not buttons?

Having it being reloaded for you in vr is so lame it’s not even funny physically reloading weapons and interacting with them is awesome(other than that very good video, I just don’t really agree with you, and ofc there is flaws with physics based guns and stuff but I’d rather than then press a button to reload because it kind of destroys the point of vr)

It might just be me and my peanut brain, but I’m lucky enough to enjoy all the clunkiness you didn’t like about boneworks. The novelty of “woooaaaahhh, I’m IN the game” hasn’t worn off for me yet and after 2 years, I’m not too sure it will. Fantastic video nonetheless!

Okay another gripe wit one of your videos, u only covered fps, what abt red matter, the room vr, moss, lone echo, beatsaber, and sooo many more.

underated

9:50 I’ll try my best >:3

4:57

Laughs in H3VR. Great video!

great editing , deserves much more recognition

They need to make a new Kinect ! Get kids moving and off phones and tablets!! Vr is so single player and wearing a stupid head set .

Hi my name is josh I want to ask if you maybe want to collab and make a video together let me know 😊

Hello

dw brodie, imma cook

i disagree with a lot in this video... but your take on sail vr was dead on

Hence why I don't plan on VR anytime, the games barely seem interesting compared to once we have on gaming PCs or consoles like elden ring or zelda tears of the kingdom.

Boneworks guns are awsome, my opinon

Yeah you’re pretty right on the head. Why try to perfectly replicate real life when you can go outside? VR hinges on being able to make fantasy feel real, not real life feel real.

Play vertigo 2 and vertigo remastered, (play remastered first) literally is good even for your picky tastes, sorry did I say JUST GOOD? I mean, I think that vertigo 2 may be better than half-L alyx, in fact ALOT better than alyx, for me, a vr chad that gets no motion sickness. Also skill issue on the boneWorks/lab on the guns.

Boneworks guns are the best

Did he just say succseser BoneLabs? boneworks is way better

In my opinion vrs are kinda bad because they make viruses on a your phone and the graphics aren’t as good as pcs nice video it’s really good and the editing was smooth🎉🎉 🎉

ngl Im gonna bust when this comes out

correction: overhyped physics tech demos and pointless social sandboxes for furries suck. I don't even need guns in my favorite VR games...

I personally prefer the Boneworks and H3VR mechanics 🤷 IMO Half-Life: Alyx gun mechanics and gameplay are kinda eh. And the fact that it is so clearly designed around teleport locomotion kinda ruins some parts of it for me.

Get a better headset then. Not grandmas Oculus 2

Earned my sub with this one. Never really played vr, and still hoping for a reason to get a vr headset. Pistol whip seems to be great. Rythm shooter.

I'm ur 700th sub

half life alyx got a no vr mod port

Why is there a female cartoon talking with a mans voice to us?

Why is your whole channel revolving around hating vr

Skill issue

vr games suck because vr sucks

this comment is here purely for the algorithm gods

this just reassures me that gorn is still one of the best games ever for vr

So is that a yes

Honestly, your issue with boneworks/bonelabs guns sounds like a skill issue

Why dose bro have a girl avatar💀💀💀💀

Why tf is he an anime bitch🫥

Hey man! I have been watching your vida for awhile and Id love to talk vr with ya or help with some vids! My vrc name is Flightlesss 😅

Uh VR has NEVER been "mainstream" and still isn't because no one wants to strap an awkward helmet onto their head to play games. It will never take off or be anything as long as it's literally a pain to engage with. Mainstream means mainstream. Mainstream gaming is synonymous with mindless time killer gaming. Most people don't actually like art. They don't watch movies, listen to music, or play video games because they're interested in the art forms. It's largely just brainless cows consuming arbitrary stuff to kill time until they go horizontal. You don't seem to get that.